Sick fish: advice?

[Joan]

We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.

Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
little thin white stuff.

She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
abnormal on the rest of her body.

The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
nitrite, and nitrate.

We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.

Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
low 60's).

It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
than you guys know--maybe less.

Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Joan

P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
figure out how to help me help her.

[Koi-Lo]

*NOTE: There are two Koi-Lo's on this NG*

"Joan" > wrote in message
...
> We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
> looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>
> Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
> She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
> swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
> where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
> sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
> I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
> little thin white stuff.
>
> She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
> algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
> abnormal on the rest of her body.
>
> The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
> over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
> nitrite, and nitrate.
>
> We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
> bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
> to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>
> Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
> Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
> low 60's).
>
> It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
> till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
> than you guys know--maybe less.
>
> Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
=======================
I'm no fish Dr but this sounds like ulcer-disease with a more generalized
internal (stringy poop) bacterial infection. I may be wrong. Check out
www.koivet.com or http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/koi/koitreatments.htm

You can probably find the answers you're looking for at one or the other of
these places.
--
Koi-Lo....
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[~ janj]

On Sat, 13 May 2006 22:03:37 -0700, Joan > wrote:

>We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>
>Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>little thin white stuff.
>
>She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>abnormal on the rest of her body.
>
>The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>nitrite, and nitrate.
>
>We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>
>Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>low 60's).
>
>It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>than you guys know--maybe less.
>
>Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joan
>
>P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
>figure out how to help me help her.
>
>
send me pix. jjspond06 at jjspond.us ~ jan

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call Jo Ann Burke 251-649-4790. Ingrid

Joan > wrote:

>We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>
>Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>little thin white stuff.
>
>She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>abnormal on the rest of her body.
>
>The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>nitrite, and nitrate.
>
>We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>
>Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>low 60's).
>
>It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>than you guys know--maybe less.
>
>Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joan
>
>P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
>figure out how to help me help her.
>
>



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[HammerShark]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> *NOTE: There are two Koi-Lo's on this NG*
>
> "Joan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>> looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>>
>> Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>> She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>> swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>> where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>> sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>> I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>> little thin white stuff.
>>
>> She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>> algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>> abnormal on the rest of her body.
>>
>> The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>> over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>> nitrite, and nitrate.
>>
>> We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>> bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>> to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>>
>> Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>> Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>> low 60's).
>>
>> It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>> till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>> than you guys know--maybe less.
>>
>> Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
> =======================
> I'm no fish Dr.

Your not. and there is no such thing.

>but this sounds like ulcer-disease with a more
> generalized internal (stringy poop) bacterial infection. I may be
> wrong.

you are... And you think you can post here after all the lies and dmaged
you have done?


> Check out www.koivet.com or
> http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/koi/koitreatments.htm
>
> You can probably find the answers you're looking for at one or the other
> of these places.

Yeah because this NG has gone to hell that to Carol.

[Koi-Lo]

Keep the damned pics, and chuck that carp on the compost pile. Too
cheap to fool with, just go buy another one.........and next tiime
knock before you come in this forum. Someone like Carol could have
been nekid and performing one of her sex acts for the others.



On Sat, 13 May 2006 22:03:37 -0700, Joan > wrote:
>><>We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>><>looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>><>
>><>Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>><>She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>><>swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>><>where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>><>sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>><>I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>><>little thin white stuff.
>><>
>><>She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>><>algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>><>abnormal on the rest of her body.
>><>
>><>The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>><>over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>><>nitrite, and nitrate.
>><>
>><>We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>><>bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>><>to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>><>
>><>Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>><>Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>><>low 60's).
>><>
>><>It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>><>till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>><>than you guys know--maybe less.
>><>
>><>Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
>><>
>><>Thanks.
>><>
>><>Joan
>><>
>><>P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
>><>figure out how to help me help her.
>><>
>><>


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[Joan]

Thank you. She won't mind?

Here is the url where I've posted pictures, in case anybody on the
newsgroup might be able to tell what's wrong and what to do from the
pix.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=stquavj.9tipt5hb&x=0&y=2fxtv0

Again, thanks.

Joan

>call Jo Ann Burke 251-649-4790. Ingrid
>
>Joan > wrote:
>
>>We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>>looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>>
>>Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>>She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>>swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>>where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>>sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>>I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>>little thin white stuff.
>>
>>She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>>algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>>abnormal on the rest of her body.
>>
>>The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>>over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>>nitrite, and nitrate.
>>
>>We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>>bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>>to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>>
>>Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>>Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>>low 60's).
>>
>>It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>>till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>>than you guys know--maybe less.
>>
>>Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Joan
>>
>>P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
>>figure out how to help me help her.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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[Koi-Lo]

Ahhhhhhh, cool yet more email addresses.........Wonderfull thing you
created there Gill and Mister wanna be Gardener...



Now joan take those pics and shove em, no one here is interested in
those pics, were not into fish here any more. Its all about CArol, and
just CArol Gulley, no fish no pond crap. Got that!



On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:00:12 -0700, Joan > wrote:
>><>
>><>Thank you. She won't mind?
>><>
>><>Here is the url where I've posted pictures, in case anybody on the
>><>newsgroup might be able to tell what's wrong and what to do from the
>><>pix.
>><>
>><>http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=stquavj.9tipt5hb&x=0&y=2fxtv0
>><>
>><>Again, thanks.
>><>
>><>Joan
>><>
>><>>call Jo Ann Burke 251-649-4790. Ingrid
>><>>
>><>>Joan > wrote:
>><>>
>><>>>We noticed today that one of our goldfish in our outdoor pond is
>><>>>looking lethargic and not schooling with the other fish.
>><>>>
>><>>>Her abdomen looks enlarged but there is no "pineconing" of the fins.
>><>>>She is hanging in the water with her head pointed partly downward, and
>><>>>swimming weakly. There is a red round spot about 1/4 inch in diameter
>><>>>where I think her anal port ought to be--underneath her tail fin and
>><>>>sort of in front of the small fin below her tail fin. I've sees what
>><>>>I think is stringy looking poop coming out from there and also a
>><>>>little thin white stuff.
>><>>>
>><>>>She's not interested in eating and hangs around in clumps of string
>><>>>algae. Her gills look red, and I don't see anything that looks
>><>>>abnormal on the rest of her body.
>><>>>
>><>>>The other fish look fine, and I tested the water. The pH is slightly
>><>>>over 8.0 and the carbonate hardness is good, negative for ammonia,
>><>>>nitrite, and nitrate.
>><>>>
>><>>>We isolated her in a 30 gallon tank with an air pump and are gradually
>><>>>bringing up the salinity to around 0.2 ppm for tonight, then perhaps
>><>>>to 0.3 ppm tomorrow.
>><>>>
>><>>>Could she be egg bound? Is this dropsy? Columnaris? Something else?
>><>>>Shall I gradually bring up the temp of her water? (It's been in the
>><>>>low 60's).
>><>>>
>><>>>It's Saturday night and I won't be able to get in touch with a vet
>><>>>till Monday, and even then I'm not sure he's going to know any more
>><>>>than you guys know--maybe less.
>><>>>
>><>>>Any first aid advice you all can give me would be much appreciated.
>><>>>
>><>>>Thanks.
>><>>>
>><>>>Joan
>><>>>
>><>>>P.S. I can email pix by private email if you think it would help you
>><>>>figure out how to help me help her.
>><>>>
>><>>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
>><>>http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
>><>>sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
>><>>www.drsolo.com
>><>>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>><>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>>I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
>><>>I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
>><>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>>Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder.."Since my statements are
given freely, take em or leave em, I am entitled to
my opinion none the less. My opinion and $1 is still
only worth $1.....but I am entitled to "MY" opinion...
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>