Kribs laying eggs, no babies

[RedForeman ©®]

Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to produce
eggs...

My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are brown so
far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue to see what
happens...

We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is, what
if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real obviously, and the
other is elongated, seems to be male... but will a female produce eggs
without a male present? Like if there were 2 females in the tank, will one
or both produce eggs, just for the fun of it?

Just curious, haven't found anything on the net with a definitive, or even
dubious answer... I can always rely on NetMax and others to have the
answers...

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[Rick]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to produce
> eggs...
>
> My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are brown so
> far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue to see what
> happens...
>
> We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is, what
> if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real obviously, and the
> other is elongated, seems to be male... but will a female produce eggs
> without a male present? Like if there were 2 females in the tank, will one
> or both produce eggs, just for the fun of it?
>
> Just curious, haven't found anything on the net with a definitive, or even
> dubious answer... I can always rely on NetMax and others to have the
> answers...
>
> another *SMOOCH* to the NetMax ( | ) !!!
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!!
>


I stand to be corrected on this one but I believe that most egg laying fish
will develop eggs regardless of whether there is another male present or
not. Angel fish will lay eggs and go through the whole routine of fanning
them with no male present. You should be able to tell the difference between
male and female Kribs pretty easy. Although both can develop red belly's the
female will get a much deeper red, or purplish color. While trying to get
the male interested she will do a dance around him which is fascinating to
watch. The male also has a much longer and more pointed dorsal fin.

Rick

[Flash Wilson]

Hiya,

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:44:58 -0500, RedForeman ©® > wrote:
>Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to produce
>eggs...
>
>My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are brown so
>far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue to see what
>happens...

Mine too, in fact they are sort of yellowy-white and opaque.
The eggs appear and then a few days later disappear - I think
they get eaten when the female gives up on them.

I think my male is shooting blanks.

>We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is, what
>if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real obviously, and the
>other is elongated, seems to be male... but will a female produce eggs
>without a male present? Like if there were 2 females in the tank, will one
>or both produce eggs, just for the fun of it?

I don't know the answer I must admit, but my female only produces
them when she's been through the courting ritual with a male.
She does a thing where she bends from side to side, and shows
her rear to him, and where she stops and vibrates for a second.
I don't think two females would do that to each other!

I can't imagine you have two females if they are different and
were sold as a pair, kribs are very easy to sex on their size/
fins/colour - they are just obviously different!

You could always post the URL to some photos if you have any.
For now, I would search the net on "sexing kribs" to be sure,
see if you have any typical courting behaviour (mine were
sexed up together, aggressive to another male and ambivalent
to another female), and you could look at my photos to see
a clearly defined pair. http://www.gorge.org/fish/what.shtml#krib
There are probably much better photos showing the difference
on the net, if you look!

Good luck.


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[Paul]

Rick wrote in message >...
>
>"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
>> Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to produce
>> eggs...
>>
>> My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are brown
so
>> far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue to see what
>> happens...
>>
>> We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is, what
>> if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real obviously, and the
>> other is elongated, seems to be male... but will a female produce eggs
>> without a male present? Like if there were 2 females in the tank, will
one
>> or both produce eggs, just for the fun of it?
>>
>> Just curious, haven't found anything on the net with a definitive, or
even
>> dubious answer... I can always rely on NetMax and others to have the
>> answers...
>>
>> another *SMOOCH* to the NetMax ( | ) !!!
>>
>> --
>> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!!
>>
>
>
>I stand to be corrected on this one but I believe that most egg laying fish
>will develop eggs regardless of whether there is another male present or
>not. Angel fish will lay eggs and go through the whole routine of fanning
>them with no male present. You should be able to tell the difference
between
>male and female Kribs pretty easy. Although both can develop red belly's
the
>female will get a much deeper red, or purplish color. While trying to get
>the male interested she will do a dance around him which is fascinating to
>watch. The male also has a much longer and more pointed dorsal fin.
>
>Rick


like rick said it's pretty hard to mistake a female for a male, they are
very different looking fish.. If you have seen a male and female, you would
never mistake one for the other in a breeding size fish.

[NetMax]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to
produce
> eggs...
>
> My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are brown
so
> far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue to see what
> happens...
>
> We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is,
what
> if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real obviously, and
the
> other is elongated, seems to be male... but will a female produce eggs
> without a male present? Like if there were 2 females in the tank, will
one
> or both produce eggs, just for the fun of it?
>
> Just curious, haven't found anything on the net with a definitive, or
even
> dubious answer... I can always rely on NetMax and others to have the
> answers...
<snip>

All the egg-laying females 'produce' eggs and carry them around. Some
can become egg-bound if they don't have the opportunity to release them
(old eggs make poor fry). A few will release the eggs if the only other
fish of the species in the tank is a female. Angelfish will sometimes do
this. Kribs are not known for this characteristic, and the way female
Kribs in spawning condition behave with each other (!!) ;~) I doubt it
would be possible. Female Kribs are vicously intolerant of each other,
until the pecking order is fixed.

I wouldn't add M.blue to your water for their first few attempts. I
haven't found Krib eggs to be particularly susceptible to fungus (though
your water parameters could influence this a lot). Generally, you use
M.blue when you remove the parents from the eggs (to compensate for the
loss of their duties, removing dead eggs before the fungus spreads to
good eggs).

Kribs are easy to sex (unless really young). The female has a dark
red-purple splotch on her belly. The male is bigger and more elongated,
with extended dorsal and anal fins, and often a gold tinge along the fin
edges. Interestingly, the male thinks he is the boss (larger, stronger,
guards the perimeter etc), but the female is usually single-mindedly
vicous when in spawning mode, and it's her way or the highway ;~) hth

NetMax

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[RedForeman ©®]

> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
>> Just curious to know if a female krib will produce eggs, just to
>> produce eggs...
>>
>> My krib pair has now produced their second batch of eggs, all are
>> brown so far, but no fungus, which may prompt me to add methylblue
>> to see what happens...
>>
>> We're going thru the same routine as last time, but my question is,
>> what if.... What if I have 2 females, one shows to be real
>> obviously, and the other is elongated, seems to be male... but will
>> a female produce eggs without a male present? Like if there were 2
>> females in the tank, will one or both produce eggs, just for the fun
>> of it?
>>
>> Just curious, haven't found anything on the net with a definitive,
>> or even dubious answer... I can always rely on NetMax and others to
>> have the answers...
> <snip>
>
> All the egg-laying females 'produce' eggs and carry them around. Some
> can become egg-bound if they don't have the opportunity to release
> them (old eggs make poor fry). A few will release the eggs if the
> only other fish of the species in the tank is a female. Angelfish
> will sometimes do this. Kribs are not known for this characteristic,
> and the way female Kribs in spawning condition behave with each other
> (!!) ;~) I doubt it would be possible. Female Kribs are vicously
> intolerant of each other, until the pecking order is fixed.
>
> I wouldn't add M.blue to your water for their first few attempts. I
> haven't found Krib eggs to be particularly susceptible to fungus
> (though your water parameters could influence this a lot).
> Generally, you use M.blue when you remove the parents from the eggs
> (to compensate for the loss of their duties, removing dead eggs
> before the fungus spreads to good eggs).
>
> Kribs are easy to sex (unless really young). The female has a dark
> red-purple splotch on her belly. The male is bigger and more
> elongated, with extended dorsal and anal fins, and often a gold tinge
> along the fin edges. Interestingly, the male thinks he is the boss
> (larger, stronger, guards the perimeter etc), but the female is
> usually single-mindedly vicous when in spawning mode, and it's her
> way or the highway ;~) hth
>
> NetMax

Ok, then with that being said, I know I have a M/F pair, and was hoping
you'd say, NO, they don't make eggs to make eggs... There is a reason, the
reason is he's interested enough, but enough to fertilize them? I've not
seen anything good yet of the eggs, maybe the first time I spooked them,
very possible... This time, I've ignored them a bit, and hoped that
something will become of it...

X fingers crossed, and waiting...

Thanks to all for your replies....

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