another question:)

[Mary E. Hill]

I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do it:

Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight, and
adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub the
interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with the waste
going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared water
and slowly poor it into the tank.

Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor this
room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?

I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a different
time than when I do the water changes.

Any advice or changes you think I should make?

Thanks!!!!

Mary

[Josh Mills]

In article >,
says...
> I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do it:
>
> Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight, and
> adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub the
> interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with the waste
> going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared water
> and slowly poor it into the tank.
>
> Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor this
> room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?
>
> I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a different
> time than when I do the water changes.
>
> Any advice or changes you think I should make?
>
> Thanks!!!!
>
> Mary
>
>
>
It depends on how much water you are changing, and how much the water
temp of the aquarium differs from that of room temp. I use a python
myself, as this allows you to attach it right to your faucet, and adjust
the temp as you fill. I just add my conditioner into the aquaium right
before I add the tap water. I haven't had any problems so far using this
approach. Here's a link
<http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=3910&R=
7566&N=2004+113159+113565&in_merch=1>

Josh

[Mary E. Hill]

"Josh Mills" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> says...
> > I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do it:
> >
> > Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight, and
> > adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub the
> > interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with the
waste
> > going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared
water
> > and slowly poor it into the tank.
> >
> > Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor
this
> > room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?
> >
> > I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a
different
> > time than when I do the water changes.
> >
> > Any advice or changes you think I should make?
> >
> > Thanks!!!!
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >
> It depends on how much water you are changing, and how much the water
> temp of the aquarium differs from that of room temp. I use a python
> myself, as this allows you to attach it right to your faucet, and adjust
> the temp as you fill. I just add my conditioner into the aquaium right
> before I add the tap water. I haven't had any problems so far using this
> approach. Here's a link
> <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=3910&R=
> 7566&N=2004+113159+113565&in_merch=1>
>
> Josh

I would *love* to use this but are you sure it's ok to go direct from the
faucet? It seems TOO easy! Being able to add not so cool water would be
great and I'm pretty wussy in the arm muscle arena for those full buckets:)

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: another question:)
>From: "Mary E. Hill"
>Date: 3/24/2004 12:49 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Josh Mills" > wrote in message
.. .
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do it:
>> >
>> > Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight, and
>> > adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub the
>> > interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with the
>waste
>> > going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared
>water
>> > and slowly poor it into the tank.
>> >
>> > Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor
>this
>> > room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?
>> >
>> > I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a
>different
>> > time than when I do the water changes.
>> >
>> > Any advice or changes you think I should make?
>> >
>> > Thanks!!!!
>> >
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> It depends on how much water you are changing, and how much the water
>> temp of the aquarium differs from that of room temp. I use a python
>> myself, as this allows you to attach it right to your faucet, and adjust
>> the temp as you fill. I just add my conditioner into the aquaium right
>> before I add the tap water. I haven't had any problems so far using this
>> approach. Here's a link
>> <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=3910&R=
>> 7566&N=2004+113159+113565&in_merch=1>
>>
>> Josh
>
>I would *love* to use this but are you sure it's ok to go direct from the
>faucet? It seems TOO easy! Being able to add not so cool water would be
>great and I'm pretty wussy in the arm muscle arena for those full buckets:)
>
>

All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you refill it. =
)

[Mary E. Hill]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: another question:)
> >From: "Mary E. Hill"
> >Date: 3/24/2004 12:49 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"Josh Mills" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >> > I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do
it:
> >> >
> >> > Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight,
and
> >> > adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub
the
> >> > interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with
the
> >waste
> >> > going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared
> >water
> >> > and slowly poor it into the tank.
> >> >
> >> > Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor
> >this
> >> > room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?
> >> >
> >> > I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a
> >different
> >> > time than when I do the water changes.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice or changes you think I should make?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!!!!
> >> >
> >> > Mary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It depends on how much water you are changing, and how much the water
> >> temp of the aquarium differs from that of room temp. I use a python
> >> myself, as this allows you to attach it right to your faucet, and
adjust
> >> the temp as you fill. I just add my conditioner into the aquaium right
> >> before I add the tap water. I haven't had any problems so far using
this
> >> approach. Here's a link
> >> <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=3910&R=
> >> 7566&N=2004+113159+113565&in_merch=1>
> >>
> >> Josh
> >
> >I would *love* to use this but are you sure it's ok to go direct from the
> >faucet? It seems TOO easy! Being able to add not so cool water would be
> >great and I'm pretty wussy in the arm muscle arena for those full
buckets:)
> >
> >
>
> All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you refill
it. =
> )
>

Yay! Now I'll have to go right out and get one even though I just did a
change last night:)

[Dinky]

| All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you
refill it. =
| )
|
|

I feel this nagging need to point out that this method works well
with freshwater, but can be disasterous in a marine tank!


--

billy
--
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news://news.winextra.com

[Andy Hill]

"Dinky" > wrote:
>| All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you
>refill it. =
>I feel this nagging need to point out that this method works well
>with freshwater, but can be disasterous in a marine tank!
>
True. But last time I checked, this was rec.aquaria.FRESHWATER.misc . You
must be slumming it ;-)

[Josh Mills]

In article .net>,
says...
> | All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you
> refill it. =
> | )
> |
> |
>
> I feel this nagging need to point out that this method works well
> with freshwater, but can be disasterous in a marine tank!
>
>
>
Agreed.

Josh

[Josh Mills]

Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you can
attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet that has
those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good shape, or
a laundry type sink better still.

Josh

[Dinky]

"Andy Hill" > wrote in message
...
| "Dinky" > wrote:
| >
| True. But last time I checked, this was
rec.aquaria.FRESHWATER.misc . You
| must be slumming it ;-)

I know. This is why I qualified the statement, blaming it on my own
emotional\psychological issues.<g>

And, for the record, I keep both, and enjoy both equally.

billy

[Chris Palma]

Another important point -- not only near the tank, but at the same height.
My sink is up one flight of stairs from my tank, and the python can't
create enough suction to be worthwhile to use.

--chris




On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Josh Mills wrote:

>
> Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you can
> attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet that has
> those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good shape, or
> a laundry type sink better still.
>
> Josh
>


NB: This email address is dead. If you would like to email me directly,
please use: cpalmaATSYMBOLastro.psu.edu

[Chris Palma]

I only keep freshwater, but I'm lucky enough to work at a University with
a big (200 gal?) sal****er tank in the student union building next door.
I make lots of excuses to go there to see it. :)


On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Dinky wrote:

> "Andy Hill" > wrote in message
> ...
> | "Dinky" > wrote:
> | >
> | True. But last time I checked, this was
> rec.aquaria.FRESHWATER.misc . You
> | must be slumming it ;-)
>
> I know. This is why I qualified the statement, blaming it on my own
> emotional\psychological issues.<g>
>
> And, for the record, I keep both, and enjoy both equally.
>
> billy
>
>
>

NB: This email address is dead. If you would like to email me directly,
please use: cpalmaATSYMBOLastro.psu.edu

[Paulo]

How about chloramine? I ve read you need a couple of hours before the
"dechlor" works. Until then the water is not "ready"

--
Paulo
"Josh Mills" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article .net>,
> says...
> > | All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you
> > refill it. =
> > | )
> > |
> > |
> >
> > I feel this nagging need to point out that this method works well
> > with freshwater, but can be disasterous in a marine tank!
> >
> >
> >
> Agreed.
>
> Josh

[Josh Mills]

In article >,
says...
> How about chloramine? I ve read you need a couple of hours before the
> "dechlor" works. Until then the water is not "ready"
>
>
I don't know about that, I've never had a problem. But I don't know if
my tap water has chloramine, but I treat for it just to be safe. When I
worked at a fish store in the same county, we always just added amquell,
and filled the tanks back up with temp adjusted tap water. I'll have to
find out about it though, good point.

Josh

[Harry Muscle]

"Paulo" > wrote in message
. ..
> How about chloramine? I ve read you need a couple of hours before the
> "dechlor" works. Until then the water is not "ready"
>
> --
> Paulo

That's a very valid question. I've read similar reports. However, I've
also read that it works instantly or after 5mins. I'm not too sure if
anyone really has any scientific data on how long it takes to neutralize
chloramines with chemicals.

Harry




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[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: another question:)
>From: "Mary E. Hill"
>Date: 3/24/2004 12:57 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: another question:)
>> >From: "Mary E. Hill"
>> >Date: 3/24/2004 12:49 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Josh Mills" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> In article >,
>> >> says...
>> >> > I've been doing regular water changes and using this process to do
>it:
>> >> >
>> >> > Filling a big bucket with tap water, letting it sit out overnight,
>and
>> >> > adding water conditioner. I unplug everything on the tank and scrub
>the
>> >> > interior glass with a aquarium brush-thing, vacuum the gravel with
>the
>> >waste
>> >> > going into another container to be dumped. I then take the prepared
>> >water
>> >> > and slowly poor it into the tank.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, now I have a heater and have tropicals. Is is terrible to poor
>> >this
>> >> > room temp water in? Should I be doing anything else?
>> >> >
>> >> > I change the filter in the bio-wheel every couple of weeks at a
>> >different
>> >> > time than when I do the water changes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any advice or changes you think I should make?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Mary
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> It depends on how much water you are changing, and how much the water
>> >> temp of the aquarium differs from that of room temp. I use a python
>> >> myself, as this allows you to attach it right to your faucet, and
>adjust
>> >> the temp as you fill. I just add my conditioner into the aquaium right
>> >> before I add the tap water. I haven't had any problems so far using
>this
>> >> approach. Here's a link
>> >> <http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=3910&R=
>> >> 7566&N=2004+113159+113565&in_merch=1>
>> >>
>> >> Josh
>> >
>> >I would *love* to use this but are you sure it's ok to go direct from the
>> >faucet? It seems TOO easy! Being able to add not so cool water would be
>> >great and I'm pretty wussy in the arm muscle arena for those full
>buckets:)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> All you need to do is add the dchlor to the tank right before you refill
>it. =
>> )
>>
>
>Yay! Now I'll have to go right out and get one even though I just did a
>change last night:)
>

I love my Python. The price has gone down on then a lot too. (from when they
first came out). It's a wonderful investment for any tank over 5 gallons.
Once...during a water change, oneof the parts cracked and I totally freaked
out. I had to rush to the pet shop..it WAS an emergency!
The thought of going to buckets was just too scary to handle. = )~

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: another question:)
>From: High Flight
>Date: 3/25/2004 8:15 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Josh Mills > says...
>> Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you can
>> attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet that has
>> those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good shape, or
>> a laundry type sink better still.
>
>In addition to that, you can eliminate the splash by using a wrap or two
>of saran wrap to form a funnel between the python output and the sink
>drain.
>

Good idea. Just make sure it doesn't fall off the tap during the water change.
Ionce used a plain old paper towel and it fell off...clogged up the
sink....well, I wasn't aware it was clogged and flooded my kitchen with dirty
fish water (I did two tanks). Oh what a mess that was. The plastic wrap would
probably cling to the faucet and not slip off (as long as it was wet).

[NetMax]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: another question:)
> >From: High Flight
> >Date: 3/25/2004 8:15 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >Josh Mills > says...
> >> Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you can
> >> attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet that
has
> >> those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good
shape, or
> >> a laundry type sink better still.
> >
> >In addition to that, you can eliminate the splash by using a wrap or
two
> >of saran wrap to form a funnel between the python output and the sink
> >drain.
> >
>
> Good idea. Just make sure it doesn't fall off the tap during the water
change.
> Ionce used a plain old paper towel and it fell off...clogged up the
> sink....well, I wasn't aware it was clogged and flooded my kitchen with
dirty
> fish water (I did two tanks). Oh what a mess that was. The plastic wrap
would
> probably cling to the faucet and not slip off (as long as it was wet).

I use a 4" thick flexible pipe, with a cut down its length. I slip it
over the python, but it interferes with switching it from pull to pushing
water. I'm going to try attaching a tight-fitting piece of hose over the
end which moves, so there is less splashing. It's still a work in
progress. After a while, they seem to ooze water from every crevice and
then fall apart (but I do a lot of tanks with them).

NetMax

[GloFish]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:34:57 -0500, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>
>"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: another question:)
>> >From: High Flight
>> >Date: 3/25/2004 8:15 AM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >Josh Mills > says...
>> >> Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you can
>> >> attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet that
>has
>> >> those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good
>shape, or
>> >> a laundry type sink better still.
>> >
>> >In addition to that, you can eliminate the splash by using a wrap or
>two
>> >of saran wrap to form a funnel between the python output and the sink
>> >drain.
>> >
>>
>> Good idea. Just make sure it doesn't fall off the tap during the water
>change.
>> Ionce used a plain old paper towel and it fell off...clogged up the
>> sink....well, I wasn't aware it was clogged and flooded my kitchen with
>dirty
>> fish water (I did two tanks). Oh what a mess that was. The plastic wrap
>would
>> probably cling to the faucet and not slip off (as long as it was wet).
>
>I use a 4" thick flexible pipe, with a cut down its length. I slip it
>over the python, but it interferes with switching it from pull to pushing
>water. I'm going to try attaching a tight-fitting piece of hose over the
>end which moves, so there is less splashing. It's still a work in
>progress. After a while, they seem to ooze water from every crevice and
>then fall apart (but I do a lot of tanks with them).
>
>NetMax
>

I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end. Catches
any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry, substrate)
and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie string
at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and forth
between suck and fill with ease.




--Tony

[NetMax]

"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:34:57 -0500, "NetMax"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >Subject: Re: another question:)
> >> >From: High Flight
> >> >Date: 3/25/2004 8:15 AM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >> >Josh Mills > says...
> >> >> Mary, just make sure you have a faucet near your tank that you
can
> >> >> attach the python to. If you have a bathroom or kitchen faucet
that
> >has
> >> >> those little unscrewable wire mesh things on it you're in good
> >shape, or
> >> >> a laundry type sink better still.
> >> >
> >> >In addition to that, you can eliminate the splash by using a wrap
or
> >two
> >> >of saran wrap to form a funnel between the python output and the
sink
> >> >drain.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Good idea. Just make sure it doesn't fall off the tap during the
water
> >change.
> >> Ionce used a plain old paper towel and it fell off...clogged up the
> >> sink....well, I wasn't aware it was clogged and flooded my kitchen
with
> >dirty
> >> fish water (I did two tanks). Oh what a mess that was. The plastic
wrap
> >would
> >> probably cling to the faucet and not slip off (as long as it was
wet).
> >
> >I use a 4" thick flexible pipe, with a cut down its length. I slip it
> >over the python, but it interferes with switching it from pull to
pushing
> >water. I'm going to try attaching a tight-fitting piece of hose over
the
> >end which moves, so there is less splashing. It's still a work in
> >progress. After a while, they seem to ooze water from every crevice
and
> >then fall apart (but I do a lot of tanks with them).
> >
> >NetMax
> >
>
> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end. Catches
> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry, substrate)
> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie string
> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and forth
> between suck and fill with ease.

I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!

NetMax

> --Tony

[GloFish]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
> wrote:

<A LOT snipped>

>> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end. Catches
>> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry, substrate)
>> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie string
>> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and forth
>> between suck and fill with ease.
>
>I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
>hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
>Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
>bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
>
>NetMax
>
>> --Tony
>


I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
(whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower drainage.

The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
inches, a four inch would have been perfect.




--Tony

[NetMax]

"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
> > wrote:
>
> <A LOT snipped>
>
> >> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end.
Catches
> >> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry,
substrate)
> >> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie
string
> >> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and
forth
> >> between suck and fill with ease.
> >
> >I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
> >hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
> >Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
> >bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
> >
> >NetMax
> >
> >> --Tony
> >
>
>
> I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
> (whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
> filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower drainage.
>
> The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
> have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
> it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
> inches, a four inch would have been perfect.

Thanks for the warning. We have overflowed our python sink in almost
every way imaginable. I gave up on using a mop and bought a wet vac.
It's a good thing that we are on a concrete floor with floor drains every
ten feet. The only problem is the drains are a few inches higher than
the lowest points in the floor.

Or I'll be filling a tank and get interrupted to find something. Before
I find it, I get paged to Customer service. While there I get a phone
call. Then I'll be shaking my head trying to remember what I was looking
for when I got paged before I answered the phone ;~) *and somewhere a
tank is overflowing*

NetMax

> --Tony

[Mary]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "GloFish" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > <A LOT snipped>
> >
> > >> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end.
> Catches
> > >> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry,
> substrate)
> > >> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie
> string
> > >> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and
> forth
> > >> between suck and fill with ease.
> > >
> > >I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
> > >hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
> > >Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
> > >bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
> > >
> > >NetMax
> > >
> > >> --Tony
> > >
> >
> >
> > I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
> > (whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
> > filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower drainage.
> >
> > The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
> > have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
> > it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
> > inches, a four inch would have been perfect.
>
> Thanks for the warning. We have overflowed our python sink in almost
> every way imaginable. I gave up on using a mop and bought a wet vac.
> It's a good thing that we are on a concrete floor with floor drains every
> ten feet. The only problem is the drains are a few inches higher than
> the lowest points in the floor.
>
> Or I'll be filling a tank and get interrupted to find something. Before
> I find it, I get paged to Customer service. While there I get a phone
> call. Then I'll be shaking my head trying to remember what I was looking
> for when I got paged before I answered the phone ;~) *and somewhere a
> tank is overflowing*
>
> NetMax
>
> > --Tony
>

OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your posts
about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...

Mary

[GloFish]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:18:33 -0500, "Mary"
> wrote:

>
>"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> "GloFish" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > <A LOT snipped>
>> >
>> > >> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end.
>> Catches
>> > >> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry,
>> substrate)
>> > >> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie
>> string
>> > >> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and
>> forth
>> > >> between suck and fill with ease.
>> > >
>> > >I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
>> > >hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
>> > >Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
>> > >bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >NetMax
>> > >
>> > >> --Tony
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
>> > (whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
>> > filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower drainage.
>> >
>> > The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
>> > have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
>> > it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
>> > inches, a four inch would have been perfect.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. We have overflowed our python sink in almost
>> every way imaginable. I gave up on using a mop and bought a wet vac.
>> It's a good thing that we are on a concrete floor with floor drains every
>> ten feet. The only problem is the drains are a few inches higher than
>> the lowest points in the floor.
>>
>> Or I'll be filling a tank and get interrupted to find something. Before
>> I find it, I get paged to Customer service. While there I get a phone
>> call. Then I'll be shaking my head trying to remember what I was looking
>> for when I got paged before I answered the phone ;~) *and somewhere a
>> tank is overflowing*
>>
>> NetMax
>>
>> > --Tony
>>
>
>OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your posts
>about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
>
>Mary
>

Mary,

I wouldn't do without it... the overflow was my fault.. If I had not
used the filter bag yesterday, I would not have tried to recreate
Noah's flood.

I started using the bag to save fry, and it does that, there are
different ways to approach it. Anytime you work with an aquarium you
face the possibility of water getting every where. If you pretreat
and age five gallon buckets, they can spill everywhere. As is, I
lost about 3 gallons on the floor, and no sign of the flood on the
ceiling downstairs.

Python is the brand I use, I love it... but, if I couldn't get a
Python, I'd get another one.... wouldn't do it without.




--Tony

[Mary E. Hill]

"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:18:33 -0500, "Mary"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"NetMax" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >>
> >> "GloFish" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <A LOT snipped>
> >> >
> >> > >> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end.
> >> Catches
> >> > >> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry,
> >> substrate)
> >> > >> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie
> >> string
> >> > >> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and
> >> forth
> >> > >> between suck and fill with ease.
> >> > >
> >> > >I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where
the
> >> > >hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through
the
> >> > >Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The
filter
> >> > >bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
> >> > >
> >> > >NetMax
> >> > >
> >> > >> --Tony
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
> >> > (whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
> >> > filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower
drainage.
> >> >
> >> > The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
> >> > have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
> >> > it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
> >> > inches, a four inch would have been perfect.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the warning. We have overflowed our python sink in almost
> >> every way imaginable. I gave up on using a mop and bought a wet vac.
> >> It's a good thing that we are on a concrete floor with floor drains
every
> >> ten feet. The only problem is the drains are a few inches higher than
> >> the lowest points in the floor.
> >>
> >> Or I'll be filling a tank and get interrupted to find something.
Before
> >> I find it, I get paged to Customer service. While there I get a phone
> >> call. Then I'll be shaking my head trying to remember what I was
looking
> >> for when I got paged before I answered the phone ;~) *and somewhere a
> >> tank is overflowing*
> >>
> >> NetMax
> >>
> >> > --Tony
> >>
> >
> >OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your
posts
> >about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
> >
> >Mary
> >
>
> Mary,
>
> I wouldn't do without it... the overflow was my fault.. If I had not
> used the filter bag yesterday, I would not have tried to recreate
> Noah's flood.
>
> I started using the bag to save fry, and it does that, there are
> different ways to approach it. Anytime you work with an aquarium you
> face the possibility of water getting every where. If you pretreat
> and age five gallon buckets, they can spill everywhere. As is, I
> lost about 3 gallons on the floor, and no sign of the flood on the
> ceiling downstairs.
>
> Python is the brand I use, I love it... but, if I couldn't get a
> Python, I'd get another one.... wouldn't do it without.
>
>
>
>
> --Tony

k:)

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: Python operation, was Re: another question:)
>From: "Mary"
>Date: 3/29/2004 5:18 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> "GloFish" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:50:16 -0500, "NetMax"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >> I've taken to putting a filter media mesh bag over the end.
>> Catches
>> > >> any of the larger items getting accidently sucked in (fry,
>> substrate)
>> > >> and helps control the splashing... the bag I'm using has a tie
>> string
>> > >> at the top which I use to secure the bag, I can switch back and
>> forth
>> > >> between suck and fill with ease.
>> > >
>> > >I might try that. Substrate & vegetation usually get stuck where the
>> > >hose connects to the Python, and fry which made their way through the
>> > >Python would I imagine, not be in very good condition ;~). The filter
>> > >bag might redirect a lot of spray though. Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >NetMax
>> > >
>> > >> --Tony
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > I found out something today... I already had some gravel in the trap
>> > (whoops, cleaned out now)... this made for a slow drain. Today the
>> > filter bag was sucked down the drain, making for even slower drainage.
>> >
>> > The sink overflowed... four towels to suck it all up.... I should
>> > have been listening to the sounds of the water... I might have caught
>> > it faster..... Or used a shorter bag.. the one I have for it is 6
>> > inches, a four inch would have been perfect.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. We have overflowed our python sink in almost
>> every way imaginable. I gave up on using a mop and bought a wet vac.
>> It's a good thing that we are on a concrete floor with floor drains every
>> ten feet. The only problem is the drains are a few inches higher than
>> the lowest points in the floor.
>>
>> Or I'll be filling a tank and get interrupted to find something. Before
>> I find it, I get paged to Customer service. While there I get a phone
>> call. Then I'll be shaking my head trying to remember what I was looking
>> for when I got paged before I answered the phone ;~) *and somewhere a
>> tank is overflowing*
>>
>> NetMax
>>
>> > --Tony
>>
>
>OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your posts
>about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
>
>Mary
>

Yes! You do still want one.
However, you are now knowledgeable inthe fact that what ever you
do,......don't let the drain get clogged. = )~

[coelacanth]

"Mary" > wrote in message
...
>
> OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your
posts
> about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
>
> Mary
>
Yes, yes, yes--they are a great tool, nearly indispensable.
Just don't get distracted while using ;-)

-coelacanth

[Blue Gourami]

> I use a 4" thick flexible pipe, with a cut down its length. I slip it
> over the python, but it interferes with switching it from pull to pushing
> water. I'm going to try attaching a tight-fitting piece of hose over the
> end which moves, so there is less splashing.

About three years ago I came up with an idea to prevent the splashing
around when I use my Python. It is very simple: I bought one of those
plastic jugs, the kind you would use to prepare fruit juice from
concentrate, for example. I cut out the bottom so it is open at both
ends. When I change the water in my big aquarium, I have the jug
upside down (narrow end up) in the sink, with the end of the Python
(the one with the thingie you move up or down depending on whether you
want to empty or refill the tank) in the jug. All the splashing is
contained within the jug. I have cut it high enough so it just fits
under the Python, with the top edge just under the T junction (where
the hose connects). It works great. No more soggy towels!

Blue Gourami

[Robert Flory]

"coelacanth" > wrote in message
. com...
> "Mary" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your
> posts
> > about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
> >
> > Mary
> >
> Yes, yes, yes--they are a great tool, nearly indispensable.
> Just don't get distracted while using ;-)
>
> -coelacanth
>
>
I finally whipped mine into shape.

The original venturi died (stripped plastic threads), I added the original
brass fitting to a new siphon and put a hose quick connect between the
fitting that goes between the faucet and the venturi. Now I have well
tightened fittings that don't work loose and the venturi can swivel. The
only connection I have to fiddle with is the brass fitting that goes on the
steel faucet.

Now if I could just find a brass venturi section .....

bob

[GloFish]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:10:15 -0000, High Flight > wrote:

>coelacanth > says...
>>> OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of your
>> posts
>>> about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>> Yes, yes, yes--they are a great tool, nearly indispensable.
>> Just don't get distracted while using ;-)
>
>Make a commitment to stand right in front of the tank and watch it. No
>exceptions.
>
> Jack


That is what I was doing... vaccuuming the gravel, and watching the
koi angels chase the debris up and down the tube... the sink was 25
feet away in the bathroom... TOO MUCH FUN.....

It requires a balanced approach, make sure your sink is clear, the
drain is not blocked.... My first time around, I used the python to
start draining the bathtub after my sons bath... I wanted to make sure
it would handle the flow while I was able to watch it. It still
handles the flow..




--Tony

[NetMax]

"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:10:15 -0000, High Flight > wrote:
>
> >coelacanth > says...
> >>> OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of
your
> >> posts
> >>> about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
> >>>
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >> Yes, yes, yes--they are a great tool, nearly indispensable.
> >> Just don't get distracted while using ;-)
> >
> >Make a commitment to stand right in front of the tank and watch it.
No
> >exceptions.
> >
> > Jack
>
>
> That is what I was doing... vaccuuming the gravel, and watching the
> koi angels chase the debris up and down the tube... the sink was 25
> feet away in the bathroom... TOO MUCH FUN.....
>
> It requires a balanced approach, make sure your sink is clear, the
> drain is not blocked.... My first time around, I used the python to
> start draining the bathtub after my sons bath... I wanted to make sure
> it would handle the flow while I was able to watch it. It still
> handles the flow..
>
> --Tony

Ideally, you have a large sink (like a laundry tub) in your basement's
laundry room. The high sides contain the spray. Being in the basement
is ideal helping your gravel vacuuming (gravity). Being in a laundry
room lets you leave the Python attached (less handling), and if the sink
clogs, the capacity of the sink is quite large, easily holding a 20%
water change on a 100g. Basement laundry rooms sometimes have a floor
drain, so if the hose comes apart, it helps contain your mess.

With a little plumbing, you could even add a temperature regulator with
its own output, and then not need to fiddle with the hot & cold valves.
The only drawback I still see is filling the tank. You need to run down
and turn off the water. Closing the shutoff valve on the Python will not
reliably hold back water under high pressure. I use a large pail, so the
output of the Python goes into the pail between aquariums, and I only
shut the water at the last tank.

For work, I'm going to try Blue Gourami's idea of the water jug with no
bottom, thanks!
NetMax

[Wally]

Just use the thing for what it is. I use it to vacuum the gravel and
just let the crud run down the drain in the tub or outside into my
back yard. No reason to waste all the water hooking it to the faucet
to drain. For that matter, just get a gravel vacuum and go to a
hardware store and buy some plastic tubing that the hose on the end of
the gravel vac will fit inside snuggly and you have a very cheap
imation. I have an adaptor on the facuet and use a worm gear hose
clamp to attach with and refill my tanks that way. I do 20 tanks up to
200 gallons every week in 3 or so hours. Make a hang on the tank
refill tube out of pvc and a valve and you don't have to worry about
it falling out of the tank when refilling. E-mail me if you want pics.





On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:40:51 -0500, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>
>"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:10:15 -0000, High Flight > wrote:
>>
>> >coelacanth > says...
>> >>> OK - I didn't run right out & buy one. Now that I've read all of
>your
>> >> posts
>> >>> about overflow - *do I still want one?* Gees:) Kill a deal...
>> >>>
>> >>> Mary
>> >>>
>> >> Yes, yes, yes--they are a great tool, nearly indispensable.
>> >> Just don't get distracted while using ;-)
>> >
>> >Make a commitment to stand right in front of the tank and watch it.
>No
>> >exceptions.
>> >
>> > Jack
>>
>>
>> That is what I was doing... vaccuuming the gravel, and watching the
>> koi angels chase the debris up and down the tube... the sink was 25
>> feet away in the bathroom... TOO MUCH FUN.....
>>
>> It requires a balanced approach, make sure your sink is clear, the
>> drain is not blocked.... My first time around, I used the python to
>> start draining the bathtub after my sons bath... I wanted to make sure
>> it would handle the flow while I was able to watch it. It still
>> handles the flow..
>>
>> --Tony
>
>Ideally, you have a large sink (like a laundry tub) in your basement's
>laundry room. The high sides contain the spray. Being in the basement
>is ideal helping your gravel vacuuming (gravity). Being in a laundry
>room lets you leave the Python attached (less handling), and if the sink
>clogs, the capacity of the sink is quite large, easily holding a 20%
>water change on a 100g. Basement laundry rooms sometimes have a floor
>drain, so if the hose comes apart, it helps contain your mess.
>
>With a little plumbing, you could even add a temperature regulator with
>its own output, and then not need to fiddle with the hot & cold valves.
>The only drawback I still see is filling the tank. You need to run down
>and turn off the water. Closing the shutoff valve on the Python will not
>reliably hold back water under high pressure. I use a large pail, so the
>output of the Python goes into the pail between aquariums, and I only
>shut the water at the last tank.
>
>For work, I'm going to try Blue Gourami's idea of the water jug with no
>bottom, thanks!
>NetMax
>

[TYNK 7]

(Snipped)

>Subject: Re: Python operation, was Re: another question:)
>From: GloFish
>Date: 3/31/2004 8:23 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>

>That is what I was doing... vaccuuming the gravel, and watching the
>koi angels chase the debris up and down the tube... the sink was 25
>feet away in the bathroom... TOO MUCH FUN.....

What is it with Koi Angelfish?!?!
My Koi are the only Angelfish that won't leave the tube alone. They go nuts for
it.
The other Angels could care less about it...they just look at my hand to see if
it has Bloodworms in it or not.

[NetMax]

"Brian" > wrote in message
...
> My understanding of the Python is that the sink you attach it to
creates
> the flow when you turn on the tap. In other words, to drain tank water,
> you're also flushing clean tap water down the drain.
>
> This is what keeps me from using it. My personal opinion is that fresh
> water is a grossly undervalued resource, too valuable to run down the
> sewer for nothing but creating siphon.
>
> I'm not disparaging those that praise them, I'm just putting forth a
> different view. I've always been a little different. ;) And what I
spill
> from my five-gallon bucket is measured in drops. ;)
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller

It depends on the relative height of your sink to the tank. If you are
using a sink on a lower floor, then no water needs to be wasted. You
actually do not even need the python vortex assembly, just a hose and a
wide plastic tube (and hose fittings, and gasket to go from the hose to
the pipe). To start the siphon, put the vacuuming end in your tank
underwater. Turn on the faucet and fill the hose. Crimp the hose,
disconnect and let drain. You can now vacuum as needed, dirty water down
to the drain (or to pails to feed your indoor plants :~). When vacuuming
is completed, let a bit of clean water through (so you don't pump crap
back in), and then go connect the hose to your faucet, and turn on the
water to refill the tank.

The beauty of the Python is that it operates when the sink is at the same
level of the tank, by using water pressure (wasted water) to pull water
(even up against gravity a few feet). With your water source and drain
location below the tank, then you don't waste anything. You can even
manage it if your water source is elsewhere, but you will need your drain
lower, or a pump. hth

NetMax

[GloFish]

On 01 Apr 2004 04:31:33 GMT, (TYNK 7) wrote:

>(Snipped)
>
>>Subject: Re: Python operation, was Re: another question:)
>>From: GloFish
>>Date: 3/31/2004 8:23 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>
>>That is what I was doing... vaccuuming the gravel, and watching the
>>koi angels chase the debris up and down the tube... the sink was 25
>>feet away in the bathroom... TOO MUCH FUN.....
>
>What is it with Koi Angelfish?!?!
>My Koi are the only Angelfish that won't leave the tube alone. They go nuts for
>it.
>The other Angels could care less about it...they just look at my hand to see if
>it has Bloodworms in it or not.

Exactly! just the koi.... a few of the swordtails seem interested
from time to time, but the Koi just can not leave it alone! It is the
one thing that makes the vacuuming enjoyable


--Tony