Childproof lid

[E.Otter]

Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that could
lock this lid onto the tank?

Thanks,
E.Otter

[Elizabeth Naime]

Quoth "E.Otter" > on Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:39:47 GMT,

>Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
>protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
>build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that could
>lock this lid onto the tank?

How old is the kid?

I'd think you could take an aquarium hood, one of those fancy-schmancy
ones that covers the lid, light, and all, and adapt some kind of
childproofing to it. What kind would depend on the child...


-----------------------------------------
Only know that there is no spork.

[Tylan]

Ok, this would be a VERY sloppy suggestion, but it beats nothing.

Glue down everything there is of your hood. The flap in front you use to
feed with and the light fixture. (yes this will make changing the light
near impossible but this plan is phase one and could maybe be tweeked.)

Buy you some brass cabinet hinges, some type of lock hasp and some aquarium
sealant / glue. Then just put the hinges on the back of the tank. 1/2 of
it on the lid, the bottom half on the tank of course. Use the sealant to
stick it together (obviously since you can neither nail it in or screw it in
place) then do the same for the lock hasp in front. Whenever you want to
get in the tank, unlock your lock you put on the hasp and tilt the lid back.
Sort of like opening a pizza box. Heh. Rough idea but is a thought.
*shrug*

"Elizabeth Naime" > wrote in message
...
> Quoth "E.Otter" > on Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:39:47 GMT,
>
> >Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> >protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
> >build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
could
> >lock this lid onto the tank?
>
> How old is the kid?
>
> I'd think you could take an aquarium hood, one of those fancy-schmancy
> ones that covers the lid, light, and all, and adapt some kind of
> childproofing to it. What kind would depend on the child...
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Only know that there is no spork.

[NetMax]

"E.Otter" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have
to
> build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
could
> lock this lid onto the tank?
>
> Thanks,
> E.Otter

I'm not aware of any product. A custom cover would partially do it (not
for the filter), but that's a bit of trouble and expense. My suggestion:

Remove and put into storage your HOB filter, HOB heater (if you have one)
and the canopy. Replace with an internal canister, a submersible heater,
a polo light strip and a single sheet of glass. Silicone a few small
pieces of glass or some type of knob, so that you can feed the fish by
lifting the single glass plate (which also lifts the polo strip light
up). Depending on tank size, two glass panes might still be sufficient.
Leaving a small gap in the back (where the ac wires come into the tank)
might be a good spot to feed through as well. Use a fairly thick glass
pane (4-5mm?) so it cannot be cracked from a child's weight above. Be
sure to fasten the stand to a wall joist behind the tank. I use
something like a garage utility hook for this.

For the cost, the cheapest part (the glass pane) is the only thing you
probably won't get to re-use somewhere (I suppose you could cut it in
half later and make a real glass cover out of it ;~)

NetMax

[Rikko]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:39:47 GMT, "E.Otter" >
wrote:

>Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
>protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
>build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that could
>lock this lid onto the tank?

I'd suggest buying (or custom building) a cap for the tank. I've seen
them with a flip-open lid that just drops on top of your existing
setup (old canopy and light strip are contained, filter still sticks
out the back a little bit but you can't really tamper with it). If the
wee one can still lift that lid, you could always add weight to the
inside (staple on some rebar or something) to make it too heavy for
him to lift.
Or you could add a latch/lock to it, but it always ends up being an
eyesore.

[Velvet]

Rikko wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:39:47 GMT, "E.Otter" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
>>protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
>>build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that could
>>lock this lid onto the tank?
>
>
> I'd suggest buying (or custom building) a cap for the tank. I've seen
> them with a flip-open lid that just drops on top of your existing
> setup (old canopy and light strip are contained, filter still sticks
> out the back a little bit but you can't really tamper with it). If the
> wee one can still lift that lid, you could always add weight to the
> inside (staple on some rebar or something) to make it too heavy for
> him to lift.
> Or you could add a latch/lock to it, but it always ends up being an
> eyesore.

And above all, don't forget that instilling the fact things are
dangerous, and must NOT be touched/played with EVER are valuable lessons
that will stand child in good stead for later life. It's never to early
to start teaching responsibility and consequences of actions IMO.

If you are worried about kid getting INTO the tank, have you considered
the problem of kid breaking glass of tank, or kid pulling/pushing OVER tank?

Velvet

[Vicki]

"NetMax" > wrote in message >...
> "E.Otter" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> > protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have
> to
> > build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
> could
> > lock this lid onto the tank?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > E.Otter
>
> I'm not aware of any product. A custom cover would partially do it (not
> for the filter), but that's a bit of trouble and expense. My suggestion:
>
> Remove and put into storage your HOB filter, HOB heater (if you have one)
> and the canopy. Replace with an internal canister, a submersible heater,
> a polo light strip and a single sheet of glass. Silicone a few small
> pieces of glass or some type of knob, so that you can feed the fish by
> lifting the single glass plate (which also lifts the polo strip light
> up). Depending on tank size, two glass panes might still be sufficient.
> Leaving a small gap in the back (where the ac wires come into the tank)
> might be a good spot to feed through as well. Use a fairly thick glass
> pane (4-5mm?) so it cannot be cracked from a child's weight above. Be
> sure to fasten the stand to a wall joist behind the tank. I use
> something like a garage utility hook for this.
>
> For the cost, the cheapest part (the glass pane) is the only thing you
> probably won't get to re-use somewhere (I suppose you could cut it in
> half later and make a real glass cover out of it ;~)
>
> NetMax

Besids what NetMax said you could make a custom cover for a lot less
that could cover everything. Add a lock to the front and besides
being kid friendly will not be hard to remove when the child gets
older. One more thing would be the fact that you will have a nice
piece of furniture.

I remember when our youngest was about 18 months old and woke up in
the middle of the nite and decided to feed the fish. Luckly we woke
up, but in the mean time she dumped an entire can of flake food in the
(not to mention what she fed the rest of the pets) tank. A few water
changes and the tank was back to normal. She only did this once and
kids learn fast.

Vicki

[RedForeman ©®]

"E.Otter" > wrote in message
> Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
> build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
could
> lock this lid onto the tank?
>
> Thanks,
> E.Otter

This may not be a popular suggestion, but how about some old fashioned
discipline? If you're having some problems with a child getting in your
tank, maybe sitting the youngster down and explaining the life and death of
things, or if too young, a good stern talking to should do it, as a
substitution to discipline...

--
RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
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"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[coelacanth]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> "E.Otter" > wrote in message
> > Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> > protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
> > build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
> could
> > lock this lid onto the tank?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > E.Otter
>
> This may not be a popular suggestion, but how about some old fashioned
> discipline? If you're having some problems with a child getting in your
> tank, maybe sitting the youngster down and explaining the life and death
of
> things, or if too young, a good stern talking to should do it, as a
> substitution to discipline...
>
You beat me to it, Red. My kids have grown up around
aquariums and understand that they can't "play" in them,
that I will help them feed the fish, that fish a living things,
etc. By the time they were mobile enough to do any damage
(around 3), they knew better.

Having said that, I do have to be extra alert when cousins
and friends visit.

-coelacanth

[RedForeman ©®]

"coelacanth" > wrote in message
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > "E.Otter" > wrote in message
> > > Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need
to
> > > protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have
to
> > > build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
> > could
> > > lock this lid onto the tank?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > E.Otter
> >
> > This may not be a popular suggestion, but how about some old fashioned
> > discipline? If you're having some problems with a child getting in your
> > tank, maybe sitting the youngster down and explaining the life and death
> of
> > things, or if too young, a good stern talking to should do it, as a
> > substitution to discipline...
> >
> You beat me to it, Red. My kids have grown up around
> aquariums and understand that they can't "play" in them,
> that I will help them feed the fish, that fish a living things,
> etc. By the time they were mobile enough to do any damage
> (around 3), they knew better.
>
> Having said that, I do have to be extra alert when cousins
> and friends visit.
>
> -coelacanth


My first lesson, when a friend came over to help me build something, we were
occupied in the garage for an hour or so, while his daughter was playing
with my 2 dogs... a little bit goes by and she comes out and asks, "Can I
feed the fish?", and her father said, "No, we'll be in to feed them in just
a minute", and after he said that, he looked at me, and somewhat smiled,
"She only asks things like that after she's already done it, looking for a
yes, when she gets the idea and has already done it..."

Needless to say, a 3oz bottle of flakes, in a 10g tank, makes for some "corn
flake" water at best... needless to say, it was a long afternoon.... Now
that she's learned the life and death aspect of it,*(1 fish was not so
lucky)* she felt bad, cried and has since, learned not to touch, even tap
the glass.. It really only takes one time to learn... even if it IS the hard
way....

--
RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Andy Hill]

"E.Otter" > wrote:
>Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
>protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
>build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that could
>lock this lid onto the tank?
>
Might be easier / cheaper to just put the tank on a non-climbable stand
(securely fastened to the wall). By the time the ankle biter is old enough to
reach the stuff on top, they should be old enough to understand "don't touch the
stuff on top". Worked with both my kids (so far, anyway).

[noboots]

discipline is a better, cheaper more common sense option instead of "buying"
a replacement to parenting skills [lid]


"E.Otter" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
> protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
> build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
could
> lock this lid onto the tank?
>
> Thanks,
> E.Otter
>
>

[Graham Broadbridge]

"noboots" > wrote in message
...
> discipline is a better, cheaper more common sense option instead of
"buying"
> a replacement to parenting skills [lid]

Within boundaries :-)
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html

G.

[RedForeman ©®]

> Within boundaries :-)
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html
>
> G.

That just goes to show society is trying to be a parent to someone else's
kids... That's a shame too, because kids can hide behind the 'law' of the
gov't and not the law of the parents... When you tie the hands of parents,
disallowing them to give discipline to children, your children will have NO
discipline at all... That's where society is heading.... sad isn't it?

--
RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Andy Hill]

"noboots" > wrote:
>"E.Otter" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>> Is it possible to childproof a fish tank lid? Actually I would need to
>> protect access to the lid, light, and hang on filters. Would I have to
>> build a custom lid for this? If so, is there a "latch" I can buy that
>could
>> lock this lid onto the tank?
>
>discipline is a better, cheaper more common sense option instead of "buying"
>a replacement to parenting skills [lid]
>
Suspenders *and* belt, baby (no, not for the discipline). Stories of the form
"my tank was going great until my little brother / sister decided to help feed
the fishies" abound. If you can keep crap from happening, it's cheap insurance.

[bannor]

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:15:54 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> wrote:
>> Within boundaries :-)
>> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html
>>
>> G.
>That just goes to show society is trying to be a parent to someone else's
>kids... That's a shame too, because kids can hide behind the 'law' of the
>gov't and not the law of the parents... When you tie the hands of parents,
>disallowing them to give discipline to children, your children will have NO
>discipline at all... That's where society is heading.... sad isn't it?


Much worse than just sad... Children are showing so much less respect
for adults that I can't believe where we are going in the future.

Sure, I had minor attitude as a child... I was sternly talked to
first... if that didn't work and if whatever I did wrong was severe
enough, I got a 'spanking'. No bruises or permanent marks or
anything... I usually was sent outside to cut a 'switch' from a tree
to be used against me... man, cutting that switch was harder than
getting hit with it... it had to be green enough to bend and not break
when hitting my butt... if it did break, I had to go through the whole
process again...

needless to say, I quickly learned to respect my elders, and to
eventually respect everyone.( Although, I have since lost a large part
of that respect for so-called adults, sad to say) I learned to 'do
unto others as you would want them to do unto you'. Old school stuff.
Don't talk back to a teacher or get your knuckles rapped with a
ruler... and this was in public school, not some private and/or
catholic school where you can expect that sort of punishment.

Now-a-days, if my younger sister were to 'spank' her children, she
would be arrested for abuse... which is totally ludicrous. Not saying
that her kids need that sort of punishment either... just that kids
are now told, every week in school, to report any sort of punishment
and then the entire family is invaded, violated, to determine if there
is actually abuse going on... and of course, the kids that actually
are getting abused, never get the help they need because the 'police'
are tied up checking out my neighbor for spanking her son when he
deliberately threw a rock through a window (whew... say that three
times fast)
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will
proof-read each individual piece at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Boris]

Put a charged wire around the top of the aquarium and jolt the little
*******s. It won't take long before they stay away.

"bannor" <bannor -at- echoes - net - mind the spam block> wrote in
message ...
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:15:54 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> > wrote:
> >> Within boundaries :-)
> >> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html
> >>
> >> G.
> >That just goes to show society is trying to be a parent to someone
else's
> >kids... That's a shame too, because kids can hide behind the 'law' of
the
> >gov't and not the law of the parents... When you tie the hands of
parents,
> >disallowing them to give discipline to children, your children will
have NO
> >discipline at all... That's where society is heading.... sad isn't
it?
>
>
> Much worse than just sad... Children are showing so much less respect
> for adults that I can't believe where we are going in the future.
>
> Sure, I had minor attitude as a child... I was sternly talked to
> first... if that didn't work and if whatever I did wrong was severe
> enough, I got a 'spanking'. No bruises or permanent marks or
> anything... I usually was sent outside to cut a 'switch' from a tree
> to be used against me... man, cutting that switch was harder than
> getting hit with it... it had to be green enough to bend and not break
> when hitting my butt... if it did break, I had to go through the whole
> process again...
>
> needless to say, I quickly learned to respect my elders, and to
> eventually respect everyone.( Although, I have since lost a large part
> of that respect for so-called adults, sad to say) I learned to 'do
> unto others as you would want them to do unto you'. Old school stuff.
> Don't talk back to a teacher or get your knuckles rapped with a
> ruler... and this was in public school, not some private and/or
> catholic school where you can expect that sort of punishment.
>
> Now-a-days, if my younger sister were to 'spank' her children, she
> would be arrested for abuse... which is totally ludicrous. Not saying
> that her kids need that sort of punishment either... just that kids
> are now told, every week in school, to report any sort of punishment
> and then the entire family is invaded, violated, to determine if there
> is actually abuse going on... and of course, the kids that actually
> are getting abused, never get the help they need because the 'police'
> are tied up checking out my neighbor for spanking her son when he
> deliberately threw a rock through a window (whew... say that three
> times fast)
> ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
> "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
> meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
> it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such
equipment.
> By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
> whichever is greater, for each violation."
>
> If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will
> proof-read each individual piece at a rate
> of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Chuck Edwards]

Yea, 440 should work.... think of the insurance money

"Boris" > wrote in message
news:y3sbc.37631$wl1.21153@fed1read06...
> Put a charged wire around the top of the aquarium and jolt the little
> *******s. It won't take long before they stay away.
>
> "bannor" <bannor -at- echoes - net - mind the spam block> wrote in
> message ...
> > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:15:54 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> > > wrote:
> > >> Within boundaries :-)
> > >> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html
> > >>
> > >> G.
> > >That just goes to show society is trying to be a parent to someone
> else's
> > >kids... That's a shame too, because kids can hide behind the 'law' of
> the
> > >gov't and not the law of the parents... When you tie the hands of
> parents,
> > >disallowing them to give discipline to children, your children will
> have NO
> > >discipline at all... That's where society is heading.... sad isn't
> it?
> >
> >
> > Much worse than just sad... Children are showing so much less respect
> > for adults that I can't believe where we are going in the future.
> >
> > Sure, I had minor attitude as a child... I was sternly talked to
> > first... if that didn't work and if whatever I did wrong was severe
> > enough, I got a 'spanking'. No bruises or permanent marks or
> > anything... I usually was sent outside to cut a 'switch' from a tree
> > to be used against me... man, cutting that switch was harder than
> > getting hit with it... it had to be green enough to bend and not break
> > when hitting my butt... if it did break, I had to go through the whole
> > process again...
> >
> > needless to say, I quickly learned to respect my elders, and to
> > eventually respect everyone.( Although, I have since lost a large part
> > of that respect for so-called adults, sad to say) I learned to 'do
> > unto others as you would want them to do unto you'. Old school stuff.
> > Don't talk back to a teacher or get your knuckles rapped with a
> > ruler... and this was in public school, not some private and/or
> > catholic school where you can expect that sort of punishment.
> >
> > Now-a-days, if my younger sister were to 'spank' her children, she
> > would be arrested for abuse... which is totally ludicrous. Not saying
> > that her kids need that sort of punishment either... just that kids
> > are now told, every week in school, to report any sort of punishment
> > and then the entire family is invaded, violated, to determine if there
> > is actually abuse going on... and of course, the kids that actually
> > are getting abused, never get the help they need because the 'police'
> > are tied up checking out my neighbor for spanking her son when he
> > deliberately threw a rock through a window (whew... say that three
> > times fast)
> > ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
> > "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
> > meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
> > it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such
> equipment.
> > By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> > punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
> > whichever is greater, for each violation."
> >
> > If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will
> > proof-read each individual piece at a rate
> > of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).
>
>

[coelacanth]

"bannor" <bannor -at- echoes - net - mind the spam block> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:15:54 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> > wrote:
>>> Within boundaries :-)
>>> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/02/1080544677836.html
>>>
>>> G.
>>That just goes to show society is trying to be a parent to someone else's
>>kids... That's a shame too, because kids can hide behind the 'law' of the
>>gov't and not the law of the parents... When you tie the hands of parents,
>>disallowing them to give discipline to children, your children will have
>>NO
>>discipline at all... That's where society is heading.... sad isn't it?
>
>
> Much worse than just sad... Children are showing so much less respect
> for adults that I can't believe where we are going in the future.
>
> Sure, I had minor attitude as a child... I was sternly talked to
> first... if that didn't work and if whatever I did wrong was severe
> enough, I got a 'spanking'. No bruises or permanent marks or
> anything... I usually was sent outside to cut a 'switch' from a tree
> to be used against me... man, cutting that switch was harder than
> getting hit with it... it had to be green enough to bend and not break
> when hitting my butt... if it did break, I had to go through the whole
> process again...
>
> needless to say, I quickly learned to respect my elders, and to
> eventually respect everyone.( Although, I have since lost a large part
> of that respect for so-called adults, sad to say) I learned to 'do
> unto others as you would want them to do unto you'. Old school stuff.
> Don't talk back to a teacher or get your knuckles rapped with a
> ruler... and this was in public school, not some private and/or
> catholic school where you can expect that sort of punishment.
>
> Now-a-days, if my younger sister were to 'spank' her children, she
> would be arrested for abuse... which is totally ludicrous. Not saying
> that her kids need that sort of punishment either... just that kids
> are now told, every week in school, to report any sort of punishment
> and then the entire family is invaded, violated, to determine if there
> is actually abuse going on... and of course, the kids that actually
> are getting abused, never get the help they need because the 'police'
> are tied up checking out my neighbor for spanking her son when he
> deliberately threw a rock through a window (whew... say that three
> times fast)
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You know guys, this theoretical discussion of child raising from
by two people without children lacks a little reality. I have
NEVER struck my kids--I have always treated them the way
I want them to treat me. They have been firmly raised with
immediate non-physical consequences to misdeeds and bad
behavior. The result is two very well behaved, polite kids
who manage to impress even the octogenarians in the
neighborhood with their politeness and thoughtfulness.

Hitting a kid like the woman in Sydney is not usually done
for discipline but because the mother is embarrassed by her kid.
Getting into that situation is the result of inattentive
parenting--hitting him crosses the line to bad parenting.
All it teaches the kid is that if you are righteously angry
then use of force is justified.

My wife was never spanked as a kids, she turned out okay.
I was spanked as a kid, I turned out okay. But my wife has
no memories of her parents rage driving them to inflict pain.
On the whole, kids can survive anything, but do we really
have to test then so brutally?

Discipline can be creative and make a point clearly without
being physical, if you are smarter than the average three
year old.

-coelacanth

[Donald K]

coelacanth wrote:

> You know guys, this theoretical discussion of child raising from
> by two people without children lacks a little reality.

Parenting advice from people without kids gets less of my attention than
say... marital advice from a priest.

-D
--
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the effort." -Herm Albright