Re: Clown Loaches have Ich

[Rick]

"Paul" > wrote in message
...
> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
>
> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how to treat
> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know, does having
> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
>

no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick Qure, days
1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.

Rick

[Victor Martinez]

Raise the temp as high as your other fish will allow and use medication
specifically formulated for scaless fish. Maracide is quite good. Be
sure to follow the instructions and medicate for at least a week.


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[Paul]

Rick wrote in message ...
>
>"Paul" > wrote in message
...
>> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
>>
>> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how to
treat
>> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know, does
having
>> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
>>
>
>no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick Qure, days
>1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
>
>Rick


the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my bio
filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle again?

surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling process if
this is the case??

surely not?! surely!!!

[Polarhound]

Paul wrote:
> Rick wrote in message ...
>
>>"Paul" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>*sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
>>>
>>>getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how to
>
> treat
>
>>>it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know, does
>
> having
>
>>>tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
>>>
>>
>>no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick Qure, days
>>1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
>>
>>Rick
>
>
>
> the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my bio
> filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle again?
>
> surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling process if
> this is the case??
>
> surely not?! surely!!!

You can always grab some gravel from another established tank to reseed.

[Victor Martinez]

Paul wrote:
> the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my bio
> filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle again?

Your biofilter will not be affected at all. However, formalin is not
very good for loaches and other scaleless fish.

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[Rick]

"Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> Rick wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
> >>
> >> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how to
> treat
> >> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know, does
> having
> >> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
> >>
> >
> >no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick Qure,
days
> >1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
> >
> >Rick
>
>
> the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my bio
> filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle again?
>
> surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling process if
> this is the case??
>
> surely not?! surely!!!
>
>
>
Quick Cure is for use on Parasites and Non bacterial fungal infections and
will not disrupt your bio. I have used it with no problem several times. It
is perfectly safe for use with Clown Loaches and Tetras but at half dosage
or one drop per two gallons.

Rick

Rick

[BigBadGourami]

I've actually had better success treating loaches with aquarisol. I would
turn the heater up as high as 90 degrees, clown loaches can thrive in quite
a bit of heat, and use two 1/2 doses of aquarisol per day until all the
spots are gone. Took about 5 days with my latest bout. I also add about 1
tablespoon per 5 gallons of rock salt. After all spots are gone treat at
1/2 strength every other day for a total of about 2 weeks. The only
concern is that you water treatment will neutralize the copper in the
aquarisol. As a result, I dechlorinate my water by aeration instead when
doing a waterchange during treatment. All 4 of my clown loaches survived
this latest bout as well as the pl#co that started it all.


"Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> Rick wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
> >>
> >> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how to
> treat
> >> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know, does
> having
> >> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
> >>
> >
> >no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick Qure,
days
> >1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
> >
> >Rick
>
>
> the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my bio
> filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle again?
>
> surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling process if
> this is the case??
>
> surely not?! surely!!!
>
>
>
>

[NetMax]

Hmm, good point about de-chlor's detoxifying effect on copper. I used
Aquarisol today for a mild protozoan's infliction, but I think the tank
had not received Aqua-Plus for at least a week, so I might be ok.
Aquarisol, being copper based, might be a very good cheap choice for
loaches.

Today was an average day at work. Aquarisol for Costas, Quick Cure for
Ich, Neomycin for dropsy, Ammo-lock on a cycling tank and lots of
de-chlor. It's a good thing I don't believe in using too much chemicals
;~)

NetMax


"BigBadGourami" > wrote in message
news:SW4ac.32480$K91.91363@attbi_s02...
> I've actually had better success treating loaches with aquarisol. I
would
> turn the heater up as high as 90 degrees, clown loaches can thrive in
quite
> a bit of heat, and use two 1/2 doses of aquarisol per day until all the
> spots are gone. Took about 5 days with my latest bout. I also add
about 1
> tablespoon per 5 gallons of rock salt. After all spots are gone treat
at
> 1/2 strength every other day for a total of about 2 weeks. The only
> concern is that you water treatment will neutralize the copper in the
> aquarisol. As a result, I dechlorinate my water by aeration instead
when
> doing a waterchange during treatment. All 4 of my clown loaches
survived
> this latest bout as well as the pl#co that started it all.
>
>
> "Paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Rick wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >"Paul" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
> > >>
> > >> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how
to
> > treat
> > >> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know,
does
> > having
> > >> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
> > >>
> > >
> > >no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick
Qure,
> days
> > >1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
> > >
> > >Rick
> >
> >
> > the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my
bio
> > filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle
again?
> >
> > surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling
process if
> > this is the case??
> >
> > surely not?! surely!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Paul]

NetMax wrote in message ...
>Hmm, good point about de-chlor's detoxifying effect on copper. I used
>Aquarisol today for a mild protozoan's infliction, but I think the tank
>had not received Aqua-Plus for at least a week, so I might be ok.
>Aquarisol, being copper based, might be a very good cheap choice for
>loaches.
>
>Today was an average day at work. Aquarisol for Costas, Quick Cure for
>Ich, Neomycin for dropsy, Ammo-lock on a cycling tank and lots of
>de-chlor. It's a good thing I don't believe in using too much chemicals
>;~)
>
>NetMax
>
>
>"BigBadGourami" > wrote in message
>news:SW4ac.32480$K91.91363@attbi_s02...
>> I've actually had better success treating loaches with aquarisol. I
>would
>> turn the heater up as high as 90 degrees, clown loaches can thrive in
>quite
>> a bit of heat, and use two 1/2 doses of aquarisol per day until all the
>> spots are gone. Took about 5 days with my latest bout. I also add
>about 1
>> tablespoon per 5 gallons of rock salt. After all spots are gone treat
>at
>> 1/2 strength every other day for a total of about 2 weeks. The only
>> concern is that you water treatment will neutralize the copper in the
>> aquarisol. As a result, I dechlorinate my water by aeration instead
>when
>> doing a waterchange during treatment. All 4 of my clown loaches
>survived
>> this latest bout as well as the pl#co that started it all.
>>
>>
>> "Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Rick wrote in message ...
>> > >
>> > >"Paul" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
>> > >>
>> > >> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how
>to
>> > treat
>> > >> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know,
>does
>> > having
>> > >> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick
>Qure,
>> days
>> > >1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
>> > >
>> > >Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my
>bio
>> > filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle
>again?
>> >
>> > surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling
>process if
>> > this is the case??
>> >
>> > surely not?! surely!!!
>> >

the product I am using is called Aqua master rapid white spot remedy, active
ingredients 37 mg/L Formaldehyde and 0.32 mg/L Malachite green. I have
treated at half dose initially, then upped the anti 5 hours later with about
1/8 dose, and then again this morning with another 1/5 dose. The reason for
the top up is because the loaches seemed to have worsened over night, but
today seem to be doing ok. they have stopped scratching now, but the white
spots are yet to receed. hopefully will be ok. I will 50% water change
tomorrow and then retreat with a 5/8 dose of med.

on a happier note, I stripped my red zebra last night, I thought she was
holding only 1 or two fry, I was mainly stripping her so she could eat
again, she'd been holding for nearly 4 weeks. turns out, to my suprise, 10
little orange fry swam out of her mouth!! I'm pleased as punch. last lot of
fry I stripped from my two Eureka red females died from the tank being only
99% cycled (traces of nitrite <0.5ppm), these guys are in a basket in the
main tank, everything ok so far, I need to go buy some brine shrimp eggs now
to feed.

p.s. this will appear in the cichlid group as well :-)

[Tim Voet]

Victor Martinez wrote:
> Raise the temp as high as your other fish will allow and use medication
> specifically formulated for scaless fish. Maracide is quite good. Be
> sure to follow the instructions and medicate for at least a week.
>
>
I have had good success with Sera CostaPur. Raising Temperatures to
86~90, and add 1 tablespoon of Aquarium Salt per 5 gallons. Safe to
treat all my fish, Clown Loaches, tetras, some stripped snails, and my
gold nugget pleco. No fatalities.

Tim

[Dick]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:51:11 -0500, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>Hmm, good point about de-chlor's detoxifying effect on copper. I used
>Aquarisol today for a mild protozoan's infliction, but I think the tank
>had not received Aqua-Plus for at least a week, so I might be ok.
>Aquarisol, being copper based, might be a very good cheap choice for
>loaches.
>
>Today was an average day at work. Aquarisol for Costas, Quick Cure for
>Ich, Neomycin for dropsy, Ammo-lock on a cycling tank and lots of
>de-chlor. It's a good thing I don't believe in using too much chemicals
>;~)
>
>NetMax
>
>
>"BigBadGourami" > wrote in message
>news:SW4ac.32480$K91.91363@attbi_s02...
>> I've actually had better success treating loaches with aquarisol. I
>would
>> turn the heater up as high as 90 degrees, clown loaches can thrive in
>quite
>> a bit of heat, and use two 1/2 doses of aquarisol per day until all the
>> spots are gone. Took about 5 days with my latest bout. I also add
>about 1
>> tablespoon per 5 gallons of rock salt. After all spots are gone treat
>at
>> 1/2 strength every other day for a total of about 2 weeks. The only
>> concern is that you water treatment will neutralize the copper in the
>> aquarisol. As a result, I dechlorinate my water by aeration instead
>when
>> doing a waterchange during treatment. All 4 of my clown loaches
>survived
>> this latest bout as well as the pl#co that started it all.
>>
>>
>> "Paul" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Rick wrote in message ...
>> > >
>> > >"Paul" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >> *sigh* I knew I should have stayed with cichlids!!
>> > >>
>> > >> getting back to the office tank, the loaches have ich. I know how
>to
>> > treat
>> > >> it, I've read all about it on this group, I just want to know,
>does
>> > having
>> > >> tetras, gouramis or catfish complicate things at all?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >no, you need to treat the whole tank anyways. Half dose of Quick
>Qure,
>> days
>> > >1, 4 7, 10, with water change in between.
>> > >
>> > >Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > the stuff I got has malacite and formulin in it.. this is bad for my
>bio
>> > filtration right? I am going to have to undergo a complete cycle
>again?
>> >
>> > surely the good of the medication is negated by the re-cycling
>process if
>> > this is the case??
>> >
>> > surely not?! surely!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
Hi NetMax, believe it or not, I do not consider medication as
chemicals. I take plenty of those myself.

For Ich, I keep Rid Ich plus on hand. I have used it twice when I was
first buying fish. Haven't needed it for over 9 months. I used it to
treat Clown Loaches in my 75 gallon tank. It was the only tank I had
at that time, so I treated it.

I pulled the filter out and replaced it with one I had removed the
charcoal from. Rid Ich blues the water, but does not stain.
I was worried about my Plecos and Cory cats, but they had no problems.

[Graham Broadbridge]

> >Today was an average day at work. Aquarisol for Costas, Quick Cure for
> >Ich, Neomycin for dropsy, Ammo-lock on a cycling tank and lots of
> >de-chlor. It's a good thing I don't believe in using too much chemicals
> >;~)

I'm tempted to hammer you for what I consider to be a very heavy dose of
medication for your tanks. Then again I know what a good job you do and
maybe I'm being too fussy.

Do me a favour and cut back on the de-chlorinators :-)

Graham.

[NetMax]

"Graham Broadbridge" > wrote in message
...
> > >Today was an average day at work. Aquarisol for Costas, Quick Cure
for
> > >Ich, Neomycin for dropsy, Ammo-lock on a cycling tank and lots of
> > >de-chlor. It's a good thing I don't believe in using too much
chemicals
> > >;~)
>
> I'm tempted to hammer you for what I consider to be a very heavy dose
of
> medication for your tanks. Then again I know what a good job you do
and
> maybe I'm being too fussy.
>
> Do me a favour and cut back on the de-chlorinators :-)
>
> Graham.

LOL, that medication was divided up to about 6 tanks out of 107 in
operation. Occasionally, there isn't a single fish under medication, but
it happens far too infrequently, and doesn't last long with 4 different
deliveries a week. I've gotten into the routine of running parallel
tanks for some fish. For example, Otos are in two tanks, one tank filled
with gaunt pale fish (quarantined new arrivals) and the other filled with
plump ones with dark stripes (for sale after being babied for at least 2
weeks). I'm starting to get somewhat proficient at running a fish-room.

NetMax