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Chris Palma
March 30th 04, 10:11 PM
Hi all.

First of all, thanks to everyone for all the great replies to the number
of other threads I've started. I wanted to post a quick update, and ask
for suggestions of whether I should be happy with how things are now, or
if I should continue to tinker.

I have a 75 gallon aquarium, and I did a fishless cycle that ended about a
month ago. I stocked pretty quickly, and decided to choose different
breeds of dwarf fish. I ended up with the following mix:

9 honey gouramis (two different colorations)

10 threadfin rainbows

8 pygmy corydoras

4 fancy guppies (my wife really wanted these -- they're the only fish I'm
not completely happy with keeping)

2 Otos

4 Dicrossus maculatus cichlids (my LFS convinced me these would be a good
mix to add to my tank. From what I have read they would prefer more acid
water, but they seem to be ok so far. It also seems like I was lucky to
find these -- it doesn't seem that they are a very common fish.)


The rest of the aquarium includes 5 silk plants, 3 floating plastic plants
(for the gouramis, and they have definitely taken over this territory),
and 2 live plants (Java fern & Java sword). I also added two big pieces
of driftwood I bought from the LFS. One is still adding tannins to the
water, but I've been doing 20% or so water changes when it seems to be
getting too dark.

My water parameters have been pretty steady. I measure 0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
nitrites, my pH dropped slowly from 7.6 to 7.2 after adding the driftwood,
and the hardness is medium hard - hard. I haven't measured nitrates
because I don't have a test kit yet.

I've unfortunately had two casualties -- one Oto died about a week after I
added him to the tank. It looked like he may have had a wound near his
tail, but I didn't find him right away so I don't know if he got nipped,
or if the wound came after he died. I've also found one dead pygmy cory.
I have a heck of a time counting the corys, but it seems to me like I
never see the 7 that are left, so I'm a bit worried that 1-2 of my other
corys may also no longer be with me. My other worry is that one of the
gouramis is much smaller & thinner than the rest, and I wonder if he is
normal and will grow, or if he is as frail as his thinness makes him
appear.

If you've made it this far, here are my questions:

1) Any ideas about cause of death for my Oto and/or the cory? Do you
think it was natural causes, or should I be worried that someone is
picking on the catfish?

2) I want to add more fish and I think I'm going to start with more corys
& Otos. Is this a good idea? Should I be happy with the 30 odd fish I
have now and leave things be?

3) I think I can still reasonably increase my fishload because none of
the fish are that big. If my LFS ever gets pygmy rasboras, I'd love to
add those, but in the meantime I would also like to add a few more
threadfins and perhaps something entirely different. Any suggestions
here? How close do you think I am to being overstocked? My filter is an
aquaclear 100, which should be able to keep up with a fully stocked 75.

Last point here -- I don't have a quarantine tank. I'm reasonably
confident that the fish at my LFS are as healthy as at any good LFS, but I
know that this is no guarantee.

4) Lastly, if I do add more live plants, does it matter if I do that
before, after, or at the same time as adding more fish?

I realize this is long, but I promised an update, so here it is. If
anyone feels like responding to any of this, I'd appreciate it!

--chris




NB: This email address is dead. If you would like to email me directly,
please use: cpalmaATSYMBOLastro.psu.edu

w
March 31st 04, 04:14 AM
"Chris Palma" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all.
>
> First of all, thanks to everyone for all the great replies to the number
> of other threads I've started. I wanted to post a quick update, and ask
> for suggestions of whether I should be happy with how things are now, or
> if I should continue to tinker.
>
> I have a 75 gallon aquarium, and I did a fishless cycle that ended about a
> month ago. I stocked pretty quickly, and decided to choose different
> breeds of dwarf fish. I ended up with the following mix:
>
> 9 honey gouramis (two different colorations)
>
> 10 threadfin rainbows
>
> 8 pygmy corydoras
>
> 4 fancy guppies (my wife really wanted these -- they're the only fish I'm
> not completely happy with keeping)
>
> 2 Otos
>
> 4 Dicrossus maculatus cichlids (my LFS convinced me these would be a good
> mix to add to my tank. From what I have read they would prefer more acid
> water, but they seem to be ok so far. It also seems like I was lucky to
> find these -- it doesn't seem that they are a very common fish.)
>
>
> The rest of the aquarium includes 5 silk plants, 3 floating plastic plants
> (for the gouramis, and they have definitely taken over this territory),
> and 2 live plants (Java fern & Java sword). I also added two big pieces
> of driftwood I bought from the LFS. One is still adding tannins to the
> water, but I've been doing 20% or so water changes when it seems to be
> getting too dark.
>
> My water parameters have been pretty steady. I measure 0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
> nitrites, my pH dropped slowly from 7.6 to 7.2 after adding the driftwood,
> and the hardness is medium hard - hard. I haven't measured nitrates
> because I don't have a test kit yet.
>
> I've unfortunately had two casualties -- one Oto died about a week after I
> added him to the tank. It looked like he may have had a wound near his
> tail, but I didn't find him right away so I don't know if he got nipped,
> or if the wound came after he died. I've also found one dead pygmy cory.
> I have a heck of a time counting the corys, but it seems to me like I
> never see the 7 that are left, so I'm a bit worried that 1-2 of my other
> corys may also no longer be with me. My other worry is that one of the
> gouramis is much smaller & thinner than the rest, and I wonder if he is
> normal and will grow, or if he is as frail as his thinness makes him
> appear.
>
> If you've made it this far, here are my questions:
>
> 1) Any ideas about cause of death for my Oto and/or the cory? Do you
> think it was natural causes, or should I be worried that someone is
> picking on the catfish?

Oto's are notorious for dieing, mine died after a trip home from the lfs so
yours was probably natural causes or stress. I have cory's and oto's with a
bunch of gourami's. I've never seen the cory's get picked on, the gourami's
dont even seem to notice them unless they are feeding off the bottom. even
then theres no fighting.

> 2) I want to add more fish and I think I'm going to start with more corys
> & Otos. Is this a good idea? Should I be happy with the 30 odd fish I
> have now and leave things be?

I think you could add more. cory's dont get that big and i think honey
gourami's are dwarfs. Some people suggest to have one inch of fish for each
gallon.

>
> 3) I think I can still reasonably increase my fishload because none of
> the fish are that big. If my LFS ever gets pygmy rasboras, I'd love to
> add those, but in the meantime I would also like to add a few more
> threadfins and perhaps something entirely different. Any suggestions
> here? How close do you think I am to being overstocked? My filter is an
> aquaclear 100, which should be able to keep up with a fully stocked 75.

I have a synadontis petricola (sp?) that i like. I also have some female
betta's, and some paradise fish. I have some julii and panda cory's that
are pretty active too. Ive been trying to find a zebra loach without any
luck. I dont think your filter's all that powerful, i cant remember what
its stats are though. I have a aquaclear 300 on a 33 gallon though.

>
> Last point here -- I don't have a quarantine tank. I'm reasonably
> confident that the fish at my LFS are as healthy as at any good LFS, but I
> know that this is no guarantee.

A quarantine tank is a cheap investment and easy to set up. If even one of
your fish gets sick you'd have to treat 75 gallons instead of 5.

>
> 4) Lastly, if I do add more live plants, does it matter if I do that
> before, after, or at the same time as adding more fish?
>

i dont thin kit matters. I like to stagger when i add things just in case
theres a problem i can narrow it down faster. I've gradually replaced my
fake plants and like how it looks. live plants also have other benefits,
the fish seem to like them too. W.

> I realize this is long, but I promised an update, so here it is. If
> anyone feels like responding to any of this, I'd appreciate it!
>
> --chris
>
>
>
>
> NB: This email address is dead. If you would like to email me directly,
> please use: cpalmaATSYMBOLastro.psu.edu
>

Chris Palma
March 31st 04, 05:54 AM
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, w wrote:

>
> I have a synadontis petricola (sp?) that i like. I also have some female
> betta's, and some paradise fish. I have some julii and panda cory's that
> are pretty active too. Ive been trying to find a zebra loach without any
> luck. I dont think your filter's all that powerful, i cant remember what
> its stats are though. I have a aquaclear 300 on a 33 gallon though.
>

OOPS! I meant an Aquaclear *300*, not 100. I think it is supposed to be
capable of filtering up to 100 gallons.

--chris




NB: This email address is dead. If you would like to email me directly,
please use: cpalmaATSYMBOLastro.psu.edu

RedForeman ©®
March 31st 04, 04:48 PM
> 1) Any ideas about cause of death for my Oto and/or the cory? Do you
> think it was natural causes, or should I be worried that someone is
> picking on the catfish?

Typical for these two... pygmys are as notorious as Otos for keeling over...
no real reason, except common stress, osmotic shock from tank to
transporting, to tank, to transporting...etc...

> 2) I want to add more fish and I think I'm going to start with more
> corys & Otos. Is this a good idea? Should I be happy with the 30
> odd fish I have now and leave things be?

Otos as cories, like to be in groups, 3-4 of each minimum...

> 3) I think I can still reasonably increase my fishload because none
> of the fish are that big. If my LFS ever gets pygmy rasboras, I'd
> love to add those, but in the meantime I would also like to add a few
> more threadfins and perhaps something entirely different. Any
> suggestions here? How close do you think I am to being overstocked?
> My filter is an aquaclear 100, which should be able to keep up with a
> fully stocked 75.
>
> Last point here -- I don't have a quarantine tank. I'm reasonably
> confident that the fish at my LFS are as healthy as at any good LFS,
> but I know that this is no guarantee.
>
> 4) Lastly, if I do add more live plants, does it matter if I do that
> before, after, or at the same time as adding more fish?

Plants help stabilize the toxins, keeping them in check so to speak.. add as
many as you can afford...

Vicki
April 1st 04, 02:49 AM
"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message >...
> > 1) Any ideas about cause of death for my Oto and/or the cory? Do you
> > think it was natural causes, or should I be worried that someone is
> > picking on the catfish?
>
> Typical for these two... pygmys are as notorious as Otos for keeling over...
> no real reason, except common stress, osmotic shock from tank to
> transporting, to tank, to transporting...etc...
>
> > 2) I want to add more fish and I think I'm going to start with more
> > corys & Otos. Is this a good idea? Should I be happy with the 30
> > odd fish I have now and leave things be?
>
> Otos as cories, like to be in groups, 3-4 of each minimum...
>
> > 3) I think I can still reasonably increase my fishload because none
> > of the fish are that big. If my LFS ever gets pygmy rasboras, I'd
> > love to add those, but in the meantime I would also like to add a few
> > more threadfins and perhaps something entirely different. Any
> > suggestions here? How close do you think I am to being overstocked?
> > My filter is an aquaclear 100, which should be able to keep up with a
> > fully stocked 75.
> >
> > Last point here -- I don't have a quarantine tank. I'm reasonably
> > confident that the fish at my LFS are as healthy as at any good LFS,
> > but I know that this is no guarantee.
> >
> > 4) Lastly, if I do add more live plants, does it matter if I do that
> > before, after, or at the same time as adding more fish?
>
> Plants help stabilize the toxins, keeping them in check so to speak.. add as
> many as you can afford...

I second Red's statment on keeping live plants in the tank. You will
not be sorry and there are many plants which do not need any special
lighting besides a full spectrum bulb. You don't have to add them in
any special order so if you find a nice plant when you are out looking
for fish it will be ok. If I may, I would suggest a few amazon
swards, anubas, crypts or any of the low light plants out there.

Enjoy your tank,
Vicki

Elizabeth Naime
April 2nd 04, 12:53 AM
Quoth "RedForeman ©®" > on Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:48:25
-0500,

>> 4) Lastly, if I do add more live plants, does it matter if I do that
>> before, after, or at the same time as adding more fish?
>
>Plants help stabilize the toxins, keeping them in check so to speak.. add as
>many as you can afford...

And whenever you can afford them. ;-)



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