Dying Rainbow Shark

[Fishpaste]

I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
juvenile rainbow sharks and for 3 days they looked great. Next morning
the larger one was dead. The following day another one died in a 4 hour
time span, when I had looked in on them before they looked fine. I
examined the dead ones and could see no trauma or sign of disease. I
don't know why they are dying. A year before I had tried to keep
rainbow sharks and the exact same thing happened. They all died within
days yet looked fine shortly beforehand. I got replacements and they
died too. I took them all in to the fish store with a water sample and
they all were stumped, could not find anything wrong. Any idea what
could be going on? Thanks!

[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Fishpaste" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
> have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
> juvenile rainbow sharks and for 3 days they looked great. Next morning
> the larger one was dead. The following day another one died in a 4 hour
> time span, when I had looked in on them before they looked fine. I
> examined the dead ones and could see no trauma or sign of disease. I
> don't know why they are dying. A year before I had tried to keep
> rainbow sharks and the exact same thing happened. They all died within
> days yet looked fine shortly beforehand. I got replacements and they
> died too. I took them all in to the fish store with a water sample and
> they all were stumped, could not find anything wrong. Any idea what
> could be going on? Thanks!
=================================
Did you spend time acclimating them to your water? I know if I don't do
that for an hour or more with new GF I will lose some. They will die over
a period of a few days. They used to call it PH shock but more is involved
(dissolved solids). As for PH, mine ranges from 7.5 to near 8 at times and
our water is very hard. One LFS has a PH of 6.8 with soft water. I don't
even buy fish there anymore.

Koi-Lo....
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[Zircon]

Nobody here cares and anyone else thatb is here is just lying to you,
especially any named Koi Lo or Carol Gulley or Charlie or any of the
others that pay homeage to Google. On 24 May 2006 11:10:13 -0700,
"Fishpaste" > wrote:
>><>I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
>><>have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
>><>juvenile rainbow sharks and for 3 days they looked great. Next morning
>><>the larger one was dead. The following day another one died in a 4 hour
>><>time span, when I had looked in on them before they looked fine. I
>><>examined the dead ones and could see no trauma or sign of disease. I
>><>don't know why they are dying. A year before I had tried to keep
>><>rainbow sharks and the exact same thing happened. They all died within
>><>days yet looked fine shortly beforehand. I got replacements and they
>><>died too. I took them all in to the fish store with a water sample and
>><>they all were stumped, could not find anything wrong. Any idea what
>><>could be going on? Thanks!

[Zircon]

LIsten tothis fool and y ou wil definately have problems with any
fish, She is a patholgical liar and sociopath hellbend on destroying
any and all groups that she dissagrees with. See all the crap yu had
to wade through to find the post you made........its all attributed to
Koi Lo aka carol gulley the usenet ho.

On Wed, 24 May 2006 13:24:14 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <ZZZZ> wrote:
>><>*Note: There are two *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>><>
>><>"Fishpaste" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>><>>I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
>><>> have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
>><>> juvenile rainbow sharks and for 3 days they looked great. Next morning
>><>> the larger one was dead. The following day another one died in a 4 hour
>><>> time span, when I had looked in on them before they looked fine. I
>><>> examined the dead ones and could see no trauma or sign of disease. I
>><>> don't know why they are dying. A year before I had tried to keep
>><>> rainbow sharks and the exact same thing happened. They all died within
>><>> days yet looked fine shortly beforehand. I got replacements and they
>><>> died too. I took them all in to the fish store with a water sample and
>><>> they all were stumped, could not find anything wrong. Any idea what
>><>> could be going on? Thanks!
>><>=================================
>><>Did you spend time acclimating them to your water? I know if I don't do
>><>that for an hour or more with new GF I will lose some. They will die over
>><>a period of a few days. They used to call it PH shock but more is involved
>><>(dissolved solids). As for PH, mine ranges from 7.5 to near 8 at times and
>><>our water is very hard. One LFS has a PH of 6.8 with soft water. I don't
>><>even buy fish there anymore.
>><>
>><>Koi-Lo....
>><>Aquariums since 1952. Frugal ponding since 1995.
>><>My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>><>Disclaimer:
>><>I do not post from Google, Earthlink, Usenetzone or Verizon.
>><>Rude, inane or obscene messages are not mine .
>><>The person impersonating me is posting through Earthlink.net.
>><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~{@ ~~~~~<~~{@ ~~~<~~{@
>><>
>><>
>><>

[Doc Holliday]

It would do well on your part to try and match the water your LFS has.
Its more stressful trying to create the fish's natural water chemistry
than it is to introduce him from the retailer's water to your water. And
yes, acclimation is all too important. You didn't mention your frequency
of water changes, filter setup and quality...could you have a sulfar
problem perhaps? Let us know your maintenance practices and lets see if
we can narrow this problem down so you can start keeping Sharks again.
They make a great aquarium presence.

[Doc Holliday]

sulfur (msp..sorry)

[Fishpaste]

When I took my tank water sample to the LFS where I got the sharks, the
guy said my water was perfect. Also I tested my tank water against the
water in the bag with the fish and the chemistry was very close. My
water was just slightly more acidic than the LFS. Plus I spent over an
hour acclimatizing them before adding to the tank. My tank water tends
to be quite hard. I have shells in the tank to help buffer, and keep
the water neutral to alkaline, yet it sometimes goes slightly acidic. I
use Aquaclear 500 filter. I vaccum the excess debris every 6 mo. or
more often if it looks like it needs it. I don't do many water changes,
I just usually top up evaporated water. I've run the same tank for 7
years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
sharks.

[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.*

"Fishpaste" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> When I took my tank water sample to the LFS where I got the sharks, the
> guy said my water was perfect. Also I tested my tank water against the
> water in the bag with the fish and the chemistry was very close. My
> water was just slightly more acidic than the LFS. Plus I spent over an
> hour acclimatizing them before adding to the tank. My tank water tends
> to be quite hard. I have shells in the tank to help buffer, and keep
> the water neutral to alkaline, yet it sometimes goes slightly acidic. I
> use Aquaclear 500 filter. I vaccum the excess debris every 6 mo. or
> more often if it looks like it needs it. I don't do many water changes,
> I just usually top up evaporated water. I've run the same tank for 7
> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
> sharks.
==================
Most people who were on this group recommended more frequent partial water
changes to prevent "old tank syndrome." After being in your tank for a long
time the water gets denser from dissolved solids that the filter doesn't
remove. It also gets harder and may also get more acidic from decaying
plant matter and fish feces. Most people probably wouldn't consider this
very healthy water. Perhaps you can try vacuuming bi-weekly at the least
and do weekly 25% water changes to help remove all these things that are
collecting in your water.

Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952. Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Disclaimer: I do not post from Google, Earthlink, Usenetzone or Verizon.
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>

[Doc Holliday]

On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:25:16 -0500, Fishpaste > wrote:

> When I took my tank water sample to the LFS where I got the sharks, the
> guy said my water was perfect. Also I tested my tank water against the
> water in the bag with the fish and the chemistry was very close. My
> water was just slightly more acidic than the LFS. Plus I spent over an
> hour acclimatizing them before adding to the tank. My tank water tends
> to be quite hard. I have shells in the tank to help buffer, and keep
> the water neutral to alkaline, yet it sometimes goes slightly acidic. I
> use Aquaclear 500 filter. I vaccum the excess debris every 6 mo. or

Increase the vaccuming. To be truthful, I wave my hand over the bottom
several times to stir up the waste, then let the HOB filter clean it up,
then I proceed with a good 25% water change every month.

> more often if it looks like it needs it. I don't do many water changes,
> I just usually top up evaporated water.

This will lead to problems. The water evaporates, making the
contaminates' ratio that much higher. They must be 'diluted' monthly.
Only a water CHANGE can provide this. You'll see some post about
TDS..total dissolved solids..this is the area of topic they're addressing.
Good Water is to fish, just as clean air is to humans. Simple. Improving
your water changing schedules will have a dramatic improvement on your
tankmates and they will show it through their activity and personality.

> I've run the same tank for 7
> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
> sharks.
>

Hang in there and visit the other forums. There are some dedicated
experts in this field that give their time freely and this kind of puzzle
will be narrowed down soon enough. Be ready for water changing and call
the LFS to hold somemore Rainbows!

-

[Far Thunder]

Agree with the other reply regarding increasing frequency of water
changes. Also you still didn't give any measurements of testing? "fine"
and "perfect" aren't too precise. Google "old tank syndrome" . Whatever
is going on with the sharks, don't you think a 30G tank is/will be a bit
overloaded with the fish you list as having plus adding? IME once the
cichlids mature, you won't have 3 of them any longer, or much of anything
else. For that matter, I'd look at them as suspect for harassing/killing
your catfish sharks. Take alook at what you want to do with your tank and
get a bigger one accordingly ;)

HTH
lila pilamaya


"Doc Holliday" > wrote in message
news:op.s92p6lsi4bl32q@-bitnf7...
On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:25:16 -0500, Fishpaste >
wrote:

> When I took my tank water sample to the LFS where I got the sharks, the
> guy said my water was perfect. Also I tested my tank water against the
> water in the bag with the fish and the chemistry was very close. My
> water was just slightly more acidic than the LFS. Plus I spent over an
> hour acclimatizing them before adding to the tank. My tank water tends
> to be quite hard. I have shells in the tank to help buffer, and keep
> the water neutral to alkaline, yet it sometimes goes slightly acidic. I
> use Aquaclear 500 filter. I vaccum the excess debris every 6 mo. or

Increase the vaccuming. To be truthful, I wave my hand over the bottom
several times to stir up the waste, then let the HOB filter clean it up,
then I proceed with a good 25% water change every month.

> more often if it looks like it needs it. I don't do many water changes,
> I just usually top up evaporated water.

This will lead to problems. The water evaporates, making the
contaminates' ratio that much higher. They must be 'diluted' monthly.
Only a water CHANGE can provide this. You'll see some post about
TDS..total dissolved solids..this is the area of topic they're
addressing.
Good Water is to fish, just as clean air is to humans. Simple.
Improving
your water changing schedules will have a dramatic improvement on your
tankmates and they will show it through their activity and personality.

> I've run the same tank for 7
> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
> sharks.
>

Hang in there and visit the other forums. There are some dedicated
experts in this field that give their time freely and this kind of puzzle
will be narrowed down soon enough. Be ready for water changing and call
the LFS to hold somemore Rainbows!

-

[Dr Engelbert Buxbaum]

Fishpaste wrote:

> I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
> have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
> juvenile rainbow sharks

> I don't do many water changes,
> I just usually top up evaporated water. I've run the same tank for 7
> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
> sharks.

So in effect you are trying to run an "old water tank". This can be done
if you have plenty of live plants and only few fish. Then the plants
will use up most of the waste produced by the fishes. However, your tank
seems overstocked even if frequent water changes were done. There is a
rule of thumb that if you add up the (adult) lengths of all your fishes,
there should be no more than 1 inch per gallon of water. This however
requires frequent partial water changes (20% a week or so), for an old
water tank fish load should be reduced. Very active or big fishes
require even more water.

Have you measured ammonia and nitrite lately?

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:19:26 +0200, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> wrote:

>Fishpaste wrote:
>
>> I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
>> have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
>> juvenile rainbow sharks
>
>> I don't do many water changes,
>> I just usually top up evaporated water. I've run the same tank for 7
>> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
>> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
>> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
>> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
>> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
>> sharks.
>
>So in effect you are trying to run an "old water tank". This can be done
>if you have plenty of live plants and only few fish. Then the plants
>will use up most of the waste produced by the fishes. However, your tank
>seems overstocked even if frequent water changes were done. There is a
>rule of thumb that if you add up the (adult) lengths of all your fishes,
>there should be no more than 1 inch per gallon of water. This however
>requires frequent partial water changes (20% a week or so), for an old
>water tank fish load should be reduced. Very active or big fishes
>require even more water.
>
>Have you measured ammonia and nitrite lately?


I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per fish.

I have not found a formula, and I am glad someone is willing to stick
their neck out, but the real answer depends......

I find I must experiment with each tank, watching for feeding activity
versus milkiness of the water. Live plants and variety of fish
probably all have to something to do with each answer for each tank,
imo.

dick

[-ED]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:57:25 -0500, Dick > wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:19:26 +0200, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> > wrote:
>
>> Fishpaste wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 30 gallon tank with ph 6.5 - 7 range, water hardness is 8. I
>>> have 10 Danios, a pleco, 3 juvenile Melano. Johannis. I bought 3
>>> juvenile rainbow sharks
>>
>>> I don't do many water changes,
>>> I just usually top up evaporated water. I've run the same tank for 7
>>> years. I do water testing every few months, more often if I am adding
>>> new fish. All of the fish I've had over the 7 years had no problem
>>> except the rainbow sharks. I recently (1.5 month ago) did a 1/3 water
>>> change plus cleaning up all debris. Pre-existing fish have no
>>> complaints, nor do the new Johannis. That's why I'm puzzled with the
>>> sharks.
>>
>> So in effect you are trying to run an "old water tank". This can be done
>> if you have plenty of live plants and only few fish. Then the plants
>> will use up most of the waste produced by the fishes. However, your tank
>> seems overstocked even if frequent water changes were done. There is a
>> rule of thumb that if you add up the (adult) lengths of all your fishes,
>> there should be no more than 1 inch per gallon of water. This however
>> requires frequent partial water changes (20% a week or so), for an old
>> water tank fish load should be reduced. Very active or big fishes
>> require even more water.
>>
>> Have you measured ammonia and nitrite lately?
>
>
> I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
> with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per fish.
>
> I have not found a formula, and I am glad someone is willing to stick
> their neck out, but the real answer depends......
>
> I find I must experiment with each tank, watching for feeding activity
> versus milkiness of the water. Live plants and variety of fish
> probably all have to something to do with each answer for each tank,
> imo.
>
> dick

Crowding a tank is always a bad idea. But in the end, its what joe
consumer wants to look at in the den or what the guests would like to see.
If I were a fish, I wouldn't care to be crowded in with nowhere to avoid
chaos. Lots of room and clean water with the right plant arrangements and
your fish will love it.
I have a 55gal w/the following:
2 Red Platies
1 Betta Female
4 Elegant cories
1 clown loach
1 Red Shark
1 Black Shark
7 Danios
1 Golden Swordtail.

This is crowded in my opinion. But at least the filters aren't loaded
down.
I'm supposed to get another clown loach.

Sometimes Life's a Tank.

[dc]

Dick > wrote in
:

> I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
> with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per fish.

Rules of thumb are good for noobs. They give people a place to start when
they have NO idea what is required from them to keep fish alive. They are
simple to follow and avoid overwhelming someone with all the details. The
truth is every situation is a little different.

Anyone who is following rules of thumb after a year of fish keeping isn't
really interested in knowing about the particulars of their aquarium.

Experienced aquarists, who actually take a true interest in their fish,
should abandon these rules and use education, observation, and trial to
find their own balance.

[Koi-Lo]

no one here really gives a rats ass about rule of thumb or any dying
rainbow shark..trust me, No one cares...


On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:05:12 -0500, dc > wrote:
>><>Dick > wrote in
:
>><>
>><>> I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
>><>> with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per fish.
>><>
>><>Rules of thumb are good for noobs. They give people a place to start when
>><>they have NO idea what is required from them to keep fish alive. They are
>><>simple to follow and avoid overwhelming someone with all the details. The
>><>truth is every situation is a little different.
>><>
>><>Anyone who is following rules of thumb after a year of fish keeping isn't
>><>really interested in knowing about the particulars of their aquarium.
>><>
>><>Experienced aquarists, who actually take a true interest in their fish,
>><>should abandon these rules and use education, observation, and trial to
>><>find their own balance.

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:05:12 -0500, dc > wrote:

>Dick > wrote in
:
>
>> I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
>> with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per fish.
>
>Rules of thumb are good for noobs. They give people a place to start when
>they have NO idea what is required from them to keep fish alive. They are
>simple to follow and avoid overwhelming someone with all the details. The
>truth is every situation is a little different.
>
>Anyone who is following rules of thumb after a year of fish keeping isn't
>really interested in knowing about the particulars of their aquarium.
>
>Experienced aquarists, who actually take a true interest in their fish,
>should abandon these rules and use education, observation, and trial to
>find their own balance.

I did a lot of experimenting the first couple of years. I think that
is part of any hobby. I think my opinion is close to what you say,
except the population density (or maybe that was Ed). Due to heavy
vegetation, it is hard to find the fish except at meal time. I know I
am over the one inch per gallon largely because my fish have grown
over the years, but they seem healthy and when they do come out they
tend to shoal regardless of species. I get the impression they like
being close. The fish in my 75 gallon sometimes all do a glass slide
on the left corner. It is amazing to watch, all those fish in one
corner and the rest of the tank empty. As for waste, I only clean the
filters when the flow is obstructed, once a month or more. I think
that what the filter does is hold the solids until erosion makes them
small enough to pass through the media then the tank's bacteria do
their thing. I pulled the bio wheels out as to keep them turning
required extra cleaning to keep enough water flow.

dick

Sorry if my first post came off rank, I must have been in a sassy mood
this morning.

dick

[-ED]

Get back in your cage premium boy.
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:20:42 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:

>
>
> no one here really gives a rats ass about rule of thumb or any dying
> rainbow shark..trust me, No one cares...
>
>
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:05:12 -0500, dc > wrote:
>>> <>Dick > wrote in
>>> :
>>> <>
>>> <>> I find the 1 inch per gallon of tank totally inadequate. It ranks
>>> <>> with feeding what the fish can eat in 2 minutes or one flake per
>>> fish.
>>> <>
>>> <>Rules of thumb are good for noobs. They give people a place to
>>> start when
>>> <>they have NO idea what is required from them to keep fish alive.
>>> They are
>>> <>simple to follow and avoid overwhelming someone with all the
>>> details. The
>>> <>truth is every situation is a little different.
>>> <>
>>> <>Anyone who is following rules of thumb after a year of fish keeping
>>> isn't
>>> <>really interested in knowing about the particulars of their aquarium.
>>> <>
>>> <>Experienced aquarists, who actually take a true interest in their
>>> fish,
>>> <>should abandon these rules and use education, observation, and trial
>>> to
>>> <>find their own balance.
>

[-ED]

I better not see you post another message on any newsgroup this pm.
Take your butt to bed and plan on next week. Your wits aren't that swift.
Use caution.

Knock Knock Premium Roy BOY...how long have YOU been a PayPal member now?

I can't stand it. We're dying over here.

[Koi-Lo]

Accusing is one thing making stick is yet another asshole, considering
credit cards are something we have never used except for gas cards and
I certainly doubt pay pal uses gas cards now do they dumbass? Tell you
what Ed, go **** up a rope and if I find it looks like fun I'll might
even give it a try.

Your still an asshole Ed one with rhoids!

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:41:17 GMT, -ED > wrote:
>><>I better not see you post another message on any newsgroup this pm.
>><>Take your butt to bed and plan on next week. Your wits aren't that swift.
>><>Use caution.
>><>
>><>Knock Knock Premium Roy BOY...how long have YOU been a PayPal member now?
>><>
>><>I can't stand it. We're dying over here.

[-ED]

Take a Nitro, I expect more from an enemy of mine.

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:45 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:

>
>
> Accusing is one thing making stick is yet another asshole, considering
> credit cards are something we have never used except for gas cards and
> I certainly doubt pay pal uses gas cards now do they dumbass? Tell you
> what Ed, go **** up a rope and if I find it looks like fun I'll might
> even give it a try.
>
> Your still an asshole Ed one with rhoids!
>
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:41:17 GMT, -ED > wrote:
>>> <>I better not see you post another message on any newsgroup this pm..
>>> <>Take your butt to bed and plan on next week. Your wits aren't that
>>> swift.
>>> <>Use caution.
>>> <>
>>> <>Knock Knock Premium Roy BOY...how long have YOU been a PayPal member
>>> now?
>>> <>
>>> <>I can't stand it. We're dying over here.
>

[-ED]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:23:39 -0500, -ED > wrote:

> Take a Nitro, I expect more from an enemy of mine.
>
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:45 -0500, Koi-Lo >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Accusing is one thing making stick is yet another asshole, considering
>> credit cards are something we have never used except for gas cards and
>> I certainly doubt pay pal uses gas cards now do they dumbass? Tell you
>> what Ed, go **** up a rope and if I find it looks like fun I'll might
>> even give it a try.
>>
>> Your still an asshole Ed one with rhoids!
>>
Read Carefully 101[while I'm filling my tea glass]
1-You're the one that has been bragging about gleeming usenets for email
addresses and then slapping innocent posters as if they were pawns at
your disposal.
2-You're the one constantly nym shifting-(Duck and Hide)
3-You're the one answering your own posts.
4-You're the one constantly bouncing from server to server-
5-You're the one responsible for your actions.

And Then You met ME! tiss tiss

If you tell me that you've sold my email address to spammers..and I get a
fake paypal notice - You actually believe that I would let that slide by..
Not even on laughing gas.
I was wrong to call you my enemy. My enemy is coherent.

Now wait...WHOSE THE DUMBASS NOW?
Now wait...WHOSE ****ING UP A ROPE NOW?
Now wait...WHOSE CRYING ABOUT 'RHOIDS NOW?
Now wait...WHOSE SWAYING TOPIC WITH GAS CARDS NOW?

Stop folding on me.

There's medication out there for you.
Medical help is free.
You're just touched in the head.
And That makes you a criminal element.
And That makes us watch you.

I'll get in your head and camp for a week or until I'm bored with you.
You'll want me evicted so bad and noone -I mean NOONE- will dare come to
your rescue. And I'm telling you this now. You'll need a prayer for sanity
when I'm done.
Its what I do.
It's what I did.
I've been more than generous with you holding my temper. You can't tip a
hand any broader than that.

You have no shame. That makes you weak.
You have no respect. That makes you clueless.
You show no pity. That make you vunerable.
When you total the three, you face hell.
You're guilty by association. You're guilty until proven innocent beyonda
reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.

Stay tuned - More to follow.

[-ED]

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:13:15 -0500, Gator > wrote:

> -EDextreme penis priest who likes hellish nad sack sucking with
> stinkbugs
>
>> Read Carefully 101[while I'm filling my tea glass] 1-You're the one
>> that has been bragging about gleeming usenets for email addresses and
>> then slapping innocent posters as if they were pawns at your disposal..
>
> Be very careful.
>
>> 2-You're the one constantly nym shifting-(Duck and Hide) 3-You're the
>> one answering your own posts.
>
> My friend.
>
>> 4-You're the one constantly bouncing from server to server- 5-You're
>> the one responsible for your actions.
>
> Could you please adjust your Time Zone settings? You are posting from
> the future.
>
>> >.
>
> Resident alt.alien.visitors bible thumping psychopath.
>
>> Where can I buy a 'fro comb?
>
> You're serious, aren't you, -ED?
>
>> And Then You met ME! tiss tiss.
>
> I waited for you. You're late.
>
>> >.
>
> I like your faggot shoes.
>
>> If you tell me that you've sold my email address to spammers.
>
> I am not going to tell you that I have sold your email address to
> spammers.
>
>> and I get a fake paypal notice - You actually believe that I would let
>> that slide by.
>
> What would have happened if you hadn't noticed - I actually believe that
> you would let that slide by?
>
>> Not even on laughing gas.
>
> Even if it seems foolish.
>
>> I was wrong to call you my enemy.
>
> So sue me.
>
>> My enemy is coherent.
>
> Do you have enemies?
>
>> >.
>
> It's all how you feel on the inside.
>
>> You know, everything seems more logical whey you're stoned.
>
> I recommend a bullet to your temple, -ED.
>
>> Now wait.
>
> Now if Mary danced for me, I'd increase the tips.
>
>> WHOSE THE DUMBASS NOW? Now wait.
>
> After reading that, I've decided I am in favour of abortion in cases of
> incest.
>
>> WHOSE ****ING UP A ROPE NOW? Now wait.
>
> Now you're getting ideas.
>
>> WHOSE CRYING ABOUT 'RHOIDS NOW? Now wait.
>
> Now you've really gone and done it.
>
>> WHOSE SWAYING TOPIC WITH GAS CARDS NOW?
>
> Now, now.
>
>> >.
>
> Nice work if you can get it.
>
>> I take a bucket of anticonvulsants and antipsychotic drugs every day
>> for my anxiety.
>
> Go here, -ED:
>
>
> http://www.newhopehealthclinic.com/painless_methods_of_how_to_commit_suicide.htm
>
>> Stop folding on me.
>
> You're obviously up to no good.
>
>> >.
>
> You are so beautiful. How did you get so beautiful?
>
>> There's medication out there for you.
>
> I don't have a beak.
>
>> Medical help is free.
>
> You need serious help.
>
>> You're just touched in the head.
>
> I'd be nice for you. I'm a rebel.
>
>> And That makes you a criminal element.
>
> I hope no one here is Jewish.
>
>> And That makes us watch you.
>
> I give all my energy to my job.
>
>> >.
>
> Lackey dod grunt.
>
>> I have nightmare stress!!! I'm begging for help!!!
>
> When you are at that point, there really is no way out other than
> suicide, -ED.
>
>> I'll get in your head and camp for a week or until I'm bored with you..
>
> Bored?
>
>> You'll want me evicted so bad and noone -I mean NOONE- will dare come
>> to your rescue.
>
> Who in their right mind would want to do that, -ED?
>
>> And I'm telling you this now.
>
> I see things differently. I'm not a person.
>
>> You'll need a prayer for sanity when I'm done.
>
> I need to rest. [Putting my head on your shoulder]
>
>> Its what I do.
>
> Do you really?
>
>> It's what I did.
>
> It's like before we broke up.
>
>> I've been more than generous with you holding my temper.
>
> I would have known the answer to that if you hadn't asked me.
>
>> You can't tip a hand any broader than that.
>
> Just because you can't tip a hand any broader than that, it does not
> follow that I can't either, -ED.
>
>> >.
>
> It's already happened. Do you want it to happen again?
>
>> I haven't lost my mind! I've got a backup somewhere.
>
> It could be worse; you could be gay and have warts in your throat. Oh,
> hang on. You had that last week.
>
>> You have no shame.
>
> I have no shame? That's a joke right?
>
>> That makes you weak.
>
> I would NEVER have closed the office for such a little thing.
>
>> You have no respect.
>
> You have to earn respect.
>
>> That makes you clueless.
>
> Ah, clues. The tawdry accoutrements of cheap street whores.
>
>> You show no pity.
>
> No wonder you can't sleep at night.
>
>> That make you vunerable.
>
> I won't tell anyone if you won't tell anyone.
>
>> When you total the three, you face hell.
>
> I am just curious to know which nightclub she's from.
>
>> You're guilty by association.
>
> What did you do?
>
>> You're guilty until proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt and to a
>> moral certainty.
>
> I don't let my conscience push me around.
>
>> >.
>
> Goddamned stupid idiot.
>
>> I LIE ALL THE TIME!
>
> Relax. Sit down. Put your feet up. Maybe go for a walk in the hills.
> There's hope; tomorrow you might be dead.
>
>> Stay tuned - More to follow.
>
> Why should anyone stay tuned - more to follow, -ED?
>

Decent Replies. You must be a columnist. But you aren't the subject
matter.

I'll give you a B+ for neatness, and concise answers.

[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"-ED" > wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:13:15 -0500, Gator > wrote: /snip!

Decent Replies. You must be a columnist. But you aren't the subject
matter.

I'll give you a B+ for neatness, and concise answers.
==============
I believe Gator is a "bot" and simply auto-replies to select posters.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Roy]

"~Roy" aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Its b****ing asholes like you that keep the noise level going. Your
> the first ****ing moron to snap today......you poor pityful
> looser......

"Gator" > wrote in message
. spoiled.love.muffins...
> Koi-Lounlimited arse monkey who likes adulterous butt banging with
> roadkill
>
> > *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
> >
> > "-ED" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:13:15 -0500, Gator > wrote:
/snip!
> >
> > Decent Replies. You must be a columnist. But you aren't the subject
> > matter.
> >
> > I'll give you a B+ for neatness, and concise answers.
> > ==============
> > I believe Gator is a "bot" and simply auto-replies to select posters.
>
> You haven't got a ****ing clue what you believe. Find any more Jews
> who use the name Jehovah?
>
> Stupid ****.
>
>
> --
>
> --
>
>

[~Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka Roy > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think kevin is in dire need of a tranquillizer or two.Chill out
> dude, Princes Di is dead and no amound of hurrying up is gonna
> change that... better yet, go ask your stupid questions on google run
> by and for brits!

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> "~Roy" aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Its b****ing asholes like you that keep the noise level going. Your
> > the first ****ing moron to snap today......you poor pityful
> > looser......
>
> "Gator" > wrote in message
> . spoiled.love.muffins...
> > Koi-Lounlimited arse monkey who likes adulterous butt banging with
> > roadkill
> >
> > > *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
> > >
> > > "-ED" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:13:15 -0500, Gator > wrote:
> /snip!
> > >
> > > Decent Replies. You must be a columnist. But you aren't the subject
> > > matter.
> > >
> > > I'll give you a B+ for neatness, and concise answers.
> > > ==============
> > > I believe Gator is a "bot" and simply auto-replies to select posters.
> >
> > You haven't got a ****ing clue what you believe. Find any more Jews
> > who use the name Jehovah?
> >
> > Stupid ****.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>

[~Roy]

"~Roy" aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Its b****ing asholes like you that keep the noise level going. Your
the first ****ing moron to snap today......you poor pityful
looser......

"Koi-Lo" <None> wrote in message ...
> *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
>
> "-ED" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:13:15 -0500, Gator > wrote: /snip!
>
> Decent Replies. You must be a columnist. But you aren't the subject
> matter.
>
> I'll give you a B+ for neatness, and concise answers.
> ==============
> I believe Gator is a "bot" and simply auto-replies to select posters.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>
>
>
>