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What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
their normal size?

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:24:04 GMT, -ED > wrote:

>What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
>their normal size?

What brought that question up?

I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human
heights are increasing along with their weight, but this seems to be a
matter of diet, eh?

Still, what brought the question to mind?

Just curious.

dick

[-ED]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:27:11 -0500, Dick > wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:24:04 GMT, -ED > wrote:
>
>> What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
>> their normal size?
>
> What brought that question up?
>
> I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
> and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human
> heights are increasing along with their weight, but this seems to be a
> matter of diet, eh?
>
> Still, what brought the question to mind?
>
> Just curious.
>
> dick
Damn Late Nite commercials selling fitness products. They want me to lift
the front end of a truck when I'm 50 years of age. F___That S___!

[dc]

Dick > wrote in
:

> I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
> and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human

Clown loaches grow large enough in their natural wild habitat to be
considered and exploited as a food fish.

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:22:05 GMT, -ED > wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:27:11 -0500, Dick > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:24:04 GMT, -ED > wrote:
>>
>>> What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
>>> their normal size?
>>
>> What brought that question up?
>>
>> I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
>> and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human
>> heights are increasing along with their weight, but this seems to be a
>> matter of diet, eh?
>>
>> Still, what brought the question to mind?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> dick
>Damn Late Nite commercials selling fitness products. They want me to lift
>the front end of a truck when I'm 50 years of age. F___That S___!


Go to bed earlier!

dick

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:42:46 -0500, dc > wrote:

>Dick > wrote in
:
>
>> I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
>> and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human
>
>Clown loaches grow large enough in their natural wild habitat to be
>considered and exploited as a food fish.


I figure the Siamese Algae Eaters look more appetizing.

dick

[Dick]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:42:46 -0500, dc > wrote:

>Dick > wrote in
:
>
>> I have been so pleased that the predictions about giant Clown Loaches
>> and Siamese Algae Eaters is so out of proportion. I believe human
>
>Clown loaches grow large enough in their natural wild habitat to be
>considered and exploited as a food fish.

Genetics defies such statements. Size responds to environment. If
large helps survival, then the genes of reproduction reproduce the
successful size.

Personally, I believe in Intelligent Design, thus any change is an
experiment even if a joke!

dick

[Glassman]

"-ED" > wrote in message
...
What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
their normal size?


Don't know what you're looking for but I can tell you about Guppies. They
started using steroids in the 60's to produce bigger, flashier, faster
growing, and more colorful fish. At some point I stopped seeing those fish
when the Asian market flooded the stores with nice and cheap product. The
problem was that they were treating these fish with anti-biotics to avoid
losing stock before shipping. When you got them home they often died within
a week. Todays guppy strains are so weak it's alarming. Go into your LFS and
look at the guppy tanks early in the morning before they clean them out and
you'll see as many as 1/2 floating. When I was breeding guppies, they were
so hardy, you had to constantly cull them, or you were overcrowed in a
matter of months. Now you're hard pressed to keep them alive at all. Is it
because of the steroids, or the anti-biotics? I don't know.


--

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[-ED]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:07:41 -0500, Glassman > wrote:

>
> "-ED" > wrote in message
> ...
> What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
> their normal size?
>
>
> Don't know what you're looking for but I can tell you about Guppies.
> They
> started using steroids in the 60's to produce bigger, flashier, faster
> growing, and more colorful fish. At some point I stopped seeing those
> fish
> when the Asian market flooded the stores with nice and cheap product. The
> problem was that they were treating these fish with anti-biotics to avoid
> losing stock before shipping. When you got them home they often died
> within
> a week. Todays guppy strains are so weak it's alarming. Go into your LFS
> and
> look at the guppy tanks early in the morning before they clean them out
> and
> you'll see as many as 1/2 floating. When I was breeding guppies, they
> were
> so hardy, you had to constantly cull them, or you were overcrowed in a
> matter of months. Now you're hard pressed to keep them alive at all. Is
> it
> because of the steroids, or the anti-biotics? I don't know.
>
>
Another shining example of capitalism. I didn't know the research went
that far back (the exposure and morphing for market', that is).
That's a shame.

[Victor Martinez]

Dick wrote:
> Genetics defies such statements. Size responds to environment. If

Bull****. At least on the short term. Over hundreds of thousands of
years, perhaps.

> large helps survival, then the genes of reproduction reproduce the
> successful size.

It's called Natural Selection. :)

> Personally, I believe in Intelligent Design, thus any change is an
> experiment even if a joke!

Then Sir, you are a moron.

--
Victor M. Martinez
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[swarvegorilla]

>> Personally, I believe in Intelligent Design, thus any change is an
>> experiment even if a joke!
>
> Then Sir, you are a moron.
>

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Ain't that the truth.
:-)

[swarvegorilla]

"-ED" > wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:07:41 -0500, Glassman > wrote:

>
> "-ED" > wrote in message
> ...
> What has science come up with today that allows tropical fish to exceed
> their normal size?
>
>
> Don't know what you're looking for but I can tell you about Guppies.
> They
> started using steroids in the 60's to produce bigger, flashier, faster
> growing, and more colorful fish. At some point I stopped seeing those
> fish
> when the Asian market flooded the stores with nice and cheap product. The
> problem was that they were treating these fish with anti-biotics to avoid
> losing stock before shipping. When you got them home they often died
> within
> a week. Todays guppy strains are so weak it's alarming. Go into your LFS
> and
> look at the guppy tanks early in the morning before they clean them out
> and
> you'll see as many as 1/2 floating. When I was breeding guppies, they
> were
> so hardy, you had to constantly cull them, or you were overcrowed in a
> matter of months. Now you're hard pressed to keep them alive at all. Is
> it
> because of the steroids, or the anti-biotics? I don't know.
>
>
Another shining example of capitalism. I didn't know the research went
that far back (the exposure and morphing for market', that is).
That's a shame.


XXXXX Actually there are many reasons why guppys are weaker today.
Many are pedigree animals, bred in perfect water with excellent food and
backed up with UVS systems.
Now customers who seek a tough strain can get it but a fancy guppy can be as
tricky as a fancy discus.
All I can say is mix in a bit of sea water, feed bloodworm, spirulina flake,
live mozzie larvae/brine shrimp/protien pellets in a pepper grinder and
beware the many gill flukes out there today.
I don't keep guppys with snails where I can avoid it.
I find salt water dips very handy.
You have to be careful there are thousands of guppy diseases.
I think it's because people put guppys outside where they get exposed to
local fish diseases and then they are sold back into the trade.
The most important part of guppy breeding these days is a good microscope.
They may not be simple as they were but they are still pretty easy.
But then I'm a mollie/platy man myself and they got their own
problems....... hybrids and da like.

Yea sometimes you lose them but hey the scale I can breed on gives me an OK
loss ratio.
LOL
play da numbers hey, not 1 or 2 but 20 @ a time! then cull! cull! cull!
before long you have the strain ya wanna develope further or stabilise.
Most reds are very tough and can be used to toughen lines, just a shame they
are so dominant genetically.