New to ponds

[Steve]

Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).

My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.

Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
spend money on two pumps if not needed.

Thanks
steve

[~ janj]

>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:

>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>
>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>
>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>
>Thanks
>steve

What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
--------------
See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Go Fig]

In article >, Steve
> wrote:

> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>
> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?

It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
rate.

Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?

Good Luck!

jay
Mon Jun 05, 2006



> I
> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>
> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>
> Thanks
> steve
>
>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj >
wrote:
>><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>
>><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
>><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>>
>><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
>><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
>><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
>><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>><>>
>><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>>
>><>>Thanks
>><>>steve
>><>
>><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
>><>--------------
>><>See my ponds and filter design:
>><>www.jjspond.us
>><>
>><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
>><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
>><> To e-mail see website

[Koi-Lo]

Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
says.......especially a beckett.
Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
used for water fall alone.

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
>><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>
>><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
>><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
>><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
>><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>><>
>><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>
>><>Thanks
>><>steve
>><>
>><>
>><>

[~Roy]

Probably the best compbination for that size and setup would be a
Cyprio Bio Force 1000, hooked up to a Cyprio Titan 800 submersible
pump. It wil have sufficient flow to provide decent flow out and down
a water fall. The filter has the capability to filter out algae, its
a pressure type, and has a solids settlement section as well. It is an
external type filter and can be placed in the ground and only the top
portion of it exposed, which is easy to conceal. It is easy to clean
and service. The Tital pump has an adjustable inlet grid screen so you
can lcos eit down to as small as 2mm to keep fry etc from entering the
pump. If yuor in a tropical or sub tropical zone 8 and > I owul
dconsider the 1000 as your gonna need more capacity than those living
up in the cooler regions.

Filter can alsl have a UV added to it, but UV is a continual waste of
money with bulb replacement annually, so their overall cost never goes
down and continues to be a yearly requirement../

Pump about $80-90 and filter about $70 plus 1" or 3/4" hose / tube.
and it would put you in business with a more than adequate filtration
system.

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:43:25 GMT, (Koi-Lo)
wrote:
>><>On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj >
>><>wrote:
>><>>><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>>><>
>><>>><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>><>>><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
>><>>><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>>><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>>><>>
>><>>><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
>><>>><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
>><>>><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>><>>><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
>><>>><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>><>>><>>
>><>>><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>><>>><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>>><>>
>><>>><>>Thanks
>><>>><>>steve
>><>>><>
>><>>><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
>><>>><>--------------
>><>>><>See my ponds and filter design:
>><>>><>www.jjspond.us
>><>>><>
>><>>><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
>><>>><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
>><>>><> To e-mail see website

[Go Fig]

In article >, ~Roy
> wrote:

> Probably the best compbination for that size and setup would be a
> Cyprio Bio Force 1000, hooked up to a Cyprio Titan 800 submersible
> pump. It wil have sufficient flow to provide decent flow out and down
> a water fall. The filter has the capability to filter out algae, its
> a pressure type, and has a solids settlement section as well. It is an
> external type filter and can be placed in the ground and only the top
> portion of it exposed, which is easy to conceal. It is easy to clean
> and service. The Tital pump has an adjustable inlet grid screen so you
> can lcos eit down to as small as 2mm to keep fry etc from entering the
> pump. If yuor in a tropical or sub tropical zone 8 and > I owul
> dconsider the 1000 as your gonna need more capacity than those living
> up in the cooler regions.
>
> Filter can alsl have a UV added to it, but UV is a continual waste of
> money with bulb replacement annually,

Getting rid of suspended algae is not a waste of money.

jay
Tue Jun 06, 2006






> so their overall cost never goes
> down and continues to be a yearly requirement../
>
> Pump about $80-90 and filter about $70 plus 1" or 3/4" hose / tube.
> and it would put you in business with a more than adequate filtration
> system.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:43:25 GMT, (Koi-Lo)
> wrote:
> >><>On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj >
> >><>wrote:
> >><>>><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>>><>
> >><>>><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
> >>pond.
> >><>>><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
> >>will be
> >><>>><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
> >>the
> >><>>><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>>><>>
> >><>>><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo
> >>(Beckett Small
> >><>>><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
> >>that is 2
> >><>>><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
> >>I
> >><>>><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that
> >>is what I
> >><>>><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
> >>also.
> >><>>><>>
> >><>>><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not
> >>wanting to
> >><>>><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>>><>>
> >><>>><>>Thanks
> >><>>><>>steve
> >><>>><>
> >><>>><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
> >><>>><>--------------
> >><>>><>See my ponds and filter design:
> >><>>><>www.jjspond.us
> >><>>><>
> >><>>><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> >><>>><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> >><>>><> To e-mail see website
>

[~Roy]

Yea, but thata cyprio Bio Force filter will remove it without the need
of a UV..A UV is fine if you do not mind replacing the bulb every year
though.....The wifes preform pond which she keeps a large
assoprtment of tropical fish in is also a 165 gal from HD uses the
Cyprio bio force and Titan 800 pump, Were located in a hot region,
with pond in full sunlight. Its suspeneded algae free.....all without
a UV.


..On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:57:31 -0700, Go Fig > wrote:
>><>In article >, ~Roy
> wrote:
>><>
>><>> Probably the best compbination for that size and setup would be a
>><>> Cyprio Bio Force 1000, hooked up to a Cyprio Titan 800 submersible
>><>> pump. It wil have sufficient flow to provide decent flow out and down
>><>> a water fall. The filter has the capability to filter out algae, its
>><>> a pressure type, and has a solids settlement section as well. It is an
>><>> external type filter and can be placed in the ground and only the top
>><>> portion of it exposed, which is easy to conceal. It is easy to clean
>><>> and service. The Tital pump has an adjustable inlet grid screen so you
>><>> can lcos eit down to as small as 2mm to keep fry etc from entering the
>><>> pump. If yuor in a tropical or sub tropical zone 8 and > I owul
>><>> dconsider the 1000 as your gonna need more capacity than those living
>><>> up in the cooler regions.
>><>>
>><>> Filter can alsl have a UV added to it, but UV is a continual waste of
>><>> money with bulb replacement annually,
>><>
>><>Getting rid of suspended algae is not a waste of money.
>><>
>><>jay
>><>Tue Jun 06, 2006

>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>> so their overall cost never goes
>><>> down and continues to be a yearly requirement../
>><>>
>><>> Pump about $80-90 and filter about $70 plus 1" or 3/4" hose / tube.
>><>> and it would put you in business with a more than adequate filtration
>><>> system.
>><>>
>><>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:43:25 GMT, (Koi-Lo)
>><>> wrote:
>><>> >><>On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj >
>><>> >><>wrote:
>><>> >><>>><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>> >><>>><>
>><>> >><>>><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>><>> >>pond.
>><>> >><>>><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
>><>> >>will be
>><>> >><>>><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
>><>> >>the
>><>> >><>>><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>> >><>>><>>
>><>> >><>>><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo
>><>> >>(Beckett Small
>><>> >><>>><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
>><>> >>that is 2
>><>> >><>>><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>><>> >>I
>><>> >><>>><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that
>><>> >>is what I
>><>> >><>>><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
>><>> >>also.
>><>> >><>>><>>
>><>> >><>>><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not
>><>> >>wanting to
>><>> >><>>><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>> >><>>><>>
>><>> >><>>><>>Thanks
>><>> >><>>><>>steve
>><>> >><>>><>
>><>> >><>>><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
>><>> >><>>><>--------------
>><>> >><>>><>See my ponds and filter design:
>><>> >><>>><>www.jjspond.us
>><>> >><>>><>
>><>> >><>>><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
>><>> >><>>><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
>><>> >><>>><> To e-mail see website
>><>>

[Steve]

350 gph

"~ janj" > wrote in message
...
> >On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>
>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>>be
>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>>
>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>>Small
>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is
>>2
>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what
>>I
>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>>
>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>>
>>Thanks
>>steve
>
> What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
> --------------
> See my ponds and filter design:
> www.jjspond.us
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[Steve]

So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just get
one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?



"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Steve
> > wrote:
>
>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>> pond.
>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>> be
>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>>
>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>> Small
>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
>> is 2
>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>
> It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
> waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
> effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
> Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
> rate.
>
> Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
>
> Good Luck!
>
> jay
> Mon Jun 05, 2006
>
>
>
>> I
>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
>> what I
>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>>
>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>>
>> Thanks
>> steve
>>
>>
>>
>>

[~Roy]

No, if yuy go with a Cyprio Titan pump of say 800 gph its made to
power a pressure filter like the Cyprio Bio Force, and then feed a
water fall .....Commn box filters just plain suck at removing any
algae or really doing the job, and who want to be messing around in a
pond to clean it. External pressure buried so only the top is visible
is a piece of cake to maintain. At the price your just a bit higher
than what big box stores charge for a typical box filter and cleap
pump.


On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:38:03 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just get
>><>one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
>><>> In article >, Steve
>><>> > wrote:
>><>>
>><>>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>><>>> pond.
>><>>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>><>>> be
>><>>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>>>
>><>>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>><>>> Small
>><>>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
>><>>> is 2
>><>>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>><>>
>><>> It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
>><>> waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
>><>> effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
>><>> Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
>><>> rate.
>><>>
>><>> Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
>><>>
>><>> Good Luck!
>><>>
>><>> jay
>><>> Mon Jun 05, 2006
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>> I
>><>>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
>><>>> what I
>><>>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>><>>>
>><>>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>><>>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>>>
>><>>> Thanks
>><>>> steve
>><>>>
>><>>>
>><>>>
>><>>>
>><>

[Steve]

So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant
things?

Sorry so many questions. I am learning still.


"~Roy" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> No, if yuy go with a Cyprio Titan pump of say 800 gph its made to
> power a pressure filter like the Cyprio Bio Force, and then feed a
> water fall .....Commn box filters just plain suck at removing any
> algae or really doing the job, and who want to be messing around in a
> pond to clean it. External pressure buried so only the top is visible
> is a piece of cake to maintain. At the price your just a bit higher
> than what big box stores charge for a typical box filter and cleap
> pump.
>
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:38:03 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>>><>So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just
>>>get
>>><>one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?
>>><>
>>><>
>>><>
>>><>"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
>>><>> In article >, Steve
>>><>> > wrote:
>>><>>
>>><>>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>>><>>> pond.
>>><>>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
>>>will
>>><>>> be
>>><>>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
>>>the
>>><>>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>>><>>>
>>><>>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo
>>>(Beckett
>>><>>> Small
>>><>>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
>>>that
>>><>>> is 2
>>><>>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>>><>>
>>><>> It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
>>><>> waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
>>><>> effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
>>><>> Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
>>><>> rate.
>>><>>
>>><>> Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
>>><>>
>>><>> Good Luck!
>>><>>
>>><>> jay
>>><>> Mon Jun 05, 2006
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>>> I
>>><>>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that
>>>is
>>><>>> what I
>>><>>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
>>>also.
>>><>>>
>>><>>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not
>>>wanting to
>>><>>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>>><>>>
>>><>>> Thanks
>>><>>> steve
>>><>>>
>>><>>>
>>><>>>
>>><>>>
>>><>
>

[Go Fig]

In article >, Steve
> wrote:

> So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just get
> one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?


Not necessarily, the advantage w/ 2 pumps is you can turn off the water
fall pump w/ a timer if you want it quiet at night... or a portion of
the night. My preference is 2 pumps.

jay
Tue Jun 06, 2006


>
>
>
> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Steve
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
> >> pond.
> >> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
> >> be
> >> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >>
> >> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
> >> Small
> >> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
> >> is 2
> >> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
> >
> > It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
> > waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
> > effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
> > Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
> > rate.
> >
> > Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > jay
> > Mon Jun 05, 2006
> >
> >
> >
> >> I
> >> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
> >> what I
> >> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
> >> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant
> .......
=====================
Yes. Any store that carries pond supplies should have diverters including
Home Depot and Lowe's.
--
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[Gail Futoran]

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant
> things?
>
> Sorry so many questions. I am learning still.

I'm not good at the technical stuff. My
largest pond with a filter is only a 150 gallon
stocktank. I use a Pondmaster pump with
fountain fixture (bell-shaped).

The reason I'm writing is when we get a strong
wind, like that associated with a storm, I can lose
a lot of water from the fountain blowing water
out. Your pond isn't that much larger than mine and
it sounds like you're planning two running water
features - more chances for wind to rapidly
lower the levels of your pond.

Just something to think about.

Gail
near San Antonio TX USA

[~ janj]

>"Steve" > wrote in message
>> So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant

Right, but a 350 isn't going to give you much of a trickle. Many pond
stores though will gladly let you trade up if you take it home and it
doesn't do what is needed. Just don't lose the box or receipt until you're
sure. ~ jan

-----------------
(Do you know where your water quality is?)
Also ponding troll free at:
http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium

[~Roy]

Yes and no. I fyu want to have a water fall, that is gong to gtake a
lot of water to make it look decent. Water falls are huge consumers of
water......., but you could still T off the discharge line to the
water fall and route to to a fountain or spitter and possible
depending on how much flow yur satisfied with on a waterfall/ cascade,
could possibly power a fountain etc at the same time.

Unfortunately diverter valves for pond use are kind of pricey for what
you get, and they are cheaply made. However yu can get a ball valve
in the plubming section of big box stores, and a few PVC fittings and
tuibe yu can reaily make a simple "manifold" for about 25% of the cost
of a typcial diverter valve. It could do additional usefull things
like adding the capbility to pump the water out of the pond by simnply
turning a valve handle which makes water changes easier.........With a
typical diverter your nailed to usuaing their components for the most
part. Feed it all with the max size flex tube for max flow from
pump to filter for best results no matter what pump / filteryou use,
and to repeat, box filters (pump enclosed n plastic box with filter
media) just plain suck!

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:48:52 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant
>><>things?
>><>
>><>Sorry so many questions. I am learning still.
>><>
>><>
>><>"~Roy" > wrote in message
...
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> No, if yuy go with a Cyprio Titan pump of say 800 gph its made to
>><>> power a pressure filter like the Cyprio Bio Force, and then feed a
>><>> water fall .....Commn box filters just plain suck at removing any
>><>> algae or really doing the job, and who want to be messing around in a
>><>> pond to clean it. External pressure buried so only the top is visible
>><>> is a piece of cake to maintain. At the price your just a bit higher
>><>> than what big box stores charge for a typical box filter and cleap
>><>> pump.
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:38:03 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
>><>>>><>So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just
>><>>>>get
>><>>>><>one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
>><>>>><>> In article >, Steve
>><>>>><>> > wrote:
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>><>>>><>>> pond.
>><>>>><>>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
>><>>>>will
>><>>>><>>> be
>><>>>><>>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
>><>>>>the
>><>>>><>>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo
>><>>>>(Beckett
>><>>>><>>> Small
>><>>>><>>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
>><>>>>that
>><>>>><>>> is 2
>><>>>><>>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>> It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
>><>>>><>> waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
>><>>>><>> effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
>><>>>><>> Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
>><>>>><>> rate.
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>> Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>> Good Luck!
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>> jay
>><>>>><>> Mon Jun 05, 2006
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>> I
>><>>>><>>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that
>><>>>>is
>><>>>><>>> what I
>><>>>><>>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
>><>>>>also.
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not
>><>>>>wanting to
>><>>>><>>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>> Thanks
>><>>>><>>> steve
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>>>
>><>>>><>
>><>>
>><>

[~Roy]

A solenoid to divert water flow is easily added, and much cheaper than
buying and running a 2nd pump if you desire to shut off water fall
etc........and it too can be on a timer circuit.


On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:08:18 -0700, Go Fig > wrote:
>><>In article >, Steve
> wrote:
>><>
>><>> So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably just get
>><>> one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?
>><>
>><>
>><>Not necessarily, the advantage w/ 2 pumps is you can turn off the water
>><>fall pump w/ a timer if you want it quiet at night... or a portion of
>><>the night. My preference is 2 pumps.
>><>
>><>jay
>><>Tue Jun 06, 2006

>><>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
>><>> ...
>><>> > In article >, Steve
>><>> > > wrote:
>><>> >
>><>> >> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>><>> >> pond.
>><>> >> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>><>> >> be
>><>> >> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>> >> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>> >>
>><>> >> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>><>> >> Small
>><>> >> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
>><>> >> is 2
>><>> >> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>><>> >
>><>> > It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
>><>> > waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
>><>> > effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
>><>> > Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong flow/
>><>> > rate.
>><>> >
>><>> > Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
>><>> >
>><>> > Good Luck!
>><>> >
>><>> > jay
>><>> > Mon Jun 05, 2006
>><>> >
>><>> >
>><>> >
>><>> >> I
>><>> >> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
>><>> >> what I
>><>> >> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>><>> >>
>><>> >> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>><>> >> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>><>> >>
>><>> >> Thanks
>><>> >> steve
>><>> >>
>><>> >>
>><>> >>
>><>> >>
>><>>
>><>>

[Derek Broughton]

Steve wrote:

> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
> be
> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>
> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
> Small
> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is
> 2
> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?

You need to figure out (first) what the flow rate of that pump will be
at "head" of 2'. Rule #1 is that it is going to be less than the 350gph at
which the pump is rated. Sometimes it's _much_ less.

This page (http://www.pondtechnology.com/pages/pumps.html) offers the
following rule of thumb for waterfall flow rates:
- light flow = 50 GPH x waterfall width (in)
- average flow = 100 GPH x waterfall width (in)
- strong flow = 200 GPH x waterfall width (in)

So assuming you can get half the flow over the waterfall - either by
diverting some of the flow or going through the filter first, you can get
a "light" flow over about a 3 1/2" wide waterfall.

Personally, I'd consider a 350gph pump to be about half what you should be
using for filtering a 165g pond, and lifting the water another 2' will slow
it more, so you're really in need of a bigger pump.

I see no real advantage to using two pumps over a single pump. A single
pump going _through_ a filter and then over a fall has the benefit of
giving you an audible indication of the state of the filter - when the
falls slow down, you know the filter needs cleaning.
--
derek

[~Roy]

WOW, what the hell canI say, yet a nother thing that old Derek and I
agree on....what the hell is this group coming to........]




On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:53:47 -0300, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>><>Steve wrote:
>><>
>><>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
>><>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>><>> be
>><>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>><>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>><>>
>><>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>><>> Small
>><>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is
>><>> 2
>><>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
>><>
>><>You need to figure out (first) what the flow rate of that pump will be
>><>at "head" of 2'. Rule #1 is that it is going to be less than the 350gph at
>><>which the pump is rated. Sometimes it's _much_ less.
>><>
>><>This page (http://www.pondtechnology.com/pages/pumps.html) offers the
>><>following rule of thumb for waterfall flow rates:
>><>- light flow = 50 GPH x waterfall width (in)
>><>- average flow = 100 GPH x waterfall width (in)
>><>- strong flow = 200 GPH x waterfall width (in)
>><>
>><>So assuming you can get half the flow over the waterfall - either by
>><>diverting some of the flow or going through the filter first, you can get
>><>a "light" flow over about a 3 1/2" wide waterfall.
>><>
>><>Personally, I'd consider a 350gph pump to be about half what you should be
>><>using for filtering a 165g pond, and lifting the water another 2' will slow
>><>it more, so you're really in need of a bigger pump.
>><>
>><>I see no real advantage to using two pumps over a single pump. A single
>><>pump going _through_ a filter and then over a fall has the benefit of
>><>giving you an audible indication of the state of the filter - when the
>><>falls slow down, you know the filter needs cleaning.

[Carl Beyer]

In article >,
"Steve" > wrote:

> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a pond.
> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will be
> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>
> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett Small
> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that is 2
> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is what I
> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>
> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>
> Thanks
> steve

I have a bit bigger system than your proposing, but it sounds the same.
A nice waterfall will probably need a 1100 GPH pump. Someone posted
some math so you can figure it out that way if you want, but 350GPH is
like a garden hose on medium slow.

I have a second pump that runs 24/7 that is 350gph (the water fall is
1400gph). it pumps water to my Sand Filter, and then into my UV light.
The waterfall pumps into a "Big" skippy filter and then to the falls.

To save money, I made my own filters, including my sand filter but not
my UV. I put plants in the pond, so it helps with the chemical process.
Then I made a bucket up with scrubbing pads (A skippy FIlter is what it
is called) and it really keeps the water clear. Then the UV does its
job to help as well.

UV's have to run 24/7 BTW.

If you want, take a look at Veggie Filters if you are making your own.
I would like to go back and do it again that way. Skippys are GREAT,
but a bit more maintenance... then again, mine is too small for my pond
and fish load...

Hope this helpsl. It is never easy, and almost always what ever you buy
you will regret cause you will want it bigger, better, badder later on
;-)

carl

--
--
http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com

[Steve]

All of this helps alot. I will do some more research and post what I have
decided to go with.

Thnks
Steve
"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Steve" > wrote:
>
>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
>> pond.
>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It will
>> be
>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
>>
>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
>> Small
>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
>> is 2
>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
>> what I
>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
>>
>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
>>
>> Thanks
>> steve
>
> I have a bit bigger system than your proposing, but it sounds the same.
> A nice waterfall will probably need a 1100 GPH pump. Someone posted
> some math so you can figure it out that way if you want, but 350GPH is
> like a garden hose on medium slow.
>
> I have a second pump that runs 24/7 that is 350gph (the water fall is
> 1400gph). it pumps water to my Sand Filter, and then into my UV light.
> The waterfall pumps into a "Big" skippy filter and then to the falls.
>
> To save money, I made my own filters, including my sand filter but not
> my UV. I put plants in the pond, so it helps with the chemical process.
> Then I made a bucket up with scrubbing pads (A skippy FIlter is what it
> is called) and it really keeps the water clear. Then the UV does its
> job to help as well.
>
> UV's have to run 24/7 BTW.
>
> If you want, take a look at Veggie Filters if you are making your own.
> I would like to go back and do it again that way. Skippys are GREAT,
> but a bit more maintenance... then again, mine is too small for my pond
> and fish load...
>
> Hope this helpsl. It is never easy, and almost always what ever you buy
> you will regret cause you will want it bigger, better, badder later on
> ;-)
>
> carl
>
> --
> --
> http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj >
> wrote:
> >><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>
> >><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
the
> >><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>>
> >><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
also.
> >><>>
> >><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>>
> >><>>Thanks
> >><>>steve
> >><>
> >><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
> >><>--------------
> >><>See my ponds and filter design:
> >><>www.jjspond.us
> >><>
> >><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> >><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> >><> To e-mail see website
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...

> Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
> BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
> filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
> sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
> means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
> says.......especially a beckett.
> Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
> go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
> sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
> inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
> lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
> big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
> used for water fall alone.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>
> >><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks
> >><>steve
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...

> Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
> BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
> filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
> sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
> means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
> says.......especially a beckett.
> Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
> go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
> sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
> inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
> lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
> big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
> used for water fall alone.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>
> >><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks
> >><>steve
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
>
"~Roy" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Yea, but thata cyprio Bio Force filter will remove it without the need
> of a UV..A UV is fine if you do not mind replacing the bulb every year
> though.....The wifes preform pond which she keeps a large
> assoprtment of tropical fish in is also a 165 gal from HD uses the
> Cyprio bio force and Titan 800 pump, Were located in a hot region,
> with pond in full sunlight. Its suspeneded algae free.....all without
> a UV.
>
>
> .On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:57:31 -0700, Go Fig > wrote:
> >><>In article >, ~Roy
> > wrote:
> >><>
> >><>> Probably the best compbination for that size and setup would be a
> >><>> Cyprio Bio Force 1000, hooked up to a Cyprio Titan 800 submersible
> >><>> pump. It wil have sufficient flow to provide decent flow out and
down
> >><>> a water fall. The filter has the capability to filter out algae,
its
> >><>> a pressure type, and has a solids settlement section as well. It is
an
> >><>> external type filter and can be placed in the ground and only the
top
> >><>> portion of it exposed, which is easy to conceal. It is easy to clean
> >><>> and service. The Tital pump has an adjustable inlet grid screen so
you
> >><>> can lcos eit down to as small as 2mm to keep fry etc from entering
the
> >><>> pump. If yuor in a tropical or sub tropical zone 8 and > I owul
> >><>> dconsider the 1000 as your gonna need more capacity than those
living
> >><>> up in the cooler regions.
> >><>>
> >><>> Filter can alsl have a UV added to it, but UV is a continual waste
of
> >><>> money with bulb replacement annually,
> >><>
> >><>Getting rid of suspended algae is not a waste of money.
> >><>
> >><>jay
> >><>Tue Jun 06, 2006
>
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>> so their overall cost never goes
> >><>> down and continues to be a yearly requirement../
> >><>>
> >><>> Pump about $80-90 and filter about $70 plus 1" or 3/4" hose / tube.
> >><>> and it would put you in business with a more than adequate
filtration
> >><>> system.
> >><>>
> >><>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:43:25 GMT, (Koi-Lo)
> >><>> wrote:
> >><>> >><>On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:19:52 -0700, ~ janj
>
> >><>> >><>wrote:
> >><>> >><>>><>>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve"
> wrote:
> >><>> >><>>><>
> >><>> >><>>><>>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally
decided to do a
> >><>> >>pond.
> >><>> >><>>><>>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing
big. It
> >><>> >>will be
> >><>> >><>>><>>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will
bring in
> >><>> >>the
> >><>> >><>>><>>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>> >><>>><>>
> >><>> >><>>><>>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter
combo
> >><>> >>(Beckett Small
> >><>> >><>>><>>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a
waterfall
> >><>> >>that is 2
> >><>> >><>>><>>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be
located?
> >><>> >>I
> >><>> >><>>><>>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it
so that
> >><>> >>is what I
> >><>> >><>>><>>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain
attachement
> >><>> >>also.
> >><>> >><>>><>>
> >><>> >><>>><>>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut
not
> >><>> >>wanting to
> >><>> >><>>><>>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>> >><>>><>>
> >><>> >><>>><>>Thanks
> >><>> >><>>><>>steve
> >><>> >><>>><>
> >><>> >><>>><>What's the gph on the pump? ~ jan
> >><>> >><>>><>--------------
> >><>> >><>>><>See my ponds and filter design:
> >><>> >><>>><>www.jjspond.us
> >><>> >><>>><>
> >><>> >><>>><> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> >><>> >><>>><> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> >><>> >><>>><> To e-mail see website
> >><>>
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...

> Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
> BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
> filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
> sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
> means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
> says.......especially a beckett.
> Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
> go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
> sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
> inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
> lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
> big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
> used for water fall alone.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>
> >><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks
> >><>steve
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...

> Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
> BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
> filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
> sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
> means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
> says.......especially a beckett.
> Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
> go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
> sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
> inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
> lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
> big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
> used for water fall alone.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>
> >><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks
> >><>steve
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka ROY > wrote in message
...

> Save your momneyb and get a decent filter such as a POndmaster kit or
> BIo force. ALgae is a big problem in smaller ponds as such and a
> filter capable of picking it o=up is needed, and those filter kits
> sold in big box stores are not the ticket. They are minimum by any
> means in terms of even filtration no matter what the box label
> says.......especially a beckett.
> Get a Danner MAg Drive Pondmaster. A Mag7 ot 9 will do it, no need to
> go to 2 on such a small preform, unless yu go to a 12 and use it as a
> sole pump, but its still may overkill in a 165 gal preform. With 18
> inches of depth, and twop feet high water fall, your ball park to a
> lift of 3 1/2 feet already and its gonna cut down on pump performance
> big time with that becket or anyt other smaller pump even if its just
> used for water fall alone.
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:16:50 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >><>Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> >><>I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> >><>a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> >><>goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >><>
> >><>My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> >><>Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
that is 2
> >><>ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> >><>noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> >><>was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting
to
> >><>spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >><>
> >><>Thanks
> >><>steve
> >><>
> >><>
> >><>
>

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka Roy > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think kevin is in dire need of a tranquillizer or two.Chill out
> dude, Princes Di is dead and no amound of hurrying up is gonna
> change that... better yet, go ask your stupid questions on google run
> by and for brits!

[Roy]

"Koi-Lo" aka Roy > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think kevin is in dire need of a tranquillizer or two.Chill out
> dude, Princes Di is dead and no amound of hurrying up is gonna
> change that... better yet, go ask your stupid questions on google run
> by and for brits!

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Steve" > wrote:
>
> > Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> > I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> > a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> > goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >
> > My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> > Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
is 2
> > ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> > noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> > was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >
> > Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
> > spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >
> > Thanks
> > steve
>
> I have a bit bigger system than your proposing, but it sounds the same.
> A nice waterfall will probably need a 1100 GPH pump. Someone posted
> some math so you can figure it out that way if you want, but 350GPH is
> like a garden hose on medium slow.
>
> I have a second pump that runs 24/7 that is 350gph (the water fall is
> 1400gph). it pumps water to my Sand Filter, and then into my UV light.
> The waterfall pumps into a "Big" skippy filter and then to the falls.
>
> To save money, I made my own filters, including my sand filter but not
> my UV. I put plants in the pond, so it helps with the chemical process.
> Then I made a bucket up with scrubbing pads (A skippy FIlter is what it
> is called) and it really keeps the water clear. Then the UV does its
> job to help as well.
>
> UV's have to run 24/7 BTW.
>
> If you want, take a look at Veggie Filters if you are making your own.
> I would like to go back and do it again that way. Skippys are GREAT,
> but a bit more maintenance... then again, mine is too small for my pond
> and fish load...
>
> Hope this helpsl. It is never easy, and almost always what ever you buy
> you will regret cause you will want it bigger, better, badder later on
> ;-)
>
> carl
>
> --
> --
> http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com

[~Roy]

"~Roy" aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...


Its b****ing asholes like you that keep the noise level going. Your
the first ****ing moron to snap today......you poor pityful
looser......

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> So would I just have to get some sort of diveter so it can run 2 differant
> things?
>
> Sorry so many questions. I am learning still.
>
>
> "~Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > No, if yuy go with a Cyprio Titan pump of say 800 gph its made to
> > power a pressure filter like the Cyprio Bio Force, and then feed a
> > water fall .....Commn box filters just plain suck at removing any
> > algae or really doing the job, and who want to be messing around in a
> > pond to clean it. External pressure buried so only the top is visible
> > is a piece of cake to maintain. At the price your just a bit higher
> > than what big box stores charge for a typical box filter and cleap
> > pump.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:38:03 GMT, "Steve" > wrote:
> >>><>So basically no matter what pumps I chose to use I should probably
just
> >>>get
> >>><>one pump and filter set up and one waterfall pump. Correct?
> >>><>
> >>><>
> >>><>
> >>><>"Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>><>> In article >, Steve
> >>><>> > wrote:
> >>><>>
> >>><>>> Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do
a
> >>><>>> pond.
> >>><>>> I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big.
It
> >>>will
> >>><>>> be
> >>><>>> a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in
> >>>the
> >>><>>> goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>> My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo
> >>>(Beckett
> >>><>>> Small
> >>><>>> Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall
> >>>that
> >>><>>> is 2
> >>><>>> ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located?
> >>><>>
> >>><>> It is very doubtful that this matched pump will run this proposed
> >>><>> waterfall with more than a small trickle (perhaps the desirable
> >>><>> effect)... consider using a 2nd pump to run the waterfall... a
> >>><>> Pondmaster #12 might be a good choice w/ 1" tubing for a strong
flow/
> >>><>> rate.
> >>><>>
> >>><>> Have you looked at the Pondmaster filter w/ a skimmer ?
> >>><>>
> >>><>> Good Luck!
> >>><>>
> >>><>> jay
> >>><>> Mon Jun 05, 2006
> >>><>>
> >>><>>
> >>><>>
> >>><>>> I
> >>><>>> noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that
> >>>is
> >>><>>> what I
> >>><>>> was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement
> >>>also.
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>> Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not
> >>>wanting to
> >>><>>> spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>> Thanks
> >>><>>> steve
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>>
> >>><>>>
> >>><>
> >
>
>

[~Roy]

"~Roy" aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Its b****ing asholes like you that keep the noise level going. Your
the first ****ing moron to snap today......you poor pityful
looser......

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Steve" > wrote:
>
> > Well I have been reading for a few weeks and finally decided to do a
pond.
> > I will probably just put a few small goldfish in it nothing big. It
will be
> > a preformed one from HD 165 gallons and 18" deep. I will bring in the
> > goldfish in the winter to an aquarium ( i have 4 of them).
> >
> > My questions is : I will be getting a pump and filter combo (Beckett
Small
> > Pond Filter Kit Model 7040210). Will I be able to run a waterfall that
is 2
> > ft high and about 3 feet away from where the pump will be located? I
> > noticed that it has a valve for other water features on it so that is
what I
> > was going to hook up to it. I will use the fountain attachement also.
> >
> > Thanks in advance. It is all confusing to me. I am jsut not wanting to
> > spend money on two pumps if not needed.
> >
> > Thanks
> > steve
>
> I have a bit bigger system than your proposing, but it sounds the same.
> A nice waterfall will probably need a 1100 GPH pump. Someone posted
> some math so you can figure it out that way if you want, but 350GPH is
> like a garden hose on medium slow.
>
> I have a second pump that runs 24/7 that is 350gph (the water fall is
> 1400gph). it pumps water to my Sand Filter, and then into my UV light.
> The waterfall pumps into a "Big" skippy filter and then to the falls.
>
> To save money, I made my own filters, including my sand filter but not
> my UV. I put plants in the pond, so it helps with the chemical process.
> Then I made a bucket up with scrubbing pads (A skippy FIlter is what it
> is called) and it really keeps the water clear. Then the UV does its
> job to help as well.
>
> UV's have to run 24/7 BTW.
>
> If you want, take a look at Veggie Filters if you are making your own.
> I would like to go back and do it again that way. Skippys are GREAT,
> but a bit more maintenance... then again, mine is too small for my pond
> and fish load...
>
> Hope this helpsl. It is never easy, and almost always what ever you buy
> you will regret cause you will want it bigger, better, badder later on
> ;-)
>
> carl
>
> --
> --
> http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com