Goldfish and Duckweed

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I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.

If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.

I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.

On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
around and sounded again.

It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
impact on the duckweed populaton.

Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
pond?

Thanks,

js


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[Galen Hekhuis]

On 8 Jun 2006 16:56:48 -0700, wrote:

>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
>I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
>If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
>goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
>I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
>studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
>On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
>around and sounded again.
>
>It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
>impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
>Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
>pond?
>
>Thanks,

I haven't had any experience yet, but I'm likely to in short order. There
are three ponds on the property here, and two of them are pretty much
covered with duckweed. My rear pond didn't have any last year (I have
pictures) but got covered this year. The front pond has been pretty much
covered with it for the past two years (and maybe before that, but I wasn't
here). The rear pond got about one third clear in April, but it has been
covered up again. The middle pond I pumped out and had bulldozed (it was
filled with trash) so I have about a 50 foot diameter unlined pond to start
with fresh. I guess some ducks (it is called duckweed) must have tracked
it in because I have some growing in the middle pond, but it hasn't become
a problem...yet. I suppose I'll try the carp if it does, and if that
doesn't work I'm not sure what I'll do. I have heard that Sonic(tm) will
kill the duckweed (and other floating plants) but leaves the fish, critters
and other plants alone. Grass carp (non-reproducing) are supposed to be
control fish, if one goes that route.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[G Pearce]

If the duckweed is of the smooth, shiny, flat variety, then yes, the gold
fish/koi will devour it - if it has ruffled, raised edges, they won't - when
I toss the the first variety into my pond, it is gone in a day - your
goldfish might be eating it and you don't realize it as I looked at your
photos and it is quite large with a LOT of duckweed - in answer to your
other question, no, I don't have a natural pond, mine is lined with EPDM,
but that shouldn't make a difference, IMO
Gale :~)


>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.
>
> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?
>
> Thanks,
>
> js
>
>
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[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

> wrote in message
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>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.

There are TWO kinds of common duckweed. The smooth leafed one is readily
eaten by both goldfish and koi. The frilly leafed one is not.

> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.
>
> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.

Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?

> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?
>
> Thanks,
>
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[Roy]

IIRC there is 2 types of duckweed. I have both koi and GF and none of
mine even touched it unless I do not feed them for a few
weeks.....and even then I doubt they realy bothered with it. .

I certainly would not put any in my ponds for a free or cheap means to
feed fish as it can get out of hand in some situaitons........Best
feed other veggies etc if your intent on additiional feeding
supplements, with things that are not gonna be invasive or take over
yur pond.


On 8 Jun 2006 16:56:48 -0700, wrote:
>><>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
>><>I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>><>
>><>If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
>><>goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>><>
>><>I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
>><>studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>><>
>><>On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
>><>around and sounded again.
>><>
>><>It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
>><>impact on the duckweed populaton.
>><>
>><>Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
>><>pond?
>><>
>><>Thanks,
>><>
>><>js

[Koi-Lo]

well what do yu expect for a stagnant mudhole you call a pond and
living where yu do and habving such an invasive speices as such in it.
Go ahead Galen listen to CArol Gulley and her sock puppets, who have
no experieince with natural ponds at all but lead you and others down
the blind winding road. You deserve all the algae and duckweed
infestations that happens too you. There is just certain thngs yu can
do in a liner type pond that is not good to do in a natural pond and
there is thngs that neds to be done in a natural pond that does not
apply to a liner pond.

Oh and so much for your so called water table that never fluctuates,
huh, is it ankle deep yet! You were told now suffer jerk!


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:18:20 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> wrote:
>><>On 8 Jun 2006 16:56:48 -0700, wrote:
>><>
>><>>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
>><>>I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>><>>
>><>>If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
>><>>goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>><>>
>><>>I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
>><>>studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>><>>
>><>>On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
>><>>around and sounded again.
>><>>
>><>>It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
>><>>impact on the duckweed populaton.
>><>>
>><>>Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
>><>>pond?
>><>>
>><>>Thanks,
>><>
>><>I haven't had any experience yet, but I'm likely to in short order. There
>><>are three ponds on the property here, and two of them are pretty much
>><>covered with duckweed. My rear pond didn't have any last year (I have
>><>pictures) but got covered this year. The front pond has been pretty much
>><>covered with it for the past two years (and maybe before that, but I wasn't
>><>here). The rear pond got about one third clear in April, but it has been
>><>covered up again. The middle pond I pumped out and had bulldozed (it was
>><>filled with trash) so I have about a 50 foot diameter unlined pond to start
>><>with fresh. I guess some ducks (it is called duckweed) must have tracked
>><>it in because I have some growing in the middle pond, but it hasn't become
>><>a problem...yet. I suppose I'll try the carp if it does, and if that
>><>doesn't work I'm not sure what I'll do. I have heard that Sonic(tm) will
>><>kill the duckweed (and other floating plants) but leaves the fish, critters
>><>and other plants alone. Grass carp (non-reproducing) are supposed to be
>><>control fish, if one goes that route.
>><>
>><> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
>><> Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:48:47 GMT, (Koi-Lo) wrote:

>well what do yu expect for a stagnant mudhole you call a pond and
>living where yu do and habving such an invasive speices as such in it.
>Go ahead Galen listen to CArol Gulley and her sock puppets, who have
>no experieince with natural ponds at all but lead you and others down
>the blind winding road. You deserve all the algae and duckweed
>infestations that happens too you. There is just certain thngs yu can
>do in a liner type pond that is not good to do in a natural pond and
>there is thngs that neds to be done in a natural pond that does not
>apply to a liner pond.
>
>Oh and so much for your so called water table that never fluctuates,
>huh, is it ankle deep yet! You were told now suffer jerk!

I didn't say my water table doesn't fluctuate (they all fluctuate), I said
that if you dig a hole and it fills up with water, your hole is below the
local water table. If you have to fill it with water, your hole is above
the local water table. My hole (pond) fills up with water without any
rain, just through the ground. And no, the water in the pond is not ankle
deep, we haven't had any rain to speak of the past three months, and there
is a lot less water in the pond, but it is hardly ankle deep. Unless your
ankles are a good three feet or more off the ground.

Oh, and I read and listen to lots of stuff, even you. Listening to you is
one of the reasons I have an aerator in the pond, and discarded ideas about
running a filter and stuff. But I thought I so disgusted you that you put
me in your killfile, or is that only when you are Roy?

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Koi-Lo]

You dumb ass your like a broken record or an answering machine,. Your
just about usjing word for word what has already been posted..wake up
and smell the roses instead of your armpits jerk!

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:24:55 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote:
>><>*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
>><>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>><>>I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
>><>> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>><>>
>><>> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
>><>> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>><>
>><>There are TWO kinds of common duckweed. The smooth leafed one is readily
>><>eaten by both goldfish and koi. The frilly leafed one is not.
>><>
>><>> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
>><>> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>><>>
>><>> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
>><>> around and sounded again.
>><>>
>><>> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
>><>> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>><>
>><>Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?
>><>
>><>> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
>><>> pond?
>><>>
>><>> Thanks,
>><>>

[Jack Schmidling]

Koi-Lo wrote:

> Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?


It is commonly known as Great Duckweed, Spirodela polyrhiza

According to your description, it should be readliy eaten by the gold
fish but is totally ignored.

js

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[Jack Schmidling]

G Pearce wrote:

> I don't have a natural pond, mine is lined with EPDM,
> but that shouldn't make a difference, IMO

I would think that there would be a vastly larger range of natural food
in a 15 year old natural pond than in a lined one. Perhaps duckweed is
pretty far down the list of favorite food and is ignored if enough other
stuff is available.

js

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[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Jack Schmidling" > wrote in message
...
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>
>> Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?
>
>
> It is commonly known as Great Duckweed, Spirodela polyrhiza
>
> According to your description, it should be readliy eaten by the gold fish
> but is totally ignored.
===============================
Both my GF and koi, fed twice a day, will eat every speck I toss to them in
minutes. They will not touch the frilly stuff. I grow duckweed in tubs
outside the ponds or they'd eat it all. Even the indoor fancy GF eat it in
minutes.

How can you know they're not eating it when your pond is so huge? They come
up under it and take a mouthful at a time. They would have to be right
where you're standing to see this, so don't get discouraged. You wont see
much of a difference with only 16 average size GF in your large pond. If
you can afford them, get a few half grown koi. They'll make a difference a
lot faster. :-)
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[Snooze]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're not bothering with the duckweed yet.
Despite common belief that goldfish are herbivores, the truth is they prefer
protein from aquatic insects over grazing on algae and duckweed. Since you
just introduced fish to the pond, I wouldn't be surprised if it's stocked
with all kinds of far more preferable things to eat.

-S

[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Galen Hekhuis" > wrote in message
...
> On 8 Jun 2006 16:56:48 -0700, wrote:
>
> >I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> >I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
> >
> >If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> >goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
> >
> >I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> >studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
> >
> >On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> >around and sounded again.
> >
> >It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> >impact on the duckweed populaton.
> >
> >Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> >pond?
> >
> >Thanks,
>
> I haven't had any experience yet, but I'm likely to in short order. There
> are three ponds on the property here, and two of them are pretty much
> covered with duckweed. My rear pond didn't have any last year (I have
> pictures) but got covered this year. The front pond has been pretty much
> covered with it for the past two years (and maybe before that, but I
wasn't
> here). The rear pond got about one third clear in April, but it has been
> covered up again. The middle pond I pumped out and had bulldozed (it was
> filled with trash) so I have about a 50 foot diameter unlined pond to
start
> with fresh. I guess some ducks (it is called duckweed) must have tracked
> it in because I have some growing in the middle pond, but it hasn't become
> a problem...yet. I suppose I'll try the carp if it does, and if that
> doesn't work I'm not sure what I'll do. I have heard that Sonic(tm) will
> kill the duckweed (and other floating plants) but leaves the fish,
critters
> and other plants alone. Grass carp (non-reproducing) are supposed to be
> control fish, if one goes that route.
>
> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
> Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Galen Hekhuis" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:48:47 GMT, (Koi-Lo) wrote:
>
> >well what do yu expect for a stagnant mudhole you call a pond and
> >living where yu do and habving such an invasive speices as such in it.
> >Go ahead Galen listen to CArol Gulley and her sock puppets, who have
> >no experieince with natural ponds at all but lead you and others down
> >the blind winding road. You deserve all the algae and duckweed
> >infestations that happens too you. There is just certain thngs yu can
> >do in a liner type pond that is not good to do in a natural pond and
> >there is thngs that neds to be done in a natural pond that does not
> >apply to a liner pond.
> >
> >Oh and so much for your so called water table that never fluctuates,
> >huh, is it ankle deep yet! You were told now suffer jerk!
>
> I didn't say my water table doesn't fluctuate (they all fluctuate), I said
> that if you dig a hole and it fills up with water, your hole is below the
> local water table. If you have to fill it with water, your hole is above
> the local water table. My hole (pond) fills up with water without any
> rain, just through the ground. And no, the water in the pond is not ankle
> deep, we haven't had any rain to speak of the past three months, and there
> is a lot less water in the pond, but it is hardly ankle deep. Unless your
> ankles are a good three feet or more off the ground.
>
> Oh, and I read and listen to lots of stuff, even you. Listening to you is
> one of the reasons I have an aerator in the pond, and discarded ideas
about
> running a filter and stuff. But I thought I so disgusted you that you put
> me in your killfile, or is that only when you are Roy?
>
> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
> Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Jack Schmidling" > wrote in message
...
> G Pearce wrote:
>
> > I don't have a natural pond, mine is lined with EPDM,
> > but that shouldn't make a difference, IMO
>
> I would think that there would be a vastly larger range of natural food
> in a 15 year old natural pond than in a lined one. Perhaps duckweed is
> pretty far down the list of favorite food and is ignored if enough other
> stuff is available.
>
> js
>
> --
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[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote in message
...
> *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> > I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
> >
> > If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> > goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> There are TWO kinds of common duckweed. The smooth leafed one is readily
> eaten by both goldfish and koi. The frilly leafed one is not.
>
> > I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> > studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
> >
> > On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> > around and sounded again.
> >
> > It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> > impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?
>
> > Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> > pond?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> I do not post from Earthlink.net
> All rude and/or obscene messages posted by my impersonator.
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>
>
>
>

[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote in message
...
> *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
>
> "Jack Schmidling" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Koi-Lo wrote:
> >
> >> Which duckweed do you have? Frilly edged or smooth?
> >
> >
> > It is commonly known as Great Duckweed, Spirodela polyrhiza
> >
> > According to your description, it should be readliy eaten by the gold
fish
> > but is totally ignored.
> ===============================
> Both my GF and koi, fed twice a day, will eat every speck I toss to them
in
> minutes. They will not touch the frilly stuff. I grow duckweed in tubs
> outside the ponds or they'd eat it all. Even the indoor fancy GF eat it
in
> minutes.
>
> How can you know they're not eating it when your pond is so huge? They
come
> up under it and take a mouthful at a time. They would have to be right
> where you're standing to see this, so don't get discouraged. You wont see
> much of a difference with only 16 average size GF in your large pond. If
> you can afford them, get a few half grown koi. They'll make a difference
a
> lot faster. :-)
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> All rude and/or obscene messages
> posted by my impersonator.
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>
>
>
>

[~Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

"Snooze" > wrote in message
. com...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> > goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
> >
> > I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> > studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if they're not bothering with the duckweed yet.
> Despite common belief that goldfish are herbivores, the truth is they
prefer
> protein from aquatic insects over grazing on algae and duckweed. Since you
> just introduced fish to the pond, I wouldn't be surprised if it's stocked
> with all kinds of far more preferable things to eat.
>
> -S
>
>

[Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

Well flattery will not get you anywhere with me boy you still are a
dickhead. See you should have spent more time studying instead of
playing with yourself. Has anyone ever told you that you look like a
Dick with ears? Well if not, you do!

Well I am of the belief that your still a ****ing asshole.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.
>
> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?
>
> Thanks,
>
> js
>
>
> --
> PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm
> Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver
> http://schmidling.com
>

[Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

You dumb ass your like a broken record or an answering machine,. Your
just about usjing word for word what has already been posted..wake up
and smell the roses instead of your armpits jerk!

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.
>
> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?
>
> Thanks,
>
> js
>
>
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[Roy]

"Roy" Hauer aka Koi-Lo > wrote in message
...

You dumb ass your like a broken record or an answering machine,. Your
just about usjing word for word what has already been posted..wake up
and smell the roses instead of your armpits jerk!

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.
>
> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?
>
> Thanks,
>
> js
>
>
> --
> PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm
> Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver
> http://schmidling.com
>

[Derek Broughton]

wrote:

> I presume there is still some expertise here in spite of the garbage so
> I would like to expand on the duckweed thing.
>
> If it were not that several people here and elsewhere have said
> goldfish eat duckweed, I would have written it off as nonsense.
>
> I bought 16 feeders yesterday and have spent a good deal of time
> studying their behavior and conclude that I have indeed been snookered.

Snookered? My experience of feeders is (a) they're often not healthy and
may not eat anything, anyway, and (b) they're too small to do much about
duckweed. Give them some time.
>
> On the rare occasion that one came to the surface, it simply looked
> around and sounded again.

Give them a week. At that point you may have some fish that are eating
healthily - or you may not have any fish at all'

> It is hard to believe that 1600 or even 16,000 would have the slightest
> impact on the duckweed populaton.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in this regard with a real (natural)
> pond?

You shouldn't put goldfish into a natural pond. In many places, it is
illegal - for good reason.
--
derek

[Koi-Lo]

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
> You shouldn't put goldfish into a natural pond. In many places, it is
> illegal - for good reason.
> --
> derek
==========================
I assumed wrong when I assumed he was talking about a natural but "man made"
pond. I though he, like my neighbor, had it dug but left it with a soil
bottom. The "natural pond" at the bottom of the pasture holds water, but
the one higher up doesn't.
--
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[Roy]

Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:31:15 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote:
>><>*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
>><>
>><>"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
>><>> wrote:
>><>>
>><>> You shouldn't put goldfish into a natural pond. In many places, it is
>><>> illegal - for good reason.
>><>> --
>><>> derek
>><>==========================
>><>I assumed wrong when I assumed he was talking about a natural but "man made"
>><>pond. I though he, like my neighbor, had it dug but left it with a soil
>><>bottom. The "natural pond" at the bottom of the pasture holds water, but
>><>the one higher up doesn't.

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

>
>
>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.

Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
quite wrong.

"It shall be unlawful to intentionally stock or release any fish, mussel,
snail, crayfish or their embryos including bait fish into the public waters
of Alabama under the jurisdiction of the Division of Wildlife and
Freshwater Fisheries as provided in Rule 220-2-.42 except those waters from
which it came without the written permission of a designated employee of
the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources authorized by the
Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries to issue such
permit. The provisions of this rule shall not apply to the incidental
release of bait into the water during the normal process of fishing.
http://www.outdooralabama.com/Fishing/freshwater/regulations/unlawful-stockings.cfm

Where it is a bit unclear (to me, at least) is the case where private
waters (ponds, springs, creeks and the like) flow into public waters or are
in the drainage basins of public waters.

Legal issues may not have been in the original post, however, they should
never be ignored.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Roy]

Private waters asshole, and allprivate waters are those that are not
able to flow into naturally occuring streams and rivers.......UNLESS a
proper baricade is installed.............look it up, its there, it
even covers flood plains where one body of water does not connect to
another unless a flood occurs.........If it was illegal as yu say,
then thoe folks raising lkoi and goldk fishin the Pea river area would
be out fo business, as they utilized waters from the pea ribver for
their fish farms............and koi and gf are not native of
Alabama......
Same thing for the Tilapia farmers, off Pintlala creek, and the
ALABAMA river...those fish sure are not native either.....Private
constructed ponds on your own property yoou can put what you want in
them, and a dug pond with a dirt/clay bottom is still classed as a
natural pond here......so donpt say its against the l aw untilyou know
what the **** yur talking about. Besides perhaps you need to worry
about your area and not alabama since you do not live here anyhow....

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> wrote:
>><>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>><>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>><>>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>><>>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>><>>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>><>>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>><>>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>><>>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>><>>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.
>><>
>><>Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
>><>correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
>><>quite wrong.
>><>
>><>"It shall be unlawful to intentionally stock or release any fish, mussel,
>><>snail, crayfish or their embryos including bait fish into the public waters
>><>of Alabama under the jurisdiction of the Division of Wildlife and
>><>Freshwater Fisheries as provided in Rule 220-2-.42 except those waters from
>><>which it came without the written permission of a designated employee of
>><>the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources authorized by the
>><>Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries to issue such
>><>permit. The provisions of this rule shall not apply to the incidental
>><>release of bait into the water during the normal process of fishing.
>><>http://www.outdooralabama.com/Fishing/freshwater/regulations/unlawful-stockings.cfm
>><>
>><>Where it is a bit unclear (to me, at least) is the case where private
>><>waters (ponds, springs, creeks and the like) flow into public waters or are
>><>in the drainage basins of public waters.
>><>
>><>Legal issues may not have been in the original post, however, they should
>><>never be ignored.
>><>
>><> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
>><> Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Derek Broughton]

Galen Hekhuis wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.
>
> Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
> correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
> quite wrong.

It's "quite wrong" in public and private waters of _most_ states and
provinces. Roy, as usual, is the one who doesn't know what he's talking
about. It may in fact be legal for him to introduce goldfish into private
waters - but then I said "in many places".
--
derek

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:19:12 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

>
>Private waters asshole, and allprivate waters are those that are not
>able to flow into naturally occuring streams and rivers.......UNLESS a
>proper baricade is installed.............look it up, its there, it
>even covers flood plains where one body of water does not connect to
>another unless a flood occurs.........If it was illegal as yu say,
>then thoe folks raising lkoi and goldk fishin the Pea river area would
>be out fo business, as they utilized waters from the pea ribver for
>their fish farms............and koi and gf are not native of
>Alabama......
>Same thing for the Tilapia farmers, off Pintlala creek, and the
>ALABAMA river...those fish sure are not native either.....Private
>constructed ponds on your own property yoou can put what you want in
>them, and a dug pond with a dirt/clay bottom is still classed as a
>natural pond here......so donpt say its against the l aw untilyou know
>what the **** yur talking about. Besides perhaps you need to worry
>about your area and not alabama since you do not live here anyhow....

Like I said, you may be entirely correct regarding private waters. But it
is illegal in public waters "... without the written permission of a
designated employee of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources
authorized by the Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater
Fisheries to issue such permit." I would imagine the examples you present
are also examples where a permit might be issued.

Alabama is sort of "my area." Granted, I don't live there, but I was up in
Huntsville last summer. The National Speleological Society held its
convention in Huntsville last year. They also held their convention in
Birmingham and Huntsville in 1967, and, while I did not attend that one, I
was in Huntsville that year too. Alabama is one of the TAG (Tennessee,
Alabama, Georgia) states that is home to some of the deepest caves in the
US. In 1967 Alabama was home to the deepest drop (Surprise Pit, 425') that
we knew of in the US. (It has since been replaced by Ellison's, in
Georgia.) I was born in Mississippi (you know, that state right next to
you that shoved your state out of first place to lead the nation in
illiteracy) and often crossed Alabama to visit friends and relatives.
Seems like for the past forty years I've been either traveling through or
to Alabama at a minimum of at least once a year, often quite a bit more.
Besides, most of the water in SE Alabama winds up flowing into Florida on
its way to the Gulf. I (and some others) tend to care a little about what
you all throw into your water.

>
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> wrote:
>>><>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>>><>
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>>><>>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>>><>>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>>><>>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>>><>>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>>><>>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>>><>>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>>><>>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.
>>><>
>>><>Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
>>><>correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
>>><>quite wrong.
>>><>
>>><>"It shall be unlawful to intentionally stock or release any fish, mussel,
>>><>snail, crayfish or their embryos including bait fish into the public waters
>>><>of Alabama under the jurisdiction of the Division of Wildlife and
>>><>Freshwater Fisheries as provided in Rule 220-2-.42 except those waters from
>>><>which it came without the written permission of a designated employee of
>>><>the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources authorized by the
>>><>Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries to issue such
>>><>permit. The provisions of this rule shall not apply to the incidental
>>><>release of bait into the water during the normal process of fishing.
>>><>http://www.outdooralabama.com/Fishing/freshwater/regulations/unlawful-stockings.cfm
>>><>
>>><>Where it is a bit unclear (to me, at least) is the case where private
>>><>waters (ponds, springs, creeks and the like) flow into public waters or are
>>><>in the drainage basins of public waters.
>>><>
>>><>Legal issues may not have been in the original post, however, they should
>>><>never be ignored.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Koi-Lo]

So if a permit is granted then don;t say its not allowedss....See its
still a ****ing non native speices in public waters.....Yea, we can
tell Mississippi is the head state with most inbred asshoes like
Galen........and yur claim to Alabama is far from being bona fide, yur
just a ****ing carpet bagger passing bye.....without a clue.

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:13:00 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> wrote:
>><>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:19:12 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>><>
>><>>
>><>>Private waters asshole, and allprivate waters are those that are not
>><>>able to flow into naturally occuring streams and rivers.......UNLESS a
>><>>proper baricade is installed.............look it up, its there, it
>><>>even covers flood plains where one body of water does not connect to
>><>>another unless a flood occurs.........If it was illegal as yu say,
>><>>then thoe folks raising lkoi and goldk fishin the Pea river area would
>><>>be out fo business, as they utilized waters from the pea ribver for
>><>>their fish farms............and koi and gf are not native of
>><>>Alabama......
>><>>Same thing for the Tilapia farmers, off Pintlala creek, and the
>><>>ALABAMA river...those fish sure are not native either.....Private
>><>>constructed ponds on your own property yoou can put what you want in
>><>>them, and a dug pond with a dirt/clay bottom is still classed as a
>><>>natural pond here......so donpt say its against the l aw untilyou know
>><>>what the **** yur talking about. Besides perhaps you need to worry
>><>>about your area and not alabama since you do not live here anyhow....
>><>
>><>Like I said, you may be entirely correct regarding private waters. But it
>><>is illegal in public waters "... without the written permission of a
>><>designated employee of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources
>><>authorized by the Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater
>><>Fisheries to issue such permit." I would imagine the examples you present
>><>are also examples where a permit might be issued.
>><>
>><>Alabama is sort of "my area." Granted, I don't live there, but I was up in
>><>Huntsville last summer. The National Speleological Society held its
>><>convention in Huntsville last year. They also held their convention in
>><>Birmingham and Huntsville in 1967, and, while I did not attend that one, I
>><>was in Huntsville that year too. Alabama is one of the TAG (Tennessee,
>><>Alabama, Georgia) states that is home to some of the deepest caves in the
>><>US. In 1967 Alabama was home to the deepest drop (Surprise Pit, 425') that
>><>we knew of in the US. (It has since been replaced by Ellison's, in
>><>Georgia.) I was born in Mississippi (you know, that state right next to
>><>you that shoved your state out of first place to lead the nation in
>><>illiteracy) and often crossed Alabama to visit friends and relatives.
>><>Seems like for the past forty years I've been either traveling through or
>><>to Alabama at a minimum of at least once a year, often quite a bit more.
>><>Besides, most of the water in SE Alabama winds up flowing into Florida on
>><>its way to the Gulf. I (and some others) tend to care a little about what
>><>you all throw into your water.
>><>
>><>>
>><>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:07:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> wrote:
>><>>>><>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>
>><>>>><>>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>><>>>><>>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>><>>>><>>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>><>>>><>>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>><>>>><>>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>><>>>><>>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>><>>>><>>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>><>>>><>>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
>><>>>><>correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
>><>>>><>quite wrong.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>"It shall be unlawful to intentionally stock or release any fish, mussel,
>><>>>><>snail, crayfish or their embryos including bait fish into the public waters
>><>>>><>of Alabama under the jurisdiction of the Division of Wildlife and
>><>>>><>Freshwater Fisheries as provided in Rule 220-2-.42 except those waters from
>><>>>><>which it came without the written permission of a designated employee of
>><>>>><>the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources authorized by the
>><>>>><>Director of the Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries to issue such
>><>>>><>permit. The provisions of this rule shall not apply to the incidental
>><>>>><>release of bait into the water during the normal process of fishing.
>><>>>><>http://www.outdooralabama.com/Fishing/freshwater/regulations/unlawful-stockings.cfm
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>Where it is a bit unclear (to me, at least) is the case where private
>><>>>><>waters (ponds, springs, creeks and the like) flow into public waters or are
>><>>>><>in the drainage basins of public waters.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>Legal issues may not have been in the original post, however, they should
>><>>>><>never be ignored.
>><>
>><> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
>><> Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

[Koi-Lo]

Thankfully Alabama or most of the uSA is not even closely in tune with
what Canada considers correct.......wrong is not the issue now is it
Dereck..Its wrong to **** on the neighbors grass, but its still done,
and its wrong to spint on public pavements but its still done, yet
nothing is ever done about it either......I kjnow what I am talking
about that concerns Alabama and how things are done here. I could give
a rats ass about how they do it in canada, in Florida or up uynder the
freaking queen mums skirt.......It matters not to me......but your
worng about what can and can';t be done in Alabama
About like your stance with advice given to Carol
Gulley...............****ing dumbass

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:55:41 -0300, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>><>Galen Hekhuis wrote:
>><>
>><>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:29:20 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>><>>
>><>>>
>><>>>
>><>>>Maybe in a crontolled co untry like Canada and a controlling state
>><>>>like CAlifornia, things like this may be illegal , but its certianly
>><>>>not the case all around the usa by any means.........a natural pond is
>><>>>allowed fish or whatever speices you want to put in it in my area, as
>><>>>long as approved guards . barriers are inplace. I love it when folks
>><>>>do not know the ****ing answer and have tp imediately point out legakl
>><>>>issues, when legal issues was not the original quesiton any
>><>>>how...........typical crap from a bunch of ******s without a clue.
>><>>
>><>> Uh, sort of. As far as private waters are concerned, Roy may indeed be
>><>> correct. However, as far as public waters go in Alabama, the statement is
>><>> quite wrong.
>><>
>><>It's "quite wrong" in public and private waters of _most_ states and
>><>provinces. Roy, as usual, is the one who doesn't know what he's talking
>><>about. It may in fact be legal for him to introduce goldfish into private
>><>waters - but then I said "in many places".