Fish tank in my Bedroom , I have a age old problem , Advice please.

[Andy Peteman]

Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .

I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
, i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
can put the tank .

Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
you can kinda hear it..........

I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.

Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.

Advice welcome.

[-Roy-]

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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:10:53 GMT, "Andy Peteman" >
wrote:
>><>Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
>><>the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
>><>of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>><>
>><>I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
>><>around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
>><>like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
>><>although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
>><>it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
>><>back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
>><>, i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
>><>can put the tank .
>><>
>><>Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
>><>goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
>><>12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
>><>fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
>><>filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
>><>you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
>><>you can kinda hear it..........
>><>
>><>I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
>><>sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
>><>24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>><>
>><>Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
>><>or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
>><>can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.
>><>
>><>Advice welcome.
>><>

[Koi-Lo]

"Andy Peteman" > wrote in message
...
but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day ,
> when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away
> in the back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .

And the prime reason I never had a tank in my bedroom. :-) I have some
Aquaclears that are almost dead silent unless you're real close to them.

.........so i have too options
> , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where
> i can put the tank .
>
> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
> light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
> during say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or
> suitable for the fish ,

I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without a
fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.

i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
> filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little ,
> but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a
> pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
>
> I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
> the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump
> is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.

Do you mean air-pump? Most of those I had were a bit too noisy for a
bedroom.

> Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish
> , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs ,
> if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.

If I were you I would either try and find an almost silent HOB filter or
move the tank out of the bedroom.
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[Koi-Lo]

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> wants mammoth snozwanger for scandalous beanfeast. Mail me at <Reply
> to NG Only>

[Bill Stock]

"Andy Peteman" > wrote in message
...

> I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
> around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
> like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day ,
> when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away
> in the back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have
> too options , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front
> room , where i can put the tank .

> Advice welcome.

You don't mention what kind of filter you have? Is it a HOT, Canister or
internal filter? Is the noise caused by the water returning to the tank (HOT
or Canister) or the filter itself. If it's water causing the noise, try
adjusting the return flow. If the noise is caused by the filter itself, try
changing filters. I've never had a bedroom tank, so I don't know if the
noise would bother me or not. Constant noises are much easier to get used to
than intermittent noises. It might also be possible to block the noise out
with some other white noise.

If cash is not a problem, I might go for an external filter (Canister) and
put it in a closet, noise proof box or even another room if possible.
Mother-in-Law's room comes to mind. :)

[Altum]

Andy Peteman wrote:
> Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
> the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
> of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>
> I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
> around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
> like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
> it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
> back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
> , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
> can put the tank .
>
> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
> goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
> 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
> fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
> filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
> you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
> you can kinda hear it..........
>
> I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
> sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
> 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>
> Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
> or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
> can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.
>
> Advice welcome.
>
Are you talking about the airpump or the filter? Use a filter that
provides surface turbulence like a Whisper or an Aquaclear and you don't
need an airstone. You can't turn a filter off for seven hours every
night. The helpful bacteria in it would die off without oxygen - I
doubt the tank would even cycle properly.

Consider buying an internal filter. They're extremely quiet. Canister
filters are almost as quiet, although bubbles stuck in the impeller
sometimes make noise.

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[dc]

"Andy Peteman" > wrote in
:

> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
> light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen

Bad idea. Not only are you risking a build up of nitrogenous wastes over
night (which will depend on a number of factors), but the lack of surface
agitation is a recipe for CO2 build-up (possibly poisoning) and a large pH
drop--especially if you have plants.

Any way you look at it you would be causing routine nightly stress to your
fish.

A better solution would be to invest in a quieter filter. Most high quality
canister filters are dead silent. Consider a small Eheim Ecco or something
along those lines. These filters are so quiet you'd have to put your ear up
against the motor head in the dead of night to hear a thing.

http://www.eheim.com/ecco.htm

[dc]

"Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote in
:

> I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without
> a fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.

The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria
are a lot more resilient than people give credit.

What would happen is that the lack of circulation would prevent the
bacteria from doing its job properly. The low levels of dissolved O2
combined with the high concentration of ammonia present by morning would
mean it would take time for it to be processed out of the system once the
filter is switched back on.

The pH would being to climb the moment circulation resumes as all the
built-up CO2 is forced out of the system, making the lingering ammonia all
the more dangerous.

[dc]

Btw... I have three fish tanks in my bedroom. Guess what kind of filters I
use. ;)

The only thing that makes noise on any of my aquariums is the cooling fan
for my power compact lamps.

[Koi-Lo]

"dc" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-Lo" <Reply to NG Only> wrote in
> :
>
>> I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without
>> a fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.
>
> The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria
> are a lot more resilient than people give credit.

This may be true but many filters, like the ACs have a deep 2 sponge well
that would quickly go anaerobic under the sponges after several hours.
Perhaps the shape and depth of the filtering material would make the
difference. I know when we lose power at night and I get them started again
come morning, I can sometimes smell a funky odor they don't emit when not
stopped for who knows how many hours. For some reason ACs don't always start
by themselves when the power comes back on.

> What would happen is that the lack of circulation would prevent the
> bacteria from doing its job properly. The low levels of dissolved O2
> combined with the high concentration of ammonia present by morning would
> mean it would take time for it to be processed out of the system once the
> filter is switched back on.

That doesn't sound too good..... :-(

> The pH would being to climb the moment circulation resumes as all the
> built-up CO2 is forced out of the system, making the lingering ammonia all
> the more dangerous.

It's just not a good idea to shut them off.
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[dc]

"Koi-Lo" <Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
:

> "dc" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter
>> bacteria are a lot more resilient than people give credit.
>
> This may be true but many filters, like the ACs have a deep 2 sponge
> well that would quickly go anaerobic under the sponges after several

Hypoxia won't directly kill off aerobic bacteria, it simply prevents them
from obtaining food through nitrification. The hypoxic conditions need to
persist for an extended period of time for the nitrifying bacteria to begin
to die off rapidly due to, essentially, starvation.


> them started again come morning, I can sometimes smell a funky odor
> they don't emit when not stopped for who knows how many hours. For

The odor you are smelling could be a lot of things, the least of which are
dead nitrosomonos. My first guess would be sulfuric gasses produced by
anaerobic bacteria.


> some reason ACs don't always start by themselves when the power comes
> back on.

This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller, usually
friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the impeller blades
and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the plastic
blades, it should spring to life.

[Koi-Lo]

"dc" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller, usually
> friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the impeller
> blades
> and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
> impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the plastic
> blades, it should spring to life.
============================
That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the impeller
blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip. I have noticed
if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller walls they wont start
themselves either.
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[dc]

"Koi-Lo" <Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
:

> "dc" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller,
>> usually friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the
>> impeller blades
>> and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
>> impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the
>> plastic blades, it should spring to life.
> ============================
> That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the
> impeller blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip.
> I have noticed if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller
> walls they wont start themselves either.

This problem happens a lot less often if you regularly clean the impeller,
shaft, and motor well.

My AC motor cleaning kit consists of a pipe cleaner brush and an old tooth
brush. I remove the impeller and clean it with the tooth brush, then yank
out the impeller shaft with a pair of pliers and clean it with a soft rag
or paper towel, then I clean the inside of the motor well with the pipe
cleaner brush. I suppose a very fine pipe cleaner would work well to clean
the inside of the impeller magnet and remove any metallic fray from the
inside of the magnet, but I've never found it necessary to spend the time
trying to obtain one fine enough to fit.

Cleaning the motor regularly also cuts down on the wear and the amount of
noise the AC filters tend to make after operating for a few months.

[Koi-Lo]

"dc" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
> :
>
>> "dc" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>> This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller,
>>> usually friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the
>>> impeller blades
>>> and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
>>> impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the
>>> plastic blades, it should spring to life.
>> ============================
>> That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the
>> impeller blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip.
>> I have noticed if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller
>> walls they wont start themselves either.
>
> This problem happens a lot less often if you regularly clean the impeller,
> shaft, and motor well.

You're right. I should do them more often. I squeeze out the sponges every
week or so but only clean the impellers/wells once a month. :(

> My AC motor cleaning kit consists of a pipe cleaner brush and an old tooth
> brush. I remove the impeller and clean it with the tooth brush, then yank
> out the impeller shaft with a pair of pliers and clean it with a soft rag
> or paper towel, then I clean the inside of the motor well with the pipe
> cleaner brush. I suppose a very fine pipe cleaner would work well to
> clean
> the inside of the impeller magnet and remove any metallic fray from the
> inside of the magnet, but I've never found it necessary to spend the time
> trying to obtain one fine enough to fit.

I'm not that particular. I also use an old toothbrush to clean the magnet
and blades, but a Q-tip to do the well. I don't remove the pin or shaft.

> Cleaning the motor regularly also cuts down on the wear and the amount of
> noise the AC filters tend to make after operating for a few months.

I don't doubt that a bit. I've been fortunate in that only one of my ACs
has an irritating grumble. It's in the sunroom so we're not bothered by the
sound.
--

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[Papa Red]

You wrote:
Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank
in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a
50/50 mix of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i
do like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my
problem , although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during
the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little suitable
space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank .
Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
during * say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair
or suitable for the fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter
sponge between the filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the
nose down a little , but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of
night , if you hear a pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the
pump is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the
fish , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank
downstairs , if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the
filter.
Advice welcome.
-------------------------------------------------
My response:
I live in a small studio apartment, one currently running 11
aquariums,...two 30, one 20, and the rest 10 gallon aquariums,...And for
me it sounds just like I've got a small babblin' brook running through
my place,...very relaxing. But perhaps yours makes a different sound [I
have Whispers 10 & 20's], one not so pleasing,...So it would be better,
after trying to get used to their sound, if you find that you can not,
then perhaps it would be much better for both you and your fish, to
relocate the tank elsewhere, to that place downstairs. But think about
this,...If you were to get used to the sound, you could then watch your
fish swim around their tank, with only a soft light illuminating
them,...with the rest of the room being dark,...something that can be
very relaxing,...making it much easier to nod off after a long hard day.
You should first try that and see if you can get used to it,...and see
what happens. Good Luck! Pax Vobiscum,...~Dean.

[Andy Peteman]

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
You wrote:
Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank
in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a
50/50 mix of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i
do like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my
problem , although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during
the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little suitable
space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank .
Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
during say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair
or suitable for the fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter
sponge between the filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the
nose down a little , but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of
night , if you hear a pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the
pump is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the
fish , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank
downstairs , if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the
filter.
Advice welcome.
-------------------------------------------------
My response:
I live in a small studio apartment, one currently running 11
aquariums,...two 30, one 20, and the rest 10 gallon aquariums,...And for
me it sounds just like I've got a small babblin' brook running through
my place,...very relaxing. But perhaps yours makes a different sound [I
have Whispers 10 & 20's], one not so pleasing,...So it would be better,
after trying to get used to their sound, if you find that you can not,
then perhaps it would be much better for both you and your fish, to
relocate the tank elsewhere, to that place downstairs. But think about
this,...If you were to get used to the sound, you could then watch your
fish swim around their tank, with only a soft light illuminating
them,...with the rest of the room being dark,...something that can be
very relaxing,...making it much easier to nod off after a long hard day.
You should first try that and see if you can get used to it,...and see
what happens. Good Luck! Pax Vobiscum,...~Dean.

Hi , Thank you all for your replys , the filter is a internal filter which
produces the air wave across the surface for the oxygen , my ideal soultion
would be a virtually silent internal filter which did the same job , can
anyone post some a link to reccomended as used by the poster internal
filters , its only a 2 foot tank , so i would rather kind the soultion
internal , i'm happy to pay the price for the right filter , but would hate
to spend the cash and find i was back where i started , but with a spare
filter , i may never use , thank you all.

[Dick]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:27:35 GMT, Altum >
wrote:

>Andy Peteman wrote:
>> Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
>> the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
>> of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>>
>> I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
>> around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
>> like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
>> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
>> it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
>> back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
>> , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
>> can put the tank .
>>
>> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
>> goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
>> 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
>> fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
>> filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
>> you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
>> you can kinda hear it..........
>>
>> I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
>> sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
>> 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>>
>> Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
>> or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
>> can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.
>>
>> Advice welcome.
>>
>Are you talking about the airpump or the filter? Use a filter that
>provides surface turbulence like a Whisper or an Aquaclear and you don't
>need an airstone. You can't turn a filter off for seven hours every
>night. The helpful bacteria in it would die off without oxygen - I
>doubt the tank would even cycle properly.
>
>Consider buying an internal filter. They're extremely quiet. Canister
>filters are almost as quiet, although bubbles stuck in the impeller
>sometimes make noise.

I have a 10 gallon tank in my bedroom. It has a Whisper Jr filter.
It is quiet. Also the socks do not have charcoal preloaded as I quit
using charcoal years ago. I just clean the sock and leave it in the
sun for a few hours then reuse it.

I did have one Whisper become noisy. It was cheap to replace.

I quit using air stones well over a year ago when I realized the
bubbles when bursting above the water, were sending minerals flying
making mineral deposits of the frame and in one tank creating
conditions for an algae growth on the glass cover's bottom.

dick

[Dick]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:43:51 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages posted in
my name by Hipcrime.> wrote:

>
>"dc" > wrote in message
.. .
>> "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "dc" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>>
>>>> This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller,
>>>> usually friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the
>>>> impeller blades
>>>> and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
>>>> impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the
>>>> plastic blades, it should spring to life.
>>> ============================
>>> That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the
>>> impeller blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip.
>>> I have noticed if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller
>>> walls they wont start themselves either.
>>
>> This problem happens a lot less often if you regularly clean the impeller,
>> shaft, and motor well.
>
>You're right. I should do them more often. I squeeze out the sponges every
>week or so but only clean the impellers/wells once a month. :(
>
>> My AC motor cleaning kit consists of a pipe cleaner brush and an old tooth
>> brush. I remove the impeller and clean it with the tooth brush, then yank
>> out the impeller shaft with a pair of pliers and clean it with a soft rag
>> or paper towel, then I clean the inside of the motor well with the pipe
>> cleaner brush. I suppose a very fine pipe cleaner would work well to
>> clean
>> the inside of the impeller magnet and remove any metallic fray from the
>> inside of the magnet, but I've never found it necessary to spend the time
>> trying to obtain one fine enough to fit.
>
>I'm not that particular. I also use an old toothbrush to clean the magnet
>and blades, but a Q-tip to do the well. I don't remove the pin or shaft.
>
>> Cleaning the motor regularly also cuts down on the wear and the amount of
>> noise the AC filters tend to make after operating for a few months.
>
>I don't doubt that a bit. I've been fortunate in that only one of my ACs
>has an irritating grumble. It's in the sunroom so we're not bothered by the
>sound.

I do partial water changes twice weekly. I look at the water flow out
of the filter. Slow flow is the signal to clean the filter media. If
the flow is still slow after changing the media, I know I need to
clean the impeller, magnet and motor well. Good time to check the
intake plumbing as well.

dick

[Dick]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:36:10 -0400, (Papa Red)
wrote:

>You wrote:
>Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank
>in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a
>50/50 mix of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
>around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i
>do like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my
>problem , although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during
>the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
>hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
>bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little suitable
>space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank .
>Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
>light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
>during * say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair
>or suitable for the fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter
>sponge between the filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the
>nose down a little , but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of
>night , if you hear a pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
>I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
>the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the
>pump is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the
>fish , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank
>downstairs , if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the
>filter.
>Advice welcome.
>-------------------------------------------------
>My response:
>I live in a small studio apartment, one currently running 11
>aquariums,...two 30, one 20, and the rest 10 gallon aquariums,...And for
>me it sounds just like I've got a small babblin' brook running through
>my place,...very relaxing. But perhaps yours makes a different sound [I
>have Whispers 10 & 20's], one not so pleasing,...So it would be better,
>after trying to get used to their sound, if you find that you can not,
>then perhaps it would be much better for both you and your fish, to
>relocate the tank elsewhere, to that place downstairs. But think about
>this,...If you were to get used to the sound, you could then watch your
>fish swim around their tank, with only a soft light illuminating
>them,...with the rest of the room being dark,...something that can be
>very relaxing,...making it much easier to nod off after a long hard day.
>You should first try that and see if you can get used to it,...and see
>what happens. Good Luck! Pax Vobiscum,...~Dean.


I live in a very quiet small town and also treasure quietness. I
cannot hear the Whisper Jr. in my 10 gallon tank which shares the
bedroom. If I don't clean the filters in my 75 gallon,s tank in the
living room, I can hear the overflow.

dick

[Koi-Lo]

Koi-Lo<Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime.>wrote:

> >.

Fish louse celebrates, then fever blister ejects flatulence.

> You're right.

Commonly chipmunk melts, therefore jizz queen wiggles.

> I should do them more often.

If sumo wrestler turns kettle, can flap-dragon falls?

> I squeeze out the sponges every week or so but only clean the
> impellers/wells once a month.

Flyswatter is onerously negligent?

> :(.

If fish indirectly imagines door-to-door salesman, then hairy-legged
vampire bat jumps.

> >.

Haggler is postmenopausal?

> >.

If chronic masturbator fears gimmick, can oaf chortles?

> I'm not that particular.

Cow reveals hose bag hereditably conceals fruit cocktail.

> I also use an old toothbrush to clean the magnet and blades, but a
> Q-tip to do the well.

Lamer commensurately tootles tramp.

> I don't remove the pin or shaft.

Hog divaricately nails black sheep.

> >.

Intermittently gnawing animal runs, whereas butt sucker quivers.

> >.

If shark splits soft-bellied toad, then novice relaxes.

> I don't doubt that a bit.

Porter turns, and oaf skips but mongoose flips trollop.

> I've been fortunate in that only one of my ACs has an irritating
> grumble.

Hoof eats, and lewdster hunts wagtail.

> It's in the sunroom so we're not bothered by the sound.

Barbarian splits, and gooney bird plays but barman imagines grub.

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[Jürgen Exner]

Andy Peteman wrote:
> Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft
> tank in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank
[...]
> during the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
> hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
> bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little
> suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank

It should be fairly simple to build a little soundproof enclosure for the
filter, ideally underneath the tank, and just run the hoses through small
holes.
Of course you have to make sure that the filter is sitting on soft material
such that the enclosure doesn't become an amplifier.

jue

[Koi-Lo]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> I do partial water changes twice weekly. I look at the water flow out
> of the filter. Slow flow is the signal to clean the filter media. If
> the flow is still slow after changing the media, I know I need to
> clean the impeller, magnet and motor well. Good time to check the
> intake plumbing as well.
==============================
I'm down to partial water changes about every 10 days. I have to move some
goldfish outside and knock down several of these tanks. I have so many
irons in the fire and just so much energy to go around. Although I will
keep 3 tanks (two 55s and one 10g) in the house, I find they're so much
easier to care for outdoors. :-)

I'm losing flow in one old AC because the intake tube wont stay snug against
the collar in the filter. It's just worn out. I'm amazed how long these
filters last. I bought the first ones around 1987 or 88.

I have one uncovered 150g in-ground pool and saw a black racer snake out
there this morning. All the other tanks and tubs are covered.

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[Koi-Lo]

"Jürgen Exner" > wrote in message
news:4DWig.10993$Bj6.510@trnddc08...
> It should be fairly simple to build a little soundproof enclosure for the
> filter, ideally underneath the tank, and just run the hoses through small
> holes.
> Of course you have to make sure that the filter is sitting on soft
> material such that the enclosure doesn't become an amplifier.
========================
Those small, cheap, insulated white Styrofoam picnic boxes at Wal*Mart and
K-Mart work well for canisters that make noise, or so I read on some
website. As for HOB filters..... *sign*........
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[-Roy-]

Oh man a black racer snake, was there a number 3 on its sides?
Or was that black racer snake actuyally somethng else Carol?


On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:57:09 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my
name by Hipcrime.> wrote:
>><>
>><>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>><>> I do partial water changes twice weekly. I look at the water flow out
>><>> of the filter. Slow flow is the signal to clean the filter media. If
>><>> the flow is still slow after changing the media, I know I need to
>><>> clean the impeller, magnet and motor well. Good time to check the
>><>> intake plumbing as well.
>><>==============================
>><>I'm down to partial water changes about every 10 days. I have to move some
>><>goldfish outside and knock down several of these tanks. I have so many
>><>irons in the fire and just so much energy to go around. Although I will
>><>keep 3 tanks (two 55s and one 10g) in the house, I find they're so much
>><>easier to care for outdoors. :-)
>><>
>><>I'm losing flow in one old AC because the intake tube wont stay snug against
>><>the collar in the filter. It's just worn out. I'm amazed how long these
>><>filters last. I bought the first ones around 1987 or 88.
>><>
>><>I have one uncovered 150g in-ground pool and saw a black racer snake out
>><>there this morning. All the other tanks and tubs are covered.

[dc]

Dick > wrote in
:

> I have a 10 gallon tank in my bedroom. It has a Whisper Jr filter.
> It is quiet. Also the socks do not have charcoal preloaded as I quit
> using charcoal years ago. I just clean the sock and leave it in the
> sun for a few hours then reuse it.

Why do you leave it in the sun, if you don't mind my asking?

It might be a good idea to avoid drying the filter bag out completely to
ensure you keep the nitrifying bacteria living within healthy. If your
tank is mature than there is plenty of other nitrifying bacteria living
elsewhere, but why bother killing off the ones living in the area of
highest flow?

[dc]

"Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
:

> Those small, cheap, insulated white Styrofoam picnic boxes at Wal*Mart
> and K-Mart work well for canisters that make noise, or so I read on
> some website. As for HOB filters..... *sign*........

I've never owned a canister that made noise, but then again I've never
owned a Fluval. :D

[Koi-Lo]

"dc" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
> :
>
>> Those small, cheap, insulated white Styrofoam picnic boxes at Wal*Mart
>> and K-Mart work well for canisters that make noise, or so I read on
>> some website. As for HOB filters..... *sign*........
>
> I've never owned a canister that made noise, but then again I've never
> owned a Fluval. :D
==================
I heard they've been improved in the last few years. Actually my Fluval 103
was pretty quiet all things considered. I find the worst offenders where
noise is concerned are airpumps. GEEZE! Even the so-called quiet ones can
be heard if the house is quiet enough at night.
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[dc]

"Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
:

> I heard they've been improved in the last few years. Actually my
> Fluval 103 was pretty quiet all things considered. I find the worst
> offenders where noise is concerned are airpumps. GEEZE! Even the
> so-called quiet ones can be heard if the house is quiet enough at
> night.

We've brought some of the newer models into the store to test recently,
including the fancy FX5. We weren't impressed... they're still using the
same old parts that tend to break that caused us to stop carrying them in
the first place.

The two canister brands I trust are Eheim (biological) and Rena XP
(mechanical). Tetra makes some good pond canisters too.

[Koi-Lo]

"dc" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in
> :
>
>> I heard they've been improved in the last few years. Actually my
>> Fluval 103 was pretty quiet all things considered. I find the worst
>> offenders where noise is concerned are airpumps. GEEZE! Even the
>> so-called quiet ones can be heard if the house is quiet enough at
>> night.
==========
> We've brought some of the newer models into the store to test recently,
> including the fancy FX5. We weren't impressed... they're still using the
> same old parts that tend to break that caused us to stop carrying them in
> the first place.

I believe Gill bought one for her largest tank a few months ago. She's
happy with it. You probably saw my earlier messages regarding the poor
quality parts on the Fluvals of the recent past. Both disconnect valves on
mine broke, cracked or leaked within a few months and had to be removed.
Then a clip that holds the top on snapped off. The top itself was very
difficult to get back on with that round rubber ring seated right. The
hoses were always coated with a thick coating of slime and no matter how
carefully I pulled the brush through them I had a mess around the sink.
What a PIA,... it now sits in the outbuilding collecting cobwebs. I don't
care for the canisters at all.

> The two canister brands I trust are Eheim (biological) and Rena XP
> (mechanical). Tetra makes some good pond canisters too.

I think I'll stick to the HOB filters. I read about the pond canisters. I
just have the Tetra regular barrel filters on the 2 biggest ponds (plus UV
lights when I need them) and home-made filters on the 680g and 150g pools
and tanks behind the house.
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[-Roy-]

You mean your neighbors have those, your pond is only existent in
your feeble mind....or that pot hole in the street.

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:26:33 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my
name by Roy Hauer using Hipcrime.> wrote:

...
>><>> "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my name by Hipcrime.> wrote in

[Dick]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:20:46 -0500, dc > wrote:

>Dick > wrote in
:
>
>> I have a 10 gallon tank in my bedroom. It has a Whisper Jr filter.
>> It is quiet. Also the socks do not have charcoal preloaded as I quit
>> using charcoal years ago. I just clean the sock and leave it in the
>> sun for a few hours then reuse it.
>
>Why do you leave it in the sun, if you don't mind my asking?
>
>It might be a good idea to avoid drying the filter bag out completely to
>ensure you keep the nitrifying bacteria living within healthy. If your
>tank is mature than there is plenty of other nitrifying bacteria living
>elsewhere, but why bother killing off the ones living in the area of
>highest flow?

The sun bleaches the media so it "looks" clean. Also, I have a
notion, that it does some kind of good. When I was a teen ager I used
to remove the gravel and spread it on newspaper in the sun. I don't
remember why. It's just a notion in my head. Since I am happy with
how my 5 tanks are doing, I just thought I would mention this oddity.

dick

[Koi-Lo]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> The sun bleaches the media so it "looks" clean. Also, I have a
> notion, that it does some kind of good. When I was a teen ager I used
> to remove the gravel and spread it on newspaper in the sun. I don't
> remember why. It's just a notion in my head. Since I am happy with
> how my 5 tanks are doing, I just thought I would mention this oddity.
============================
If it works for you then stick with it. When I've had a disease/parasite
problem in a tank and had to tear it down I would not only bleach everything
but then do as you do and dry it out in the sun. I believe the ultraviolet
rays of the sun sterilize and cleanse things. Take a sniff of laundry from
a dryer then a sniff from something that line dried in the sun........
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[Curt]

Andy Peteman wrote:
> Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
> the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
> of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>
> I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
> around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
> like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
> it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
> back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
> , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
> can put the tank .
>
> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
> goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
> 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
> fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
> filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
> you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
> you can kinda hear it..........
>
> I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
> sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
> 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>
> Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
> or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
> can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.
>
> Advice welcome.

[Curt]

Hi , as with anything New you are accutly aware of it. In time the
noise will "dissapear. You will get so used to it that if it ever quits
THEN you notice it. I find it rather soothing.
Andy Peteman wrote:
> Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank in
> the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a 50/50 mix
> of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>
> I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
> around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i do
> like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
> although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day , when
> it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away in the
> back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .........so i have too options
> , i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where i
> can put the tank .
>
> Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the light
> goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen during say
> 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or suitable for the
> fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
> filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little , but
> you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a pin drop
> you can kinda hear it..........
>
> I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making the
> sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump is on
> 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>
> Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish ,
> or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs , if i
> can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.
>
> Advice welcome.

[-Roy-]

Further proof that Dickey is indeed a dumber dumbass than he was
initially given credit for being...........You go Dickhead
Dicky......yu are my hero.


On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:47:49 -0500, Dick >
wrote:
>><>On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:20:46 -0500, dc > wrote:
>><>
>><>>Dick > wrote in
:
>><>>
>><>>> I have a 10 gallon tank in my bedroom. It has a Whisper Jr filter.
>><>>> It is quiet. Also the socks do not have charcoal preloaded as I quit
>><>>> using charcoal years ago. I just clean the sock and leave it in the
>><>>> sun for a few hours then reuse it.
>><>>
>><>>Why do you leave it in the sun, if you don't mind my asking?
>><>>
>><>>It might be a good idea to avoid drying the filter bag out completely to
>><>>ensure you keep the nitrifying bacteria living within healthy. If your
>><>>tank is mature than there is plenty of other nitrifying bacteria living
>><>>elsewhere, but why bother killing off the ones living in the area of
>><>>highest flow?
>><>
>><>The sun bleaches the media so it "looks" clean. Also, I have a
>><>notion, that it does some kind of good. When I was a teen ager I used
>><>to remove the gravel and spread it on newspaper in the sun. I don't
>><>remember why. It's just a notion in my head. Since I am happy with
>><>how my 5 tanks are doing, I just thought I would mention this oddity.
>><>
>><>dick

[-Roy-]

There goes carol again sniffing laundry, jhust like she does to foks
dirty laundry bags, when she sniffs fooks dirty drawers.

Carol, did anyone ever tell you that your perverted? If not, Consider
yourself told!

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:43:51 -0500, "Koi-Lo" <Inane messages in my
name by Roy Hauer using Hipcrime.> wrote:
>><>
>><>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>><>> The sun bleaches the media so it "looks" clean. Also, I have a
>><>> notion, that it does some kind of good. When I was a teen ager I used
>><>> to remove the gravel and spread it on newspaper in the sun. I don't
>><>> remember why. It's just a notion in my head. Since I am happy with
>><>> how my 5 tanks are doing, I just thought I would mention this oddity.
>><>============================
>><>If it works for you then stick with it. When I've had a disease/parasite
>><>problem in a tank and had to tear it down I would not only bleach everything
>><>but then do as you do and dry it out in the sun. I believe the ultraviolet
>><>rays of the sun sterilize and cleanse things. Take a sniff of laundry from
>><>a dryer then a sniff from something that line dried in the sun........

[Altum]

Andy Peteman wrote:

> Hi , Thank you all for your replys , the filter is a internal filter which
> produces the air wave across the surface for the oxygen , my ideal soultion
> would be a virtually silent internal filter which did the same job , can
> anyone post some a link to reccomended as used by the poster internal
> filters , its only a 2 foot tank , so i would rather kind the soultion
> internal , i'm happy to pay the price for the right filter , but would hate
> to spend the cash and find i was back where i started , but with a spare
> filter , i may never use , thank you all.

If you're talking about the venturi on your internal filter, just stop
using it. (A venturi device sticks above the water line and pulls
bubbles into the filter outflow.) Venturis are noisy and usually
completely unnecessary. Set the filter outflow near the top of the tank
so there's some surface movement instead and don't stock too heavily.

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I bet Carol Gulley already knew that, but was just holding back to see
who esle may come forward and offer that bit of advice. I bet that
Carol Gulley aka Koi-Lo taught that to Altum as well.



On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:11:43 GMT, Altum >
wrote:
>><>Andy Peteman wrote:
>><>
>><>> Hi , Thank you all for your replys , the filter is a internal filter which
>><>> produces the air wave across the surface for the oxygen , my ideal soultion
>><>> would be a virtually silent internal filter which did the same job , can
>><>> anyone post some a link to reccomended as used by the poster internal
>><>> filters , its only a 2 foot tank , so i would rather kind the soultion
>><>> internal , i'm happy to pay the price for the right filter , but would hate
>><>> to spend the cash and find i was back where i started , but with a spare
>><>> filter , i may never use , thank you all.
>><>
>><>If you're talking about the venturi on your internal filter, just stop
>><>using it. (A venturi device sticks above the water line and pulls
>><>bubbles into the filter outflow.) Venturis are noisy and usually
>><>completely unnecessary. Set the filter outflow near the top of the tank
>><>so there's some surface movement instead and don't stock too heavily.

[fish lover]

>On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:36:10 -0400, (Papa Red)
>wrote:
>
>>You wrote:
>>Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank
>>in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a
>>50/50 mix of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>>I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
>>around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i
>>do like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my
>>problem , although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during
>>the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
>>hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
>>bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little suitable
>>space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank .
>>Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
>>light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
>>during * say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair
>>or suitable for the fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter
>>sponge between the filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the
>>nose down a little , but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of
>>night , if you hear a pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
>>I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
>>the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the
>>pump is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>>Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the
>>fish , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank
>>downstairs , if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the
>>filter.
>>Advice welcome.
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>My response:
>>I live in a small studio apartment, one currently running 11
>>aquariums,...two 30, one 20, and the rest 10 gallon aquariums,...And for
>>me it sounds just like I've got a small babblin' brook running through
>>my place,...very relaxing. But perhaps yours makes a different sound [I
>>have Whispers 10 & 20's], one not so pleasing,...So it would be better,
>>after trying to get used to their sound, if you find that you can not,
>>then perhaps it would be much better for both you and your fish, to
>>relocate the tank elsewhere, to that place downstairs. But think about
>>this,...If you were to get used to the sound, you could then watch your
>>fish swim around their tank, with only a soft light illuminating
>>them,...with the rest of the room being dark,...something that can be
>>very relaxing,...making it much easier to nod off after a long hard day.
>>You should first try that and see if you can get used to it,...and see
>>what happens. Good Luck! Pax Vobiscum,...~Dean.
>
>
>I live in a very quiet small town and also treasure quietness. I
>cannot hear the Whisper Jr. in my 10 gallon tank which shares the
>bedroom. If I don't clean the filters in my 75 gallon,s tank in the
>living room, I can hear the overflow.
>
>dick

Don't put your filter on a timer and shut it for 7 hours. You will
kill the filter for sure and that could be deadly to your fish.

My advise: Either get a quiter filter or move the tank out of the bed
room. If you are like me, no filter is quite enough for my ears. I
would never put a fish tank in my bedroom.

Think about it: Someone is watching you while you are having a good
time in there! Fish may not tell the stories but I would not risk it.
Plus, I don't think the noise and shaking is good for the fish either.
Just kidding! LOL.

[Dick]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:28:50 -0400, fish lover >
wrote:

>>On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:36:10 -0400, (Papa Red)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You wrote:
>>>Advice please i have a bit of a situation , i have just put a 2ft tank
>>>in the bedroom ,i've cycled the tank and have filled the tank with a
>>>50/50 mix of clean and my other fish tank water , my filter is brand .
>>>I have one fish in there currently , but will be stocking this tank with
>>>around 12 -14 small fish , neons , guppies , a couple of plattys and i
>>>do like the tank in the bedroom , but i imagine you've guessed my
>>>problem , although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during
>>>the day , when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it ,
>>>hummmmmmmmmmming away in the back ground , i can see it becoming a
>>>bugbear .........so i have too options , i have a nice little suitable
>>>space downstairs in my front room , where i can put the tank .
>>>Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
>>>light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
>>>during * say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair
>>>or suitable for the fish ,i've been round the houses and put some filter
>>>sponge between the filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the
>>>nose down a little , but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of
>>>night , if you hear a pin drop you can kinda hear it..........
>>>I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
>>>the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the
>>>pump is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.
>>>Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the
>>>fish , or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank
>>>downstairs , if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the
>>>filter.
>>>Advice welcome.
>>>-------------------------------------------------
>>>My response:
>>>I live in a small studio apartment, one currently running 11
>>>aquariums,...two 30, one 20, and the rest 10 gallon aquariums,...And for
>>>me it sounds just like I've got a small babblin' brook running through
>>>my place,...very relaxing. But perhaps yours makes a different sound [I
>>>have Whispers 10 & 20's], one not so pleasing,...So it would be better,
>>>after trying to get used to their sound, if you find that you can not,
>>>then perhaps it would be much better for both you and your fish, to
>>>relocate the tank elsewhere, to that place downstairs. But think about
>>>this,...If you were to get used to the sound, you could then watch your
>>>fish swim around their tank, with only a soft light illuminating
>>>them,...with the rest of the room being dark,...something that can be
>>>very relaxing,...making it much easier to nod off after a long hard day.
>>>You should first try that and see if you can get used to it,...and see
>>>what happens. Good Luck! Pax Vobiscum,...~Dean.
>>
>>
>>I live in a very quiet small town and also treasure quietness. I
>>cannot hear the Whisper Jr. in my 10 gallon tank which shares the
>>bedroom. If I don't clean the filters in my 75 gallon,s tank in the
>>living room, I can hear the overflow.
>>
>>dick
>
>Don't put your filter on a timer and shut it for 7 hours. You will
>kill the filter for sure and that could be deadly to your fish.
>
>My advise: Either get a quiter filter or move the tank out of the bed
>room. If you are like me, no filter is quite enough for my ears. I
>would never put a fish tank in my bedroom.
>
>Think about it: Someone is watching you while you are having a good
>time in there! Fish may not tell the stories but I would not risk it.
>Plus, I don't think the noise and shaking is good for the fish either.
>Just kidding! LOL.

One plus to having a tank in the bedroom, it is a practical alarm. My
tank lights are on X-10 circuit and are time controlled. Instead of
an alarm or radio, my bedroome is filled with a soft light.

dick