My Angels are Breeding - Need Advise

[Brooklyn]

Hi Everyone!

I am new to this forum, so I wanted to say a big howdy from a amateur fish keeper from Houston :)

Since I am limited on time here at work, I will get straight to my situation....

I have a 29g tank with a dual biofiltration system (changed out every 2.5 - 3 weeks) My tank temperature is set to 83 degrees and is stocked currently with:

2 Orange Crown Koi Angel Fish (they were small when i bought them but have since matured and are approx. 4 inches from tip to tip, vertically)

1 old male Betta

I have moved my giant Pecothimus (I know I spelled that wrong, he's an algea eater)
and my femal Betta outr of the tank because my Angels became highly agressive when they began the egg laying and fertilixing process.

SO.......my Angels began trying to breed about 2 months ago, but everytime I would see them laying and fertilizing their eggs (on the flat slate surface) an hour later the algea eater had eaten them all. So, last week when I saw the female laying again, I quickly set up an aux. tank and moved the algea eater and also turned off my filter so that they would not get sucked up and out....

Within three days the viable eggs had been moved repeatedly by the anxious Angels and were begining to show signs of life. However, my husband turned off the aquarium light and the following morning all of the little eggs with their squiggly protrutions were gone (I'm assuming that in the darkness they slif down into the gravel)

Are they dead and gone forever......should i put the algea eater back and turnt he filter back on.....or will they pop out of the gravel in a week or so?

This is my first experience with breeders.....The Angels seem distressed now. So, I don't know what to do for them.

[born2lovefish]

Do water changes everyday. Keep the water quality up. Feed high quality frozen food. Mine like frozen bloodworms. Yours should lay eggs again in about 10 maybe 14 days. Your pair is young, so it might take them a few try to get it right. I am getting out of breeding angels and have two breeding pairs to sell along with 6 adult angels. If you know of anyone, please email at . Email me if you have any other questions about breeding angels.
Matt

[Nikki]

angel fry are pretty small, if not a big deal i would give it a few days it
would not hurt. I have pulled fry up with the vacuum not knowing they were
there before. If you dont see anything in a couple days then put the others
back. If you want to breed them why not put them in their own tank and set
it up for breeding, moving fish around is stressful on them.
Nik



"Brooklyn" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hi Everyone!
>
> I am new to this forum, so I wanted to say a big howdy from a amateur
> fish keeper from Houston :)
>
> Since I am limited on time here at work, I will get straight to my
> situation....
>
> I have a 29g tank with a dual biofiltration system (changed out every
> 2.5 - 3 weeks) My tank temperature is set to 83 degrees and is stocked
> currently with:
>
> 2 Orange Crown Koi Angel Fish (they were small when i bought them but
> have since matured and are approx. 4 inches from tip to tip,
> vertically)
>
> 1 old male Betta
>
> I have moved my giant Pecothimus (I know I spelled that wrong, he's an
> algea eater)
> and my femal Betta outr of the tank because my Angels became highly
> agressive when they began the egg laying and fertilixing process.
>
> SO.......my Angels began trying to breed about 2 months ago, but
> everytime I would see them laying and fertilizing their eggs (on the
> flat slate surface) an hour later the algea eater had eaten them all.
> So, last week when I saw the female laying again, I quickly set up an
> aux. tank and moved the algea eater and also turned off my filter so
> that they would not get sucked up and out....
>
> Within three days the viable eggs had been moved repeatedly by the
> anxious Angels and were begining to show signs of life. However, my
> husband turned off the aquarium light and the following morning all of
> the little eggs with their squiggly protrutions were gone (I'm assuming
> that in the darkness they slif down into the gravel)
>
> Are they dead and gone forever......should i put the algea eater back
> and turnt he filter back on.....or will they pop out of the gravel in a
> week or so?
>
> This is my first experience with breeders.....The Angels seem
> distressed now. So, I don't know what to do for them.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brooklyn

[Nikki]

one more think, not good to turn your filter off
Nik



"Nikki" > wrote in message
. ..
> angel fry are pretty small, if not a big deal i would give it a few days
> it would not hurt. I have pulled fry up with the vacuum not knowing they
> were there before. If you dont see anything in a couple days then put the
> others back. If you want to breed them why not put them in their own tank
> and set it up for breeding, moving fish around is stressful on them.
> Nik
>
>
>
> "Brooklyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>> I am new to this forum, so I wanted to say a big howdy from a amateur
>> fish keeper from Houston :)
>>
>> Since I am limited on time here at work, I will get straight to my
>> situation....
>>
>> I have a 29g tank with a dual biofiltration system (changed out every
>> 2.5 - 3 weeks) My tank temperature is set to 83 degrees and is stocked
>> currently with:
>>
>> 2 Orange Crown Koi Angel Fish (they were small when i bought them but
>> have since matured and are approx. 4 inches from tip to tip,
>> vertically)
>>
>> 1 old male Betta
>>
>> I have moved my giant Pecothimus (I know I spelled that wrong, he's an
>> algea eater)
>> and my femal Betta outr of the tank because my Angels became highly
>> agressive when they began the egg laying and fertilixing process.
>>
>> SO.......my Angels began trying to breed about 2 months ago, but
>> everytime I would see them laying and fertilizing their eggs (on the
>> flat slate surface) an hour later the algea eater had eaten them all.
>> So, last week when I saw the female laying again, I quickly set up an
>> aux. tank and moved the algea eater and also turned off my filter so
>> that they would not get sucked up and out....
>>
>> Within three days the viable eggs had been moved repeatedly by the
>> anxious Angels and were begining to show signs of life. However, my
>> husband turned off the aquarium light and the following morning all of
>> the little eggs with their squiggly protrutions were gone (I'm assuming
>> that in the darkness they slif down into the gravel)
>>
>> Are they dead and gone forever......should i put the algea eater back
>> and turnt he filter back on.....or will they pop out of the gravel in a
>> week or so?
>>
>> This is my first experience with breeders.....The Angels seem
>> distressed now. So, I don't know what to do for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brooklyn
>
>

[swarvegorilla]

That was bugging me too.
With only the 3 fish (angels and betta?) in the tank you could get away with
maybe less filtration?
Not quite sure what the dual biofiltration system is..... could be a lot of
things in my head.
But something that works well for breeding pancakes (angels or discus) is
the old air powered sponge filters.
Do a google for pictures of breeder tanks of these species and you'll notice
a few things.
Many are bare with air powered sponge filters. Why? well not only are they
cost effective. 1 large air pump may run 50 or more sponge filters. But the
filter sponges themselves are also easily cleaned in water from the fishtank
(in a bucket not in the tank tho dammit) and then reused.
If that sounds gross wear gloves.
Cichlids usually find a way tho. I had great success with bits of broken
flower pots and anubius plants.
But the biggest spawns were bare bottemed tanks with soft filtration and
lots of water changes with aged dechlorinated water.
I suppose what I mean to say is that.
If you keep doing what you are doing you are gonna get fry in the end.
If you change everything you will possibly get lots more.
If however you are enjoying your tank at the moment. I say do nothing except
keep up the water changes :)
If ya wanna do a bit more (and I have no idea what type your filter actually
is) perhaps add a sponge filter.
Sure the sponge filter may take a month to cycle. Sure if you buy a super
cheap aerator pump it's gonna bug ya to death with it's death rattles.
But once it is cycled.
you can turn off the other filters when you have fry.
and just keep the air sponge going
something about the way the fry pick at the stuff stuck to it
In a good old sponge... it's breeding all sorts of stuff.
cut a chunk out
and put it under the scope.
Or don't if you'd rather not know.
heh heh
or easier still, put prefilter sponges on the intakes of your existing
filters.
that will at least prevent sucking in deaths.
And buy a little bottle of sera fry food or something similar
may not be as good as greenwater and live, buts its pretty bloody good for
raising survival stats in ya spawns.

Yes you could easily have survivors, or they may have been eaten by parents
or snails or godknows.... maybe even a drop in water quality.
but yea don't give up cichlids are good at the old miraculous survival
thing.
Parents get less prone to freaking out and eating eggs as they settle down.
A trick is too leave a 'nightlite' on to simulate moonlight and enable the
parents to defend the fry.
Another is to section off a bit of the tank at the far end to the spawn site
and put a fish there
the female betta would probably work well.
Although the angels won't be able to get at her they will focus aggression
on her instead of each other.
Having an enemy to focus on keeps the instincts strong and makes them better
parents
:-)
Hows that for a ramble for ya?
I'd leave the algae eater out for a bit if you can
feed the parents some good quality food
frozen bloodworms
spirulina flake
brineshrimps
or something similar
and the next batch of eggs should be incoming before ya know what to do.....

Angels are easy.... the tricky bit is getting a pair that don't kill each
other.
From then on in ya just spoil the 2 with good food and water changes



"Nikki" > wrote in message
. ..
> one more think, not good to turn your filter off
> Nik
>
>
>
> "Nikki" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> angel fry are pretty small, if not a big deal i would give it a few days
>> it would not hurt. I have pulled fry up with the vacuum not knowing they
>> were there before. If you dont see anything in a couple days then put the
>> others back. If you want to breed them why not put them in their own tank
>> and set it up for breeding, moving fish around is stressful on them.
>> Nik
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brooklyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone!
>>>
>>> I am new to this forum, so I wanted to say a big howdy from a amateur
>>> fish keeper from Houston :)
>>>
>>> Since I am limited on time here at work, I will get straight to my
>>> situation....
>>>
>>> I have a 29g tank with a dual biofiltration system (changed out every
>>> 2.5 - 3 weeks) My tank temperature is set to 83 degrees and is stocked
>>> currently with:
>>>
>>> 2 Orange Crown Koi Angel Fish (they were small when i bought them but
>>> have since matured and are approx. 4 inches from tip to tip,
>>> vertically)
>>>
>>> 1 old male Betta
>>>
>>> I have moved my giant Pecothimus (I know I spelled that wrong, he's an
>>> algea eater)
>>> and my femal Betta outr of the tank because my Angels became highly
>>> agressive when they began the egg laying and fertilixing process.
>>>
>>> SO.......my Angels began trying to breed about 2 months ago, but
>>> everytime I would see them laying and fertilizing their eggs (on the
>>> flat slate surface) an hour later the algea eater had eaten them all.
>>> So, last week when I saw the female laying again, I quickly set up an
>>> aux. tank and moved the algea eater and also turned off my filter so
>>> that they would not get sucked up and out....
>>>
>>> Within three days the viable eggs had been moved repeatedly by the
>>> anxious Angels and were begining to show signs of life. However, my
>>> husband turned off the aquarium light and the following morning all of
>>> the little eggs with their squiggly protrutions were gone (I'm assuming
>>> that in the darkness they slif down into the gravel)
>>>
>>> Are they dead and gone forever......should i put the algea eater back
>>> and turnt he filter back on.....or will they pop out of the gravel in a
>>> week or so?
>>>
>>> This is my first experience with breeders.....The Angels seem
>>> distressed now. So, I don't know what to do for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brooklyn
>>
>>
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