Chemical to remove algea?

[Dan J. S.]

What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I am
talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s are not
doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!

[RedForeman ©®]

no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that unsightly,
you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water changes, IMO...

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is that better??
"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...
> What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I am
> talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s are not
> doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!
>
>

[Dan J. S.]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that unsightly,
> you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water changes, IMO...
>
> --
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Ok, It's an acrylic tank, so I am trying to stay away from the scrubbing
part. I see all kinds of algea-away products. Want to know if anyone uses
them and the results. I do water changes once every 2 weeks.

[RedForeman ©®]

> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
>> no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that
>> unsightly, you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water
>> changes, IMO...
>>
>> --
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>> streetfighter!!!
>
> Ok, It's an acrylic tank, so I am trying to stay away from the
> scrubbing part. I see all kinds of algea-away products. Want to know
> if anyone uses them and the results. I do water changes once every 2
> weeks.

why not paper towels? I've used them on acrylic, and even used a plastic
credit card, used it like a razor, never had a problem....

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is that better??

[Boris]

Buy an acrylic scrubbing pad and use some elbow grease.


"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that
unsightly,
> > you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water changes, IMO...
> >
> > --
> > RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!!
>
> Ok, It's an acrylic tank, so I am trying to stay away from the
scrubbing
> part. I see all kinds of algea-away products. Want to know if anyone
uses
> them and the results. I do water changes once every 2 weeks.
>
>

[Dinky]

"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...
|
| Ok, It's an acrylic tank, so I am trying to stay away from the
scrubbing
| part. I see all kinds of algea-away products. Want to know if
anyone uses
| them and the results. I do water changes once every 2 weeks.
|
|

You'll find that this is the wrong forum to ask for chemical
recommendations. Most people here, myself included, try to avoid
unnecessary chemicals in our tanks. There are almost always
undesirable side effects from the use of chemicals. I usually tell
people to add some fast-growing plant to the tank to out-compete the
agae for nutrients, but in a cichlid tank, this may not be possible,
as most larger cicglids are likely to shred a plant. I'd say get a
credit card or scrubby pad designed for acrylic tanks and spend 10
minutes every couple weeks scraping off the algae. I have 5 tanks
without plants, and my effort expenditure for algae removal is
negligable.

billy.

[Dan J. S.]

Dinky wrote:
> "Dan J. S." > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Ok, It's an acrylic tank, so I am trying to stay away from the
>> scrubbing part. I see all kinds of algea-away products. Want to know
>> if anyone uses them and the results. I do water changes once every 2
>> weeks.
>>
>>
>
> You'll find that this is the wrong forum to ask for chemical
> recommendations. Most people here, myself included, try to avoid
> unnecessary chemicals in our tanks. There are almost always
> undesirable side effects from the use of chemicals. I usually tell
> people to add some fast-growing plant to the tank to out-compete the
> agae for nutrients, but in a cichlid tank, this may not be possible,
> as most larger cicglids are likely to shred a plant. I'd say get a
> credit card or scrubby pad designed for acrylic tanks and spend 10
> minutes every couple weeks scraping off the algae. I have 5 tanks
> without plants, and my effort expenditure for algae removal is
> negligable.
>
> billy.

Oh common, lots of folks here put CO2 in their tanks to get the plants to
grow, put amquel to get the chlorine out. I am just asking if anyone uses
anti-algea stuff and how it works. I am aware I can use elbow grease, but
that is another shortcoming of an acrylic tank. My tank is almost 5 feet
tall and has two small port holes on top. My arm is only long enough to go
1/3 of the way. So, does this algea stuff work or not? can it harm fish?

[nickm]

For what it's worth, I tried the Jungle Products anti-algae tablets in
an attempt to get rid of green water. I hated to use a chem, but I
figured I'd try it anyway since nothing else was successful. Those
tablets, they didn't work. The water got somewhat clearer, but was
still far from "crystal clear", like it says on the package. A day
later, the green water was back in full bloom. I'll never trust
buying chems again for algae.

>What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I am
>talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s are not
>doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!
>

[Dinky]

"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...
| tall and has two small port holes on top. My arm is only long
enough to go
| 1/3 of the way. So, does this algea stuff work or not? can it harm
fish?
|

Stand on a chair.<g>

Some brands work, some do not. I have a bottle of Jungle "No More
Algae" liquid that I just dug up. I haven't used it in years, and it
now resides in the trash. I do recall that it worked, but I had to
use nearly 200% of the dosage recommended to achieve results. One of
the active ingredients is copper sulfate, which can be quite
poisionous if overused. Use sparingly, and be sure you continue your
water change schedule.

Again, I strongly discourage the use of those products.<g>

[Graham Broadbridge]

"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...

> Oh common, lots of folks here put CO2 in their tanks to get the plants to
> grow, put amquel to get the chlorine out. I am just asking if anyone uses
> anti-algea stuff and how it works. I am aware I can use elbow grease, but

Lots of folks here just plant another plant so that the algae has no chance
to grow.

I'd suggest using some method of removing nitrates and phosphates rather
than using an anti-algal chemical.
Maybe Phoszorb and Nitrazorb in the filter?

Honestly, you want to stay away from anti-algae chemicals as their effect is
short term and the algae will come back in a few weeks.


Graham.

[RedForeman ©®]

> Oh common, lots of folks here put CO2 in their tanks to get the
> plants to grow, put amquel to get the chlorine out. I am just asking
> if anyone uses anti-algea stuff and how it works. I am aware I can
> use elbow grease, but that is another shortcoming of an acrylic tank.
> My tank is almost 5 feet tall and has two small port holes on top. My
> arm is only long enough to go 1/3 of the way. So, does this algea
> stuff work or not? can it harm fish?

Dowel rod, wooden, found at any local hardware store... I think 1 1/8"
should be good, cut into a 3 1/2' section, you can attach a squeegie to the
end, and wrap the squeegie in a cotton or whatever you want, and it will
make for easy access... I too have a very tall tank, and a chair in
combination with a long rod, can get to the bottom easily...

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is that better??

[NetMax]

"Dan J. S." > wrote in message
...
> What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I
am
> talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s are
not
> doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!

Only 5 things that I can think of for your tank:
1) strip 100% out of something the algae needs to grow (ie: phosphates),
keeping in mind bacteria uses phosphates as well.
2) strip out all the nutrients, in your tank, perhaps a large floating
mass of Hornwort.
3) more algae eaters, in your tank, perhaps some of these Nerita snails.
4) reduce light levels to the affected surface (which #2 does as well)
5) mechanical removal, have you tried a magnetic algae scrapper? I have
no idea how acrylic-safe they are.

To answer your question, if there was a chemical which removed all algae,
and was harmless to all fish, then we would ALL know about it, and the
inventor would be living across the street from Mr. Gates ;~)

Sometimes a chemical will remove all traces of a certain type of algae,
and sometimes it works for more than just a little while, and sometimes
the affected algae was actually the one you were trying to get rid
of..... sometimes. I'm just a bundle of help today ;~) *sorry*

jmo
NetMax

[Boris]

> Oh common, lots of folks here put CO2 in their tanks to get the plants
to
> grow, put amquel to get the chlorine out. I am just asking if anyone
uses
> anti-algea stuff and how it works. I am aware I can use elbow grease,
but
> that is another shortcoming of an acrylic tank. My tank is almost 5
feet
> tall and has two small port holes on top. My arm is only long enough
to go
> 1/3 of the way. So, does this algea stuff work or not? can it harm
fish?

A little drift of the subject, but you have me curious. You say 5 foot
tall. Is that the tank + stand? Or is that just the tank? And if it is
the just the tank, can you give more specs on the size, operating
equipment, what you got in it, etc. Plus any pictures anywhere?

Thanks, Boris

[Dan J. S.]

"Boris" > wrote in message
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> > Oh common, lots of folks here put CO2 in their tanks to get the plants
> to
> > grow, put amquel to get the chlorine out. I am just asking if anyone
> uses
> > anti-algea stuff and how it works. I am aware I can use elbow grease,
> but
> > that is another shortcoming of an acrylic tank. My tank is almost 5
> feet
> > tall and has two small port holes on top. My arm is only long enough
> to go
> > 1/3 of the way. So, does this algea stuff work or not? can it harm
> fish?
>
> A little drift of the subject, but you have me curious. You say 5 foot
> tall. Is that the tank + stand? Or is that just the tank? And if it is
> the just the tank, can you give more specs on the size, operating
> equipment, what you got in it, etc. Plus any pictures anywhere?
>
> Thanks, Boris

Boris

It's an acrylic tank, the tank itself is actually 48 inches tall but the
hood adds another foot over the top. I had the cover designed to fit extra
large lights, and other stuff. The stand is 36 inches high, so the entire
structure is over 8 feet. I will post some pics soon. I think the tank is
130 or so gallons, I have two Eheim 2027 filters and Eheim feeder. Inside I
have 15-20 cichlids, and other scavengers. I also have a lot of java fern
(growing like crazy).

Dan

Dan

[Dan J. S.]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Dan J. S." > wrote in message
> ...
> > What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I
> am
> > talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s are
> not
> > doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!
>
> Only 5 things that I can think of for your tank:
> 1) strip 100% out of something the algae needs to grow (ie: phosphates),
> keeping in mind bacteria uses phosphates as well.
> 2) strip out all the nutrients, in your tank, perhaps a large floating
> mass of Hornwort.
> 3) more algae eaters, in your tank, perhaps some of these Nerita snails.
> 4) reduce light levels to the affected surface (which #2 does as well)
> 5) mechanical removal, have you tried a magnetic algae scrapper? I have
> no idea how acrylic-safe they are.
>
> To answer your question, if there was a chemical which removed all algae,
> and was harmless to all fish, then we would ALL know about it, and the
> inventor would be living across the street from Mr. Gates ;~)
>
> Sometimes a chemical will remove all traces of a certain type of algae,
> and sometimes it works for more than just a little while, and sometimes
> the affected algae was actually the one you were trying to get rid
> of..... sometimes. I'm just a bundle of help today ;~) *sorry*
>
> jmo
> NetMax
>
>

Thanks a lot!!

[PurityFailed]

Just a thought...

There are plently of DIY sites out there for building a refugium where
nutient-sucking plants could be grown to out-compete the algae. Perhaps this
is a solution for you?
I haven't come across one for freshwater, but I doubt there'd be very much
difference in the mechanics or results. There are also some plans out there
which detail a way to have a refugium without a drilled tank. I'd be happy to
look through my links if you'd like. Could this be a solution for you?

Jessica
Warning:Fishkeeping is a highly addictive activity that has been proven to have
a detrimental effect on one's social life and wallet. Other side effects may
include loss of hand moisture, C.O.W.S., and familial loss of appetite related
to freezer foods.

[Happy'Cam'per]

"PurityFailed" > wrote in message
> Jessica
> Warning:Fishkeeping is a highly addictive activity that has been proven to
have
> a detrimental effect on one's social life and wallet. Other side effects
may
> include loss of hand moisture, C.O.W.S., and familial loss of appetite
related
> to freezer foods.

OK, Whats C.O.W.S :)
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[PurityFailed]

>OK, Whats C.O.W.S :)

"Condensation Of the Watch Syndrome"

I knew someboy'd bite sooner or later. ;)

Jessica
Warning:Fishkeeping is a highly addictive activity that has been proven to have
a detrimental effect on one's social life and wallet. Other side effects may
include loss of hand moisture, C.O.W.S., and familial loss of appetite related
to freezer foods.

[Tracy Bass]

If OP's tank is 8' to the top then he would need awfully high ceilings for
this to work??


> Dowel rod, wooden, found at any local hardware store... I think 1 1/8"
> should be good, cut into a 3 1/2' section, you can attach a squeegie to
the
> end, and wrap the squeegie in a cotton or whatever you want, and it will
> make for easy access... I too have a very tall tank, and a chair in
> combination with a long rod, can get to the bottom easily...
>
> --
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> streetfighter!!! ==========================
> 2003 TRX450ES
> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> ==========================
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>
>
> is that better??
>
>

[Eric Schreiber]

RedForeman ). wrote:

> no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that
> unsightly, you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water
> changes, IMO...

That would generally be my answer also, but I have a special case tank
where chemical treatment would be preferred - my ten gallon divided
betta tank (no plants, no snails, just gravel, filter and bettas).

The dividers are built with the plastic craft canvas, and it takes a
Long Time to scrub them clean of algae. I overfeed, but frequent water
changes and limited light keep the growth mostly under control.
However, over time algae does build up regardless. It'd sure be nice to
have some miracle cure.


--
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[Eric Schreiber]

Dan J. S. wrote:

> What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I
> am talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s
> are not doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!

I see that you're not getting a lot of specific help, and I sympathize
both with you and the folks answering you. Some tanks are simply hard
to clean, plants aren't always a workable solution, and no amount of
water perfection will eliminate all algae. On the other hand, adding
chemicals should usually be avoided as a matter of principle. Some
situations just call for an additive.

I have experience with one product- "AlgaeFix" from Aquarium
Pharmaceuticals. I was using it on my ten gallon tank recently, and it
actually appeared to be working. I didn't have any aggressive algae,
just a scattering of light spots on the (hard to clean) dividers.

Unfortunately, two of my four fish started to show signs of illness,
and I quit adding the AlgaeFix, in favor of large water changes and
tetracyline treatment. A very old leopard danio died (about time!), but
the young and robust betta survived.

I'm not implying that the AlgaeFix had anything to do with the illness,
because I don't think it did. The illness just cut short the AlgaeFix
experiment before I could really decide how well it worked. It was a
promising start, and maybe once I've gotten all the tetracycline
removed and I'm sure the tank is stable again, I'll give it another try.

I hope that helps.

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[Dan J. S.]

Eric Schreiber wrote:
> Dan J. S. wrote:
>
>> What chemical is best suited to remove Algea and not hurt the fish? I
>> am talking the green spotty kind. I have a cichlid tank and my plec*s
>> are not doing the job. Anyone know? Thanks!
>
> I see that you're not getting a lot of specific help, and I sympathize
> both with you and the folks answering you. Some tanks are simply hard
> to clean, plants aren't always a workable solution, and no amount of
> water perfection will eliminate all algae. On the other hand, adding
> chemicals should usually be avoided as a matter of principle. Some
> situations just call for an additive.
>
> I have experience with one product- "AlgaeFix" from Aquarium
> Pharmaceuticals. I was using it on my ten gallon tank recently, and it
> actually appeared to be working. I didn't have any aggressive algae,
> just a scattering of light spots on the (hard to clean) dividers.
>
> Unfortunately, two of my four fish started to show signs of illness,
> and I quit adding the AlgaeFix, in favor of large water changes and
> tetracyline treatment. A very old leopard danio died (about time!),
> but the young and robust betta survived.
>
> I'm not implying that the AlgaeFix had anything to do with the
> illness, because I don't think it did. The illness just cut short the
> AlgaeFix experiment before I could really decide how well it worked.
> It was a promising start, and maybe once I've gotten all the
> tetracycline removed and I'm sure the tank is stable again, I'll give
> it another try.
>
> I hope that helps.

Thanks much! Will give it a try!!

[NetMax]

"Eric Schreiber" <eric at ericschreiber dot com> wrote in message
...
> RedForeman ). wrote:
>
> > no chemicals, just scrub it off, then vacuum.... if it's that
> > unsightly, you're either overfeeding or not doing enough water
> > changes, IMO...
>
> That would generally be my answer also, but I have a special case tank
> where chemical treatment would be preferred - my ten gallon divided
> betta tank (no plants, no snails, just gravel, filter and bettas).
>
> The dividers are built with the plastic craft canvas, and it takes a
> Long Time to scrub them clean of algae. I overfeed, but frequent water
> changes and limited light keep the growth mostly under control.
> However, over time algae does build up regardless. It'd sure be nice to
> have some miracle cure.

Why clean them? *just curious* Of course, I'm a lot more algae tolerant
than most people.

I have a 40g tank with a 20W bulb (rockwork to within 4" of the surface).
It took about 6 months but I have the rocks covered in a green with black
tip, lawn of algae. Waves ripple through it as the outflow of the filter
goes by (like a freshly mowed lawn on a windy day).

I have a 66g with a long hair type algae which almost looks like java
moss (maybe a relative). It's growth rate has subsided lately, but there
is a section which must be 2 ft' long as it arc's over some driftwood to
get caught in a filter outflow. The main section is about 4" in
diameter, hovering under a flotilla of Hornwort. It is a paradise for
new born fry to hide in and weave through. I trim it with a twirled
toothbrush when it starts getting tangled in other plants, and it seems
to be 'learning' where it's allowed to grow now ;~)

I've had plants (java moss) which look more like algae, and algae
(staghorn) which looks more like plants. There is a very fine line
between what we call plants & algae. Members of both families can be
hard to grow, or can too prolific. If it's there, it's filling a niche
which I have inadvertantly provided, so I sometimes let it continue until
it has exhausted that niche. Some missing mineral now becomes the growth
constraint, and without it, algae will tend to die back on itself. This
does not always occur, especially where the fish are filling the niches,
but maybe 3 or 4 times out of 5, algae will regulate itself, with no more
intervention from me than the pruning attention my plants get.

The only place I religiously clean algae off, is the front glass, or I
wouldn't be able to see all this :o(
NetMax

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[Eric Schreiber]

NetMax wrote:

> Why clean them? *just curious* Of course, I'm a lot more algae
> tolerant than most people.

I'm a neat freak. Can't be helped.

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[Happy'Cam'per]

ROFLMAO :)

Aah yes! C.O.W.S. Ever since I added that 4th tank to the collection my
house is rather humid and I do believe I've experienced this phenomena :)
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"PurityFailed" > wrote in message
...
> >OK, Whats C.O.W.S :)
>
> "Condensation Of the Watch Syndrome"
>
> I knew someboy'd bite sooner or later. ;)
>
> Jessica
> Warning:Fishkeeping is a highly addictive activity that has been proven to
have
> a detrimental effect on one's social life and wallet. Other side effects
may
> include loss of hand moisture, C.O.W.S., and familial loss of appetite
related
> to freezer foods.

[Michi Henning]

"Eric Schreiber" <eric at ericschreiber dot com> wrote in message
...
>
> Unfortunately, two of my four fish started to show signs of illness,
> and I quit adding the AlgaeFix, in favor of large water changes and
> tetracyline treatment.

I've had bad experiences with AlgaeFix too. It does seem to help
with the algae, but it wiped out my bristlenoses, and other fish were
showing distinct signs of illness too. In addition, my Vallisneria all bit
the dust and complete rotted away (but regrew after about six weeks
from their roots). The Vallisneria death would indicate that AlgaeFix
contains copper (Vallisneria is sensitive to that.) but I haven't done
any testing to confirm that. At any rate, you may find some fish
not being able to cope with the algae treatment.

Cheers,

Michi.
--
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ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com

[PurityFailed]

>Aah yes! C.O.W.S. Ever since I added that 4th tank to the collection my
>house is rather humid and I do believe I've experienced this phenomena :)

>From: "Happy'Cam'per"

I'd like to claim an intelligent reason for my COWS outbreak, but it's simply
because I forget to take my watch off nearly every time I'm rooting through my
tank!

My other favorite is when I forget to take my hair tie off the wrist as well,
then wonder why there's a squish a few hours later when I turn my head.

Such a dangerous hobby. ;)

Jessica
Warning:Fishkeeping is a highly addictive activity that has been proven to have
a detrimental effect on one's social life and wallet. Other side effects may
include loss of hand moisture, C.O.W.S., and familial loss of appetite related
to freezer foods.

[Chuck]

AlgaeFix killed some of my corys when I used it according to the
manufactures instructions. But I kept using it at a 1/4 dose and it
still cleared up the water. But it was still rough on the corys that I
had left. Just make sure that you aerate the water good while you use
it. As for me, I wont use it again with corys.

Michi Henning wrote:
> "Eric Schreiber" <eric at ericschreiber dot com> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Unfortunately, two of my four fish started to show signs of illness,
>>and I quit adding the AlgaeFix, in favor of large water changes and
>>tetracyline treatment.
>
>
> I've had bad experiences with AlgaeFix too. It does seem to help
> with the algae, but it wiped out my bristlenoses, and other fish were
> showing distinct signs of illness too. In addition, my Vallisneria all bit
> the dust and complete rotted away (but regrew after about six weeks
> from their roots). The Vallisneria death would indicate that AlgaeFix
> contains copper (Vallisneria is sensitive to that.) but I haven't done
> any testing to confirm that. At any rate, you may find some fish
> not being able to cope with the algae treatment.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.
> --
> Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
> ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>

[RedForeman ©®]

> If OP's tank is 8' to the top then he would need awfully high
> ceilings for this to work??

take everything with a grain of salt, unless specific, allow for
exaggerations...

:-)


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is that better??

[RedForeman ©®]

> NetMax wrote:
>
>> Why clean them? *just curious* Of course, I'm a lot more algae
>> tolerant than most people.
>
> I'm a neat freak. Can't be helped.

Hopefully you're not OCD too, if you were, I'd assume you're also single???
hahaha... jk... my wife is Adult ADD, AND OCD, she just hasn't been
diagnosed by a qualified professional, just me!!! hahahaa!!!

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is that better??