Questions on a sick betta

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I noticed my betta was sick about a week ago, (and probably was sick
longer but didn't notice). Since then I have been giving him some
Betta BettaFix Remedy , and also furazone green. I also began to put
aquarium salt in the tank.

I have a few questions:

1) I took the carbon out of the filter since adding the medicine so it
doesn't get filtered out. Should I ever add the carbon back in or wait
till he gets better?

2) Is it safe to add both medicine's in the tank at the same time? I
beleive they have different ingredients so I figured it wuolf be ok,
but maybe its too much for him.

3) I beleive he has fungus. He has white patches on him, not spots.
Its been a week now and they are still there. Should I start to see
these go away? How long does it take.

4) I beleive he's been swimming around more then when I first noticed
he was sick but he's harldy eating at all. He mostly looks at the food
and swims away. Him not eating is worrying me the most. He might take
a bite once a day.

Any recommendations would be helpful, thanks.

--Nathan

[Tynk]

wrote:
> I noticed my betta was sick about a week ago, (and probably was sick
> longer but didn't notice). Since then I have been giving him some
> Betta BettaFix Remedy , and also furazone green. I also began to put
> aquarium salt in the tank.
>
> I have a few questions:
>
> 1) I took the carbon out of the filter since adding the medicine so it
> doesn't get filtered out. Should I ever add the carbon back in or wait
> till he gets better?
>
> 2) Is it safe to add both medicine's in the tank at the same time? I
> beleive they have different ingredients so I figured it wuolf be ok,
> but maybe its too much for him.
>
> 3) I beleive he has fungus. He has white patches on him, not spots.
> Its been a week now and they are still there. Should I start to see
> these go away? How long does it take.
>
> 4) I beleive he's been swimming around more then when I first noticed
> he was sick but he's harldy eating at all. He mostly looks at the food
> and swims away. Him not eating is worrying me the most. He might take
> a bite once a day.
>
> Any recommendations would be helpful, thanks.
>
> --Nathan
Nathan,
The white patches on your Betta....
Are they fuzzy, like mold you would see growing of rotted food, or is
it more of a white blob that looks more like a blob of white cotten
candy?
I ask these odd questions because it's quite easy to mistake a
bacterial infection for a fungal infection.
Some bacterial issues look a lot like fungus. Some infections are even
called "body fungus" which is a bacterial infection called Columnaris.
I would like you to research "true fungus" (make sure you use the word
"true", otherwise you can get bacterial infections in the search), and
then Columnaris, aka Flexibactor bacteria.
Find pictures of what both of these look like. Then look at your fish's
white patches.
Do they look more like the body "fungus" or a true fungus?
Also, I would stop treating with different meds at the same time,
unless the package states directly on it that this product can be used
with that product.
If it doesn't, don't mix them. Some combos can be deadly.
I would also do a water change now. Don't add anymore meds until you
can figure of out exactly what your fish has.

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Tynk wrote:
> wrote:
> > I noticed my betta was sick about a week ago, (and probably was sick
> > longer but didn't notice). Since then I have been giving him some
> > Betta BettaFix Remedy , and also furazone green. I also began to put
> > aquarium salt in the tank.
> >
> > I have a few questions:
> >
> > 1) I took the carbon out of the filter since adding the medicine so it
> > doesn't get filtered out. Should I ever add the carbon back in or wait
> > till he gets better?
> >
> > 2) Is it safe to add both medicine's in the tank at the same time? I
> > beleive they have different ingredients so I figured it wuolf be ok,
> > but maybe its too much for him.
> >
> > 3) I beleive he has fungus. He has white patches on him, not spots.
> > Its been a week now and they are still there. Should I start to see
> > these go away? How long does it take.
> >
> > 4) I beleive he's been swimming around more then when I first noticed
> > he was sick but he's harldy eating at all. He mostly looks at the food
> > and swims away. Him not eating is worrying me the most. He might take
> > a bite once a day.
> >
> > Any recommendations would be helpful, thanks.
> >
> > --Nathan
> Nathan,
> The white patches on your Betta....
> Are they fuzzy, like mold you would see growing of rotted food, or is
> it more of a white blob that looks more like a blob of white cotten
> candy?
> I ask these odd questions because it's quite easy to mistake a
> bacterial infection for a fungal infection.
> Some bacterial issues look a lot like fungus. Some infections are even
> called "body fungus" which is a bacterial infection called Columnaris.
> I would like you to research "true fungus" (make sure you use the word
> "true", otherwise you can get bacterial infections in the search), and
> then Columnaris, aka Flexibactor bacteria.
> Find pictures of what both of these look like. Then look at your fish's
> white patches.
> Do they look more like the body "fungus" or a true fungus?
> Also, I would stop treating with different meds at the same time,
> unless the package states directly on it that this product can be used
> with that product.
> If it doesn't, don't mix them. Some combos can be deadly.
> I would also do a water change now. Don't add anymore meds until you
> can figure of out exactly what your fish has.

You may be right. It might be a bacteria. Thank you for the response.

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Tynk wrote:
> wrote:
> > I noticed my betta was sick about a week ago, (and probably was sick
> > longer but didn't notice). Since then I have been giving him some
> > Betta BettaFix Remedy , and also furazone green. I also began to put
> > aquarium salt in the tank.
> >
> > I have a few questions:
> >
> > 1) I took the carbon out of the filter since adding the medicine so it
> > doesn't get filtered out. Should I ever add the carbon back in or wait
> > till he gets better?
> >
> > 2) Is it safe to add both medicine's in the tank at the same time? I
> > beleive they have different ingredients so I figured it wuolf be ok,
> > but maybe its too much for him.
> >
> > 3) I beleive he has fungus. He has white patches on him, not spots.
> > Its been a week now and they are still there. Should I start to see
> > these go away? How long does it take.
> >
> > 4) I beleive he's been swimming around more then when I first noticed
> > he was sick but he's harldy eating at all. He mostly looks at the food
> > and swims away. Him not eating is worrying me the most. He might take
> > a bite once a day.
> >
> > Any recommendations would be helpful, thanks.
> >
> > --Nathan
> Nathan,
> The white patches on your Betta....
> Are they fuzzy, like mold you would see growing of rotted food, or is
> it more of a white blob that looks more like a blob of white cotten
> candy?
> I ask these odd questions because it's quite easy to mistake a
> bacterial infection for a fungal infection.
> Some bacterial issues look a lot like fungus. Some infections are even
> called "body fungus" which is a bacterial infection called Columnaris.
> I would like you to research "true fungus" (make sure you use the word
> "true", otherwise you can get bacterial infections in the search), and
> then Columnaris, aka Flexibactor bacteria.
> Find pictures of what both of these look like. Then look at your fish's
> white patches.
> Do they look more like the body "fungus" or a true fungus?
> Also, I would stop treating with different meds at the same time,
> unless the package states directly on it that this product can be used
> with that product.
> If it doesn't, don't mix them. Some combos can be deadly.
> I would also do a water change now. Don't add anymore meds until you
> can figure of out exactly what your fish has.

I would say the white blotches look smooth. Not puffy, or something
that looks like you could pick off with your fingers. I'm not sure if
that helps. I'll do some more research to see what it could be.

[Köi-Lö]

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> I would say the white blotches look smooth. Not puffy, or something
> that looks like you could pick off with your fingers. I'm not sure if
> that helps. I'll do some more research to see what it could be.
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That sounds like it might be bacterial. I bought a betta last year who
quickly developed the same thing. Furinace or Furan-2 are excellent for
bacterial infections.

For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.
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[Tynk]

wrote:

> I would say the white blotches look smooth. Not puffy, or something
> that looks like you could pick off with your fingers. I'm not sure if
> that helps. I'll do some more research to see what it could be.

Actually Bahamuto, your description helps a lot. = )
As Koi-Lo said, that sure sounds bacterial.
Now I for that I prefer treating with Jungle brand's Fungus Eliminator.
I don't remember what partiucular meds are in it though, but it seems
to do a good job on what you're describing is on your fish.
How is it doing by the way?

[Tynk]

Köi-Lö wrote:

> For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.

In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
good.
It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
with using meds for that purpose.

[Tynk]

Tynk wrote:
> Köi-Lö wrote:
>
> > For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.
>
> In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
> good.
> It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
> with using meds for that purpose.

FYI....that wasn't meant to start an argument about Aquari-Sol...I just
wanted to hear some other opinions on this product.

[Köi-Lö]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:

> For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.

In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
good.
It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
with using meds for that purpose.
=================
You're free to disagree. I've had excellent success with Aquara-sol in the
past.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Köi-Lö]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
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Tynk wrote:
> Köi-Lö wrote:
>
> > For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.
>
> In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
> good.
> It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
> with using meds for that purpose.

FYI....that wasn't meant to start an argument about Aquari-Sol...I just
wanted to hear some other opinions on this product.
==================
I understand. Not all of us seem to have the same success with the same
products. :-)
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Tynk]

Köi-Lö wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> Köi-Lö wrote:
>
> > For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.
>
> In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
> good.
> It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
> with using meds for that purpose.
> =================
> You're free to disagree. I've had excellent success with Aquara-sol in the
> past.


Success using how..as a preventative or treatment for parasites?
If it was used a treatment, what were you treating, and for what, and
how long did it take?

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Tynk wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > I would say the white blotches look smooth. Not puffy, or something
> > that looks like you could pick off with your fingers. I'm not sure if
> > that helps. I'll do some more research to see what it could be.
>
> Actually Bahamuto, your description helps a lot. = )
> As Koi-Lo said, that sure sounds bacterial.
> Now I for that I prefer treating with Jungle brand's Fungus Eliminator.
> I don't remember what partiucular meds are in it though, but it seems
> to do a good job on what you're describing is on your fish.
> How is it doing by the way?

If you want to see a picture, if the pictures helps any, it was hard to
get a clear one. Here he is resting on the rock:

http://www.nbragg.cjb.net/webpage/images/myfish.jpg

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Tynk wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > I would say the white blotches look smooth. Not puffy, or something
> > that looks like you could pick off with your fingers. I'm not sure if
> > that helps. I'll do some more research to see what it could be.
>
> Actually Bahamuto, your description helps a lot. = )
> As Koi-Lo said, that sure sounds bacterial.
> Now I for that I prefer treating with Jungle brand's Fungus Eliminator.
> I don't remember what partiucular meds are in it though, but it seems
> to do a good job on what you're describing is on your fish.
> How is it doing by the way?

If you want to see a picture, if the pictures helps any, it was hard to
get a clear one. Here he is resting on the rock:

http://www.nbragg.cjb.net/webpage/images/myfish.jpg

[Köi-Lö]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> Köi-Lö wrote:
>
> > For parasites I like Quick-Cure, Aquara-Sol or Clout.
>
> In my opinion, I believe Aquari-Sol to be too weak to actually do any
> good.
> It's geared towards using as a parasite preventative, but I disagree
> with using meds for that purpose.
> =================
> You're free to disagree. I've had excellent success with Aquara-sol in
> the
> past.


Success using how..as a preventative or treatment for parasites?

=> Both. Ick has always been the most common parasite I've come across. One
year the goldfish I bought had gillflukes. They were a problem for awhile,
shutting down a known chain's goldfish section. For gillflukes I used
Clout. I didn't have much luck with Aquarium Pharm's General Cure or Fungus
Cure for anything. I'm seldom without Clout or Furan-2 Furan is a
carcinogen so wear gloves when using it.

If it was used a treatment, what were you treating, and for what, and
how long did it take?

=> Ick, less than a week at 78 - 80F, but continued treatment for a week.
Costia (or those grayish body slimes) or flashing with no signs of ick - I'd
see improvement in 24 to 48 hours. I used it for one week for these
parasites. Sometimes it took a second go-around. I think when the
container I have is used up I'll stick with QuickCure. I don't need both on
the shelf. I don't always do a scrape anymore because it's a PIA and
stresses the fish. Flashing usually responds well to either of these
products - IN MY EXPERIENCE.

Last winter we had an Ick infestation (from a pet shop) here that resisted
both of these medications including salt (not at the same time of course).
It took 4 or 5 go-arounds before it was gone.
--
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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