Is This a Good Deal?

[Haywood Jablowme]

I am contemplating a new purchase.

My LFS is offering to sell me a complete 150 Gallon tank (All Glass
brand) with finished cabinet and top (with the lights installed in the
top).

The price includes everything except the fish (wet/dry filter, UV
sterilizer, skimmer, everything).

The setup is going to be a fish only tank. With a tank this size, I
can eventually have a dramatic community of relatively large fish.
And, with the amount of space in the tank, hopefully I can keep the
aggression to a minimum.

The dealers price is $2200 and this includes him delivering it and
setting it in place. I will fill it and get it running so I can cycle
it.

He still believes in cycling a tank with damsel fish. What is the
consensus? I know, years ago this was the way we did it. But, there
are some products on the market that are supposed to speed the process
of cycling the tank. Do these work?

Thanks.

HJ

[George Patterson]

Haywood Jablowme wrote:

> The dealers price is $2200 and this includes him delivering it and
> setting it in place. I will fill it and get it running so I can cycle
> it.

Doctors Foster & Smith will sell you a 150 gallon system for $2,050. But.
There's a $350 delivery charge. Sounds like your deal is better.

> He still believes in cycling a tank with damsel fish. What is the
> consensus?

Dunno about consensus, but there's no need to cycle a large tank like this in
the old sense of adding a load of fish and watching the nitrites climb. Add a
few fish at a time and space the additions about a month apart, and the tank
will cycle without any detectable rise in ammonia or nitrites. Don't buy any
fish that you don't want to keep. Size matters in this. If you add a $200 queen
angel, don't add anything else for a month. If that's your first fish, don't add
anything else for at least 6 weeks - it takes the wet/dry a while to get the
bacterial cultures established.

With that size tank and the equipment you describe, you could add 1-2' of fish
as soon as the water seasons and never see a trace of ammonia or nitrites.

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

[George Patterson]

Haywood Jablowme wrote:

> The dealers price is $2200 and this includes him delivering it and
> setting it in place.

By the way, if you're in central New Jersey, you might want to get a comparison
price from Howie Berkowitz at Pets, Pets, Pets in Somerset. He's always treated
me well. 732-545-6675.

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

[[email protected]]

George Patterson > wrote:
> Haywood Jablowme wrote:

> > The dealers price is $2200 and this includes him delivering it and
> > He still believes in cycling a tank with damsel fish. What is the
> > consensus?

> Dunno about consensus, but there's no need to cycle a large tank like this in
> the old sense of adding a load of fish and watching the nitrites climb. Add a
> few fish at a time and space the additions about a month apart, and the tank
> will cycle without any detectable rise in ammonia or nitrites. Don't buy any
> fish that you don't want to keep. Size matters in this. If you add a $200 queen

Clown fish are a good first addition; related to damsels, and as
tolerant of spikes.

Mike

[Haywood Jablowme]

> By the way, if you're in central New Jersey, you might want to get a
> comparison
> price from Howie Berkowitz at Pets, Pets, Pets in Somerset. He's always
> treated
> me well. 732-545-6675.
>
Thanks for the tip. But, I'm in the Orlando, Florida area.

HJ

[Haywood Jablowme]

I
> Clown fish are a good first addition; related to damsels, and as
> tolerant of spikes.

I have always liked Clownfish (Ocellarus). So, they will be the first
fish in the tank. I'm thinking I should get 5 of the largest Clownfish
I can find. This way, they can stand up to future additions. Don't
you think I should use an odd number?

[[email protected]]

Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> I
> > Clown fish are a good first addition; related to damsels, and as
> > tolerant of spikes.

> I have always liked Clownfish (Ocellarus). So, they will be the first
> fish in the tank. I'm thinking I should get 5 of the largest Clownfish
> I can find. This way, they can stand up to future additions. Don't
> you think I should use an odd number?

Be careful with clowns, unless you have more anemones; they can become
VERY territorial. You should add more anemones than clowns.

Mike

[Marksfish]

>> I have always liked Clownfish (Ocellarus). So, they will be the first
>> fish in the tank. I'm thinking I should get 5 of the largest Clownfish
>> I can find. This way, they can stand up to future additions. Don't
>> you think I should use an odd number?
>
> Be careful with clowns, unless you have more anemones; they can become
> VERY territorial. You should add more anemones than clowns.
>
>
Probably best to get only two juvenile clowns. All clowns are male as
juveniles and the more dominant will change into a female with the next
dominant male being the partner and "female in waiting". If you have more
than this, they will pester the least dominant until it dies and work their
way up until only the two strongest survive.

Mark

[RubenD]

If you are planning to add coral, and I think eventually you will, you
might want to avoid anemones since they like to move,
and sometimes will kill your coral when they touch. Besides, the clowns
will spend most of the time hiding inside.

The clown fish will behave like a school of fish, swimming together without
the anemones, just make sure you pick tank raised from the same tank.

Good luck,


Ruben





"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>
> > By the way, if you're in central New Jersey, you might want to get a
> > comparison
> > price from Howie Berkowitz at Pets, Pets, Pets in Somerset. He's always
> > treated
> > me well. 732-545-6675.
> >
> Thanks for the tip. But, I'm in the Orlando, Florida area.
>
> HJ

[[email protected]]

RubenD > wrote:
> If you are planning to add coral, and I think eventually you will, you
> might want to avoid anemones since they like to move,
> and sometimes will kill your coral when they touch. Besides, the clowns
> will spend most of the time hiding inside.

I haven't had any problems with that; the best spots for anemones are
taken by anemones, and I move the corals accordingly.

Mike

[Haywood Jablowme]

In article >, RubenD
> wrote:

> If you are planning to add coral, and I think eventually you will, you
> might want to avoid anemones since they like to move,
> and sometimes will kill your coral when they touch. Besides, the clowns
> will spend most of the time hiding inside.

I will probably not add any corals. I am looking for a low maintenance
fish only tank. I think (with a tank this size) I can have a dramatic
tank while keeping the maintenance to just the basics.

[[email protected]]

Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> In article >, RubenD
> > wrote:

> > If you are planning to add coral, and I think eventually you will, you
> > might want to avoid anemones since they like to move,
> > and sometimes will kill your coral when they touch. Besides, the clowns
> > will spend most of the time hiding inside.

> I will probably not add any corals. I am looking for a low maintenance
> fish only tank. I think (with a tank this size) I can have a dramatic
> tank while keeping the maintenance to just the basics.

Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.

So can some hard corals.

Mike

[Haywood Jablowme]

In article >,
> wrote:

> Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> > In article >, RubenD
> > > wrote:
>
> > > If you are planning to add coral, and I think eventually you will, you
> > > might want to avoid anemones since they like to move,
> > > and sometimes will kill your coral when they touch. Besides, the clowns
> > > will spend most of the time hiding inside.
>
> > I will probably not add any corals. I am looking for a low maintenance
> > fish only tank. I think (with a tank this size) I can have a dramatic
> > tank while keeping the maintenance to just the basics.
>
> Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.
>
> So can some hard corals.
>
> Mike

I'm considering using compact florescent lighting (and not metal
halides). Will the soft corals be OK with these? I don't really want
the heat associated with metal halides.

[[email protected]]

Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> In article >,
> > wrote:

> > Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.
> >
> > So can some hard corals.

> I'm considering using compact florescent lighting (and not metal
> halides). Will the soft corals be OK with these?

Many will, yes.

> I don't really want
> the heat associated with metal halides.

Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
lighting.

Mike

[Haywood Jablowme]

In article >,
> wrote:

> Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > > wrote:
>
> > > Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.
> > >
> > > So can some hard corals.
>
> > I'm considering using compact florescent lighting (and not metal
> > halides). Will the soft corals be OK with these?
>
> Many will, yes.
>
> > I don't really want
> > the heat associated with metal halides.
>
> Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
> lighting.
>
> Mike
I'm trying to do as much reading as I can right now. I have seen a
number of pictures on the internet showing large tanks with both soft
corals and large angelfish (i.e. Koran Angelfish, Emperor Angelfish).
Does anyone know how these people are getting away with this? I'm
guessing that eventually the corals (they look like soft leather
corals) must be replaced. Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?
This is what I always thought. If anyone has any insight on this, I
would appreciate some guidance. If there is a way to maintain a large
aquarium with both soft corals and Angelfish, I would really be
interested.

[[email protected]]

Haywood Jablowme > wrote:
> In article >,
> > wrote:

> > > I don't really want
> > > the heat associated with metal halides.
> >
> > Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
> > lighting.

> I'm trying to do as much reading as I can right now. I have seen a
> number of pictures on the internet showing large tanks with both soft
> corals and large angelfish (i.e. Koran Angelfish, Emperor Angelfish).
> Does anyone know how these people are getting away with this? I'm
> guessing that eventually the corals (they look like soft leather
> corals) must be replaced. Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?
> This is what I always thought. If anyone has any insight on this, I
> would appreciate some guidance. If there is a way to maintain a large
> aquarium with both soft corals and Angelfish, I would really be
> interested.

Butterflies are much worse, but even they aren't too bad, if properly
fed.

The centropyge angels are really not much of a problem to all but the
most delicates corals.

Mike

[George Patterson]

Haywood Jablowme wrote:

> Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?

Some will. The Swallowtail and Lamarck's angels do not. The Rock Beauty is also
ok, but it eats sponges, so it's a bit hard to keep. The Asfur, Chrysurus,
Imperator, and Navarchus angels are said to be ok with "noxious soft corals."
Which corals are noxious is another research project.

All other large angels for sale on the Foster & Smith website are likely to at
least nip at corals of any type.

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

[Haywood Jablowme]

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

[swarvegorilla]

I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>
> Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...
>
> Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
> pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
> the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
> weekend.
>
> All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
> Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
> showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
> but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
> and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
> him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
>
> The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
> expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
> the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
> Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
> think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
> can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
> cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
> real problem.
>
> My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
> directly into the hood.
>
> Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
> Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
> know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
> speciosus).
>
> My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
> Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
> spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
> large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
> were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
>
> What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
> select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
> had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
>
> I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

[Reel McKoi[_5_]]

Hey there is your looking for a blow job as yur insidius name
suggests your certianly in the right group with all these ****heads
around. Pszemol is a real BJ artist. and he had a good teacher WAYNE

[Haywood Jablowme]

I'm sorry that you are queer. But this is a forum for marine
aquariums. Direct your comments to the gay groups from now on. THEY
have what you need, jackass.

In article >, Reel McKoi
> wrote:

> Hey there is your looking for a blow job as yur insidius name
> suggests your certianly in the right group with all these ****heads
> around. Pszemol is a real BJ artist. and he had a good teacher WAYNE
>
>

[Haywood Jablowme]

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
next time I'm shopping.

Two questions:

1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
feeders?

2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
this present a problem when doing maintenance?

Thanks, again, for the suggestions!

HJ

In article >,
swarvegorilla > wrote:

> I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
> lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
> 2 of my favourites anyway
>
>
>
> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...
> >
> > Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
> > pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
> > the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
> > weekend.
> >
> > All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
> > Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
> > showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
> > but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
> > and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
> > him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
> >
> > The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
> > expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
> > the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
> > Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
> > think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
> > can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
> > cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
> > real problem.
> >
> > My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
> > directly into the hood.
> >
> > Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
> > Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
> > know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
> > speciosus).
> >
> > My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
> > Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
> > spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
> > large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
> > were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
> >
> > What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
> > select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
> > had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
> >
> > I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
>
>

[Reel McKoi[_6_]]

Who really gives a **** .....are you related to CArol Gulleys
grandkid. She eats lots of bananas!

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:04:46 +1100, "swarvegorilla"
> wrote:
>><>I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
>><>lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
>><>2 of my favourites anyway
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>><>>
>><>> Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...
>><>>
>><>> Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
>><>> pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
>><>> the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
>><>> weekend.
>><>>
>><>> All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
>><>> Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
>><>> showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
>><>> but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
>><>> and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
>><>> him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
>><>>
>><>> The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
>><>> expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
>><>> the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
>><>> Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
>><>> think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
>><>> can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
>><>> cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
>><>> real problem.
>><>>
>><>> My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
>><>> directly into the hood.
>><>>
>><>> Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
>><>> Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
>><>> know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
>><>> speciosus).
>><>>
>><>> My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
>><>> Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
>><>> spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
>><>> Any suggestions?
>><>>
>><>> Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
>><>> large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
>><>> were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
>><>>
>><>> What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
>><>> select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
>><>> had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
>><>>
>><>> I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
>><>

[Reel McKoi[_6_]]

Breing queer is not the same as looking for a blow job there haywood
whatever. I know Wayne is more than willing to accomodate you though!

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:09:45 -0400, Haywood Jablowme
> wrote:
>><>
>><>I'm sorry that you are queer. But this is a forum for marine
>><>aquariums. Direct your comments to the gay groups from now on. THEY
>><>have what you need, jackass.
>><>
>><>In article >, Reel McKoi
> wrote:
>><>
>><>> Hey there is your looking for a blow job as yur insidius name
>><>> suggests your certianly in the right group with all these ****heads
>><>> around. Pszemol is a real BJ artist. and he had a good teacher WAYNE
>><>>
>><>>

[Reel McKoi[_6_]]

You realy are stuooooooooooopid huh, having to ask this bunch of
perverts what fish to buy talk about a dumbass!]
]
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:12:32 -0400, Haywood Jablowme
> wrote:
>><>
>><>Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
>><>next time I'm shopping.
>><>
>><>Two questions:
>><>
>><>1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
>><>the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
>><>feeders?
>><>
>><>2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
>><>this present a problem when doing maintenance?
>><>
>><>Thanks, again, for the suggestions!
>><>
>><>HJ
>><>
>><>In article >,
>><>swarvegorilla > wrote:
>><>
>><>> I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
>><>> lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
>><>> 2 of my favourites anyway
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
>><>> ...
>><>> >
>><>> > Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...
>><>> >
>><>> > Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
>><>> > pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
>><>> > the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
>><>> > weekend.
>><>> >
>><>> > All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
>><>> > Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
>><>> > showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
>><>> > but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
>><>> > and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
>><>> > him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
>><>> >
>><>> > The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
>><>> > expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
>><>> > the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
>><>> > Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
>><>> > think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
>><>> > can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
>><>> > cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
>><>> > real problem.
>><>> >
>><>> > My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
>><>> > directly into the hood.
>><>> >
>><>> > Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
>><>> > Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
>><>> > know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
>><>> > speciosus).
>><>> >
>><>> > My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
>><>> > Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
>><>> > spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
>><>> > Any suggestions?
>><>> >
>><>> > Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
>><>> > large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
>><>> > were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
>><>> >
>><>> > What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
>><>> > select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
>><>> > had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
>><>> >
>><>> > I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
>><>>
>><>>

[swarvegorilla]

"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
> next time I'm shopping.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
> the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
> feeders?

they are excellent algae eaters, but yes they are ok in a scrap. They enjoy
algae discs if you wanted a sinking treat.
Mine come to the surface with the frenzy now, but at first were shy.
It's also a 'common name' for a group of blennys that vary in colour shape
and size in the trade.
>
> 2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
> this present a problem when doing maintenance?

Not for me yet.
I'm scared of lionfish, mantis shrimp, big triggers, ockys and cone snails
when playing around.
The foxface, he's me mate
:)


>
> Thanks, again, for the suggestions!
>
> HJ

No prob mate
Don't mind the trolls
they die hard but mean well.
or something like that,
it's roots are long lost in lameness


>
> In article >,
> swarvegorilla > wrote:
>
>> I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and
>> a
>> lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
>> 2 of my favourites anyway
>>
>>
>>
>> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an
>> > update...
>> >
>> > Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
>> > pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
>> > the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
>> > weekend.
>> >
>> > All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
>> > Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
>> > showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
>> > but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
>> > and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
>> > him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
>> >
>> > The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
>> > expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
>> > the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
>> > Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
>> > think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
>> > can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
>> > cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
>> > real problem.
>> >
>> > My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
>> > directly into the hood.
>> >
>> > Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
>> > Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
>> > know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
>> > speciosus).
>> >
>> > My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
>> > Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
>> > spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
>> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
>> > large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
>> > were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
>> >
>> > What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
>> > select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
>> > had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
>> >
>> > I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
>>
>>

[Haywood Jablowme]

I'm going to also look into your suggestion (Foxface Rabbitfish). My
original idea was to get a group of surgeonfish. A group of three,
perhaps two yellow tangs and a purple tang. Or a pair of purple tangs
and a yellow tang. In a tank this large, if all were added at the same
time, they should settle down in a few days. I did this on a smaller
scale in an Oceanic 58 gallon tank years ago and it worked out fine.

My LFS is trying to talk me out of the tangs and into the Rabbitfish.
What is the attraction? Are they less boisterous than Tangs? Are they
hardier than Tangs? Will they do OK in a group? Or, am I better off
just adding one?

Thanks, again, for your advice!

HJ

P.S. all of the fish are still doing great! I just need to make sure
the food is broken apart in small enough pieces for the Longnose
Butterflyfish to be able to eat.

In article >,
swarvegorilla > wrote:

> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
> > next time I'm shopping.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > 1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
> > the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
> > feeders?
>
> they are excellent algae eaters, but yes they are ok in a scrap. They enjoy
> algae discs if you wanted a sinking treat.
> Mine come to the surface with the frenzy now, but at first were shy.
> It's also a 'common name' for a group of blennys that vary in colour shape
> and size in the trade.
> >
> > 2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
> > this present a problem when doing maintenance?
>
> Not for me yet.
> I'm scared of lionfish, mantis shrimp, big triggers, ockys and cone snails
> when playing around.
> The foxface, he's me mate
> :)
>
>
> >
> > Thanks, again, for the suggestions!
> >
> > HJ
>
> No prob mate
> Don't mind the trolls
> they die hard but mean well.
> or something like that,
> it's roots are long lost in lameness
>
>
> >
> > In article >,
> > swarvegorilla > wrote:
> >
> >> I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and
> >> a
> >> lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
> >> 2 of my favourites anyway
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an
> >> > update...
> >> >
> >> > Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
> >> > pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
> >> > the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
> >> > weekend.
> >> >
> >> > All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
> >> > Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
> >> > showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
> >> > but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
> >> > and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
> >> > him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...
> >> >
> >> > The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
> >> > expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
> >> > the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
> >> > Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
> >> > think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
> >> > can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
> >> > cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
> >> > real problem.
> >> >
> >> > My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
> >> > directly into the hood.
> >> >
> >> > Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
> >> > Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
> >> > know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
> >> > speciosus).
> >> >
> >> > My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
> >> > Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
> >> > spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
> >> > large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
> >> > were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
> >> >
> >> > What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
> >> > select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
> >> > had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
> >> >
> >> > I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
> >>
> >>
>
>

[Haywood Jablowme]

People sharing experiences and advice is what makes the internet what
it is. You have two choices...

1) You can continue spouting your venom and ****ing everyone off.

2) You can read the messages and (perhaps) learn something.

If your mind is open, I would recommend option 2. If you wish to keep
your mind closed then YOU are the stupid one. Regardless of how much
you rant and rave, everyone will always know what you are. How sad it
must be to be so unhappy.

Whatever nickname people choose to use is absolutely none of your
concern. So, please put your energy to better use.

Haywood J.

In article >, Reel McKoi
> wrote:

> You realy are stuooooooooooopid huh, having to ask this bunch of
> perverts what fish to buy talk about a dumbass!]
> ]
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:12:32 -0400, Haywood Jablowme
> > wrote:
> >><>
> >><>Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
> >><>next time I'm shopping.
> >><>
> >><>Two questions:
> >><>
> >><>1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
> >><>the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
> >><>feeders?
> >><>
> >><>2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
> >><>this present a problem when doing maintenance?
> >><>
> >><>Thanks, again, for the suggestions!
> >><>
> >><>HJ
> >><>
> >><>In article >,
> >><>swarvegorilla > wrote:
> >><>
> >><>> I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish,
> >>and a
> >><>> lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
> >><>> 2 of my favourites anyway
> >><>>
> >><>>
> >><>>
> >><>> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> >><>> ...
> >><>> >
> >><>> > Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an
> >>update...
> >><>> >
> >><>> > Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
> >><>> > pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
> >><>> > the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
> >><>> > weekend.
> >><>> >
> >><>> > All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
> >><>> > Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent
> >>tests
> >><>> > showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
> >><>> > but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
> >><>> > and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
> >><>> > him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest
> >>thing...
> >><>> >
> >><>> > The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
> >><>> > expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to
> >>raise
> >><>> > the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
> >><>> > Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
> >><>> > think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
> >><>> > can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
> >><>> > cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
> >><>> > real problem.
> >><>> >
> >><>> > My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
> >><>> > directly into the hood.
> >><>> >
> >><>> > Fish are: 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
> >><>> > Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
> >><>> > know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
> >><>> > speciosus).
> >><>> >
> >><>> > My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
> >><>> > Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for
> >>a
> >><>> > spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
> >><>> > Any suggestions?
> >><>> >
> >><>> > Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply
> >>no
> >><>> > large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
> >><>> > were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).
> >><>> >
> >><>> > What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had
> >>to
> >><>> > select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
> >><>> > had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.
> >><>> >
> >><>> > I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.
> >><>>
> >><>>
>

[swarvegorilla]

"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm going to also look into your suggestion (Foxface Rabbitfish). My
> original idea was to get a group of surgeonfish. A group of three,
> perhaps two yellow tangs and a purple tang. Or a pair of purple tangs
> and a yellow tang. In a tank this large, if all were added at the same
> time, they should settle down in a few days. I did this on a smaller
> scale in an Oceanic 58 gallon tank years ago and it worked out fine.
>
> My LFS is trying to talk me out of the tangs and into the Rabbitfish.
> What is the attraction? Are they less boisterous than Tangs? Are they
> hardier than Tangs? Will they do OK in a group? Or, am I better off
> just adding one?
>
> Thanks, again, for your advice!
>
> HJ
>
> P.S. all of the fish are still doing great! I just need to make sure
> the food is broken apart in small enough pieces for the Longnose
> Butterflyfish to be able to eat.

Tangs don't always get along that well, need to be fed often and stress out
get disease easily.......
Foxfaces are just great fish, I have only ever had one in a tank so can't
talk about how they would go in a group.
But yea, maybe it's because I like scats so much and they remind me of
them....
Just friendly and cool looking
hmmm.... wish I could give ya a better answer but "I likes them' is about
all I can find.

[Haywood Jablowme]

Added some more fish last weekend. Three Yellow Tangs, One Sailfin
Tang and a Flame Angelfish (Centropyge loriculus). All fish are
getting along well. The other fish (two pacific blue tangs, three
Heniochus Butterflyfish, Longnose Butterflyfish and Golden Jack) hardly
noticed.

I'm going to wait a week or two and then add a large Angelfish
(probably an Emperor Angel).

Thanks for all of the feedback (except for the one idiot).

HJ


In article >,
swarvegorilla > wrote:

> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I'm going to also look into your suggestion (Foxface Rabbitfish). My
> > original idea was to get a group of surgeonfish. A group of three,
> > perhaps two yellow tangs and a purple tang. Or a pair of purple tangs
> > and a yellow tang. In a tank this large, if all were added at the same
> > time, they should settle down in a few days. I did this on a smaller
> > scale in an Oceanic 58 gallon tank years ago and it worked out fine.
> >
> > My LFS is trying to talk me out of the tangs and into the Rabbitfish.
> > What is the attraction? Are they less boisterous than Tangs? Are they
> > hardier than Tangs? Will they do OK in a group? Or, am I better off
> > just adding one?
> >
> > Thanks, again, for your advice!
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > P.S. all of the fish are still doing great! I just need to make sure
> > the food is broken apart in small enough pieces for the Longnose
> > Butterflyfish to be able to eat.
>
> Tangs don't always get along that well, need to be fed often and stress out
> get disease easily.......
> Foxfaces are just great fish, I have only ever had one in a tank so can't
> talk about how they would go in a group.
> But yea, maybe it's because I like scats so much and they remind me of
> them....
> Just friendly and cool looking
> hmmm.... wish I could give ya a better answer but "I likes them' is about
> all I can find.
>
>
>

[swarvegorilla]

No prob,
Glad to hear it's all going well
Tank must look amazing with all that colour!
Are you a member of any of the internet reef forums?
Some really good ones with plenty of guru's on them also
Otherwise
If you have a printer or time to read on a computer check out these links
They are to free online marine aquarium magazines, be sure to check back
each month for the new issues.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/9/
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/CAHomepage.htm
http://reefkeeping.com/index.htm

and also
http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page
is getting better and better
Roc on!
And make sure those tangs get their vege's!
ALgae, spirulina, vege's, seaweed..... lots little feeds seems to work
well.
:)
Swarvegorilla



"Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
...
>
> Added some more fish last weekend. Three Yellow Tangs, One Sailfin
> Tang and a Flame Angelfish (Centropyge loriculus). All fish are
> getting along well. The other fish (two pacific blue tangs, three
> Heniochus Butterflyfish, Longnose Butterflyfish and Golden Jack) hardly
> noticed.
>
> I'm going to wait a week or two and then add a large Angelfish
> (probably an Emperor Angel).
>
> Thanks for all of the feedback (except for the one idiot).
>
> HJ
>
>
> In article >,
> swarvegorilla > wrote:
>
>> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I'm going to also look into your suggestion (Foxface Rabbitfish). My
>> > original idea was to get a group of surgeonfish. A group of three,
>> > perhaps two yellow tangs and a purple tang. Or a pair of purple tangs
>> > and a yellow tang. In a tank this large, if all were added at the same
>> > time, they should settle down in a few days. I did this on a smaller
>> > scale in an Oceanic 58 gallon tank years ago and it worked out fine.
>> >
>> > My LFS is trying to talk me out of the tangs and into the Rabbitfish.
>> > What is the attraction? Are they less boisterous than Tangs? Are they
>> > hardier than Tangs? Will they do OK in a group? Or, am I better off
>> > just adding one?
>> >
>> > Thanks, again, for your advice!
>> >
>> > HJ
>> >
>> > P.S. all of the fish are still doing great! I just need to make sure
>> > the food is broken apart in small enough pieces for the Longnose
>> > Butterflyfish to be able to eat.
>>
>> Tangs don't always get along that well, need to be fed often and stress
>> out
>> get disease easily.......
>> Foxfaces are just great fish, I have only ever had one in a tank so can't
>> talk about how they would go in a group.
>> But yea, maybe it's because I like scats so much and they remind me of
>> them....
>> Just friendly and cool looking
>> hmmm.... wish I could give ya a better answer but "I likes them' is
>> about
>> all I can find.
>>
>>
>>

[Haywood Jablowme]

Yes, the tank looks amazing. Today, I added the last two fish. A
large yellow banded maroon clownfish and a blueface angelfish. All is
well with the following exception. I have noticed some aggression with
the three yellow tangs that definitely was not there prior to the
addition of the latest two fish. Since the maroon clownfish is a
fairly benign fish, I have to deduce that it has something to do with
the addition of the large blueface angelfish. He is about 6 inches
long. So, I am guessing that the other fish are somewhat intimidated
by his presence. I'm hoping that things will settle down in a day or
two. In order to help this situation, I have kept the lights off
except when feeding them. So far, the blueface angelfish has not shown
any interest in food. He has been eating in the store. They have had
him for more than 2 weeks. And, he aggressively fed just before I
decided to purchase him earlier today. This is why I still think all
will be well in a day or two. Am I correct about the aggression
between the yellow tangs?

Also, the three heniochus butterflyfish have exhibited cleaning
behavior trying to "clean" other fish. I know this is somewhat normal.
If it is not welcomed by the other fish, will the henoichus eventually
stop doing it?

Thanks for the suggestions. I will check out the online magazines.

I appreciate your comments!

HJ



In article >,
swarvegorilla > wrote:

> No prob,
> Glad to hear it's all going well
> Tank must look amazing with all that colour!
> Are you a member of any of the internet reef forums?
> Some really good ones with plenty of guru's on them also
> Otherwise
> If you have a printer or time to read on a computer check out these links
> They are to free online marine aquarium magazines, be sure to check back
> each month for the new issues.
> http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/9/
> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/CAHomepage.htm
> http://reefkeeping.com/index.htm
>
> and also
> http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page
> is getting better and better
> Roc on!
> And make sure those tangs get their vege's!
> ALgae, spirulina, vege's, seaweed..... lots little feeds seems to work
> well.
> :)
> Swarvegorilla
>
>
>
> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Added some more fish last weekend. Three Yellow Tangs, One Sailfin
> > Tang and a Flame Angelfish (Centropyge loriculus). All fish are
> > getting along well. The other fish (two pacific blue tangs, three
> > Heniochus Butterflyfish, Longnose Butterflyfish and Golden Jack) hardly
> > noticed.
> >
> > I'm going to wait a week or two and then add a large Angelfish
> > (probably an Emperor Angel).
> >
> > Thanks for all of the feedback (except for the one idiot).
> >
> > HJ
> >
> >
> > In article >,
> > swarvegorilla > wrote:
> >
> >> "Haywood Jablowme" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to also look into your suggestion (Foxface Rabbitfish). My
> >> > original idea was to get a group of surgeonfish. A group of three,
> >> > perhaps two yellow tangs and a purple tang. Or a pair of purple tangs
> >> > and a yellow tang. In a tank this large, if all were added at the same
> >> > time, they should settle down in a few days. I did this on a smaller
> >> > scale in an Oceanic 58 gallon tank years ago and it worked out fine.
> >> >
> >> > My LFS is trying to talk me out of the tangs and into the Rabbitfish.
> >> > What is the attraction? Are they less boisterous than Tangs? Are they
> >> > hardier than Tangs? Will they do OK in a group? Or, am I better off
> >> > just adding one?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, again, for your advice!
> >> >
> >> > HJ
> >> >
> >> > P.S. all of the fish are still doing great! I just need to make sure
> >> > the food is broken apart in small enough pieces for the Longnose
> >> > Butterflyfish to be able to eat.
> >>
> >> Tangs don't always get along that well, need to be fed often and stress
> >> out
> >> get disease easily.......
> >> Foxfaces are just great fish, I have only ever had one in a tank so can't
> >> talk about how they would go in a group.
> >> But yea, maybe it's because I like scats so much and they remind me of
> >> them....
> >> Just friendly and cool looking
> >> hmmm.... wish I could give ya a better answer but "I likes them' is
> >> about
> >> all I can find.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>