SICK GOLDFISH

[alannaccousar]

I have had my goldfish about 2 years now and i keep them in a 6 gallon tank.
I have just recently changed the gravel in the tank and the water still hasnt
cleared up, its still murky even thought i have a filter in tank and also
have an air stone in tank. I only did a 50/50 water change. Now my fish are
lying at the bottom of the tank & i dont know what to do? can any body help
me please?

Kind Regards

Alanna

[Quanta]

"alannaccousar" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message news:6a54855c33cfe@uwe...
>I have had my goldfish about 2 years now and i keep them in a 6 gallon
>tank.
> I have just recently changed the gravel in the tank


Oh no. Bad bad bad. Much of the beneficial bacteria was in the gravel.
Then the 50% water change.....good luck, you will need it.

[Edward]

Changeing your gravel killed the bacteria that break down fish waste
products, your tank must now go through another cycle to redevelop the
bacteria.There is not much you can do, small water changes may help
though, take water from the surface and do not disturb the gravel. In a
tank the size of yours I'd change about 2 gallons at a time. If you need
any more help you can e-mail me directly at , just
put goldfish in the subject matter.
Ed

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EMERGENCY
1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
2. do the fish physical
3. change some or all of the water
4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
Check water parameters including ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH and temperature.
change water, remember to treat the chlorinated water first. the gravel contained
the biobugs. if you got the gravel, rinse it in treated water then put it back into
the tank.
QUIT FEEDING THE FISH until the water clears up and ammonia is gone.

"alannaccousar" <u29964@uwe> wrote:

>I have had my goldfish about 2 years now and i keep them in a 6 gallon tank.
>I have just recently changed the gravel in the tank and the water still hasnt
>cleared up, its still murky even thought i have a filter in tank and also
>have an air stone in tank. I only did a 50/50 water change. Now my fish are
>lying at the bottom of the tank & i dont know what to do? can any body help
>me please?
>
>Kind Regards
>
>Alanna



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[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

wrote:
>EMERGENCY
>1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
>2. do the fish physical
>3. change some or all of the water
>4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
>5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
>Check water parameters including ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH and temperature.
>change water, remember to treat the chlorinated water first. the gravel contained
>the biobugs. if you got the gravel, rinse it in treated water then put it back into
>the tank.
>QUIT FEEDING THE FISH until the water clears up and ammonia is gone.

i still got the other gravel in a bag? should i mix it into the other stuff?
wots the tub to tub method?
Thanks so much 4 ur help

x

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[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

just tried a small water change. I so didnt know about the gravel. Im gutted
about wot ive done. I hav fiter start should i add that to the filter? x

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[Quanta]

"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message
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> just tried a small water change. I so didnt know about the gravel. Im
> gutted
> about wot ive done. I hav fiter start should i add that to the filter? x
>
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>

If the gravel has been maintained in water, the answer to both is yes.
Otherwise......no the bacteria are dead.

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"Quanta" > wrote in message
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> "alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message
> news:6a608a4567434@uwe...
>> just tried a small water change. I so didnt know about the gravel. Im
>> gutted
>> about wot ive done. I hav fiter start should i add that to the filter? x
>>
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> If the gravel has been maintained in water, the answer to both is yes.
> Otherwise......no the bacteria are dead.
>

PS

A good fish store will give or sell some gravel that is already seeded.

[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

Stores round here only sell new gravel, the gravel was just put in a plastic
bag! Damm! Ive added the filter start, pls keep ur fingers cross 4 my wee
fish! Im so worried as we've all been through alot and if i kill them ill b
gutted! if there is anything else u can think of let me know. thanks 4 ur
help x

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"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message
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> Stores round here only sell new gravel, the gravel was just put in a
> plastic
> bag! Damm! Ive added the filter start, pls keep ur fingers cross 4 my wee
> fish! Im so worried as we've all been through alot and if i kill them ill
> b
> gutted! if there is anything else u can think of let me know. thanks 4 ur
> help x
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Them? More than one in a 6g tank? Keep checking for AMMONIA and do partial
changes to keep it as low as possible. DO NOT disturb the gravel or filter
as the new bacteria are building numbers. Check for NITRITES and then do
the same. Your tank has to cycle all over again. Google
aquarium+nitrogen+cycle for more information that you ever dreamed of.

Your tank is kind of small for goldfish. GF get large fast if healthy and
well fed. Each needs at least 10g for proper growth and development.
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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yes, rinse the gravel and put it back into the tank.
the link for tub to tub is here
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/



"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote:

wrote:
>>EMERGENCY
>>1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
>>2. do the fish physical
>>3. change some or all of the water
>>4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
>>5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
>>Check water parameters including ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH and temperature.
>>change water, remember to treat the chlorinated water first. the gravel contained
>>the biobugs. if you got the gravel, rinse it in treated water then put it back into
>>the tank.
>>QUIT FEEDING THE FISH until the water clears up and ammonia is gone.
>
>i still got the other gravel in a bag? should i mix it into the other stuff?
>wots the tub to tub method?
>Thanks so much 4 ur help
>
>x



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Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

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do larger water changes. yes, add filter start if you got. biospira has been tested
by people on this list and is worth the money.

"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote:

>just tried a small water change. I so didnt know about the gravel. Im gutted
>about wot ive done. I hav fiter start should i add that to the filter? x



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[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

Sorry i typed it wrong, i have a 60 gallon tank and have 2 big goldfish and 2
wee ones. I hav been doing the water change and they seem to b fine except
one of the big ones, all it seems to b doing is sitting at the bottom of the
tank, its still eating, its fin is flat down? its looks ok except that,
breathing fine. Any ideas?

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[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

SORRY I MEANT TO PUT 60 GALLON TANK NOT 6 GALLON...........SORRY

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"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message
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> Sorry i typed it wrong, i have a 60 gallon tank and have 2 big goldfish
> and 2
> wee ones. I hav been doing the water change and they seem to b fine except
> one of the big ones, all it seems to b doing is sitting at the bottom of
> the
> tank, its still eating, its fin is flat down? its looks ok except that,
> breathing fine. Any ideas?
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If all your water parameters are ok then you need to look elsewhere. I'm no
expert on GF diseases since I've had so little trouble with them over the
years. Parasites have been my bugaboo. :-( I can make suggestions but I
think it's better if you check out some websites like www.koivet.com run by
a veterinarian. You can start there - or Google goldfish+diseases or
goldfish+care. A GF on the bottom with it's dorsal fin down is not a good
sign.
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"alannaccousar via PetKB.com" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message
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> SORRY I MEANT TO PUT 60 GALLON TANK NOT 6 GALLON...........SORRY
>
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Gotcha!
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[alannaccousar via PetKB.com]

ur a star, thank u so much x

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[swarvegorilla]

"alannaccousar" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message news:6a54855c33cfe@uwe...
>I have had my goldfish about 2 years now and i keep them in a 6 gallon
>tank.
> I have just recently changed the gravel in the tank and the water still
> hasnt
> cleared up, its still murky even thought i have a filter in tank and also
> have an air stone in tank. I only did a 50/50 water change. Now my fish
> are
> lying at the bottom of the tank & i dont know what to do? can any body
> help
> me please?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Alanna
>

you need to get a cycled filter and put it on the tank.
borrow one from some one
do not feed fish
keep up partial water changes

[swarvegorilla]

"alannaccousar" <u29964@uwe> wrote in message news:6a54855c33cfe@uwe...
>I have had my goldfish about 2 years now and i keep them in a 6 gallon
>tank.
> I have just recently changed the gravel in the tank and the water still
> hasnt
> cleared up, its still murky even thought i have a filter in tank and also
> have an air stone in tank. I only did a 50/50 water change. Now my fish
> are
> lying at the bottom of the tank & i dont know what to do? can any body
> help
> me please?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Alanna
>

How much good brown slime is there in your filter?
MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!!
clean your filters in a bucket of water drawn from the aquarium.
NEVER UNDER A TAP!
you must keep your filter bacteria alive!!!