NTD spreading to other fish

[Mary E. Hill]

I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back half of
his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is beginning
to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of my fish
now??

I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen that looks
like what I've got. :( Bad situation!

Any help?

Thanks,
Mary

[NetMax]

"Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
...
> I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back half
of
> his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is
beginning
> to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of my
fish
> now??
>
> I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen that
looks
> like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
>
> Any help?
>
> Thanks,
> Mary


Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have someone
with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching, check out
Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting behind the
dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to spread to
a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease, and keep
some parasite medication on standby in the event they are around to move
in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus (protozoans?)
so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Mary E. Hill]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back half
> of
> > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is
> beginning
> > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of my
> fish
> > now??
> >
> > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen that
> looks
> > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> >
> > Any help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mary
>
>
> Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have someone
> with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching, check out
> Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting behind the
> dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to spread to
> a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease, and keep
> some parasite medication on standby in the event they are around to move
> in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus (protozoans?)
> so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk

Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for them.

[Mary E. Hill]

"Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back half
> > of
> > > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is
> > beginning
> > > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of my
> > fish
> > > now??
> > >
> > > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen that
> > looks
> > > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> > >
> > > Any help?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have someone
> > with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching, check out
> > Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting behind the
> > dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to spread to
> > a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease, and keep
> > some parasite medication on standby in the event they are around to move
> > in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus (protozoans?)
> > so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> > --
> > www.NetMax.tk
>
> Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for them.
>
>
The betta was dead when I got home last night. Body was all solid white.
This really sucks.

[NetMax]

"Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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>
> "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back
half
> > > of
> > > > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is
> > > beginning
> > > > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of
my
> > > fish
> > > > now??
> > > >
> > > > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen
that
> > > looks
> > > > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> > > >
> > > > Any help?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mary
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have
someone
> > > with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching,
check out
> > > Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting behind
the
> > > dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to
spread to
> > > a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease, and
keep
> > > some parasite medication on standby in the event they are around to
move
> > > in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus
(protozoans?)
> > > so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> > > --
> > > www.NetMax.tk
> >
> > Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for them.
> >
> >
> The betta was dead when I got home last night. Body was all solid
white.
> This really sucks.

Bummer, sorry. Based on the rapid rate of infection, the most probable
cause is bacterial, which can be very contagious.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Mary E. Hill]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
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> "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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> > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the back
> half
> > > > of
> > > > > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?) betta is
> > > > beginning
> > > > > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose all of
> my
> > > > fish
> > > > > now??
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've seen
> that
> > > > looks
> > > > > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> > > > >
> > > > > Any help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have
> someone
> > > > with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching,
> check out
> > > > Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting behind
> the
> > > > dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to
> spread to
> > > > a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease, and
> keep
> > > > some parasite medication on standby in the event they are around to
> move
> > > > in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus
> (protozoans?)
> > > > so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> > > > --
> > > > www.NetMax.tk
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for them.
> > >
> > >
> > The betta was dead when I got home last night. Body was all solid
> white.
> > This really sucks.
>
> Bummer, sorry. Based on the rapid rate of infection, the most probable
> cause is bacterial, which can be very contagious.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>

One more question - if I lose all of my fish, what should I do to prepare
the tank for new ones? And by the way, thanks for your help with this. I'd
be lost otherwise:)

Mary

[NetMax]

"Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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> > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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> > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the
back
> > half
> > > > > of
> > > > > > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?)
betta is
> > > > > beginning
> > > > > > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose
all of
> > my
> > > > > fish
> > > > > > now??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've
seen
> > that
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Mary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have
> > someone
> > > > > with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching,
> > check out
> > > > > Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting
behind
> > the
> > > > > dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to
> > spread to
> > > > > a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease,
and
> > keep
> > > > > some parasite medication on standby in the event they are
around to
> > move
> > > > > in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus
> > (protozoans?)
> > > > > so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> > > > > --
> > > > > www.NetMax.tk
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for
them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > The betta was dead when I got home last night. Body was all solid
> > white.
> > > This really sucks.
> >
> > Bummer, sorry. Based on the rapid rate of infection, the most
probable
> > cause is bacterial, which can be very contagious.
> > --
> > www.NetMax.tk
> >
>
> One more question - if I lose all of my fish, what should I do to
prepare
> the tank for new ones? And by the way, thanks for your help with this.
I'd
> be lost otherwise:)
>
> Mary


I usually treat the tank with antibiotics and cure it. Sterilizing tanks
is a last option which I try to avoid.

At work, it's drain & empty, plants get bleach dipped (20:1 ratio) or
thrown away, gravel gets replaced, filters get emptied and left to dry.
Ornaments scrubbed and dried (bleach dip as applicable). Three days
later, refill, new sponges, sometimes an Aquarisol or bleach soak
(depending on the contagion), empty rinse fill empty rinse fill. New
plants, ornaments, and a completely different species of fish. I only do
this for something which is not treatable.

At home, I wouldn't do as much, empty, wash everything in hot water. I
have enough gravel in storage that I'd probably change to another type
and let the hot water washed gravel dry out somewhere until I need it
again. New sponges are an option, but I'm cheap (and not necessarily
smart) so I use a lot of hot water and complete dehydration afterwards.
Bleach dips are handy.

Fish are not equally susceptible to diseases (which is good because in
the wild, they are all connected by the same water ;~), so treatment will
often clear the problem and the other fish will be unaffected. Massive
water changes are always good, diluting whatever ails them. With varying
degrees, time will also work as most contagions need a host to maintain
them, but sometimes the fish become carriers.

Columnaris, Flexibacter etc are somewhat common, move fast through a tank
and then fades away with time, but you might have any number of bacterial
infections (identification is difficult). I'd go a round of Maracyn
which is a wide spectrum gram positive antibiotic (or pick up some common
Erythromycin). If that didn't work, I'd then go a round of Marcyn Two
which is a wide spectrum gram negative antibiotic (common tetracycline I
think is also a gram negative antibiotic). While dosing the tank, it's
not uncommon to have to treat for parasites. Ich is opportunistic,
waiting to pounce on weak fish. It's more of a nuisance than anything
and it's easily cured. If you haven't added anything (fish plants etc)
to your tank in several months, then you might not have any Ich present
in the tank so it's a non-issue. If you do, then a half-dosage of Ich
medication (Coppersafe, Maracide or anything with malachite green) might
be worth adding when you start the antibiotics.

Note that I have no credentials to supply medical advice. Text
descriptions of fish symptoms are dodgy. I'm just giving you reasonably
sound approaches to research further and adjust according to the type of
fish you have, and the medications which are locally available to you.
About fish medications, I already know much more than I would rather like
to, and I know very little.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Mary E. Hill]

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> > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
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> > > > > > "Mary E. Hill" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > I posted about a neon tetra changing to a solid white in the
> back
> > > half
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > his body, then dying. Now my new (who may be the cause?)
> betta is
> > > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > to show that white solid coloring too! Am I going to lose
> all of
> > > my
> > > > > > fish
> > > > > > > now??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've got to look up more info on ntd because that's all I've
> seen
> > > that
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > like what I've got. :( Bad situation!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any help?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Mary
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry to hear that. It's not an exact science unless you have
> > > someone
> > > > > > with a microscope to help ID the contagion. When researching,
> > > check out
> > > > > > Columnaris as well. This can appear as a whitening starting
> behind
> > > the
> > > > > > dorsal fin and moving backwards. That might be more likely to
> > > spread to
> > > > > > a Betta than NTD. Broad spectrum antibiotics for the disease,
> and
> > > keep
> > > > > > some parasite medication on standby in the event they are
> around to
> > > move
> > > > > > in on weakened fish. Might also be a type of body fungus
> > > (protozoans?)
> > > > > > so you'll need to find some pictures for comparison.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > www.NetMax.tk
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the advice - I'll buy some antibiotics tonight for
> them.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > The betta was dead when I got home last night. Body was all solid
> > > white.
> > > > This really sucks.
> > >
> > > Bummer, sorry. Based on the rapid rate of infection, the most
> probable
> > > cause is bacterial, which can be very contagious.
> > > --
> > > www.NetMax.tk
> > >
> >
> > One more question - if I lose all of my fish, what should I do to
> prepare
> > the tank for new ones? And by the way, thanks for your help with this.
> I'd
> > be lost otherwise:)
> >
> > Mary
>
>
> I usually treat the tank with antibiotics and cure it. Sterilizing tanks
> is a last option which I try to avoid.
>
> At work, it's drain & empty, plants get bleach dipped (20:1 ratio) or
> thrown away, gravel gets replaced, filters get emptied and left to dry.
> Ornaments scrubbed and dried (bleach dip as applicable). Three days
> later, refill, new sponges, sometimes an Aquarisol or bleach soak
> (depending on the contagion), empty rinse fill empty rinse fill. New
> plants, ornaments, and a completely different species of fish. I only do
> this for something which is not treatable.
>
> At home, I wouldn't do as much, empty, wash everything in hot water. I
> have enough gravel in storage that I'd probably change to another type
> and let the hot water washed gravel dry out somewhere until I need it
> again. New sponges are an option, but I'm cheap (and not necessarily
> smart) so I use a lot of hot water and complete dehydration afterwards.
> Bleach dips are handy.
>
> Fish are not equally susceptible to diseases (which is good because in
> the wild, they are all connected by the same water ;~), so treatment will
> often clear the problem and the other fish will be unaffected. Massive
> water changes are always good, diluting whatever ails them. With varying
> degrees, time will also work as most contagions need a host to maintain
> them, but sometimes the fish become carriers.
>
> Columnaris, Flexibacter etc are somewhat common, move fast through a tank
> and then fades away with time, but you might have any number of bacterial
> infections (identification is difficult). I'd go a round of Maracyn
> which is a wide spectrum gram positive antibiotic (or pick up some common
> Erythromycin). If that didn't work, I'd then go a round of Marcyn Two
> which is a wide spectrum gram negative antibiotic (common tetracycline I
> think is also a gram negative antibiotic). While dosing the tank, it's
> not uncommon to have to treat for parasites. Ich is opportunistic,
> waiting to pounce on weak fish. It's more of a nuisance than anything
> and it's easily cured. If you haven't added anything (fish plants etc)
> to your tank in several months, then you might not have any Ich present
> in the tank so it's a non-issue. If you do, then a half-dosage of Ich
> medication (Coppersafe, Maracide or anything with malachite green) might
> be worth adding when you start the antibiotics.
>
> Note that I have no credentials to supply medical advice. Text
> descriptions of fish symptoms are dodgy. I'm just giving you reasonably
> sound approaches to research further and adjust according to the type of
> fish you have, and the medications which are locally available to you.
> About fish medications, I already know much more than I would rather like
> to, and I know very little.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>
No credentials? Bah - I took notes:) Thanks much for being available to
me!