Reverse Osmosis System

[KurtG]

I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
walmart. Any recommendations?

--Kurt

[Pszemol]

"KurtG" > wrote in message ...
> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
> walmart. Any recommendations?

www.eBay.com

[Tristan]

Yep.......dollar for dollar.Filterdirect.com is the way togo.
You can buy a Kent or coralife or any number of other "big name"
brands sold by aquarium and fish shops, and one is not any better tan
the other. You can get soaked dollar wise or get a perfectly capanble
unit and sabe a lot of money. Checkout Ebay auciton site for a selled
that goes by filterdirect. You can elect to bid on enbay or just use
his toll free number and give him a call. His phone nuber is listed on
his ebay store stuff. The fellas name is Oscar, andhe is locate din
CAlifornia. He willsellyou a unit without haivng to go through Ebay
for whatever his buy it now price is, which is about half of what most
LFS charge for a similar unit.

Somew folks say 100 gpd is not the way to go as its not going to give
good water. I have two of them and both are 99% pure output accoding
to my TDS meter. If yu prefer to go with a lower GPD rate, Oscar will
install whatever membrane you desire for no additional charge.......
IMHO , I give $122 for a RODI unit with reechargeable DI resin
carts, and a total of 5 stages delivered to my door. Thats a good
price. I gave 108 for a unit from Aqua Safe or somehting liek that,
who is yet another seller on ebay and the unit has been nothng but
trouble, and when yu consider whats involved with them, its hard to
imagine they can be problematic. I have had trouble with auto shut
off, cracking housings etc etc. It cost me $130 delivered and its been
crap. I have since purchased yet another from Filterdirect and
installed it in my barn for my fish room down there andits been
trouble free as well. So my vopte is out to Oscar of Filterdirect for
a good price and great service on a rodi unit. That is unless you like
to plop down 200+ and not get anythng any better
http://www.filterdirect.com

So Kurt how close did that nasty weather ocme to yur place. Hear 5 or
6 houses wwre demolished near Jacksonville..........real bummer.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:50:33 -0500, KurtG
> wrote:

<<>>
<<>>I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
<<>>walmart. Any recommendations?
<<>>
<<>>--Kurt



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[TheRock]

My system...
http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUA-SAFE-AQUARIUM-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WATER-FILTER_W0QQitemZ150072656761QQihZ005QQcategoryZ206 84QQcmdZViewItem

RO/DI
These guys have been on eBay for a while and they sell replacement parts and
filter media.

6 stage 100GPD

"KurtG" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
> walmart. Any recommendations?
>
> --Kurt

[Tristan]

Yea, and they are also the ones I had nothing but trouble with as
well. They are ready to jump on the phone and take an order for a unit
and grab the money, however try and get warranty out of them. They
refused to return emails, or phone calls, and their phone nunber
actually is in CAnada not the USA. They come on with a speach that
they only do "e" commerce, "e" tech support and e everything else.
What they do the best is ignore you if you got a problem.

I have not affiliation with Filterdirect, who has been on Ebay for a
long time as well, and I was a bit gun shy on ordering yet another
rodi unit off ebay vendors , especially with the satisfactioon Aqua
Safe gave me......... er ah did not giv eme. I called filters direct,
and ordered one, and after talking to the man that owns Filterdiredt,
to see if their parts would work the Aqua safe one, he said yes the
parts in question should pretty well fit. He sent me the parts at no
charge to fix his competitors unit......I have since fixed that
"other" vendors unit and sold it........and hjave purchased yet
another of the Filter direct models.

I still like purchasing from a company that is not too good to talk to
me, once they have my money. And when I need replacement media and
such I like to talk to a real person then as well. In my experieince
Aqua XXXX is a poor excuse for a vendor and goodluck getting something
if on warranty or such. Just ain't gonna happen. Call Filterdirect a
call and talk to the owner Oscar.....he sure will treat you right. Oh
those units are american made by Honeywell Inc, and go by the name of
Water General. Aqua safes units have China made housings on them and
were "part" of my problem with cracks and leaks.


On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:13:29 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:

<<>>My system...
<<>>http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUA-SAFE-AQUARIUM-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WATER-FILTER_W0QQitemZ150072656761QQihZ005QQcategoryZ206 84QQcmdZViewItem
<<>>
<<>>RO/DI
<<>>These guys have been on eBay for a while and they sell replacement parts and
<<>>filter media.
<<>>
<<>>6 stage 100GPD
<<>>
<<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
<<>>> walmart. Any recommendations?
<<>>>
<<>>> --Kurt
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Yet another problem or short coming with the Aquya Safe units is till
you add in the high $30 some dollar shipping costs your already over
what Filter Direct charges. ....bout $20 in continental USA. The one
piece DI chamber on the Aqua safe is prone to channeling so yur
wasting a lot of di resin media as compared to better units that have
two individual rechargeable carts installed instead of one large cart.
The both brands holds the same amount of resin contrary to what Aqua
ZSafe says, with their s supposedly being bigger. Its not true.
Channeling of di resin is a major problem with large canisters and
thats what has lead most manufact to go with a smaller rechargeable
cart so its more effective and eliminates the potential for channeling
better.
And with Filterdirects water general they will include what supply
adapter you need and not charge extra for one thats not in the kit..
Checkouy how much aqua safe charges for replacement filters and
membranes and di resin..a lot more money than Filter direct does.


On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:13:29 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:

<<>>My system...
<<>>http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUA-SAFE-AQUARIUM-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WATER-FILTER_W0QQitemZ150072656761QQihZ005QQcategoryZ206 84QQcmdZViewItem
<<>>
<<>>RO/DI
<<>>These guys have been on eBay for a while and they sell replacement parts and
<<>>filter media.
<<>>
<<>>6 stage 100GPD
<<>>
<<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
<<>>> walmart. Any recommendations?
<<>>>
<<>>> --Kurt
<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[TheRock]

Yikes...sorry to hear about your troubles with them.
I haven't had a problem with mine.

As far as price $35+7.50ship for filter membrane
CASE OF 21 PRE AND POST RO FILTERS FOR $54.99 + 15 ship
CASE OF FOUR (4) 16 OUNCES BAGS OF PUROLITE DI RESIN $39 +12 ship

Great feedback too 99.9% positive.

I still like my purchase.

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Yet another problem or short coming with the Aquya Safe units is till
> you add in the high $30 some dollar shipping costs your already over
> what Filter Direct charges. ....bout $20 in continental USA. The one
> piece DI chamber on the Aqua safe is prone to channeling so yur
> wasting a lot of di resin media as compared to better units that have
> two individual rechargeable carts installed instead of one large cart.
> The both brands holds the same amount of resin contrary to what Aqua
> ZSafe says, with their s supposedly being bigger. Its not true.
> Channeling of di resin is a major problem with large canisters and
> thats what has lead most manufact to go with a smaller rechargeable
> cart so its more effective and eliminates the potential for channeling
> better.
> And with Filterdirects water general they will include what supply
> adapter you need and not charge extra for one thats not in the kit..
> Checkouy how much aqua safe charges for replacement filters and
> membranes and di resin..a lot more money than Filter direct does.
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:13:29 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:
>
> <<>>My system...
> <<>>http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUA-SAFE-AQUARIUM-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WATER-FILTER_W0QQitemZ150072656761QQihZ005QQcategoryZ206 84QQcmdZViewItem
> <<>>
> <<>>RO/DI
> <<>>These guys have been on eBay for a while and they sell replacement
> parts and
> <<>>filter media.
> <<>>
> <<>>6 stage 100GPD
> <<>>
> <<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs
> at
> <<>>> walmart. Any recommendations?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> --Kurt
> <<>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Errol Groff]

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:50:33 -0500, KurtG
> wrote:

>
>I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs at
>walmart. Any recommendations?
>
>--Kurt

Thank you to both Tristan and The Rock for a constructive and CIVIL
discourse on the subject. So often discussions on the Usenet dissolve
into nasty exchanges.

I will be in the market shortly for a RO/DI unit to create water for
an anodizing line I am setting up and your comments have been a great
help.

One comment, Tristan, your posts will benefit greatly (and be much
more readable) if you could run your spell checker before posting.

Errol Groff

Instructor, Manufacturing Technology
H.H. Ellis Technical High School
613 Upper Maple Street
Danielson, CT 06239

New England Model Engineering Society
www.neme-s.org

[KurtG]

Thanks for both of your posts. I think I'm starting to understand these
things.

What about sulfur? We have a ton of this stuff in the water. The
treatment plant reeks of it as they aerate the water to get rid of it.

Where does the junk go? Is there a flush cycle to remove the junk or
does it just get caught in the filters? Do I need to locate it near a
drain?

btw, I did a hydrolysis experiment with my daughter and after a few
days, the water was just unbelievable. I threw it out and used
distilled instead.

--Kurt






TheRock wrote:
> Yikes...sorry to hear about your troubles with them.
> I haven't had a problem with mine.
>
> As far as price $35+7.50ship for filter membrane
> CASE OF 21 PRE AND POST RO FILTERS FOR $54.99 + 15 ship
> CASE OF FOUR (4) 16 OUNCES BAGS OF PUROLITE DI RESIN $39 +12 ship
>
> Great feedback too 99.9% positive.
>
> I still like my purchase.
>
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Yet another problem or short coming with the Aquya Safe units is till
>> you add in the high $30 some dollar shipping costs your already over
>> what Filter Direct charges. ....bout $20 in continental USA. The one
>> piece DI chamber on the Aqua safe is prone to channeling so yur
>> wasting a lot of di resin media as compared to better units that have
>> two individual rechargeable carts installed instead of one large cart.
>> The both brands holds the same amount of resin contrary to what Aqua
>> ZSafe says, with their s supposedly being bigger. Its not true.
>> Channeling of di resin is a major problem with large canisters and
>> thats what has lead most manufact to go with a smaller rechargeable
>> cart so its more effective and eliminates the potential for channeling
>> better.
>> And with Filterdirects water general they will include what supply
>> adapter you need and not charge extra for one thats not in the kit..
>> Checkouy how much aqua safe charges for replacement filters and
>> membranes and di resin..a lot more money than Filter direct does.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:13:29 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:
>>
>> <<>>My system...
>> <<>>http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUA-SAFE-AQUARIUM-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WATER-FILTER_W0QQitemZ150072656761QQihZ005QQcategoryZ206 84QQcmdZViewItem
>> <<>>
>> <<>>RO/DI
>> <<>>These guys have been on eBay for a while and they sell replacement
>> parts and
>> <<>>filter media.
>> <<>>
>> <<>>6 stage 100GPD
>> <<>>
>> <<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <<>>>
>> <<>>> I'm looking into an RO system, so I can give up buying gallon jugs
>> at
>> <<>>> walmart. Any recommendations?
>> <<>>>
>> <<>>> --Kurt
>> <<>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------
>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
>
>

[Pszemol]

"KurtG" > wrote in message ...
> What about sulfur? We have a ton of this stuff in the water. The
> treatment plant reeks of it as they aerate the water to get rid of it.
>
> Where does the junk go? Is there a flush cycle to remove the junk or
> does it just get caught in the filters? Do I need to locate it near a
> drain?

Are you talking about sulfur in tap water or tank water ?

> btw, I did a hydrolysis experiment with my daughter and after a few
> days, the water was just unbelievable. I threw it out and used
> distilled instead.

What is hydrolysis experiment telling you about the water ?
This is only trick a filter salesman does on you to sell you the filter.
It means nothing.

[KurtG]

Pszemol wrote:
> Are you talking about sulfur in tap water or tank water ?

tap water. Reason I ask is that I haven't found sulfur listed on all
the items removed list.

> What is hydrolysis experiment telling you about the water ?
> This is only trick a filter salesman does on you to sell you the filter.
> It means nothing.

It took two days to turn into a sulfurous gel that had dissolved my
wires and alligator clips. :-)

When I repeated the "experiment" with either sea water or distilled
water + table salt, it ran fine.

--Kurt

[Pszemol]

"KurtG" > wrote in message ...
> Pszemol wrote:
>> Are you talking about sulfur in tap water or tank water ?
>
> tap water. Reason I ask is that I haven't found sulfur listed on all
> the items removed list.

Look for sulfate anion.

>> What is hydrolysis experiment telling you about the water ?
>> This is only trick a filter salesman does on you to sell you the filter.
>> It means nothing.
>
> It took two days to turn into a sulfurous gel that had dissolved my
> wires and alligator clips. :-)
>
> When I repeated the "experiment" with either sea water or distilled
> water + table salt, it ran fine.

What area are you taking water from ? Get the water quality report
and see how much of stuff is in your tap water in more reliable way
than guessing from the electrolysis experiment. Here is report for
my area, I use Chicago city water in my suburbs:
http://www.ci.chi.il.us/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_ATTACH/May1005.pdf

[KurtG]

Pszemol wrote:
> What area are you taking water from ?

Municipal water which comes from a well and is aerated to reduce sulfur.
I can't find anything (reports) at the moment, but I remember looking
over such a report. We were above the fed limit for dissolved minerals
and sulfur was far above normal. Sulfur isn't considered harmful to
humans, although it's not very pleasant either. I didn't think much of
it because I already drink bottled water and the wash comes out clean.
:-)

Just a random memory: When I lived in Germany, I remember the older
generation coming to drink out of sulfur springs. Can't argue with
people in their 90's that drink from sulfur springs, but I have to admit
they were a spry and happy lot. Maybe, I should give up the bottled
water and belly to the sink.

Trust me, sulfur is a big deal around these parts. You can ignore my
hydrolysis experiment if you wish, it's just of many indicators.

I still can't find sulfur removal on any RO equipment. Just asking....

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

KurtG wrote on 12/26/2006 9:37 AM:
> btw, I did a hydrolysis experiment with my daughter and after a few
> days, the water was just unbelievable.

LOL I bet it would be :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Wayne Sallee]

>
> I still can't find sulfur removal on any RO equipment. Just asking....
>
> --Kurt
>

Kent Marine publishes sulfide and sulfate removal
information for their RO units. Their Hi-S removes 99-99.5
sulfate, and strangley enough NDA on the sulfite. Hi-S is
their best membrane. For their TFC & HiF, they list 96-98%
sulfate, and 94-96 for sulfite

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Angel deVine]

ley them see what you did to rec.ponds Tristan Roy Hauer and how you
slander people theer.

Tristan wrote:
>
> Yet another problem or short coming with the Aquya Safe units is till

>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!