Swim-bladder infection

[Ross Vandegrift]

Hello all,

Been a while since I posted - got lost in an ISP switch. But
I'm back with a question for you all.

I've got a Serpae Tetra from my 30gallon planted tank that I
noticed was having problems swimming level in the tank. So, I thought,
better isolate him so his infection doesn't spread.

This was three weeks ago or so. He's in isolation, doing fine,
swimming around, but still not able to stay steady. He stays straight,
but it seems like his tail will just float away if he lets it ::-)

I'd like to get him moved back into the tank, since he does seem
kind of stressed in isolation.

What does everything think?


--
Ross Vandegrift


A Pope has a Water Cannon. It is a Water Cannon.
He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses the Hell out of it. It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He has it pierced. It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He makes it official. It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
Batman and Robin arrive. He shoots them.

[Brad]

as long as the other fish in the tank doesn't try to attack it , i'd put it
back in...
don`t want the other fish to stress him out at all.....

Brad..


"Ross Vandegrift" > wrote in message
m...
> Hello all,
>
> Been a while since I posted - got lost in an ISP switch. But
> I'm back with a question for you all.
>
> I've got a Serpae Tetra from my 30gallon planted tank that I
> noticed was having problems swimming level in the tank. So, I thought,
> better isolate him so his infection doesn't spread.
>
> This was three weeks ago or so. He's in isolation, doing fine,
> swimming around, but still not able to stay steady. He stays straight,
> but it seems like his tail will just float away if he lets it ::-)
>
> I'd like to get him moved back into the tank, since he does seem
> kind of stressed in isolation.
>
> What does everything think?
>
>
> --
> Ross Vandegrift
>
>
> A Pope has a Water Cannon. It is a Water
Cannon.
> He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water
Cannon.
> He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water
Cannon.
> He Blesses the Hell out of it. It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water
Cannon.
> He has it pierced. It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water
Cannon.
> He makes it official. It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water
Cannon.
> Batman and Robin arrive. He shoots
them.

[Dick]

On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:14:34 GMT, Ross Vandegrift
> wrote:

>Hello all,
>
> Been a while since I posted - got lost in an ISP switch. But
>I'm back with a question for you all.
>
> I've got a Serpae Tetra from my 30gallon planted tank that I
>noticed was having problems swimming level in the tank. So, I thought,
>better isolate him so his infection doesn't spread.
>
> This was three weeks ago or so. He's in isolation, doing fine,
>swimming around, but still not able to stay steady. He stays straight,
>but it seems like his tail will just float away if he lets it ::-)
>
> I'd like to get him moved back into the tank, since he does seem
>kind of stressed in isolation.
>
> What does everything think?

One of my 11 Serpaes has a similar problem. It swims at a 45 degree
angle. I moved it to my 10 gallon quarantine tank a month ago. My Q
tank is always populated, largely do to a large number of molly fry
which have become molly fish in the last 9 months. I also have a
large female platy that has a tumor behind her right eye. She has
been in the Q tank for about 9 months and then there is my runt Clown
Loach that just seems happy to have his own tank, so to speak.

I conclude that what ever brought on the swim bladder problem is not
contagious. I think of my Q tank as less aggressive and thus more
peaceful to fish that might not feel adequate to their other tanks
environment. Anyway, I am too uncomfortable watching the ailments all
day long. I want to do something for the ailing ones, but found no
way to correct their ailments, so I see them less in the Q tank, they
have less stress and the fish seem content.

I would not suggest not putting your fish in the general population,
competition can be a killer.

[Ross Vandegrift]

On 2004-05-14, Dick > wrote:
> I would not suggest not putting your fish in the general population,
> competition can be a killer.

Competition in the tank she's out of isn't too hardcore - there's a few
large tetras left and a pair of giant danios, but they aren't so bad.
In addition the tank has a fair amount of rocks and driftwood for hiding
places. The serpaes tend to hide anyway - they've always liked the
spots behind the rockwork.

At any rate more time in quarantine probably won't hurt at all, so I'm
better off safe than sorry. I'm really more concerned about infecting
the rest of the tank. It's good to hear someone else say they've seen a
serpae that seems to have terminal, but non-infectious swim bladder
issues.


--
Ross Vandegrift


A Pope has a Water Cannon. It is a Water Cannon.
He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses the Hell out of it. It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He has it pierced. It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He makes it official. It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
Batman and Robin arrive. He shoots them.

[NetMax]

"Ross Vandegrift" > wrote in message
m...
> On 2004-05-14, Dick > wrote:
> > I would not suggest not putting your fish in the general population,
> > competition can be a killer.
>
> Competition in the tank she's out of isn't too hardcore - there's a few
> large tetras left and a pair of giant danios, but they aren't so bad.
> In addition the tank has a fair amount of rocks and driftwood for
hiding
> places. The serpaes tend to hide anyway - they've always liked the
> spots behind the rockwork.
>
> At any rate more time in quarantine probably won't hurt at all, so I'm
> better off safe than sorry. I'm really more concerned about infecting
> the rest of the tank. It's good to hear someone else say they've seen
a
> serpae that seems to have terminal, but non-infectious swim bladder
> issues.
>
>
> --
> Ross Vandegrift
>


Hi Ross. There are diseases which are not extremely contagious while the
fish is alive and well. Some diseases spread by ingestion, or by
bursting into the water column when the dead fish's skin is broken open.
As the disease grows inside them, the amount of contagion which is
finally released is much greater, or it might start seeping from them
before they die. This is why I think it's so important to isolate sick
fish and keep them isolated. It's easier to think of all fish diseases
as contagious. Just think about how all the fish in your aquarium are
interconnected by a fluid (water) which is approximately the same pH and
temperature as their blood. That makes it pretty easy for diseases to
spread around.

External parasitic conditions are not as worrisome if they are a type
which can be identified and easily treated. Genetic defects (like swim
bladder problems in Goldfish) are not contagious. I also don't worry too
much about war wounds and mechanical damage. If there is a secondary
infection from that, it's usually fungus which is everywhere, though if I
want to concentrate the treatment, then they go into isolation. However,
internal problems are often bacterial, and even if parasitic, I don't
want them getting out. ymmv, jmo
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Dick]

On Sat, 15 May 2004 21:23:21 -0400, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>
>Hi Ross. There are diseases which are not extremely contagious while the
>fish is alive and well. Some diseases spread by ingestion, or by
>bursting into the water column when the dead fish's skin is broken open.
>As the disease grows inside them, the amount of contagion which is
>finally released is much greater, or it might start seeping from them
>before they die. This is why I think it's so important to isolate sick
>fish and keep them isolated. It's easier to think of all fish diseases
>as contagious. Just think about how all the fish in your aquarium are
>interconnected by a fluid (water) which is approximately the same pH and
>temperature as their blood. That makes it pretty easy for diseases to
>spread around.
>
>External parasitic conditions are not as worrisome if they are a type
>which can be identified and easily treated. Genetic defects (like swim
>bladder problems in Goldfish) are not contagious. I also don't worry too
>much about war wounds and mechanical damage. If there is a secondary
>infection from that, it's usually fungus which is everywhere, though if I
>want to concentrate the treatment, then they go into isolation. However,
>internal problems are often bacterial, and even if parasitic, I don't
>want them getting out. ymmv, jmo
>--
>www.NetMax.tk
>

Your analysis makes sense and I have little experience, but the fish I
keep in my Q tank have not picked up anything from the few fish that
died in that same tank. However, I usually keep a fish in the Q tank
once moved there. Yesterday, I moved my runt Clown Loach back to the
tank he made caves in. It is loaded with small snails. I hope he
doesn't over eat. He sure remembers the tank. He went around and
around the rocks under which he had made his cave. It is totally
gone. I did take sympathy on him and move a castle like ornament from
the Q tank. It is his favorite haunt. He took to that very quickly.