100% water change after about 4½ months??

[JB]

I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in length
for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when I did my
50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had some
dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the 50%
remaining water..

My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water and
replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few hours
before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble stone to
introduce more Oxygen into my tank...

Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the way??

PS.. My fish have had about 17 fry in the past few weeks that I have in
a breeding net...

[carlrs]

JB wrote:
> I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in length
> for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when I did my
> 50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had some
> dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the 50%
> remaining water..
>
> My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
> and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
> that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water and
> replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few hours
> before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble stone to
> introduce more Oxygen into my tank...
>
> Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the way??
>
> PS.. My fish have had about 17 fry in the past few weeks that I have in
> a breeding net...

I recommend efficient small more frequent water changes using a gravel
vacuum in careful patterns in your substrate, generally around 20-30%.
As for debris, you should have debris in your cleaning bucket after a
cleaning.

What is borderline pH? I recommend a pH over 7.5 for swords, but often
too much emphasis is given to pH and not enough to other water
parameters. Your ammonia and nitrites should be 0, your nitrates should
be under 40 ppm, and your kH should be 160 or higher, and your Redox
-300 mV.
Often kH is forgotten for many fish, but I have through my work and
research that the kH is more important than many realize. The calcium
supplied via proper kH management (not the old baking soda method) is
essential for ALL fish.
For more about this subject:
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/AquariumKH.html

As for the added bubble stone, that is a good idea.
But it sounds like your aquarium is under filtered. What are your
filter(s)?
Not all filters are equal and some are better than others in one area
and worse in others (example: a HOB is generally a better mechanical
filter than a sponge filter, but a quality sponge filter is generally
superior to an HOB filter for bio filtration).

Carl
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Information.html

[default]

What Carl said but I'd like to stress the filter situation. If/when you
do this major cleaning, leave the filter alone. Don't clean it at the
same time you clean everything else. There is a colony of bacteria
growing on everything and hopefully a super colony growing in your
filter media. Wipe out the entire civilization of bacteria and all your
fish will die within a week from ammonia poisining.

steve

[nut]

JB wrote:
> I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in length
> for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when I did my
> 50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had some
> dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the 50%
> remaining water..

You really should change water more frequently.

The dirt/debris at the bottom of the bucket isn't anything to worry about...
it was in there before you did the water change, you merely put it back.

> My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
> and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
> that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water and
> replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few hours
> before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble stone to
> introduce more Oxygen into my tank...

They said you should do this all at once?

I'd recommend removing the ornaments and cleaning one by one, then hoovering
the gravel while you do a 50% water change.

Then do the same again a week later... then the week after that.

Leave a bucket of water out overnight to dechlorinate so you don't have to
add any dechlorinating chemicals.

> Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the way??

I hope all fishkeepers have done this before... I do it fortnightly... so
should you.



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[JB]

nut wrote:
> JB wrote:
> > I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in length
> > for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when I did my
> > 50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had some
> > dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the 50%
> > remaining water..
>
> You really should change water more frequently.
>
> The dirt/debris at the bottom of the bucket isn't anything to worry about....
> it was in there before you did the water change, you merely put it back.
>
> > My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
> > and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
> > that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water and
> > replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few hours
> > before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble stone to
> > introduce more Oxygen into my tank...
>
> They said you should do this all at once?
>
> I'd recommend removing the ornaments and cleaning one by one, then hoovering
> the gravel while you do a 50% water change.
>
> Then do the same again a week later... then the week after that.
>
> Leave a bucket of water out overnight to dechlorinate so you don't have to
> add any dechlorinating chemicals.
>
> > Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the way??
>
> I hope all fishkeepers have done this before... I do it fortnightly... so
> should you.
>
>
>
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I'm using a Whisper Filter with the carbon in the filter cartridge ...
Also, should I remove my fish when trying to take out the decor to
clean, or leave them in?.. Also, should I just filter water before
adding more, or just add my water treatment chemical?...

[carlrs]

JB wrote:
> nut wrote:
> > JB wrote:
> > > I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in length
> > > for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when I did my
> > > 50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had some
> > > dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the 50%
> > > remaining water..
> >
> > You really should change water more frequently.
> >
> > The dirt/debris at the bottom of the bucket isn't anything to worry about...
> > it was in there before you did the water change, you merely put it back.
> >
> > > My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
> > > and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
> > > that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water and
> > > replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few hours
> > > before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble stone to
> > > introduce more Oxygen into my tank...
> >
> > They said you should do this all at once?
> >
> > I'd recommend removing the ornaments and cleaning one by one, then hoovering
> > the gravel while you do a 50% water change.
> >
> > Then do the same again a week later... then the week after that.
> >
> > Leave a bucket of water out overnight to dechlorinate so you don't have to
> > add any dechlorinating chemicals.
> >
> > > Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the way??
> >
> > I hope all fishkeepers have done this before... I do it fortnightly... so
> > should you.
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> I'm using a Whisper Filter with the carbon in the filter cartridge ...
> Also, should I remove my fish when trying to take out the decor to
> clean, or leave them in?.. Also, should I just filter water before
> adding more, or just add my water treatment chemical?...

I leave my fish in to avoid extra stress, then add the new water
slowly, de-chlorinating it prior or during addition of the water
(de-chlorinators are instant).

As default stated and clarified better than me is to not over clean
your media in your filter.
With Whisper filters you can remove the old carbon from the filter "Bio
Bag" and add it to your new cartridge to seed it. Also I often use
sponge pre filters (such as the Filter Max) on my HOB filters to add to
bio filtration and add a margin of safety when you change cartridges,
this also helps with the bio weakness of this filter. The addtion of
the air stone will aid in circulation. But an additional filter will
help even more.

You can clean your whole cartridge or a filter sponge by using used
aquarium water from a water change and squeeze the sponge or swish the
filter cartridge several times until nothing more is expelled form the
filter media. You also may use de-chlorinated tap water or well water
(without added chemicals) for rinsing your filter media. I often will
use both methods and I will use the de-chlorinated tap water for the
final rinses until the rinse water in no longer dirty.

Try and correct all your water parameters too.

Carl
More about sponge filtration, including pre filters.:
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/sponge_filtration.html

[nut]

JB wrote:
> nut wrote:
>> JB wrote:
>>> I have had a 10 gallon tank with 3 adult sword tail fish 2" in
>>> length for about 4½ months.. the water is really dirty because when
>>> I did my 50% change as recommended by Tetra, my plastic bucket had
>>> some dirt/debree in it that I didn't spot until after I added the
>>> 50% remaining water..
>>
>> You really should change water more frequently.
>>
>> The dirt/debris at the bottom of the bucket isn't anything to worry
>> about... it was in there before you did the water change, you merely
>> put it back.
>>
>>> My test kit shows medium water hardness, borderline Nitrate/Nitrate,
>>> and border line unsafe PH.. I was told at my recent visit to Petco,
>>> that I should completely drain my tank, clean all decor with water
>>> and replace all water with filtered water and let sit for a few
>>> hours before re-adding my fish.. Also they recommended a bubble
>>> stone to introduce more Oxygen into my tank...
>>
>> They said you should do this all at once?
>>
>> I'd recommend removing the ornaments and cleaning one by one, then
>> hoovering the gravel while you do a 50% water change.
>>
>> Then do the same again a week later... then the week after that.
>>
>> Leave a bucket of water out overnight to dechlorinate so you don't
>> have to add any dechlorinating chemicals.
>>
>>> Has anyone done this before, and any tips, etc to help along the
>>> way??
>>
>> I hope all fishkeepers have done this before... I do it
>> fortnightly... so should you.
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> I'm using a Whisper Filter with the carbon in the filter cartridge ...
> Also, should I remove my fish when trying to take out the decor to
> clean, or leave them in?.. Also, should I just filter water before
> adding more, or just add my water treatment chemical?...

The carbon is worthless after a month or two it's no longer "active"...
replace it for the white sponge stuff.

Always leave the fish in.

Fill a bucket of tap water and leave it overnight.

Siphon a bucket-full of water out, disturbing the gravel as you do so... try
and suck up as much of the crap from the gravel as possible. Don't worry
about the water going cloudy.

If you haven't siphoned before, treat yourself to a gravel pump... they're
very cheap. they're shaped like this:

\__ ___/
¦ ¦
¦ ¦

Then fill the tank back up with the bucket water... don't worry about
creating bubbles... it oxygenates the water and the fish like it....
assuming the bucket has been sitting next to the tank overnight the
temperature difference is only slight.

Don't use any water treatment... so long as the bucket has been sitting
overnight all the chlorine in the water will have evaporated.

On a 10G tank you can do a 30% (3G bucket) water change every fortnight
quite easily and the fish will love you for it... even monthly will be ok
(although your filter is crap) ... just don't leave it so long this time...
get into the routine of leaving a bucket out on a friday night and it'll all
fall into place.

Replace the white spongy stuff every two months, but leave half of it in.
Alternatively, wash it out with TANK water... but don't use tap water as the
chlorine will kill the friendly bacteria.

It's the friendly bacteria which has kept your swordtails alive.



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[Gill Passman]

nut wrote:



>
> Don't use any water treatment... so long as the bucket has been sitting
> overnight all the chlorine in the water will have evaporated.
>
Although it is true that Chlorine will disapate naturally if water is
left to stand the same is not true of chloramines. If you water company
uses chloramines in your water it is essential that you use a suitable
water conditioner before adding the water into your tank. Personally, I
use it even though, at the moment, my Water Company does not use
chloramines as I prefer to be able to get the water change task done as
efficiently as possible without having buckets of water hanging around
overnight - but then I have 6 tanks - and the number of buckets required
for a water change on a 130g tank make this quite impractical....also
without checking my water company's website each time I change the water
I never know if they might have changed their policy on adding
chloramines....

Gill

[nut]

Gill Passman wrote:
> nut wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> Don't use any water treatment... so long as the bucket has been
>> sitting overnight all the chlorine in the water will have evaporated.
>>
> Although it is true that Chlorine will disapate naturally if water is
> left to stand the same is not true of chloramines. If you water
> company uses chloramines in your water it is essential that you use a
> suitable water conditioner before adding the water into your tank.
> Personally, I use it even though, at the moment, my Water Company
> does not use chloramines as I prefer to be able to get the water
> change task done as efficiently as possible without having buckets of
> water hanging around overnight - but then I have 6 tanks - and the
> number of buckets required for a water change on a 130g tank make
> this quite impractical....also without checking my water company's
> website each time I change the water I never know if they might have
> changed their policy on adding chloramines....

Thanks for the info Gill... i was unaware of this.



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[Tristan]

I sure am not a big fan of having to buy chemicals to get rid of
chlorine either. I add chemical chlorine remover only in a dire
emergency other than that I set water out in 5 gal buckets or use
water out of the bank of tanks that we have setup and running without
any fish in them. Its a constant supply of good water. 24 hours in an
open container will remove the chlorine, however as other pointe dout
cloramines need chemical remover to get rid of them. They will not
dissapate like chlorine will. Luckily the water company here does not
use cloramines.

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:17:15 -0000, "nut"
> wrote:

<<>>Gill Passman wrote:
<<>>> nut wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Don't use any water treatment... so long as the bucket has been
<<>>>> sitting overnight all the chlorine in the water will have evaporated.
<<>>>>
<<>>> Although it is true that Chlorine will disapate naturally if water is
<<>>> left to stand the same is not true of chloramines. If you water
<<>>> company uses chloramines in your water it is essential that you use a
<<>>> suitable water conditioner before adding the water into your tank.
<<>>> Personally, I use it even though, at the moment, my Water Company
<<>>> does not use chloramines as I prefer to be able to get the water
<<>>> change task done as efficiently as possible without having buckets of
<<>>> water hanging around overnight - but then I have 6 tanks - and the
<<>>> number of buckets required for a water change on a 130g tank make
<<>>> this quite impractical....also without checking my water company's
<<>>> website each time I change the water I never know if they might have
<<>>> changed their policy on adding chloramines....
<<>>
<<>>Thanks for the info Gill... i was unaware of this.



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[carlrs]

Gill Passman wrote:
> nut wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > Don't use any water treatment... so long as the bucket has been sitting
> > overnight all the chlorine in the water will have evaporated.
> >
> Although it is true that Chlorine will disapate naturally if water is
> left to stand the same is not true of chloramines. If you water company
> uses chloramines in your water it is essential that you use a suitable
> water conditioner before adding the water into your tank. Personally, I
> use it even though, at the moment, my Water Company does not use
> chloramines as I prefer to be able to get the water change task done as
> efficiently as possible without having buckets of water hanging around
> overnight - but then I have 6 tanks - and the number of buckets required
> for a water change on a 130g tank make this quite impractical....also
> without checking my water company's website each time I change the water
> I never know if they might have changed their policy on adding
> chloramines....
>
> Gill

That is an excellent point Gill!!

I am no longer in So Cal, but many water districts down there
(especially) in San Diego use chloramines for city water as they are
much more stable than chlorine, and much of the water in these places
is transported greater distances and stored longer before use.
I would use products such as Prime that removed the chlorine then
neutralized the ammonia by changing the ammonia from NH4 to NH3
(chloramines are chlorine bonded to ammonia), the NH3 is much less
toxic. Standard chlorine removing products will still break the
chlorine from the ammonia and remove the chlorine, but they leave the
ammonia in tact for your bio filter to deal with.
I understand not wanting to add chemicals to remove chlorine, but most
standard chlorine removers are simply Sodium Thiosulfate a relatively
harmless Reducing agent that is safely over dosed (of coarse in with in
reason).

Carl

[Gill Passman]

The other thing I forgot to add is that some water also contains heavy
metals that can also be neutralised by the addition of a water
conditioner....When chosing a water conditioner it is good to check that
it has chlorine, chloramines and heavy metals covered - not all do (or
so I've heard) - a lot of conditioners also contain other stuff which
claim to benefit/promote fish health - don't know if they do or not....

Gill

[Tristan]

I do not know about the UK, but here in this state they are required
to send out a report of the drinking water parameters quarterly with
all levels of whatever is found in it, as well as what is used or what
problems they encountered with any water supply sources. The also
tellyou from what source the water is being pulled fron, as there are
a few different sources (mainly deep wells or aquifiers) that are used
and on occassion they sometimes pull water from another water
company.

So its easy to see what the water we get has in it, and what levels
are found. Phospates and nitrates are not all that common in this
region as compared to some. When I lived up north heavy metals were a
problem, and lots of locations had high iron contents. Here its almost
non-existent....

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:57:22 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>The other thing I forgot to add is that some water also contains heavy
<<>>metals that can also be neutralised by the addition of a water
<<>>conditioner....When chosing a water conditioner it is good to check that
<<>>it has chlorine, chloramines and heavy metals covered - not all do (or
<<>>so I've heard) - a lot of conditioners also contain other stuff which
<<>>claim to benefit/promote fish health - don't know if they do or not....
<<>>
<<>>Gill



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[carlrs]

Tristan wrote:
> I do not know about the UK, but here in this state they are required
> to send out a report of the drinking water parameters quarterly with
> all levels of whatever is found in it, as well as what is used or what
> problems they encountered with any water supply sources. The also
> tellyou from what source the water is being pulled fron, as there are
> a few different sources (mainly deep wells or aquifiers) that are used
> and on occassion they sometimes pull water from another water
> company.
>
> So its easy to see what the water we get has in it, and what levels
> are found. Phospates and nitrates are not all that common in this
> region as compared to some. When I lived up north heavy metals were a
> problem, and lots of locations had high iron contents. Here its almost
> non-existent....
>
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:57:22 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>The other thing I forgot to add is that some water also contains heavy
> <<>>metals that can also be neutralised by the addition of a water
> <<>>conditioner....When chosing a water conditioner it is good to check that
> <<>>it has chlorine, chloramines and heavy metals covered - not all do (or
> <<>>so I've heard) - a lot of conditioners also contain other stuff which
> <<>>claim to benefit/promote fish health - don't know if they do or not....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
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Here is a list of US Government standards for water, I often have
tested Nitrates above 25 ppm which this report shows a dangerous to
infants.
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html

Carl

[Gill Passman]

Tristan wrote:
> I do not know about the UK, but here in this state they are required
> to send out a report of the drinking water parameters quarterly with
> all levels of whatever is found in it, as well as what is used or what
> problems they encountered with any water supply sources. The also
> tellyou from what source the water is being pulled fron, as there are
> a few different sources (mainly deep wells or aquifiers) that are used
> and on occassion they sometimes pull water from another water
> company.

As far as the UK is concerned (and I'm aware) this information is
available mainly on the Water Company's website - it is not sent out to
consumers unless they request it....this might just be my water provider
though and not a general UK thing. I'm also not sure of the frequency of
the analysis - The last report I can find published for my area on
Drinking Water Quality is for 2005....

So I reckon I'll work on the better safe than sorry approach - even if
stuff does not appear in the report it doesn't mean that there might not
be the odd mishap and a bottle of water conditioner is an awful lot
cheaper than replacing all my livestock....

Gill

[carlrs]

Gill Passman wrote:
> Tristan wrote:
> > I do not know about the UK, but here in this state they are required
> > to send out a report of the drinking water parameters quarterly with
> > all levels of whatever is found in it, as well as what is used or what
> > problems they encountered with any water supply sources. The also
> > tellyou from what source the water is being pulled fron, as there are
> > a few different sources (mainly deep wells or aquifiers) that are used
> > and on occassion they sometimes pull water from another water
> > company.
>
> As far as the UK is concerned (and I'm aware) this information is
> available mainly on the Water Company's website - it is not sent out to
> consumers unless they request it....this might just be my water provider
> though and not a general UK thing. I'm also not sure of the frequency of
> the analysis - The last report I can find published for my area on
> Drinking Water Quality is for 2005....
>
> So I reckon I'll work on the better safe than sorry approach - even if
> stuff does not appear in the report it doesn't mean that there might not
> be the odd mishap and a bottle of water conditioner is an awful lot
> cheaper than replacing all my livestock....
>
> Gill

I also have more information about tap water in this blog post:
http://aquarium-answers.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-should-i-know-about-tap-water-for.html

Carl

[JB]

Thanks for all the help.. I feel much more knowledgeable about my
aquarium since the first post..

One more thing is I have this grey/white goop inside my filter case and
didn't know what it may be..

[Zebulon]

"JB" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Thanks for all the help.. I feel much more knowledgeable about my
> aquarium since the first post..
>
> One more thing is I have this grey/white goop inside my filter case and
> didn't know what it may be..
=====================
A bacterial film?
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[swarvegorilla]

"Zëbulon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JB" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Thanks for all the help.. I feel much more knowledgeable about my
>> aquarium since the first post..
>>
>> One more thing is I have this grey/white goop inside my filter case and
>> didn't know what it may be..
> =====================
> A bacterial film?

if so
look after it
and it will look after ya fish
tis all about growin the poo eatin bacteria hey

[Zebulon]

"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zëbulon" > wrote in message
>> A bacterial film?
>
> if so
> look after it
> and it will look after ya fish
> tis all about growin the poo eatin bacteria hey
===========================
I'm sure it's a bacterial film. It lines all my Aquaclears. I just rinse out
and visible crud and leave the film.
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[Tristan]

I am sure its some venereal disease that Carol brought home and
transfered to the tanks when she brushed her teeth in them, and washer
her laundry inthem.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:41:25 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> "Zëbulon" > wrote in message
<<>>>> A bacterial film?
<<>>>
<<>>> if so
<<>>> look after it
<<>>> and it will look after ya fish
<<>>> tis all about growin the poo eatin bacteria hey
<<>>===========================
<<>>I'm sure it's a bacterial film. It lines all my Aquaclears. I just rinse out
<<>>and visible crud and leave the film.



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[swarvegorilla]

Dammit Carol I want to meet you woman.
Sounds like ya have some new tactics going.
Do you notice a growth spurt in the plant tanks you are washing clothes in?
Do the false teeth effect the waters pH?
Kudo's!!


"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>I am sure its some venereal disease that Carol brought home and
> transfered to the tanks when she brushed her teeth in them, and washer
> her laundry inthem.
>
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:41:25 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> "Zëbulon" > wrote in message
> <<>>>> A bacterial film?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> if so
> <<>>> look after it
> <<>>> and it will look after ya fish
> <<>>> tis all about growin the poo eatin bacteria hey
> <<>>===========================
> <<>>I'm sure it's a bacterial film. It lines all my Aquaclears. I just
> rinse out
> <<>>and visible crud and leave the film.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> Dammit Carol I want to meet you woman.
> Sounds like ya have some new tactics going.

LOL!!! They're all in Tristan's mind. :-D

> Do you notice a growth spurt in the plant tanks you are washing clothes
> in?

Well yeah, I admit the plants put out a real growth spurt but the soap and
bleach kills all the fish. :þ ~

> Do the false teeth effect the waters pH?
> Kudo's!!

ROFLMAO!!!! :-D
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[Tristan]

She is too busy working the corners of dark alleys after dark and
trolling the numerous groups on usenet to take on a steady paying
customer. She thrives by attention paid to her by multitudes of
sheeple.

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:46:07 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> Dammit Carol I want to meet you woman.
<<>>> Sounds like ya have some new tactics going.
<<>>
<<>>LOL!!! They're all in Tristan's mind. :-D
<<>>
<<>>> Do you notice a growth spurt in the plant tanks you are washing clothes
<<>>> in?
<<>>
<<>>Well yeah, I admit the plants put out a real growth spurt but the soap and
<<>>bleach kills all the fish. :þ ~
<<>>
<<>>> Do the false teeth effect the waters pH?
<<>>> Kudo's!!
<<>>
<<>>ROFLMAO!!!! :-D



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 3, 2:46?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
*Off topic*

Got a Q for you Carol.
Who's Uncle Zed?
Would that be you? How many others are there of you?
Quite an odd list of places and names are listed in your profile (next
to your screen name).
One has to click on a name's profile to see if it brings you to the
same profile, but it's not hard.
Me...I'm just me. I have no alternates. I have no need for them.

[Tristan]

Well I am not Carol Gulley, thanks be to god, but last year there wa
list that was the gods honest truth that numbere din excess of 900
user id's that were able to be traced back directly to Carol Gulley
that she used between the year beofre last and last year..... A google
search will find it.......Here is a newsgroup of some of the later
names within the last two or so months she is know to use and this
list is not even close to being up todate. Her only reason to use so
many user id's is to evade kill filters. She loves to pi$$ of folks,
agitate them then run and hide...only to surface yet again with a new
nym and sock suport and then hold conversations with her self, usually
all in defense of what she does. A real lunatic......ONly one real
friend that carol has is Ed Alston, who often uses no user id, and
leaves it blank, or uses the user name of Legion from time to time. Ed
is a classic lunatic for sure. Tried his best to take aone way bus
ride (suicide) but was too cheap to buy a rope or a bullet and was
afraid drugs or gas would not do it fully.....so he is a real puss
case......alt.suicide and a search of -ED will show his story.

Some more currently in use user id's of carols:

http://groups.google.com/group/carol-gulley-attention-whore?lnk=srg

And trhewn this is the group Carol has created with Ed Alston as a
comeback but 99% of all folks know what posts she has psted there are
nothig but faked and forged and altered posts, which are easy to check
out but its not worth the time involved.

http://groups.google.com/group/RoyHauerAttentionWhore/topics?_done=%2Fgroup%2FRoyHauerAttentionWhore%2Ft opics
Of course she is going to throw up this link on me, which is nothign
more than a collection of forged and transposed posts she and ed made
and posted to various groups trying to say that I made them or what
ever lame assed idea she and ed has come up with, but the link to her
nyms is easily verified without having to dig back through tons of
posts to foind the original unforged and altered post as she and ed
has made about others .

On 3 Feb 2007 14:48:18 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Feb 3, 2:46?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>*Off topic*
<<>>
<<>>Got a Q for you Carol.
<<>>Who's Uncle Zed?
<<>>Would that be you? How many others are there of you?
<<>>Quite an odd list of places and names are listed in your profile (next
<<>>to your screen name).
<<>>One has to click on a name's profile to see if it brings you to the
<<>>same profile, but it's not hard.
<<>>Me...I'm just me. I have no alternates. I have no need for them.
<<>>



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