carp/koi in a tank?

[phuile]

I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?

I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
shui tank ... does anyone know?

Thanks for any help!

[Tristan]

NO..they are not meant to be in a 0 gal tank. They grow fast, and in
short order will outgrow a 10 gal tank, espeically 3 of them. Koi and
most goldies belong in large containers of water re PONDS

On 11 Jan 2007 23:48:39 -0800, "phuile" > wrote:

<<>>I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
<<>>putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
<<>>3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?
<<>>
<<>>I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
<<>>shui tank ... does anyone know?
<<>>
<<>>Thanks for any help!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"phuile" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
> putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
> 3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?

What will you do with them in a few months when they outgrow your small
tank? Please by pass goldfish and koi and stick with smaller fish. :-)

> I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
> shui tank ... does anyone know?

Yes, I raise both. Koi and goldfish are too fast growing and too large to
keep in such a small tank.


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strictly for ponds. each koi need around 100 gallons each, with a minimum of 500
gallons. koi get to be 36" long. Ingrid

"phuile" > wrote:

>I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
>putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
>3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?
>
>I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
>shui tank ... does anyone know?
>
>Thanks for any help!



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[phuile]

ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum
I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.

Thanks!

Zëbulon wrote:
> "phuile" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
> > putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
> > 3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?
>
> What will you do with them in a few months when they outgrow your small
> tank? Please by pass goldfish and koi and stick with smaller fish. :-)
>
> > I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
> > shui tank ... does anyone know?
>
> Yes, I raise both. Koi and goldfish are too fast growing and too large to
> keep in such a small tank.
>
>
> --
> ZB....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> rec.ponder since late 1996.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Zebulon]

"phuile" > wrote in message
oups.com...
ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum
I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.
=====================
Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help you
with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric system
either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for
smaller tanks.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Gill Passman]

phuile wrote:
> ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
> seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
> put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
> somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum
> I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.
>
> Thanks!
>

OK Im not a great feng shui expert.....my only exposure having been
minimal but if I understand the concept that the whole idea is about
creating balance and harmony and peace.....so puttting inappropriate
fish for the environment will negate this instantly......so you are
looking at creating the correct environment for your livestock, that is
peaceful and gives the right vibes/karma - am I right or wrong....stop
me here if I am off track.....

The goldfish/koi will not work but small tropicals might well
work....you will need a heater though to get the conditions
right....this can easily be hidden by clever planting.....now I would
say one of the best tanks that I have is a small 5 gall tank that is
lush with greenery and houses some tropical cherry barbs and shrimps -
all in that tank is balanced, peaceful and is a pleasure to look
at....if I was an advocate of feng shui then I would say that it has
been reached in this one small tank.....but JMO and I know very little
about the concept of feng shui

Gill

[Tristan]

hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley
aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is
some kind of fang dangled feminine problem.........


On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:52:56 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"phuile" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<<>>ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
<<>>seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
<<>>put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
<<>>somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum
<<>>I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.
<<>>=====================
<<>>Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help you
<<>>with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric system
<<>>either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for
<<>>smaller tanks.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[\\]

Tristan aka Roy Hauer destroys another NG. Please people, don't feed this
troll.

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...

Tristan aka Roy Hauer is here to destroy another NG. See what he did to
rec.ponds. Please people, don't feed this troll.

Now.... down the sewer with him................

FLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley
> aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is
> some kind of fang dangled feminine problem.........
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:52:56 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"phuile" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> <<>>ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
> <<>>seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
> <<>>put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
> <<>>somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only
> forum
> <<>>I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.
> <<>>=====================
> <<>>Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help
> you
> <<>>with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric
> system
> <<>>either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for
> <<>>smaller tanks.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gilbert]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
Give i t up Roy "TRistan" Hauer.........your a daya late and a dollar short
plus your a bigger dumbass whithout a clue who is pronbe to telling lies or
ad
libbing or lieing about what you post since its always phlagarized sp? Your
trolling is getting old and as you can see.... no one cares.........

>
> hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley
> aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is
> some kind of fang dangled feminine problem.........
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:52:56 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"phuile" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> <<>>ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You
> <<>>seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I
> <<>>put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or
> <<>>somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only
forum
> <<>>I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk.
> <<>>=====================
> <<>>Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help
you
> <<>>with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric
system
> <<>>either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for
> <<>>smaller tanks.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[[email protected]]

phuile wrote:
> I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of
> putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to
> 3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds?
>
> I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng
> shui tank ... does anyone know?
>
> Thanks for any help!


Hey Phuile,

Good Feng Shui involves keeping bright, preferably orange, fish in
multiples of three. Ideal also to keep one which is black, said to
absorb negative energies. As two gold fish is hardly likely to add much
energy to a space, it is recommended to keep eight all-gold fish and
one black moore, as black as possible. This is thought to be best to
attract wealth especially if kept in the left hand corner of a room as
viewed from the entrance.

Obviously your tank is way too small to keep this many goldfish or koi.
Koi make excellent aquarium fish and like many species, their true size
can be stunted by the amount of water they are kept in and the number
of fish they are kept with, but this is only true to a degree and
ultimately they will outgrow the tank or stress out and die - although
a way to "cheat" the amount of water they are kept in is to actually
change about a quarter or so every day, which will give the fish the
illusion of living in a larger body of water even though they are only
living in a small amount of it at any one time, like a fish living in a
small pool of a larger stream.

I would recommend keeping Platys. These are small, brightly coloured,
hardy, live-bearers, and keeping nine in a small aquarium would be no
problem, and the colours fit well with the feng-shui guidelines.
Alternatively, you could keep small goldfish and remove the larger ones
as they get too big to stock a pond, or swap in an aquarium for smaller
goldfish, which most shops are more than happy to do. A small amount of
sea-salt in their water will assist to keep parasites and diseases
away, and is very beneficial for all hard-water species such as
goldfish, koi, platies and guppies. Though there is much debate about
this, consider just how many dissolved minerals are in most creeks and
streams where these fish live naturally, and how much is actually in
salt-water, and you will realise that one teaspoon per ten litres is
not very much salt at all. Too much, however, will stunt plant growth,
and there is nothing more pleasing, feng-shui speaking, than bright
orange fish swimming amongst lush green plants.

[phuile]

Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one
black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't
have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization,
I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the
question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do
they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can
be.

Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the
black fish do you think?

[[email protected]]

On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, "phuile" > wrote:
> Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one
> black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't
> have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization,
> I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the
> question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do
> they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can
> be.
>
> Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the
> black fish do you think?

I've always viewed catfish as "extras" which help keep the glass clean,
but don't really count as one of the energisers of a space such as an
aquarium. Platies do indeed come in orange, and I would recommend a
black molly if not for the fact they can be too agressive. Try and get
a female if you go down that path. The darkest of platies are generally
blue in colour, but if you ever find a black strain, let me know and
I'll make sure we keep the species going.

There's no reason why a small black moore can't be used as the ninth
member in a feng shui tank. Just remember not to buy it from a place
that has diseased fish. Pet shops are notorious for passing on fish
diseases. Ask them about their quarantine room. If they don't have one,
you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop.
Never again.

[Gill Passman]

Yes you can get orange platys....most common colour that I have
seen....and you can get all sorts of hues....my current fav is the
sunset platy which is pale orange body and bright orange tail....you can
also get wagtails - bright orange body and black tails.....in fact the
number of colour morphs is quite considerable - I got given a free book
on Platys the other day coz I spent more than £10 on buying some and
they have a picture of some amazing vibrant blue platys - never seen
them myself but they obviously are out there somewhere....

For black you could always add a Mollie if you are going tropical with
the platys.....there are a number of varieties...right now I'm quite
keen on the lyretails but as with the platys there is a lot of choice
out there....

yes, Ottos will consume some algae but so will amano shrimps and it
could well be that these might give you your required balance rather
than additional fish.....Ottos are delicate and IME don't take to any
other food once the algae has gone.....amano shrimps IME have always
been far more adaptable.....but they do cost (as a warning)....BTW Ottos
are more brownish than black if colour is your consideration

Gill

[phuile]

Gee ... thanks for all the suggestions. I've never consider mollies
but will take a look. I've black moores before but they tend to grow
big as goldfish, so I am not too sure. But I will go with some
platies. I hope they will be happy! I still have a question concerning
filter but I will start a new thread for that.
Thanks!

[swarvegorilla]

"phuile" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Gee ... thanks for all the suggestions. I've never consider mollies
> but will take a look. I've black moores before but they tend to grow
> big as goldfish, so I am not too sure. But I will go with some
> platies. I hope they will be happy! I still have a question concerning
> filter but I will start a new thread for that.
> Thanks!
>

actually for a black live bearer
ya can't go past the new swordtails
they really are very very goochy indeed
As to Byron Pets being a bad shop
I couldn't disagree more
Always looked after me
and by far the best in the area.

I'm a fussy customer too!
Anyone who is willing
to order me in obscure wild caughts
or selectively get me an awesome full size panda oranda
is always gonna be in my good books.

Maybe Mr Frankfurter needs to get some skills
because Byron Pets has had the best rep in the area for a long time now!
I should know I used to work there!
And I don't just work in any old shop
They have to put the fish first
:)
Your remarks are pure defamation
and it doesn't take much to neo-trace you back to Bangalow.
Seems someone is violating the conditions of a court finding.

Swarvegorilla

[[email protected]]

On Jan 27, 11:17 am, wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, "phuile" > wrote:
>
> > Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one
> > black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't
> > have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization,
> > I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the
> > question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do
> > they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can
> > be.
>
> > Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the
> > black fish do you think?
>
> I've always viewed catfish as "extras" which help keep the glass clean,
> but don't really count as one of the energisers of a space such as an
> aquarium. Platies do indeed come in orange, and I would recommend a
> black molly if not for the fact they can be too agressive. Try and get
> a female if you go down that path. The darkest of platies are generally
> blue in colour, but if you ever find a black strain, let me know and
> I'll make sure we keep the species going.
>
> There's no reason why a small black moore can't be used as the ninth
> member in a feng shui tank. Just remember not to buy it from a place
> that has diseased fish. Pet shops are notorious for passing on fish
> diseases. Ask them about their quarantine room. If they don't have one,
> you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop.
> Never again.

What is your problem Mr Frankfurter. Perhaps as the previous owner of
the Byron Pet Shop, you did sell diseased fish. But never, ever have
we being accused of selling diseased fish. We have quarantine tanks in
an area not visible to the public, so anyone who needs see these they
have to ask...not a usual request though I must say. Pull your head in
or speak to our solicitor as this is defamation.

[Tristan]

I bet CArol Gulley is probbaly related to Frankfurter dude....Sounds
just like a Gulley from Tenn. To be honest I bet frankfurter is
probbaly CArol Gulleys buddy Ed Alston! He is emphatuated with
buttholes etc so that post that was made would fit right up Ed Alstons
alley as its of his mindset!



On 4 Feb 2007 14:47:28 -0800, wrote:

<<>>On Jan 27, 11:17 am, wrote:
<<>>> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, "phuile" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one
<<>>> > black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't
<<>>> > have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization,
<<>>> > I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the
<<>>> > question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do
<<>>> > they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can
<<>>> > be.
<<>>>
<<>>> > Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the
<<>>> > black fish do you think?
<<>>>
<<>>> I've always viewed catfish as "extras" which help keep the glass clean,
<<>>> but don't really count as one of the energisers of a space such as an
<<>>> aquarium. Platies do indeed come in orange, and I would recommend a
<<>>> black molly if not for the fact they can be too agressive. Try and get
<<>>> a female if you go down that path. The darkest of platies are generally
<<>>> blue in colour, but if you ever find a black strain, let me know and
<<>>> I'll make sure we keep the species going.
<<>>>
<<>>> There's no reason why a small black moore can't be used as the ninth
<<>>> member in a feng shui tank. Just remember not to buy it from a place
<<>>> that has diseased fish. Pet shops are notorious for passing on fish
<<>>> diseases. Ask them about their quarantine room. If they don't have one,
<<>>> you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop.
<<>>> Never again.
<<>>
<<>>What is your problem Mr Frankfurter. Perhaps as the previous owner of
<<>>the Byron Pet Shop, you did sell diseased fish. But never, ever have
<<>>we being accused of selling diseased fish. We have quarantine tanks in
<<>>an area not visible to the public, so anyone who needs see these they
<<>>have to ask...not a usual request though I must say. Pull your head in
<<>>or speak to our solicitor as this is defamation.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!