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Gill Passman

January 21st 07, 10:59 PM

I currently have a Sea Urchin - pinkish sort of thing not sure of the
exact species or name - it was described as a pin cushion urchin....it
trundles around the tank picking up all sorts of rubbish on it's
spines....including the odd hermit crab hitch-hiker that takes a free
ride before dropping off....

Now, the LFS has some really great looking Long Spine Sea Urchins -
totally black in colour and I want one.....in the next few months I am
getting a bigger tank 96 IMP gall instead of my little 15 IMP gall
Nano....I have plenty of algae to sustain a couple of sea urchins short
term I'm sure....but are there any other reasons you can think of why I
shouldn't go out and buy one of these things? From experience if you
don't buy when you see it vanishes for months from the shop......

Gill

Tristan

January 21st 07, 11:08 PM

Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank. They
are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot of
them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it. Now if I had a
big fish only with live rock tank I may consider it, and I actually am
considering it with a puffer I have as well as a future purchase of a
snowflake eel, in the bnear future.....

I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding one
ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to supplement
food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:59:39 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>I currently have a Sea Urchin - pinkish sort of thing not sure of the
<<>>exact species or name - it was described as a pin cushion urchin....it
<<>>trundles around the tank picking up all sorts of rubbish on it's
<<>>spines....including the odd hermit crab hitch-hiker that takes a free
<<>>ride before dropping off....
<<>>
<<>>Now, the LFS has some really great looking Long Spine Sea Urchins -
<<>>totally black in colour and I want one.....in the next few months I am
<<>>getting a bigger tank 96 IMP gall instead of my little 15 IMP gall
<<>>Nano....I have plenty of algae to sustain a couple of sea urchins short
<<>>term I'm sure....but are there any other reasons you can think of why I
<<>>shouldn't go out and buy one of these things? From experience if you
<<>>don't buy when you see it vanishes for months from the shop......
<<>>
<<>>Gill

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Gill Passman

January 21st 07, 11:44 PM

Tristan wrote:
> Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank. They
> are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot of
> them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
> crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it.

I take it you are no big fan of urchins then....funny that....someone in
the UK offered me his Urchin for free....I guess he feels the same way - lol

I just think they are really neat....but right now I have more than
enough algae to keep the thing well fed....and it has to be said since
putting it in the tank it has done a great job.....as for bulldozing the
corals right now there is nothing to compete with my blue legged
hermits....absolute b*st*rds when it comes to that....my capnella is
bent double again tonight - answer is a hermit chewing on whatever there
is on the bottom end of the stalk....I've even thrown them off it.....

> I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding one
> ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to supplement
> food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
> algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
> pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
> bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)

I've got some cowries....and those are pretty neat too....when not out
and about they look like pretty snail shells....but boy when they are on
the rampage they look like slugs with all sorts of hairy legs poking
out....not the same critters at all.....haven't seen them bulldoze the
corals yet - maybe the blue legs do such a great job of it they don't
need to bother yet - hmmmmmm.....

I need inspiration as to fish though for the new tank....I've been
browsing at the LFS and am slowly getting some ideas but will be back
here with questions when I get the tank and am eventually ready for the
fish - no rush....and afterall the cost of the stuff makes waiting
easier - you need to wait for the money in the bank again before making
additions - lol

But I'm still tempted by the long spined black thing while it is
available.....

Gill

Tristan

January 22nd 07, 12:42 AM

Don;t get me worng, I like urchins but i like the looks and all of
coraline better than an urchin especiallyb in a reef tank. Urchins
are all part and parcell of a marine environment, and god only knows
the gulf of mexico is full of them..and they do make a setup look more
natural.......but i like my coraline better. I will have one at least
when I get the puffers tank setup though.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:44:40 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Tristan wrote:
<<>>> Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank. They
<<>>> are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot of
<<>>> them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
<<>>> crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it.
<<>>
<<>>I take it you are no big fan of urchins then....funny that....someone in
<<>>the UK offered me his Urchin for free....I guess he feels the same way - lol
<<>>
<<>>I just think they are really neat....but right now I have more than
<<>>enough algae to keep the thing well fed....and it has to be said since
<<>>putting it in the tank it has done a great job.....as for bulldozing the
<<>>corals right now there is nothing to compete with my blue legged
<<>>hermits....absolute b*st*rds when it comes to that....my capnella is
<<>>bent double again tonight - answer is a hermit chewing on whatever there
<<>>is on the bottom end of the stalk....I've even thrown them off it.....
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>> I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding one
<<>>> ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to supplement
<<>>> food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
<<>>> algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
<<>>> pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
<<>>> bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)
<<>>
<<>>I've got some cowries....and those are pretty neat too....when not out
<<>>and about they look like pretty snail shells....but boy when they are on
<<>>the rampage they look like slugs with all sorts of hairy legs poking
<<>>out....not the same critters at all.....haven't seen them bulldoze the
<<>>corals yet - maybe the blue legs do such a great job of it they don't
<<>>need to bother yet - hmmmmmm.....
<<>>
<<>>I need inspiration as to fish though for the new tank....I've been
<<>>browsing at the LFS and am slowly getting some ideas but will be back
<<>>here with questions when I get the tank and am eventually ready for the
<<>>fish - no rush....and afterall the cost of the stuff makes waiting
<<>>easier - you need to wait for the money in the bank again before making
<<>>additions - lol
<<>>
<<>>But I'm still tempted by the long spined black thing while it is
<<>>available.....
<<>>
<<>>Gill

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Clams & Claws

January 22nd 07, 05:59 AM

Clams & Claws

January 22nd 07, 06:00 AM

"Tristan" > wrote in message
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>
What a sad life you Roy "Tristan" Hauer must lead to constantly net
stalk... slander.. harass... threaten old ladies and crippled veterans in
wheel chairs as your only release in life. Pathetioc loser you are
Yep....your a real sick *******........ here's your latest attack on the old
lady.......... you need another release dont you think so?

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> hahahahaha, way to go **** head Carol, youscrewed up and neglected to
> make a few changes in the forged headers etc. Your loosing it
> carol............bye bye!

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>
> Don;t get me worng, I like urchins but i like the looks and all of
> coraline better than an urchin especiallyb in a reef tank. Urchins
> are all part and parcell of a marine environment, and god only knows
> the gulf of mexico is full of them..and they do make a setup look more
> natural.......but i like my coraline better. I will have one at least
> when I get the puffers tank setup though.
>
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:44:40 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Tristan wrote:
> <<>>> Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank.
They
> <<>>> are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot
of
> <<>>> them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
> <<>>> crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it.
> <<>>
> <<>>I take it you are no big fan of urchins then....funny that....someone
in
> <<>>the UK offered me his Urchin for free....I guess he feels the same
way - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>I just think they are really neat....but right now I have more than
> <<>>enough algae to keep the thing well fed....and it has to be said since
> <<>>putting it in the tank it has done a great job.....as for bulldozing
the
> <<>>corals right now there is nothing to compete with my blue legged
> <<>>hermits....absolute b*st*rds when it comes to that....my capnella is
> <<>>bent double again tonight - answer is a hermit chewing on whatever
there
> <<>>is on the bottom end of the stalk....I've even thrown them off it.....
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>> I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding
one
> <<>>> ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to
supplement
> <<>>> food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
> <<>>> algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
> <<>>> pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
> <<>>> bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)
> <<>>
> <<>>I've got some cowries....and those are pretty neat too....when not out
> <<>>and about they look like pretty snail shells....but boy when they are
on
> <<>>the rampage they look like slugs with all sorts of hairy legs poking
> <<>>out....not the same critters at all.....haven't seen them bulldoze the
> <<>>corals yet - maybe the blue legs do such a great job of it they don't
> <<>>need to bother yet - hmmmmmm.....
> <<>>
> <<>>I need inspiration as to fish though for the new tank....I've been
> <<>>browsing at the LFS and am slowly getting some ideas but will be back
> <<>>here with questions when I get the tank and am eventually ready for
the
> <<>>fish - no rush....and afterall the cost of the stuff makes waiting
> <<>>easier - you need to wait for the money in the bank again before
making
> <<>>additions - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>But I'm still tempted by the long spined black thing while it is
> <<>>available.....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Clams & Claws

January 22nd 07, 06:14 AM

"Tristan" > wrote in message
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>
>
> Don;t get me worng,

Your not only wrong your friggin crazy!!!!!! Posted by psychotic net stalker
Roy "Tristan" Hauer to the Jehovahs Witness
newsgroup:

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> hahahahaha, way to go **** head Carol, youscrewed up and neglected to
> make a few changes in the forged headers etc. Your loosing it
> carol............bye bye!

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I like urchins but i like the looks and all of
> coraline better than an urchin especiallyb in a reef tank. Urchins
> are all part and parcell of a marine environment, and god only knows
> the gulf of mexico is full of them..and they do make a setup look more
> natural.......but i like my coraline better. I will have one at least
> when I get the puffers tank setup though.
>
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:44:40 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Tristan wrote:
> <<>>> Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank.
They
> <<>>> are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot
of
> <<>>> them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
> <<>>> crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it.
> <<>>
> <<>>I take it you are no big fan of urchins then....funny that....someone
in
> <<>>the UK offered me his Urchin for free....I guess he feels the same
way - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>I just think they are really neat....but right now I have more than
> <<>>enough algae to keep the thing well fed....and it has to be said since
> <<>>putting it in the tank it has done a great job.....as for bulldozing
the
> <<>>corals right now there is nothing to compete with my blue legged
> <<>>hermits....absolute b*st*rds when it comes to that....my capnella is
> <<>>bent double again tonight - answer is a hermit chewing on whatever
there
> <<>>is on the bottom end of the stalk....I've even thrown them off it.....
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>> I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding
one
> <<>>> ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to
supplement
> <<>>> food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
> <<>>> algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
> <<>>> pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
> <<>>> bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)
> <<>>
> <<>>I've got some cowries....and those are pretty neat too....when not out
> <<>>and about they look like pretty snail shells....but boy when they are
on
> <<>>the rampage they look like slugs with all sorts of hairy legs poking
> <<>>out....not the same critters at all.....haven't seen them bulldoze the
> <<>>corals yet - maybe the blue legs do such a great job of it they don't
> <<>>need to bother yet - hmmmmmm.....
> <<>>
> <<>>I need inspiration as to fish though for the new tank....I've been
> <<>>browsing at the LFS and am slowly getting some ideas but will be back
> <<>>here with questions when I get the tank and am eventually ready for
the
> <<>>fish - no rush....and afterall the cost of the stuff makes waiting
> <<>>easier - you need to wait for the money in the bank again before
making
> <<>>additions - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>But I'm still tempted by the long spined black thing while it is
> <<>>available.....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Wayne Sallee

January 22nd 07, 08:40 PM

And they will from time to time eat some of your coral as
well.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Tristan wrote on 1/21/2007 7:42 PM:
>
> Don;t get me worng, I like urchins but i like the looks and all of
> coraline better than an urchin especiallyb in a reef tank. Urchins
> are all part and parcell of a marine environment, and god only knows
> the gulf of mexico is full of them..and they do make a setup look more
> natural.......but i like my coraline better. I will have one at least
> when I get the puffers tank setup though.
>
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:44:40 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Tristan wrote:
> <<>>> Urchins are neat.......as long as they are in somneone else tank. They
> <<>>> are sort of like a bulldozer and will knock things over, and a lot of
> <<>>> them are known coraline algae eaters. I value my purple and pink and
> <<>>> crimson coraline too miuch to allow a urchin to eat it.
> <<>>
> <<>>I take it you are no big fan of urchins then....funny that....someone in
> <<>>the UK offered me his Urchin for free....I guess he feels the same way - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>I just think they are really neat....but right now I have more than
> <<>>enough algae to keep the thing well fed....and it has to be said since
> <<>>putting it in the tank it has done a great job.....as for bulldozing the
> <<>>corals right now there is nothing to compete with my blue legged
> <<>>hermits....absolute b*st*rds when it comes to that....my capnella is
> <<>>bent double again tonight - answer is a hermit chewing on whatever there
> <<>>is on the bottom end of the stalk....I've even thrown them off it.....
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>> I would think once you get your larger tank and it matures adding one
> <<>>> ort two at most would be fine.....Odds are you may have to supplement
> <<>>> food with nori algae as they are know to consume decent quanities of
> <<>>> algae. Hedk while your at it how about a cowrie.......they are
> <<>>> pretty neat also and also eat algae.........and are also know to
> <<>>> bulldoze corals etc over. ;-)
> <<>>
> <<>>I've got some cowries....and those are pretty neat too....when not out
> <<>>and about they look like pretty snail shells....but boy when they are on
> <<>>the rampage they look like slugs with all sorts of hairy legs poking
> <<>>out....not the same critters at all.....haven't seen them bulldoze the
> <<>>corals yet - maybe the blue legs do such a great job of it they don't
> <<>>need to bother yet - hmmmmmm.....
> <<>>
> <<>>I need inspiration as to fish though for the new tank....I've been
> <<>>browsing at the LFS and am slowly getting some ideas but will be back
> <<>>here with questions when I get the tank and am eventually ready for the
> <<>>fish - no rush....and afterall the cost of the stuff makes waiting
> <<>>easier - you need to wait for the money in the bank again before making
> <<>>additions - lol
> <<>>
> <<>>But I'm still tempted by the long spined black thing while it is
> <<>>available.....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Gill Passman

January 22nd 07, 10:08 PM

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> And they will from time to time eat some of your coral as well.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
So do you think I should resist for now and wait until I get the bigger
tank and then just keep one in there as well if I am really set on them?
My clowns are already prone to nip at my corals and I don't want a two
pronged attack so to speak....and in a 15g Nano there is less food
available and less margin for error....

TIA
Gill

Wayne Sallee

January 22nd 07, 11:35 PM

Better to wait. I've kept them in a reef tank before, but
after a while it's like "ok enough is enough". They are
beneficial on the reef, but in a reef tank you want a more
perfect environment. It's like bugs being beneficial to
the environment, but you don't want them eating your garden.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Gill Passman wrote on 1/22/2007 5:08 PM:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>> And they will from time to time eat some of your coral as well.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
> So do you think I should resist for now and wait until I get the bigger
> tank and then just keep one in there as well if I am really set on them?
> My clowns are already prone to nip at my corals and I don't want a two
> pronged attack so to speak....and in a 15g Nano there is less food
> available and less margin for error....
>
> TIA
> Gill

Gill Passman

January 22nd 07, 11:40 PM

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Better to wait. I've kept them in a reef tank before, but after a while
> it's like "ok enough is enough". They are beneficial on the reef, but in
> a reef tank you want a more perfect environment. It's like bugs being
> beneficial to the environment, but you don't want them eating your garden.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
Thanks Wayne....I will wait until I get the larger tank (soon I hope
just waiting for the LFS to get one in stock - new model and all
that)....and then wait again til everything is right to sustain this
sort of creature.....the one advantage with waiting is that everything
is so darn expensive you need to anyway or you will bankrupt yourself -
lol.....maybe they will hold one for me (I mean the long spined black
one that I just think is so cooool at the moment - if they won't it just
isn't meant to be....)

Thanks
Gill

Tristan

January 23rd 07, 01:31 AM

I'm sure finding an Urchin when thre time comes wil not be a big
issue. Their spines are just like ceramic. I have been stuck a few
times with them while scuba diving. Worst part is if your diving a
sunk boat etc and bump yu r head into one. Those spoines break off
and even with a tweezers or forceps are next to impossible to pull out
as they just crumble up. How do they ship them without them puncturing
a whole in the plastic bags?

I can not say anything about folks keeping stuff I would not keep as I
am not the one to throw rocks in that direction. I have a tank I call
the Undesireables Tank.it has all the critters that folks normally
flush when found. Little mean gorilla crab living along with a nice
mantis shrimp, lots and lots of aipstsia, some really nice green pink
and tan manjano anemones, a super large bristle worm, a rogue hermit
crab, who did nothing but continually scrape my coraline off my
liverocks, and hundreds of asterina starfish. Hmmm. maaybe a small
urchin could go just fine in that tank......certainly nothing in there
for it to hurt....dunno how it would get along with the mantis
though...

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:40:25 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Wayne Sallee wrote:
<<>>> Better to wait. I've kept them in a reef tank before, but after a while
<<>>> it's like "ok enough is enough". They are beneficial on the reef, but in
<<>>> a reef tank you want a more perfect environment. It's like bugs being
<<>>> beneficial to the environment, but you don't want them eating your garden.
<<>>>
<<>>> Wayne Sallee
<<>>> Wayne's Pets
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>Thanks Wayne....I will wait until I get the larger tank (soon I hope
<<>>just waiting for the LFS to get one in stock - new model and all
<<>>that)....and then wait again til everything is right to sustain this
<<>>sort of creature.....the one advantage with waiting is that everything
<<>>is so darn expensive you need to anyway or you will bankrupt yourself -
<<>>lol.....maybe they will hold one for me (I mean the long spined black
<<>>one that I just think is so cooool at the moment - if they won't it just
<<>>isn't meant to be....)
<<>>
<<>>Thanks
<<>>Gill

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[email protected]

January 23rd 07, 04:43 AM

Gill Passman > wrote:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
> > And they will from time to time eat some of your coral as well.

> So do you think I should resist for now and wait until I get the bigger
> tank and then just keep one in there as well if I am really set on them?
> My clowns are already prone to nip at my corals and I don't want a two
> pronged attack so to speak....and in a 15g Nano there is less food
> available and less margin for error....

You might consider a blue tuxedo urchin. However, they will die if
there's not algae, macro or hair. And though they will eat some coraline
algae, they won't bother any corals.

Mike

Lance Likenmac

January 23rd 07, 06:40 AM

How many cripples you insult today Roy Hauer?

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> I'm sure finding an Urchin when thre time comes wil not be a big
> issue. Their spines are just like ceramic. I have been stuck a few
> times with them while scuba diving. Worst part is if your diving a
> sunk boat etc and bump yu r head into one. Those spoines break off
> and even with a tweezers or forceps are next to impossible to pull out
> as they just crumble up. How do they ship them without them puncturing
> a whole in the plastic bags?
>
> I can not say anything about folks keeping stuff I would not keep as I
> am not the one to throw rocks in that direction. I have a tank I call
> the Undesireables Tank.it has all the critters that folks normally
> flush when found. Little mean gorilla crab living along with a nice
> mantis shrimp, lots and lots of aipstsia, some really nice green pink
> and tan manjano anemones, a super large bristle worm, a rogue hermit
> crab, who did nothing but continually scrape my coraline off my
> liverocks, and hundreds of asterina starfish. Hmmm. maaybe a small
> urchin could go just fine in that tank......certainly nothing in there
> for it to hurt....dunno how it would get along with the mantis
> though...
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:40:25 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Wayne Sallee wrote:
> <<>>> Better to wait. I've kept them in a reef tank before, but after a
while
> <<>>> it's like "ok enough is enough". They are beneficial on the reef,
but in
> <<>>> a reef tank you want a more perfect environment. It's like bugs
being
> <<>>> beneficial to the environment, but you don't want them eating your
garden.
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Wayne Sallee
> <<>>> Wayne's Pets
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>Thanks Wayne....I will wait until I get the larger tank (soon I hope
> <<>>just waiting for the LFS to get one in stock - new model and all
> <<>>that)....and then wait again til everything is right to sustain this
> <<>>sort of creature.....the one advantage with waiting is that everything
> <<>>is so darn expensive you need to anyway or you will bankrupt
yourself -
> <<>>lol.....maybe they will hold one for me (I mean the long spined black
> <<>>one that I just think is so cooool at the moment - if they won't it
just
> <<>>isn't meant to be....)
> <<>>
> <<>>Thanks
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Gill Passman

January 23rd 07, 11:06 PM

wrote:

>
> You might consider a blue tuxedo urchin. However, they will die if
> there's not algae, macro or hair. And though they will eat some coraline
> algae, they won't bother any corals.
>
> Mike

I did some googling and that looks as if it has a pretty neat colour -
my little pin-cushion is pink but has the same habit of picking up all
sorts of mess when trundling about - empty hermit shells being the most
alarming but it does shed them itself eventually.....I think from
research so far that the long spined I was looking at might be a bit
more of a problem......

As far as algae to feed the thing - not an issue in my tank - it's just
over 4 months and coming under control but still plenty pickings for all
:-( Of course, the issue is long term.....then I guess it is added food
if I really want to keep these things - but I do like them..... :-)

Gill

MacLiken

January 24th 07, 12:23 AM

Look around you Roy Tristan Hauer in these groups on USENET..
Just how many folks actrually hold a on topic conversation with you once
they read your slanderous depraved sex posts?
HOw many can you converse with , without getting into a ****ing
contest in short order. Just Gill. Anyone with 2 brain cells killfiled you
long ago.
HOw many questions can you answer without stealing the answers and
materials from others?
How many here would be willing to trust "YOU" at your word?
How many here gives a rats ass about what you post or say anymore? Eveyone
got you killfiled.
Ho9w many here have been in contact with you "behind" the scenes by
way of Email and phone in the last month or two, to disscuss .....what
else "YOU" to try and placate you and convice you to stop trolling.

I bet you can not even answer a yes or give a number other than "0" to
anyone of them questions can you Roy Tristan?

If it was not for Suicide Prone Ed Alston you would not have anyone to
converse and conive with would you worthless semi literate 4F er.
If it was not for your sock puppets you would be a lonely old redneck swamp
drunk.
If it was not for rec.ponds you would not have any entertainment would
you Roy Tristan. You need carol to build your whale **** low ego.
If it was not for porn, you may even have a wife that notices you!
If it was not fro Ed, Myself and others yu would have created an
even bigger mess in the usenet groups with your depravity and hate.
If it wa snot for newbies you woul dnot have a chance to give info,
but we all see how long your chance at putting ouot erroneous info
lasts......about 1 post till your slapped down for spewing erroneous
crap and bull**** about peole, always cripples and old ladies! 2 Posts
until your totally ignored on the
post/topic totally.
Face it, your a hypocrite, a habitual liar, a drunk and a barely literate
loser.....any way you look at it. NOt
justb any loser, but a big dumb loser without anyone in life that
gives a rats ass that really means something so you come on usenet to get
your rocks off.YOu can tell by the
folks you patronize that hang with you.....al have low self esteem like
Antonio, no morale
fibre, poor famioly life with parents who yu did not know or who did
not care as they to were illiterate swamp trash......and a well known
abusive upbringing with no regards for
anyones beliefs..........your a real classic Roy Tristan.....

[email protected]

January 24th 07, 02:24 AM

Gill Passman > wrote:
> wrote:

> >
> > You might consider a blue tuxedo urchin. However, they will die if
> > there's not algae, macro or hair. And though they will eat some coraline
> > algae, they won't bother any corals.

> As far as algae to feed the thing - not an issue in my tank - it's just
> over 4 months and coming under control but still plenty pickings for all
> :-( Of course, the issue is long term.....then I guess it is added food
> if I really want to keep these things - but I do like them..... :-)

As long as there's any algae, they're OK. If you have a refugium, you
will likely have enough macro algae getting into the tank after the
hair algae's gone to keep 'em happy.

Mike