Tank Temps

[KurtG]

I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to
84 in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?

I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like
I need to do something sooner.

--Kurt

[Tristan]

I would adjust the heater so that it keeps the tank up to a higher
temp...like say 80 or 82 deg.......then the swing will be less
overall......84deg is a bit high, but IMHO is not really that far out
of line when you look at the online temps of various reefs of the
world. It is however a drastic reduction in fudge control if you run
into a situatin so you have lots less wiggle room if it was able to be
run at a max of 82 F. If you already have fans ordered I would just
bump up the heater a few degrees to reduce some of the swing, ,
install the fans and work at obtainig a decent happy medium of temp
with a bit of playing with fans and heater settings. Are you going to
use a variable power supply for the fans........A variable supply is
best as you can further control speed and noise levels of fan and have
more precise control available.
Most fans will run on 4.6 to 14 volts of DC power..

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:40:39 -0500, KurtG
> wrote:

<<>>
<<>>I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to
<<>>84 in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
<<>>
<<>>I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like
<<>>I need to do something sooner.
<<>>
<<>>--Kurt



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[TheRock]

7 degree temperature swing can be stressful on your fine finned buddies.
Try and tighten up the temp swing +/- 3°F
Say 77°F - 80°F

Temp should be kept between 76°F and 83°F

Chris


"KurtG" > wrote in message
...
>
> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to 84
> in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
>
> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like I
> need to do something sooner.
>
> --Kurt

[Gill Passman]

My LFS actually advised me to set the thermostat on the heater to around
20C - this was to compensate for inaccuracies within the thermostat
itself...to prevent the tank from going too low if the ambient
temperature did...and to prevent overheating if the ambient temp was too
high....in a heated house that rarely falls below 70F and bearing in
mind the temp added by the lighting this kind of made sense to me - just
using the heater as a fail safe....of course I do not live in an area
where temps go that low for it to be an issue overnight...and personally
would not be comfortable myself if the temps in the house dropped to a
level that would really cause the tank temps to drop that
significantly.....some fluctuation is natural though...I was always
taught that it was sudden variations that caused a problem rather than
gradual changes....might be wrong though....

Gill

[Tristan]

I have seen this issue debated on web foruoms for a few years. LOtsof
info one way or the other in regards to max temps and temp swings /
differentials. Iknow for a fact the water in th ekeys or bahamas cools
down consideranbly at night once that sun goes down and a tide
occurs........so fish do go through temp swings on a rather routine
schedule with sun up sun down and tide changes and storms.......it
happens. Same for max and min temps. I prefer higher temps and less
swing......I know person in the phillipines that runs his tanks at a
cool 86 deg, and he says that temp is pretty well common place for all
the reef and fish keepers there. 86 is not all that uncomon for aot
of reefs either around the world and there are even a few that are a
bit higher. As an experiment one time I ran a tank with just corals
in it at 86 deg and they did do fine, actually best they ever did with
a SG of 1.026 and 86 deg F, but I thnk its a bit extreme if fish are
at that temp. Yes they may live and do fine, but a bit more increase
could be a fish and shrimp boil too.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:34:30 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:

<<>>7 degree temperature swing can be stressful on your fine finned buddies.
<<>>Try and tighten up the temp swing +/- 3°F
<<>>Say 77°F - 80°F
<<>>
<<>>Temp should be kept between 76°F and 83°F
<<>>
<<>>Chris
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to 84
<<>>> in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
<<>>>
<<>>> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like I
<<>>> need to do something sooner.
<<>>>
<<>>> --Kurt
<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Lance]

Pond and fish group[s area dime a dozen on the internet..just what
the world needs is one more, but if that one more is a momderated one
an dit works at excluding Tristan, then its well worth it......Having
Tristan in a group or forum is about like getting an outbreak of ICH
in a fish tank.

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> I have seen this issue debated on web foruoms for a few years. LOtsof
> info one way or the other in regards to max temps and temp swings /
> differentials. Iknow for a fact the water in th ekeys or bahamas cools
> down consideranbly at night once that sun goes down and a tide
> occurs........so fish do go through temp swings on a rather routine
> schedule with sun up sun down and tide changes and storms.......it
> happens. Same for max and min temps. I prefer higher temps and less
> swing......I know person in the phillipines that runs his tanks at a
> cool 86 deg, and he says that temp is pretty well common place for all
> the reef and fish keepers there. 86 is not all that uncomon for aot
> of reefs either around the world and there are even a few that are a
> bit higher. As an experiment one time I ran a tank with just corals
> in it at 86 deg and they did do fine, actually best they ever did with
> a SG of 1.026 and 86 deg F, but I thnk its a bit extreme if fish are
> at that temp. Yes they may live and do fine, but a bit more increase
> could be a fish and shrimp boil too.
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:34:30 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:
>
> <<>>7 degree temperature swing can be stressful on your fine finned
buddies.
> <<>>Try and tighten up the temp swing +/- 3°F
> <<>>Say 77°F - 80°F
> <<>>
> <<>>Temp should be kept between 76°F and 83°F
> <<>>
> <<>>Chris
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77
to 84
> <<>>> in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems
like I
> <<>>> need to do something sooner.
> <<>>>
> <<>>> --Kurt
> <<>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Clams & Claws]

You forgot your favorite group Tristan... don't you want them to know you
abuse religious groups in your attacks in old ladies? .... No worries.....
we'll post them there for you.

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> make a few changes in the forged headers etc. Your loosing it
> carol............bye bye!

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>
"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I would adjust the heater so that it keeps the tank up to a higher
> temp...like say 80 or 82 deg.......then the swing will be less
> overall......84deg is a bit high, but IMHO is not really that far out
> of line when you look at the online temps of various reefs of the
> world. It is however a drastic reduction in fudge control if you run
> into a situatin so you have lots less wiggle room if it was able to be
> run at a max of 82 F. If you already have fans ordered I would just
> bump up the heater a few degrees to reduce some of the swing, ,
> install the fans and work at obtainig a decent happy medium of temp
> with a bit of playing with fans and heater settings. Are you going to
> use a variable power supply for the fans........A variable supply is
> best as you can further control speed and noise levels of fan and have
> more precise control available.
> Most fans will run on 4.6 to 14 volts of DC power..
>
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:40:39 -0500, KurtG
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to
> <<>>84 in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
> <<>>
> <<>>I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems
like
> <<>>I need to do something sooner.
> <<>>
> <<>>--Kurt
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Clams & Claws]

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> hahahahaha, way to go **** head Carol, youscrewed up and neglected to
> make a few changes in the forged headers etc. Your loosing it
> carol............bye bye!


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"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> I have seen this issue debated on web foruoms for a few years. LOtsof
> info one way or the other in regards to max temps and temp swings /
> differentials. Iknow for a fact the water in th ekeys or bahamas cools
> down consideranbly at night once that sun goes down and a tide
> occurs........so fish do go through temp swings on a rather routine
> schedule with sun up sun down and tide changes and storms.......it
> happens. Same for max and min temps. I prefer higher temps and less
> swing......I know person in the phillipines that runs his tanks at a
> cool 86 deg, and he says that temp is pretty well common place for all
> the reef and fish keepers there. 86 is not all that uncomon for aot
> of reefs either around the world and there are even a few that are a
> bit higher. As an experiment one time I ran a tank with just corals
> in it at 86 deg and they did do fine, actually best they ever did with
> a SG of 1.026 and 86 deg F, but I thnk its a bit extreme if fish are
> at that temp. Yes they may live and do fine, but a bit more increase
> could be a fish and shrimp boil too.
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:34:30 GMT, "TheRock" > wrote:
>
> <<>>7 degree temperature swing can be stressful on your fine finned
buddies.
> <<>>Try and tighten up the temp swing +/- 3°F
> <<>>Say 77°F - 80°F
> <<>>
> <<>>Temp should be kept between 76°F and 83°F
> <<>>
> <<>>Chris
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>"KurtG" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77
to 84
> <<>>> in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems
like I
> <<>>> need to do something sooner.
> <<>>>
> <<>>> --Kurt
> <<>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Add Homonym]

KurtG wrote:
>
> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to
> 84 in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?

yes.

>
> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like
> I need to do something sooner.

Two choices-

easiest - simply set the thermostat on your heater to 84. That's high,.
but not dangerously so (I run my tank this hot myself)

OR

Less easy - get a chiller with a dual stage controller.

[KurtG]

Thanks. I'll do both and try to level this out.

--Kurt


Add Homonym wrote:
> KurtG wrote:
>>
>> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to
>> 84 in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
>
> yes.
>
>>
>> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems
>> like I need to do something sooner.
>
> Two choices-
>
> easiest - simply set the thermostat on your heater to 84. That's high,.
> but not dangerously so (I run my tank this hot myself)
>
> OR
>
> Less easy - get a chiller with a dual stage controller.
>
>

[KurtG]

Given my climate, I think I'll go for the higher end and try to keep
80-83 as my range.

--Kurt



TheRock wrote:
> 7 degree temperature swing can be stressful on your fine finned buddies.
> Try and tighten up the temp swing +/- 3°F
> Say 77°F - 80°F
>
> Temp should be kept between 76°F and 83°F
>
> Chris
>
>
> "KurtG" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I ordered some more slimline fans, but my temp still swings from 77 to 84
>> in a day. Is 7 degrees too much?
>>
>> I was hoping to wait till next month to buy a chiller, but it seems like I
>> need to do something sooner.
>>
>> --Kurt
>
>

[MacLiken]

Look around you Roy Tristan Hauer in these groups on USENET..
Just how many folks actrually hold a on topic conversation with you once
they read your slanderous depraved sex posts?
HOw many can you converse with , without getting into a ****ing
contest in short order. Just Gill. Anyone with 2 brain cells killfiled you
long ago.
HOw many questions can you answer without stealing the answers and
materials from others?
How many here would be willing to trust "YOU" at your word?
How many here gives a rats ass about what you post or say anymore? Eveyone
got you killfiled.
Ho9w many here have been in contact with you "behind" the scenes by
way of Email and phone in the last month or two, to disscuss .....what
else "YOU" to try and placate you and convice you to stop trolling.

I bet you can not even answer a yes or give a number other than "0" to
anyone of them questions can you Roy Tristan?

If it was not for Suicide Prone Ed Alston you would not have anyone to
converse and conive with would you worthless semi literate 4F er.
If it was not for your sock puppets you would be a lonely old redneck swamp
drunk.
If it was not for rec.ponds you would not have any entertainment would
you Roy Tristan. You need carol to build your whale **** low ego.
If it was not for porn, you may even have a wife that notices you!
If it was not fro Ed, Myself and others yu would have created an
even bigger mess in the usenet groups with your depravity and hate.
If it wa snot for newbies you woul dnot have a chance to give info,
but we all see how long your chance at putting ouot erroneous info
lasts......about 1 post till your slapped down for spewing erroneous
crap and bull**** about peole, always cripples and old ladies! 2 Posts
until your totally ignored on the
post/topic totally.
Face it, your a hypocrite, a habitual liar, a drunk and a barely literate
loser.....any way you look at it. NOt
justb any loser, but a big dumb loser without anyone in life that
gives a rats ass that really means something so you come on usenet to get
your rocks off.YOu can tell by the
folks you patronize that hang with you.....al have low self esteem like
Antonio, no morale
fibre, poor famioly life with parents who yu did not know or who did
not care as they to were illiterate swamp trash......and a well known
abusive upbringing with no regards for
anyones beliefs..........your a real classic Roy Tristan.....

[MacLiken]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...


Roy Tristan Hauer >, dangerous misogynist
obsessed with women, calls them attention whores now net stalking Gail
Futoran.........

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carols Nightmare" >
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Gail Futoran.one lying troloing alter ego individual, with a bad
attitude to old people


>
> Gail Futoran wrote:
> Not a lot of anythng worth a ****......being that all Gail Futoran is,
> is an attention whore that loves to create problems in other groups and
> then skip on out and let the turmoil stew. What happened Gail did old
> Ron give your sorry useless trashy ass the heave ho for the pond group
> as you thought you were the only one that mayttered. Good freaking
> ridence toyou and your tuypes. Your really worse than the big time
> attention whore you love to mimick so much Carol Gulley....... YOu
> thought your **** did not stink but the entire group had to be
> fumigated when you got booted!
>
>
> Thank goodness for google history now we all know where yur sorry ass
> hangs so we can there fore divide our attention to where you now hanbg
> like you did to us in the other aquaria groups.....I suspect your
> groups are gonna see lots of traffic veryshortly. Folks can thank you
> for this Gail.......YOu should have stayed home when yu left with your
> toys instead of inviting disaster like you have.
>

[henrystuud]

I saw the debate on this issue for several years based on Web forums. Lots of a way of information or other temporary workers and the maximum temperature fluctuations greeting / differences. Iknow the fact that in the water or the Bahamas at ekeys night once the sun goes down and the cooling considerably tide occurred.

[Annagyijjk]

I asked some fans no more fattening, but my temperature is always 77 to

84 in one day. 7 degrees is too much?

Yes

[andrewwmillton]

Pond and angle group[s breadth dime a dozen on the internet..just what the apple needs is one more, but if that one added is a momderated one an dit works at excluding Tristan, again its able-bodied account it having Tristan in a accumulation or appointment is about like accepting an beginning of ICH in a angle tank.

[jimmyanderrson]

Pond and angle group[s breadth dime a dozen on the internet..just what the apple needs is one more, but if that one added is a momderated one an dit works at excluding Tristan, again its able-bodied account it having Tristan in a accumulation or appointment is about like accepting an beginning of ICH in a angle tank.