Goldfish keep dying

[Engram]

I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it (mixture
of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at the
rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are 2 years
old.

We have had the water checked for everything (nitrates, nitrites, pH, etc)
at the fish shop and everything is fine. We tried doing a salt bath, monitor
pH daily and have ended up doing fairly frequent 25% water changes. It's
been pretty hot lately but water temp is OK (28 deg C or less).

The fish look fine (scales OK, no bloating, no weird colouring) other than
every few days one of them starts looking depressed, its tail fins hang down
and it starts living on the bottom of the tank. Within about 4 days it's
dead.

What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the fish
suddenly started dropping like flies...

Engram

[Tristan]

12 goldfish of that age in a 55 is much to much. Usually when they
clamp their fins and set onthe bottom etc its a sign of stress or
bacterial infection, which may or may not have other visuals to
iindicate it as well. Reduce the numbers.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:31:06 +1100, "Engram" >
wrote:

<<>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it (mixture
<<>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at the
<<>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are 2 years
<<>>old.
<<>>
<<>>We have had the water checked for everything (nitrates, nitrites, pH, etc)
<<>>at the fish shop and everything is fine. We tried doing a salt bath, monitor
<<>>pH daily and have ended up doing fairly frequent 25% water changes. It's
<<>>been pretty hot lately but water temp is OK (28 deg C or less).
<<>>
<<>>The fish look fine (scales OK, no bloating, no weird colouring) other than
<<>>every few days one of them starts looking depressed, its tail fins hang down
<<>>and it starts living on the bottom of the tank. Within about 4 days it's
<<>>dead.
<<>>
<<>>What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the fish
<<>>suddenly started dropping like flies...
<<>>
<<>>Engram
<<>>
<<>>



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[Zebulon]

"Engram" > wrote in message
...
>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it (mixture
>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at the
>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are 2
>years old.

Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least 10 gallons
to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5 or 6
goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By the time a
year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.

> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the fish
> suddenly started dropping like flies...

Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also Google
goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.


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[Tristan]

Go to a decent full time forum like koishack.com where they have folks
that know what they are talking about with koi and goldies..not some
Bozo like Zebulon the troll putting out plagarized or erroneous info.
I do believe Dr. Solo and Gill Passman answered your question
correctly though. As you can see CArol adlibs a bunch.....



http://koishack.com

Koivet forum is old hat and slowly fading away just like USENETs
groups as most foks woth a darn left koivet 2 or more years ago...ONly
idiots like Carol aka Zebulon hang out there.


On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:35 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Engram" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it (mixture
<<>>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at the
<<>>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are 2
<<>>>years old.
<<>>
<<>>Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least 10 gallons
<<>>to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5 or 6
<<>>goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By the time a
<<>>year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.
<<>>
<<>>> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the fish
<<>>> suddenly started dropping like flies...
<<>>
<<>>Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also Google
<<>>goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.



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[Sarcum]

TRISTAN TROLL

PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
> Go to a decent full time forum like koishack.com where they have folks
> that know what they are talking about with koi and goldies..not some
> Bozo like Zebulon the troll putting out plagarized or erroneous info.
> I do believe Dr. Solo and Gill Passman answered your question
> correctly though. As you can see CArol adlibs a bunch.....
>
>
>
> http://koishack.com
>
> Koivet forum is old hat and slowly fading away just like USENETs
> groups as most foks woth a darn left koivet 2 or more years ago...ONly
> idiots like Carol aka Zebulon hang out there.
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:35 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Engram" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it
> (mixture
> <<>>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at
> the
> <<>>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are
> 2
> <<>>>years old.
> <<>>
> <<>>Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least 10
> gallons
> <<>>to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5 or 6
> <<>>goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By the
> time a
> <<>>year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.
> <<>>
> <<>>> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the
> fish
> <<>>> suddenly started dropping like flies...
> <<>>
> <<>>Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also Google
> <<>>goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

You dumbass..you already said you plonked me long before I responded
to this sock of yours CArol..........your a bona fide
lunatic.....Can't stand it can you Carol.........You never plonked any
one, you get your cookies off replying and trolling and agitating. You
need the attention good or bad to survive.......Thats why your such an
attention whore.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:06:02 -0600, "Sarcum" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>TRISTAN TROLL
<<>>
<<>>PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> Go to a decent full time forum like koishack.com where they have folks
<<>>> that know what they are talking about with koi and goldies..not some
<<>>> Bozo like Zebulon the troll putting out plagarized or erroneous info.
<<>>> I do believe Dr. Solo and Gill Passman answered your question
<<>>> correctly though. As you can see CArol adlibs a bunch.....
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> http://koishack.com
<<>>>
<<>>> Koivet forum is old hat and slowly fading away just like USENETs
<<>>> groups as most foks woth a darn left koivet 2 or more years ago...ONly
<<>>> idiots like Carol aka Zebulon hang out there.
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:35 -0600, Zëbulon >
<<>>> wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>"Engram" > wrote in message
<<>>> ...
<<>>> <<>>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in it
<<>>> (mixture
<<>>> <<>>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started dying at
<<>>> the
<<>>> <<>>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The oldest are
<<>>> 2
<<>>> <<>>>years old.
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least 10
<<>>> gallons
<<>>> <<>>to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5 or 6
<<>>> <<>>goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By the
<<>>> time a
<<>>> <<>>year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and then the
<<>>> fish
<<>>> <<>>> suddenly started dropping like flies...
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also Google
<<>>> <<>>goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> -------
<<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!



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[Duron~dae]

Your a bigger dumbass..you already said you plonked CArol long before anyone
responded
to this sock of yours Tristan..........your a bona fide
lunatic.....Can't stand it can you Tristan.........You never plonked any
one, you get your cookies off replying and trolling and agitating and
attacking cripples and old ladies. You
need the attention good or bad to survive.......Thats why your such an
attention whore.

http://groups.google.com/group/RoyHauerAttentionWhore?hl=en

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> You dumbass..you already said you plonked me long before I responded
> to this sock of yours CArol..........your a bona fide
> lunatic.....Can't stand it can you Carol.........You never plonked any
> one, you get your cookies off replying and trolling and agitating. You
> need the attention good or bad to survive.......Thats why your such an
> attention whore.
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:06:02 -0600, "Sarcum" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>TRISTAN TROLL
> <<>>
> <<>>PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Go to a decent full time forum like koishack.com where they have
> folks
> <<>>> that know what they are talking about with koi and goldies..not some
> <<>>> Bozo like Zebulon the troll putting out plagarized or erroneous
> info.
> <<>>> I do believe Dr. Solo and Gill Passman answered your question
> <<>>> correctly though. As you can see CArol adlibs a bunch.....
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://koishack.com
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Koivet forum is old hat and slowly fading away just like USENETs
> <<>>> groups as most foks woth a darn left koivet 2 or more years
> ago...ONly
> <<>>> idiots like Carol aka Zebulon hang out there.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:35 -0600, Zëbulon >
> <<>>> wrote:
> <<>>>
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>"Engram" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>> <<>>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in
> it
> <<>>> (mixture
> <<>>> <<>>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started
> dying at
> <<>>> the
> <<>>> <<>>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The
> oldest are
> <<>>> 2
> <<>>> <<>>>years old.
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least
> 10
> <<>>> gallons
> <<>>> <<>>to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5
> or 6
> <<>>> <<>>goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By
> the
> <<>>> time a
> <<>>> <<>>year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and
> then the
> <<>>> fish
> <<>>> <<>>> suddenly started dropping like flies...
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also
> Google
> <<>>> <<>>goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> -------
> <<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Hotpoppa]

This is what happen... when paranoid bipolars kooks go off the meds.........

Roy "Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> And your point is??????????????????
>
> They sell all kinds of crap but it doe snot mean its the best or the
> right thing to use now does it dumbass?
>


"Carols Nightmare" (Roy Hauer) > wrote in message
ps.com...
> aahhhhhhhh ain't that precious......how sweet.....gail trying to find
> new friends since her friends showed her sorry ass the door in
> rec,.ponds when she started to show her lilly white ass........and
> think she was somebody special!


Roy "Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> You dumbass..you already said you plonked me long before I responded
> to this sock of yours CArol..........your a bona fide
> lunatic.....Can't stand it can you Carol.........You never plonked any
> one, you get your cookies off replying and trolling and agitating. You
> need the attention good or bad to survive.......Thats why your such an
> attention whore.
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:06:02 -0600, "Sarcum" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>TRISTAN TROLL
> <<>>
> <<>>PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Go to a decent full time forum like koishack.com where they have
folks
> <<>>> that know what they are talking about with koi and goldies..not some
> <<>>> Bozo like Zebulon the troll putting out plagarized or erroneous
info.
> <<>>> I do believe Dr. Solo and Gill Passman answered your question
> <<>>> correctly though. As you can see CArol adlibs a bunch.....
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://koishack.com
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Koivet forum is old hat and slowly fading away just like USENETs
> <<>>> groups as most foks woth a darn left koivet 2 or more years
ago...ONly
> <<>>> idiots like Carol aka Zebulon hang out there.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:35 -0600, Zëbulon >
> <<>>> wrote:
> <<>>>
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>"Engram" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>> <<>>>I have a 55 gallon / 220 L freshwater tank with 12 goldfish in
it
> <<>>> (mixture
> <<>>> <<>>>of blackmores, shubunkins and comets). Recently they started
dying at
> <<>>> the
> <<>>> <<>>>rate of 1 per week, so we end up replacing 4 a month. The
oldest are
> <<>>> 2
> <<>>> <<>>>years old.
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>Your tank is horribly overcrowded. Each goldfish needs at least
10
> <<>>> gallons
> <<>>> <<>>to remian healthy. I have two 55g tanks and keep no more than 5
or 6
> <<>>> <<>>goldfish in each tank unless they're still small and young. By
the
> <<>>> time a
> <<>>> <<>>year passes there are no more than 5 per tank.
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>> What could be going wrong? This was an established tank and
then the
> <<>>> fish
> <<>>> <<>>> suddenly started dropping like flies...
> <<>>> <<>>
> <<>>> <<>>Try www.koivet.com . He's a licensed veterinarian.... also
Google
> <<>>> <<>>goldfish+disease etc. Good luck.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> -------
> <<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...

<insane Roy Tristan Hauer gibbering snipped>

Anyone can see you need professional help desperately Roy Tristan Hauer, as
I am apparently destroying your life by merely existing. Prozac, maybe
Thorazine can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
counseling can help you get over using personal attacks, fantasies and
slander as an ego builder and attention getter. Talk to your Dr at the VA
hospital about the proper medications to help you control yourself. You can
live a normal life free of hate, lies, feelings of inferiority and
obsessions but you must make an effort to help yourself. Don't you want to
feel good about yourself again? Your Dr at the VA can help you.

Net stalking and slandering old grandmothers and disabled veterans wont make
you the man you want to be in the eyes of the world.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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