Sick Fish - peeling lips

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I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling off.
I know it irritates her, as she is having periods of thrashing about, trying
to dislodge the loose pieces. Her slime coat seems ok, if a bit thicker than
normal, and on occasion she will gulp water. The tank is shared with two
male goldfish 1@ 12" and 1@ 7" long, and one female neon rainbow, and 4 male
neon rainbows. The rainbow's are all 2" long or less. They have gotten along
well for over a year now. I lost 3 of the female rainbows a few weeks ago.
They got very weak, and ended up floating nose up at the top of the tank.
Once they got too weak, I had to put them down. It was a shame, but it was
all I could do for them. Nobody seemed to know what was wrong with them. I
think the males tormented them to death trying to mate constantly.
The tank is a 75 gallon, half bare bottom, half natural gravel. It gets
vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons. The temperature, Ph,
nitrites, nitrates and ammonia are all within normal levels. The
water/tank/filters had gotten a bit dirty while I was sick a few weeks ago,
but I got it back into condidtion as soon as my doctor would let me do the
lifting.I suspect that she got sick from that, as I normally keep the
tanks/filters very clean. The filters are two magnum 350 units with one
double bio wheel set. I figured she would just heal up once the tank got
back to normal, but even though she is doing much better, her lips are still
bothering her, and have visible signs of enlarged membrane and peeling of
same.
Any ideas on what this may be, and/or how to cure it? I'd hate to lose her,
as she is normally very playful and personable. She won't even come over to
rest in my hand now, and that's not normal for her. She usually comes right
over to be stroked when I clean the tank. And it's not abnormal for her to
let you hand feed her. Now she is still active, but has a definate attitude!

[Tristan]

Those three goldfish are entirely too much for that tank. You
presently have a mic of tropical and cool water fish....I just think
that there is just too many fish for that sized tank and then the mix
so some are gonna be stessed. It could very well be a fungal problem
brought on by conditions to which yu feel are ok, but to a fish is
not....One thing for sure is I would definately quarrantine her until
you have a cure and she is recovered, and look into a bigger "pond"
etc for the goldies.


On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:49:06 GMT, wrote:

<<>>I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
<<>>long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling off.
<<>>I know it irritates her, as she is having periods of thrashing about, trying
<<>>to dislodge the loose pieces. Her slime coat seems ok, if a bit thicker than
<<>>normal, and on occasion she will gulp water. The tank is shared with two
<<>>male goldfish 1@ 12" and 1@ 7" long, and one female neon rainbow, and 4 male
<<>>neon rainbows. The rainbow's are all 2" long or less. They have gotten along
<<>>well for over a year now. I lost 3 of the female rainbows a few weeks ago.
<<>>They got very weak, and ended up floating nose up at the top of the tank.
<<>>Once they got too weak, I had to put them down. It was a shame, but it was
<<>>all I could do for them. Nobody seemed to know what was wrong with them. I
<<>>think the males tormented them to death trying to mate constantly.
<<>>The tank is a 75 gallon, half bare bottom, half natural gravel. It gets
<<>>vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
<<>>every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons. The temperature, Ph,
<<>>nitrites, nitrates and ammonia are all within normal levels. The
<<>>water/tank/filters had gotten a bit dirty while I was sick a few weeks ago,
<<>>but I got it back into condidtion as soon as my doctor would let me do the
<<>>lifting.I suspect that she got sick from that, as I normally keep the
<<>>tanks/filters very clean. The filters are two magnum 350 units with one
<<>>double bio wheel set. I figured she would just heal up once the tank got
<<>>back to normal, but even though she is doing much better, her lips are still
<<>>bothering her, and have visible signs of enlarged membrane and peeling of
<<>>same.
<<>>Any ideas on what this may be, and/or how to cure it? I'd hate to lose her,
<<>>as she is normally very playful and personable. She won't even come over to
<<>>rest in my hand now, and that's not normal for her. She usually comes right
<<>>over to be stroked when I clean the tank. And it's not abnormal for her to
<<>>let you hand feed her. Now she is still active, but has a definate attitude!



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call Jo Ann, the Goldfish Guru at 251-649-4790 tomorrow. sounds like columnaris, a
bacteria. antibiotic food, potassium permanganate often works, but check with Jo
Ann. http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
nitrates need to be kept at or under 20 ppm. Ingrid

wrote:

>I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
>long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling off.
>I know it irritates her, as she is having periods of thrashing about, trying
>to dislodge the loose pieces. Her slime coat seems ok, if a bit thicker than
>normal, and on occasion she will gulp water. The tank is shared with two
>male goldfish 1@ 12" and 1@ 7" long, and one female neon rainbow, and 4 male
>neon rainbows. The rainbow's are all 2" long or less. They have gotten along
>well for over a year now. I lost 3 of the female rainbows a few weeks ago.
>They got very weak, and ended up floating nose up at the top of the tank.
>Once they got too weak, I had to put them down. It was a shame, but it was
>all I could do for them. Nobody seemed to know what was wrong with them. I
>think the males tormented them to death trying to mate constantly.
>The tank is a 75 gallon, half bare bottom, half natural gravel. It gets
>vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
>every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons. The temperature, Ph,
>nitrites, nitrates and ammonia are all within normal levels. The
>water/tank/filters had gotten a bit dirty while I was sick a few weeks ago,
>but I got it back into condidtion as soon as my doctor would let me do the
>lifting.I suspect that she got sick from that, as I normally keep the
>tanks/filters very clean. The filters are two magnum 350 units with one
>double bio wheel set. I figured she would just heal up once the tank got
>back to normal, but even though she is doing much better, her lips are still
>bothering her, and have visible signs of enlarged membrane and peeling of
>same.
>Any ideas on what this may be, and/or how to cure it? I'd hate to lose her,
>as she is normally very playful and personable. She won't even come over to
>rest in my hand now, and that's not normal for her. She usually comes right
>over to be stroked when I clean the tank. And it's not abnormal for her to
>let you hand feed her. Now she is still active, but has a definate attitude!



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just one other thing. dont mix fish species. and right now do some big water
changes and lower the salt to 1 teaspoon of salt per 5 gallons for a while. Ingrid

wrote:

>I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
>long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling off.
>I know it irritates her, as she is having periods of thrashing about, trying
>to dislodge the loose pieces. Her slime coat seems ok, if a bit thicker than
>normal, and on occasion she will gulp water. The tank is shared with two
>male goldfish 1@ 12" and 1@ 7" long, and one female neon rainbow, and 4 male
>neon rainbows. The rainbow's are all 2" long or less. They have gotten along
>well for over a year now. I lost 3 of the female rainbows a few weeks ago.
>They got very weak, and ended up floating nose up at the top of the tank.
>Once they got too weak, I had to put them down. It was a shame, but it was
>all I could do for them. Nobody seemed to know what was wrong with them. I
>think the males tormented them to death trying to mate constantly.
>The tank is a 75 gallon, half bare bottom, half natural gravel. It gets
>vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
>every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons. The temperature, Ph,
>nitrites, nitrates and ammonia are all within normal levels. The
>water/tank/filters had gotten a bit dirty while I was sick a few weeks ago,
>but I got it back into condidtion as soon as my doctor would let me do the
>lifting.I suspect that she got sick from that, as I normally keep the
>tanks/filters very clean. The filters are two magnum 350 units with one
>double bio wheel set. I figured she would just heal up once the tank got
>back to normal, but even though she is doing much better, her lips are still
>bothering her, and have visible signs of enlarged membrane and peeling of
>same.
>Any ideas on what this may be, and/or how to cure it? I'd hate to lose her,
>as she is normally very playful and personable. She won't even come over to
>rest in my hand now, and that's not normal for her. She usually comes right
>over to be stroked when I clean the tank. And it's not abnormal for her to
>let you hand feed her. Now she is still active, but has a definate attitude!



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Thank you so much for your quick response. I looked at the puregold website,
and suspected columnaris. I'm just too new to the whole fishkeeping thing to
venture into medications without help from people like you guys. It's 5:00
am EST as I read the replies, so I'm pretty sure Joann may want me to wait a
bit before calling her. Doing so right now could result in me needing
medical help, I'm sure. :)
I'll follow with more as this situation progresses. Thanks again . . . Kevin

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[Zebulon]

> wrote in message
...
It gets
> vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
> every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons.
==============
The others have already answered your questions so I'll pass there. However
3 TBS of salt per 5g of water seems a bit much for fresh water fish.
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[Tristan]

You do not have clue CArol....
But you stil insist on thrpwing anything at all out there.


On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:16:00 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
> wrote in message
...
<<>> It gets
<<>>> vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
<<>>> every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons.
<<>>==============
<<>>The others have already answered your questions so I'll pass there. However
<<>>3 TBS of salt per 5g of water seems a bit much for fresh water fish.



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[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...

> You do not have clue CArol....
> But you stil insist on thrpwing anything at all out there.
=============================================
Like your friend said Roy Tristan Hauer,... you don't have to obsess over me
and reply to my every post.
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[Tristan]

Trust me bitch I do not mind......

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:13:50 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>
<<>>> You do not have clue CArol....
<<>>> But you stil insist on thrpwing anything at all out there.
<<>>=============================================
<<>>Like your friend said Roy Tristan Hauer,... you don't have to obsess over me
<<>>and reply to my every post.



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[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Trust me bitch I do not mind......
===========================
Prozac can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
counciling can help you get over using profanity as an ego builder. Talk to
your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications. You can live a
normal life free of hate, profanity and obsessions but you must make an
effort.

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[Tristan]

The same **** applies more to you dumbass.......


On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:57:38 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> Trust me bitch I do not mind......
<<>>===========================
<<>>Prozac can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
<<>>counciling can help you get over using profanity as an ego builder. Talk to
<<>>your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications. You can live a
<<>>normal life free of hate, profanity and obsessions but you must make an
<<>>effort.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> The same **** applies more to you dumbass.......

Here, read it again, it might get through this time.
Prozac can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
counciling can help you get over using profanity as an ego builder. Talk to
your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications. You can live a
normal life free of hate, profanity and obsessions but you must make an
effort.

--
ZB....
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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[Tristan]

Do not have a need to read your crap bitch..Your the jerk with a
problem not any one else.....well that is except perhaps for your
buddy Ed Alston.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:15:05 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> The same **** applies more to you dumbass.......
<<>>
<<>>Here, read it again, it might get through this time.
<<>>Prozac can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
<<>>counciling can help you get over using profanity as an ego builder. Talk to
<<>>your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications. You can live a
<<>>normal life free of hate, profanity and obsessions but you must make an
<<>>effort.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> Do not have a need to read your crap bitch..Your the jerk with a
> problem not any one else.....well that is except perhaps for your
> buddy Ed Alston.
===========================
You need professional help desperately Roy Tristan Hauer as I am apparently
destroying your life by merely existing. Prozac can help you get over your
obsession with me and professional counseling can help you get over using
personal attacks, fantasies and slander as an ego builder and attention
getter. Talk to your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications to
help you control yourself. You can live a normal life free of hate, lies,
feelings of inferiority and obsessions but you must make an effort to help
yourself. Don't you want to feel good about yourself again? Your Dr at the
VA can help you.

Net stalking and slandering old grandmothers and disabled veterans wont make
you the man you want to be in the eyes of the world.
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I did get a chance to do a 50% water change, and lowered the salt content by
using pure fresh dechlorinated water. I noticed that the fish all seemed to
calm down as they adjusted to the change. I plan to do another water change
tonight. I'll have to try calling Joann sometime today if I get a chance.
Hard to find the time to do it all when life is so busy. Thanks again for
the advice.

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yeah.. that is great. there is simply nothing like fresh water to help fish. I
would highly recommend the puregold goldfish list for a faster response time to your
questions. the people on the list really know their stuff. Ingrid
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup


wrote:

>I did get a chance to do a 50% water change, and lowered the salt content by
>using pure fresh dechlorinated water. I noticed that the fish all seemed to
>calm down as they adjusted to the change. I plan to do another water change
>tonight. I'll have to try calling Joann sometime today if I get a chance.
>Hard to find the time to do it all when life is so busy. Thanks again for
>the advice.



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[swarvegorilla]

sounds like fighting but.......
thats not very normal for goldys.
are the lips blackened with melanophore migration?
strange.....
is fish grubbing for algae on a rough surface?



> wrote in message
...
>I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
> long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling
> off.
> I know it irritates her, as she is having periods of thrashing about,
> trying
> to dislodge the loose pieces. Her slime coat seems ok, if a bit thicker
> than
> normal, and on occasion she will gulp water. The tank is shared with two
> male goldfish 1@ 12" and 1@ 7" long, and one female neon rainbow, and 4
> male
> neon rainbows. The rainbow's are all 2" long or less. They have gotten
> along
> well for over a year now. I lost 3 of the female rainbows a few weeks ago.
> They got very weak, and ended up floating nose up at the top of the tank.
> Once they got too weak, I had to put them down. It was a shame, but it was
> all I could do for them. Nobody seemed to know what was wrong with them. I
> think the males tormented them to death trying to mate constantly.
> The tank is a 75 gallon, half bare bottom, half natural gravel. It gets
> vacuumed once a week. The water is changed out at the rate of 15 gallons
> every other day using 3 TBS of salt per 5 gallons. The temperature, Ph,
> nitrites, nitrates and ammonia are all within normal levels. The
> water/tank/filters had gotten a bit dirty while I was sick a few weeks
> ago,
> but I got it back into condidtion as soon as my doctor would let me do the
> lifting.I suspect that she got sick from that, as I normally keep the
> tanks/filters very clean. The filters are two magnum 350 units with one
> double bio wheel set. I figured she would just heal up once the tank got
> back to normal, but even though she is doing much better, her lips are
> still
> bothering her, and have visible signs of enlarged membrane and peeling of
> same.
> Any ideas on what this may be, and/or how to cure it? I'd hate to lose
> her,
> as she is normally very playful and personable. She won't even come over
> to
> rest in my hand now, and that's not normal for her. She usually comes
> right
> over to be stroked when I clean the tank. And it's not abnormal for her to
> let you hand feed her. Now she is still active, but has a definate
> attitude!

[~ janj]

> wrote in message
>>I have a goldfish that has been doing ok for over a year. She is about 10"
>> long. Suddenly she is having problems with the skin on her lips peeling
>> off.

http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=20709&cid=3788&search=

Scroll to almost the bottom for picture, see if mouth rot isn't your
problem. ~ jan