constant algae

[Tara Legale]

I have an 8 gallon tank with some Gold X-Ray Tetras and Red Minor Serpae
Tetras. I have a 125 Biowheel for filtration. The lights are on only 6
hours a day. I do water changes every 2-3 weeks. It gets constant algae.
Brighter green algae that covers the glass and (fake) plants (comes off
fairly easy). Also if I go to the 3 week mark of doing a water change, it
will start to get a different algae on the plants only, this algae is sort
of a very dark red. I have a water test kit and nitrites, nitrates,
ammonia, etc. are all at good levels according to the kit. Why such a bad
algae problem and what can I do about it?

[Zebulon]

"Tara Legale" > wrote in message
...
>I have an 8 gallon tank with some Gold X-Ray Tetras and Red Minor Serpae
>Tetras. I have a 125 Biowheel for filtration. The lights are on only 6
>hours a day. I do water changes every 2-3 weeks. It gets constant algae.
>Brighter green algae that covers the glass and (fake) plants (comes off
>fairly easy). Also if I go to the 3 week mark of doing a water change, it
>will start to get a different algae on the plants only, this algae is sort
>of a very dark red. I have a water test kit and nitrites, nitrates,
>ammonia, etc. are all at good levels according to the kit. Why such a bad
>algae problem and what can I do about it?
=======================
More and larger partial water changes and a few small algae eaters called
otos. Does your gravel need a good vacuuming? Maybe try vacuuming the
gravel more often also.
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[Tara Legale]

Every time I do a water change it is done by doing a vacuum. This tank has
been around for 5 years. The only thing I changed about a year ago was not
having live plants any longer. They don't sell them locally, and I wasn't
having much luck keeping the ones I bought online, alive for more than a few
months. I even added one of those devices for plants... slips my mind what
they are called. Live plants certainly helped. And you know, when I vacuum
the gravel (actually crushed glass) there isn't much to be vaccumed. I
really come away with mostly tinted water.

[Zebulon]

"Tara Legale" > wrote in message
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> Every time I do a water change it is done by doing a vacuum. This tank
> has been around for 5 years. The only thing I changed about a year ago
> was not having live plants any longer. They don't sell them locally, and
> I wasn't having much luck keeping the ones I bought online, alive for more
> than a few months. I even added one of those devices for plants... slips
> my mind what they are called. Live plants certainly helped. And you
> know, when I vacuum the gravel (actually crushed glass) there isn't much
> to be vaccumed. I really come away with mostly tinted water.
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Crushed glass isn't the best bottom for live plants. Java moss and hornwart
should do OK as they don't root in and will starve out algae. Leave the
lights on at least 10 hours a day. Are there no PetsMart or Superpet stores
where you live? Almost any store that sells aquarium fish sells water
plants. Make sure they're not those houseplant cuttings some unscrupulous
places sell. Know what you're buying. :-)
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[Tara Legale]

I always thought that the more light, the more algae. I keep the tank off
all day when I'm at work, and turn it on at 5PM when I get home... off
around 11 or 11:30 when I go to bed.

I live in a small town and the closest big pet store is 100 miles. I
typically make one or two trips in the summer, never noticed any plants.
Will look when I drive there in spring.


"Zëbulon" > wrote
> Leave the lights on at least 10 hours a day. Are there no PetsMart or
> Superpet stores where you live? Almost any store that sells aquarium fish
> sells water plants. Make sure they're not those houseplant cuttings some
> unscrupulous places sell. Know what you're buying. :-)

[Zebulon]

"Tara Legale" > wrote in message
...
>I always thought that the more light, the more algae. I keep the tank off
>all day when I'm at work, and turn it on at 5PM when I get home... off
>around 11 or 11:30 when I go to bed.

I'm sorry. I was not clear on that. If you have "live plants" they must get
at least 10 hours of good strong light.

> I live in a small town and the closest big pet store is 100 miles. I
> typically make one or two trips in the summer, never noticed any plants.
> Will look when I drive there in spring.

If you do buy live plants get the low-light kind and do make sure they're
aquarium plants. Perhaps look up aquarium plants on Google, print out a few
pictures to take with you to make sure they don't get those worthless
houseplant cuttings so many places sell.

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[Tristan]

Trust me an do thers on this., CArol Gulley aka Zebulon certainly is
sorry in more ways than one! Adivce from her has been known to be
wrong and cause problems so use it with caution.


On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:17:36 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tara Legale" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>I always thought that the more light, the more algae. I keep the tank off
<<>>>all day when I'm at work, and turn it on at 5PM when I get home... off
<<>>>around 11 or 11:30 when I go to bed.
<<>>
<<>>I'm sorry. I was not clear on that. If you have "live plants" they must get
<<>>at least 10 hours of good strong light.
<<>>
<<>>> I live in a small town and the closest big pet store is 100 miles. I
<<>>> typically make one or two trips in the summer, never noticed any plants.
<<>>> Will look when I drive there in spring.
<<>>
<<>>If you do buy live plants get the low-light kind and do make sure they're
<<>>aquarium plants. Perhaps look up aquarium plants on Google, print out a few
<<>>pictures to take with you to make sure they don't get those worthless
<<>>houseplant cuttings so many places sell.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Trust me an do thers on this., CArol Gulley aka Zebulon certainly is
> sorry in more ways than one! Adivce from her has been known to be
> wrong and cause problems so use it with caution.
=============
Has been know to cause problem for who? Are you having hallucinations,
delusions again? You really need to call the VA and get back into treatment
Roy "Tristan" Hauer before you harm yourself or some innocent person.

It's a shame you insist on demeaning yourself by trolling every thread.

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[spiral_72]

Bright green algae that comes off easily? That sounds like BGA,
cyanobacteria or slime algae.... whatever you want to call it.

I've had a fight with all sorts of algae for the last several years
(6yrs?). That BGA sure makes a mess out of things. I have tried every
remedy I know of or heard of. FOR ME it has come down to two things,
actually three. You can tear the tank down and restart and hope for
the best...... use some death in a bottle available at any local
*mart, like my buddy does (and seems to work)...... or change your
lighting. I've changed mine till I was tired of fooling with it.
Different color temps, varying duration, intensity, etc.... etc.... I
finally bought a timer with multiple setpoint for purely selfish
reason. So I could see my tank lit before and after work and still
only get 10-12 hours of light. Now it runs from 7am to 11am and from
5pm to 10pm. That's nine hours of light. But, what the!? No algae.
ever. Go figure.

Take that for what it's worth.

[Dick]

On 5 Feb 2007 09:24:57 -0800, "spiral_72" > wrote:

>Bright green algae that comes off easily? That sounds like BGA,
>cyanobacteria or slime algae.... whatever you want to call it.
>
>I've had a fight with all sorts of algae for the last several years
>(6yrs?). That BGA sure makes a mess out of things. I have tried every
>remedy I know of or heard of. FOR ME it has come down to two things,
>actually three. You can tear the tank down and restart and hope for
>the best...... use some death in a bottle available at any local
>*mart, like my buddy does (and seems to work)...... or change your
>lighting. I've changed mine till I was tired of fooling with it.
>Different color temps, varying duration, intensity, etc.... etc.... I
>finally bought a timer with multiple setpoint for purely selfish
>reason. So I could see my tank lit before and after work and still
>only get 10-12 hours of light. Now it runs from 7am to 11am and from
>5pm to 10pm. That's nine hours of light. But, what the!? No algae.
>ever. Go figure.
>
>Take that for what it's worth.

There is another alternative, accept the algae as a natural part of
the aquatic environment. One of my tanks has been slowly growing red
amoeba along the water/gravel line. I worried for the first year, but
seeing no problem caused by them, I have decided, they too, are a
natural part of the system. Snails too.

We all fight for some idealized perfection without considering
accepting what is natural.

[Tristan]

Nuff said. I printed this post and have it framed and hanging over my
computer...... bless you bless you bless you.

Better get onthe flame proof suits and fire up the pumps as this group
is bound to be flamed trolled and flooded with CArol getting her
feeling hurt.............Just give her some time and she will bring in
her socks for reinforcements and this group will start going away like
rec.ponds. Hey Ed Alston aka Legion....Carol is asking for some help
here dumbass!




On 6 Feb 2007 08:25:04 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Feb 4, 11:59?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>(Snipped)
<<>>>
<<>>> > Trust me an do thers on this., CArol Gulley aka Zebulon certainly is
<<>>> > sorry in more ways than one! Adivce from (er has been known to be
<<>>> > wrong and cause problems so use it with caution.
<<>>>
<<>>> =============
<<>>> Has been know to cause problem for who?
re you having hallucinations,
<<>>> delusions again? ou really need to call the VA and get back into treatment
<<>>
<<>>This is a good example of exatly what you do around here.
<<>>You have been known on many occasions to give out bad, bogus, false,
<<>>misleading, or incomplete information which could in turn cause
<<>>problems for people who do not know any better. This is what Tristian
<<>>is refering to. As for your Q on "problems for *who*?" Ask the
<<>>countless people on many groups (this is only one of them, and you
<<>>killed Rec.ponds) who you constantly argue with. What a loaded Q that
<<>>was, and yes...I know you'll have plenty to say about it. That's
<<>>exactly why you said that. So you could start an argument about it and
<<>>try and turn it around on the person who answers to it.
<<>>This new person was just being warned about your "habits".
<<>>A reply by you about what I've just said will be a prime example of
<<>>what I have just explained to the new person. So please go ahead and
<<>>show them what you're like. You've already let loose with insults to
<<>>Tristian.
<<>>



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[Tynk]

On Feb 4, 11:59�pm, Z�bulon > wrote:
(Snipped)
>
> > Trust me an do thers on this., CArol Gulley aka Zebulon certainly is
> > sorry in more ways than one! Adivce from *her has been known to be
> > wrong and cause problems so use it with caution.
>
> =============
> Has been know to cause problem for who? *Are you having hallucinations,
> delusions again? *You really need to call the VA and get back into treatment

This is a good example of exatly what you do around here.
You have been known on many occasions to give out bad, bogus, false,
misleading, or incomplete information which could in turn cause
problems for people who do not know any better. This is what Tristian
is refering to. As for your Q on "problems for *who*?" Ask the
countless people on many groups (this is only one of them, and you
killed Rec.ponds) who you constantly argue with. What a loaded Q that
was, and yes...I know you'll have plenty to say about it. That's
exactly why you said that. So you could start an argument about it and
try and turn it around on the person who answers to it.
This new person was just being warned about your "habits".
A reply by you about what I've just said will be a prime example of
what I have just explained to the new person. So please go ahead and
show them what you're like. You've already let loose with insults to
Tristian.

[spiral_72]

That's amazing. I've been gone off of the Google forums for almost a
year now. This Carol thing was going on for at least A YEAR! What's up
with that!?

[Tristan]

Guess again..........much much longer than a year...........

On 6 Feb 2007 09:04:38 -0800, "spiral_72" > wrote:

<<>>That's amazing. I've been gone off of the Google forums for almost a
<<>>year now. This Carol thing was going on for at least A YEAR! What's up
<<>>with that!?



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[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
Just give her some time and she will bring in
> her socks for reinforcements and this group will start going away like
> rec.ponds.
===================
You're destroying this NG just like you and Antonio did rec.ponds with your
obsession to drive off several people who have had the nerve to disagree
with you. Eventually all these groups will have to be moderated since your
victims are not leaving as you demand they do by harassing and slandering
them, and disrupting these groups.

I'm not responsible for your outrageous destructive behavior.
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[Tristan]

yea right, seems I have never seen any post by you here so I take it
your just a troll also. It would be in your best interests to shuyt
the hellup an dpay it no attention.....less yu want to prolong this
crap, if so feel free to throw your dog off the porch and go for it.





On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:59:54 GMT, "Tara Legale"
> wrote:

<<>>Thanks a lot you two for polluting my thread.
<<>>
<<>>And a genuine thank you to those who gave advice.
<<>>
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tara Legale]

Thanks a lot you two for polluting my thread.

And a genuine thank you to those who gave advice.

[Jen]

Would you shut up about all that too. I've already had to killfile three
people because of all this ****. If you keep going I'll have to killfile
you as well.


Jen


"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 4, 11:59?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
(Snipped)
>
> > Trust me an do thers on this., CArol Gulley aka Zebulon certainly is
> > sorry in more ways than one! Adivce from her has been known to be
> > wrong and cause problems so use it with caution.
>
> =============
> Has been know to cause problem for who? Are you having hallucinations,
> delusions again? You really need to call the VA and get back into
> treatment

This is a good example of exatly what you do around here.
You have been known on many occasions to give out bad, bogus, false,
misleading, or incomplete information which could in turn cause
problems for people who do not know any better. This is what Tristian
is refering to. As for your Q on "problems for *who*?" Ask the
countless people on many groups (this is only one of them, and you
killed Rec.ponds) who you constantly argue with. What a loaded Q that
was, and yes...I know you'll have plenty to say about it. That's
exactly why you said that. So you could start an argument about it and
try and turn it around on the person who answers to it.
This new person was just being warned about your "habits".
A reply by you about what I've just said will be a prime example of
what I have just explained to the new person. So please go ahead and
show them what you're like. You've already let loose with insults to
Tristian.

[Carols Nightmare]

I think Tara Legale's algae problem arises form her dropping food into
the tank and adding nutrients. Seems somneone that weighs as much as
she does at her height would have to be constantly shoving food in
their mouth. 280 pounds 4'9" and she brags that is nbot her heaviest
weight....duh! She needs to be worrying more on lipo suction and a
big tummy tuck than algae ina fish tank.......Eats pancake syrup for
energy....one sick old idiot badly overdue slaughter. Hogs here are
slaughtered at 250 pounds whats your excuse Tara......Fat obesse
people are pityfull almost as pityful as CArol Gulley is. Maybe if yu
chow down on that algae you would not be getting as much nutrients
yourself!........Does rolling to get where you want to go have any
added benefits over walking? Inquiring minds want to know! I bet its
been a long time sinc eyu r able to wipe yur ass without help, huh? I
bet you forget what your toes even look like..........obesity is
laziness.

[Tara Legale]

I don't weight what you said and I'm not that short. But hey, you seem all
too happy to stalk me from group to group. Get a life. And to Tristan, I'm
not a troll... look in the mirror. Reply if you want but I'm killfilling
both of you right now. <FLUSH>

[Finzeo]

"Tara Legale" > wrote in message
...
>I don't weight what you said and I'm not that short. But hey, you seem all
>too happy to stalk me from group to group. Get a life. And to Tristan,
>I'm not a troll... look in the mirror. Reply if you want but I'm
>killfilling both of you right now. <FLUSH>

The jerk who posts as Carols Nightmare *IS* Tristan aka Roy Hauer. He's net
stalking you, Carol, Gail and probably others. .

[Tynk]

On Feb 6, 10:02�pm, "Jen" > wrote:

> Would you shut up about all that too. *I've already had to killfile three
> people because of all this ****. *If you keep going I'll have to killfile
> you as well.
>
> Jen
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message

> This is a good example of exatly what you do around here.
> You have been known on many occasions to give out bad, bogus, false,
> misleading, or incomplete information which could in turn cause
> problems for people who do not know any better. This is what Tristian
> is refering to. As for your Q on "problems for *who*?" Ask the
> countless people on many groups (this is only one of them, and you
> killed Rec.ponds) who you constantly argue with. What a loaded Q that
> was, and yes...I know you'll have plenty to say about it. That's
> exactly why you said that. So you could start an argument about it and
> try and turn it around on the person who answers to it.
> This new person was just being warned about your "habits".
> A reply by you about what I've just said will be a prime example of
> what I have just explained to the new person. So please go ahead and
> show them what you're like. You've already let loose with insults to
> Tristian.


Jen,
If you choose to killfile me, that is your choice. It would be your
loss, as I have many years of experience and a wealth of knowldege for
anyone to use. However, unlike some people when I do not know
something, I either don't make a reply or outright say I don't know.
I don't ever try and make something up just to make a reply, or reply
to somebody just for the sake of making a reply (like some do) without
ever giving correct information.
I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
about that.
For years she has been doing this and then when she's corrected or
told that much more info was needed she whines about how she is being
attacked or when somebody disagrees with her she's being attacked or
that only *my* info is correct. What she doesn't know is that I speak
of facts (which can easily be checked) or when I make an opinion, I
say it's my opinion. She uses her opinion as facts all too often. She
also makes no distinction between them. A newbie would not know the
difference, and many times they need to.
I'm not going to waste anymore space on her, as anyone that actually
reads her rantings can see how she manipulates words, or phrases and
turns it around on the person she is replying to. It's one of her
specialties. Refer to her reply to me in this very thread. She says :

As for your Q on "problems for *who*?" Ask the
countless people on many groups (this is only one of them, and you
killed Rec.ponds) who you constantly argue with.


* I have never had anyone claim I killed their fish so I'm clueless
as to
what people you're talking about.


You see how she did that. Did I say that she killed people's fish?
Nope. However, it was bait for an argument (which I refuse to take).
This has gone on for many years and it doesn't appear that she will be
stopping unless the group is moderated.