it's great to find this group!

[Sean]

I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?

and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.

thanks!

[Tristan]

Hate to tell you but I can't see you so I have no clue where your at.
Fishmarkets are where you buy fish to eat, pet shops or LFS are
where you buy fish for pets...! So I suggest you set down and compose
yourself and make a post folks can actually understand.

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:00:37 -0500, "Sean" >
wrote:

<<>>I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
<<>>here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
<<>>
<<>>and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
<<>>puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
<<>>
<<>>thanks!



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[Gail Futoran]

"Sean" > wrote in message
...
> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish
> markets here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
>
> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy
> some puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
>
> thanks!

Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
be aggressive and some can get very large.
I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
Many pet shops can't tell the difference
between different types of puffers when
young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
are hard to misidentify.

Skunk botia remain relatively small - 2" and
very thin. They tend to hide so I make sure
to provide cave-like decorations for them.
My YoYo loaches love hiding in PVC pipe.
They can get to 4" but are non-aggressive.
I have otos and cory cats in the same tanks as
the skunk botia and YoYo loaches and there
is no fighting.

Gail

[Tynk]

On Feb 6, 12:00?am, "Sean" > wrote:
> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
> here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
>
> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
> puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
>
> thanks!

Welcome to the group.
However, you didn't mention where you are located, or even what part
of the world.
So in order to help further, you'll need to say where you are located.
Also, list what size tank you have, how long it's been up and running,
what fish you have in it, and how many of each.
Is it heated, filtered, and what's your water change schedule like. Do
you have hard, soft, alkaline, acidic or neutral water will help as
well.

[Z?bulon]

"Sean" > wrote in message
...
> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
> here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?

Look for privately owned stores. They're always my first choice. Second
choice are the large chains such as Pet Supermarket or PetsMart.


> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
> puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.

When I added a few clown loaches to a snail infested 55g tank the snails
were soon history


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[Tristan]

Well look at here, The Great infamous asshole Gail is alive and
kicking.,,,,what happened bitch they kick youoff the mod team.....you
dumb bitch!
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:06:11 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:

<<>>"Sean" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish
<<>>> markets here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
<<>>>
<<>>> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy
<<>>> some puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
<<>>>
<<>>> thanks!
<<>>
<<>>Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
<<>>have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
<<>>job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
<<>>be aggressive and some can get very large.
<<>>I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
<<>>puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
<<>>Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
<<>>Many pet shops can't tell the difference
<<>>between different types of puffers when
<<>>young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
<<>>are hard to misidentify.
<<>>
<<>>Skunk botia remain relatively small - 2" and
<<>>very thin. They tend to hide so I make sure
<<>>to provide cave-like decorations for them.
<<>>My YoYo loaches love hiding in PVC pipe.
<<>>They can get to 4" but are non-aggressive.
<<>>I have otos and cory cats in the same tanks as
<<>>the skunk botia and YoYo loaches and there
<<>>is no fighting.
<<>>
<<>>Gail
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Can't you ever say anything thats orginal Carol. Your like a broken
record . How can a stupid ass like you say so much yet never say a dam
thing? Your are strange indeed.





On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:13:37 -0600, "Z?bulon" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Sean" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
<<>>> here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
<<>>
<<>>Look for privately owned stores. They're always my first choice. Second
<<>>choice are the large chains such as Pet Supermarket or PetsMart.
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
<<>>> puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
<<>>
<<>>When I added a few clown loaches to a snail infested 55g tank the snails
<<>>were soon history



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Only thing dwarf about it is your brain size.........


On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:06:11 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:

<<>>"Sean" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish
<<>>> markets here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
<<>>>
<<>>> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy
<<>>> some puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
<<>>>
<<>>> thanks!
<<>>
<<>>Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
<<>>have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
<<>>job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
<<>>be aggressive and some can get very large.
<<>>I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
<<>>puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
<<>>Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
<<>>Many pet shops can't tell the difference
<<>>between different types of puffers when
<<>>young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
<<>>are hard to misidentify.
<<>>
<<>>Skunk botia remain relatively small - 2" and
<<>>very thin. They tend to hide so I make sure
<<>>to provide cave-like decorations for them.
<<>>My YoYo loaches love hiding in PVC pipe.
<<>>They can get to 4" but are non-aggressive.
<<>>I have otos and cory cats in the same tanks as
<<>>the skunk botia and YoYo loaches and there
<<>>is no fighting.
<<>>
<<>>Gail
<<>>



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[Sean]

I'm sorry for my poor English, :)

"Tristan" > 写入消�
...
>
>
> Hate to tell you but I can't see you so I have no clue where your at.
> Fishmarkets are where you buy fish to eat, pet shops or LFS are
> where you buy fish for pets...! So I suggest you set down and compose
> yourself and make a post folks can actually understand.
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:00:37 -0500, "Sean" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish
> markets
> <<>>here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
> <<>>
> <<>>and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy
> some
> <<>>puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
> <<>>
> <<>>thanks!
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
>

[Sean]

Thanks a lot.
yep, It's what I worry about that puffers can be aggressive since I have a
lot of young mollies ...
As what you said, I think Skunk botia or YoYo loaches maybe better choice.


"Gail Futoran" > дÈëÏûÏ¢
...
> "Sean" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
>> here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
>>
>> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
>> puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
>>
>> thanks!
>
> Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
> have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
> job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
> be aggressive and some can get very large.
> I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
> puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
> Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
> Many pet shops can't tell the difference
> between different types of puffers when
> young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
> are hard to misidentify.
>
> Skunk botia remain relatively small - 2" and
> very thin. They tend to hide so I make sure
> to provide cave-like decorations for them.
> My YoYo loaches love hiding in PVC pipe.
> They can get to 4" but are non-aggressive.
> I have otos and cory cats in the same tanks as
> the skunk botia and YoYo loaches and there
> is no fighting.
>
> Gail
>
>

[Sean]

I'm sorry I forgot it. I'm UVa, Charlottesville now. It's the news group of
UVa, isn't it?

And I have a 10 gallon tank with filter, light, and heated also. It's been
up and running for several monthes with 4 grown mollies and more than 15
young mollies.

and i plan to buy another tank.

thanks.

"Tynk" > ????
oups.com...
> On Feb 6, 12:00?am, "Sean" > wrote:
>> I'm here only several months and don't know well about the fish markets
>> here. Can some guys recommend some good fish shop?
>>
>> and my aquarium is full of snails now and I'm wonder if I should buy some
>> puffers to eat them, but I cann't find a shop to buy them.
>>
>> thanks!
>
> Welcome to the group.
> However, you didn't mention where you are located, or even what part
> of the world.
> So in order to help further, you'll need to say where you are located.
> Also, list what size tank you have, how long it's been up and running,
> what fish you have in it, and how many of each.
> Is it heated, filtered, and what's your water change schedule like. Do
> you have hard, soft, alkaline, acidic or neutral water will help as
> well.
>
>

[Don Freeman]

"Sean" > wrote in message
...
> I'm sorry I forgot it. I'm UVa, Charlottesville now. It's the news group
> of UVa, isn't it?
>

No this is a world-wide USENET group.

[Tristan]

No, Its Carol Gulleys aka Zebulons own personal usenet group run out
of a trailer park in Mt. Juliet, TN. Carol Gulley.......the purveyor
of erroneous info in regards to Fish and ponds and do it your self
health care and her infamous posts on how to keep a husband!


On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:35:37 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Sean" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> I'm sorry I forgot it. I'm UVa, Charlottesville now. It's the news group
<<>>> of UVa, isn't it?
<<>>>
<<>>
<<>>No this is a world-wide USENET group.
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Hey Don

Please feel free to do what you feel must be done. I defend my right
to point out to folks how wrong CArols info is, and as long as she and
Ed Alston continue to trash the reef group I will continue to ride
herd on the idiot........Kill file away, if yu want. I am not in this
group or any other for celebrity status or for attention....I just
hate it that CArol Gulley and Ed Alston decided to hang their hat
here....and trash the group. Look around Don, and ask who really is
the trouble maker, not me....For every post I make to or not directed
to Carol at least half a dozen other posts show up in regards to me
all from CArol Gulley........look at the reef group, that CArol and Ed
decided to trash when they found out that I and another person that
frequents this and other aquaria forums also posted there. There is
perhaps 10 regular users in the reef forum, yet look at all the
Bellsouth and Teranews and Big Gulp and Greatnowhere posts that area
all known and verified user id's of CArol and Eds that have trashed it
as well as other aquaria groups......Also ask yurself why and where
all the other old timers went. Carol can not resist mixing it up and
getting attention and its easy to see with her constant hassles she
envolkes with most all folks that still try to make something out of
these trashed groups.

Sorry Don, I will be here riding herd on CArol as best I can exposing
her for what its worth as long as she is alive and breathing and
posting on usenet.........May as well make a kill filter and use it.



On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> No, Its Carol Gulleys aka Zebulons own personal usenet group run out
<<>>> of a trailer park in Mt. Juliet, TN. Carol Gulley.......the purveyor
<<>>> of erroneous info in regards to Fish and ponds and do it your self
<<>>> health care and her infamous posts on how to keep a husband!
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>Trisan, I've refrained so far from placing you in my killfile due to that
<<>>fact that when you aren't ranting about Ms. Gulley (which is all to frequent
<<>>by the way) you actually post useful information. But if you continue to
<<>>interject your crusade (or whatever you want to call it) into threads that
<<>>have nothing to do with it I will refrain no longer.
<<>>
<<>>Thanks,
<<>>-Don



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[Don Freeman]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> No, Its Carol Gulleys aka Zebulons own personal usenet group run out
> of a trailer park in Mt. Juliet, TN. Carol Gulley.......the purveyor
> of erroneous info in regards to Fish and ponds and do it your self
> health care and her infamous posts on how to keep a husband!
>
>
Trisan, I've refrained so far from placing you in my killfile due to that
fact that when you aren't ranting about Ms. Gulley (which is all to frequent
by the way) you actually post useful information. But if you continue to
interject your crusade (or whatever you want to call it) into threads that
have nothing to do with it I will refrain no longer.

Thanks,
-Don
--
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)



> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:35:37 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Sean" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>> I'm sorry I forgot it. I'm UVa, Charlottesville now. It's the news
> group
> <<>>> of UVa, isn't it?
> <<>>>
> <<>>
> <<>>No this is a world-wide USENET group.
> <<>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Now that was not so hard was it Don?




On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:25:54 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> Hey Don
<<>>>
<<>>> May as well make a kill filter and use it.
<<>>
<<>>Done.
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
<<>>> wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
<<>>> ...
<<>>> <<>>>
<<>>> <<>>>
<<>>> <<>>> No, Its Carol Gulleys aka Zebulons own personal usenet group run
<<>>> out
<<>>> <<>>> of a trailer park in Mt. Juliet, TN. Carol Gulley.......the purveyor
<<>>> <<>>> of erroneous info in regards to Fish and ponds and do it your self
<<>>> <<>>> health care and her infamous posts on how to keep a husband!
<<>>> <<>>>
<<>>> <<>>>
<<>>> <<>>Trisan, I've refrained so far from placing you in my killfile due to
<<>>> that
<<>>> <<>>fact that when you aren't ranting about Ms. Gulley (which is all to
<<>>> frequent
<<>>> <<>>by the way) you actually post useful information. But if you continue
<<>>> to
<<>>> <<>>interject your crusade (or whatever you want to call it) into threads
<<>>> that
<<>>> <<>>have nothing to do with it I will refrain no longer.
<<>>> <<>>
<<>>> <<>>Thanks,
<<>>> <<>>-Don
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> -------
<<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Don Freeman]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Hey Don
>
> May as well make a kill filter and use it.

Done.



>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:03:39 -0800, "Don Freeman" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> No, Its Carol Gulleys aka Zebulons own personal usenet group run
> out
> <<>>> of a trailer park in Mt. Juliet, TN. Carol Gulley.......the purveyor
> <<>>> of erroneous info in regards to Fish and ponds and do it your self
> <<>>> health care and her infamous posts on how to keep a husband!
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>Trisan, I've refrained so far from placing you in my killfile due to
> that
> <<>>fact that when you aren't ranting about Ms. Gulley (which is all to
> frequent
> <<>>by the way) you actually post useful information. But if you continue
> to
> <<>>interject your crusade (or whatever you want to call it) into threads
> that
> <<>>have nothing to do with it I will refrain no longer.
> <<>>
> <<>>Thanks,
> <<>>-Don
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

Gail Futoran wrote:

>
> Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
> have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
> job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
> be aggressive and some can get very large.
> I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
> puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
> Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
> Many pet shops can't tell the difference
> between different types of puffers when
> young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
> are hard to misidentify.

Gail is quite right here.....yes there are some puffers that remain
small and can survive in freshwater....however the majority are brackish
at best and really do better in sal****er.....If you do want a puffer
then you really have to go out there and get your google finger working
and check that you are buying the right one and then some....you need to
make sure what you are being sold labelled as the one you want is indeed
the correct one.....

Most members of the botia family will eat snails....some are
better/quicker at it than others.....

When it comes to your choice of loaches you have a couple of things to
consider....firstly the size of your tank, which you haven't mentioned
yet.....Clown Loaches although way the best at demolishing snails do not
always do well in a small tank and have the potential to grow
big....(I'm talking 12" eventual size) - Yoyos can grow up to 4" in size
quite quickly - I know so because I have a number of them - along with
Clowns......and no botia loach is happy kept on its own...they are
social creatures and keeping any less than three and peferably more is
cruel....they need their own kind.....

If your tank is small then you can look at alternative methods of
controlling your snail population....one way to do it is to drop a bit
of lettuce, cucumber or courgette (zucchini) into the tank at lights out
and then pick it out in the morning - it will be covered in
snails....keep doing this until your population is under control....


Gill

[Sean]

You're very professional, thanks a lot!

"Gill Passman" > 写入消�
...
> Gail Futoran wrote:
>
>>
>> Check for Skunk botia or YoYo loaches. I
>> have both (separate tanks) and they do a good
>> job of keeping snails in check. Puffers can
>> be aggressive and some can get very large.
>> I bought what I thought were two "dwarf"
>> puffers, that turned out to be Green Spotted
>> Puffers and soon outgrew the original tank.
>> Many pet shops can't tell the difference
>> between different types of puffers when
>> young, but Skunk botia and YoYo loaches
>> are hard to misidentify.
>
> Gail is quite right here.....yes there are some puffers that remain small
> and can survive in freshwater....however the majority are brackish at best
> and really do better in sal****er.....If you do want a puffer then you
> really have to go out there and get your google finger working and check
> that you are buying the right one and then some....you need to make sure
> what you are being sold labelled as the one you want is indeed the correct
> one.....
>
> Most members of the botia family will eat snails....some are
> better/quicker at it than others.....
>
> When it comes to your choice of loaches you have a couple of things to
> consider....firstly the size of your tank, which you haven't mentioned
> yet.....Clown Loaches although way the best at demolishing snails do not
> always do well in a small tank and have the potential to grow big....(I'm
> talking 12" eventual size) - Yoyos can grow up to 4" in size quite
> quickly - I know so because I have a number of them - along with
> Clowns......and no botia loach is happy kept on its own...they are social
> creatures and keeping any less than three and peferably more is
> cruel....they need their own kind.....
>
> If your tank is small then you can look at alternative methods of
> controlling your snail population....one way to do it is to drop a bit of
> lettuce, cucumber or courgette (zucchini) into the tank at lights out and
> then pick it out in the morning - it will be covered in snails....keep
> doing this until your population is under control....
>
>
> Gill
>
>

[Alpha]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Hey Don
>
> Please feel free to do what you feel must be done.

PLONK PLONK PLONK.

[Alpha]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> Can't you ever say anything thats orginal Carol. Your like a broken
> record . How can a stupid ass like you say so much yet never say a dam
> thing? Your are strange indeed.

You are the biggest freakin idiot on here. GO AWAY!!!!!

[JohnS]

Stupid fool your destroying so many groups.

PLONK

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Hey Don
>

hate spew removed