Someone explain reason behind this

[Tristan]

I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
not used to.

So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt water
fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.

I have fed what I wanted to feed all the time and as long as the fish
etc eat what I give them thats fine.......and have never had problems.
So whats everyone else's take on this? I have a bunch of cichlids that
will tear up my home brew frozen SW ifsh food which is mainly chopped
and diced and pureeded shrimp, krill, mysid, scallops, clams and
muscles and squid and assorted what ever is cheapest at the time some
kind of SW fish.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

Tristan wrote:
> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
> not used to.

Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and FW to
SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice versa...


>
> So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
> krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt water
> fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
> varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
> survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
> with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.

See above....looks like we have heard the same thing....

Gill

[Tristan]

Your way of thinking is also how I view it. Seems some online web
based forums do not view it that way....After all thats the reasoning
used behind hyposalinity with SW fish to rid a fish of parasites etc,
introduce it to FW so organisms are killed off........Add salt to FW
so those organisms are killed off..on FW fish etc.....All I know is I
have never had problems with what I feed to who so I guess there is
no need to change or modify it.



On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:41 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Tristan wrote:
<<>>> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
<<>>> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
<<>>> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
<<>>> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
<<>>> not used to.
<<>>
<<>>Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and FW to
<<>>SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice versa...
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>>
<<>>> So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
<<>>> krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt water
<<>>> fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
<<>>> varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
<<>>> survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
<<>>> with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.
<<>>
<<>>See above....looks like we have heard the same thing....
<<>>
<<>>Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pszemol]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message ...
> Tristan wrote:
>> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
>> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
>> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
>> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
>> not used to.
>
> Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and FW to
> SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice versa...

From the point of view of pathogens, freshwater foods are probably
more safe to sal****er fish and vice versa... quite obvious.

The problem with feeding foods from different environment is
in my opinion related more to nutrition composition - feeding
freshwater animals to marine predators would probably cause
malnutrition since freshwater foods did not grow eating marine
plankton but rather terrestial plants, insects, fruits - different
food chain. Marine fish should eat marine foods rich in fatty
acids and nutrients found in the sea not terrestial plants, right?

[Gill Passman]

Pszemol wrote:


> The problem with feeding foods from different environment is
> in my opinion related more to nutrition composition - feeding
> freshwater animals to marine predators would probably cause
> malnutrition since freshwater foods did not grow eating marine
> plankton but rather terrestial plants, insects, fruits - different
> food chain. Marine fish should eat marine foods rich in fatty
> acids and nutrients found in the sea not terrestial plants, right?


Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease prevention
point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional requirements
differ....so if you feed FW fish exclusively on stuff from SW then you
are storing up health problems with liver/kidney/mineral
deficiency...and if you feed SW exclusively a freshwater diet you are
depriving them of the high protein diet and the type of plant matter
they can naturally digest....

Now logic would actually suggest that FW eat FW stuff and SW eat SW
stuff....but there are a number of articles that suggest that this is
the wrong way to go in terms of controlling disease and pathogens....but
nutritionally it doesn't make sense....

So by following this doctorate are we actually shortening the lives of
our fish and critters by protecting them from disease in the short term
only to get long term health issues? Or should we actually be
concentrating on finding healthy foodstuffs free of pathogens for both
our freshwater and sal****er buddies?

Gill

[Tristan]

Dunno, but I have a hard time beliveing that food stuff harvested from
FW or SW is really handled so that it is not a cesspool of pathogens
fron setting in the sun, becoming warm etc etc., Afterall its a fish
etc that is eating it, and who could tell one way or another if lousy
substance was indeed the problem, or how it was handled or how it was
stored and handled by vendor.......there is a long list of "what ifs"
in regards to decent food.....Heck we all know food destined for human
consumption is also not handled properly.........nor is feed stuff
intended for cows and other domestic critters made and stored
properly....
My wife is always condeming trailer loads of foods destined for
grocery stores all due to handling issues........so we can allpretty
well assure outselves pet foods are probably a deplorable
substance....then again animals can usually tolerate foods that a
human being could not dream of eating.........so maybe short of
nutrion its all not worth while being concerned with if your buying
spoiled frozen or stuff thats worth the price they ask.

I guess I will go on with making and feeding my home brew SW foods,
and also feed it to those FW fish that will eat it.....supplement what
I make with decent brand name at least pelleted feeds on both ends FW
and SW.
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:13 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Pszemol wrote:
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>> The problem with feeding foods from different environment is
<<>>> in my opinion related more to nutrition composition - feeding
<<>>> freshwater animals to marine predators would probably cause
<<>>> malnutrition since freshwater foods did not grow eating marine
<<>>> plankton but rather terrestial plants, insects, fruits - different
<<>>> food chain. Marine fish should eat marine foods rich in fatty
<<>>> acids and nutrients found in the sea not terrestial plants, right?
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
<<>>stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease prevention
<<>>point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional requirements
<<>>differ....so if you feed FW fish exclusively on stuff from SW then you
<<>>are storing up health problems with liver/kidney/mineral
<<>>deficiency...and if you feed SW exclusively a freshwater diet you are
<<>>depriving them of the high protein diet and the type of plant matter
<<>>they can naturally digest....
<<>>
<<>>Now logic would actually suggest that FW eat FW stuff and SW eat SW
<<>>stuff....but there are a number of articles that suggest that this is
<<>>the wrong way to go in terms of controlling disease and pathogens....but
<<>>nutritionally it doesn't make sense....
<<>>
<<>>So by following this doctorate are we actually shortening the lives of
<<>>our fish and critters by protecting them from disease in the short term
<<>>only to get long term health issues? Or should we actually be
<<>>concentrating on finding healthy foodstuffs free of pathogens for both
<<>>our freshwater and sal****er buddies?
<<>>
<<>>Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pszemol]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message ...
> Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
> stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
> prevention point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional requirements
> differ....

There is no dilema!
Deep frozen stuff you buy for your fish
is pathogen free and safe to feed to your pets...
Unless you feed live foods you should be perfectly fine.
The best food for marine animals is marine in origin.

[KurtG]

Tristan wrote:
> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
> not used to.

In my short time, I've learned that there are lots of conflicting
theories and many "theories" are driven by superstition. I try to be
very objective and rational about how this works, but I think I also
have superstitions that I need to be wary of.

For instance, I was missing another blue damsel that I promptly blamed
on my green brittle star, and I was plotting it's demise for a few days.
Turns out that the damsel is alive and well, but spends most of it's
time in the rock work. I think the two other blue damsels paired off,
so this one is not only out of luck, but fears for it's life.

--Kurt

[cat daddy]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> > Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
> > stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
> > prevention point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional
requirements
> > differ....
>
> There is no dilema!
> Deep frozen stuff you buy for your fish
> is pathogen free and safe to feed to your pets...

In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law to be
used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.
Ethoxyquin is listed and identified as a hazardous chemical by OSHA, the
Department of Agriculture lists and controls Ethoxyquin as a pesticide and
is a suspected carcinogen. Potentially cancer-causing agents such as BHA,
BHT, and ethoxyquin are permitted at relatively low levels, but the only
study was carried out by Monsanto itself.

> Unless you feed live foods you should be perfectly fine.
> The best food for marine animals is marine in origin.

[Pszemol]

"cat daddy" > wrote in message ...
> In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law
> to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.

Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?

I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp

For example: "Frozen Krill"
List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%

Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?

[cat daddy]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "cat daddy" > wrote in message
...
> > In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law
> > to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.
>
> Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?

Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal law
requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law supposedly
also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if it's
added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third party.

> I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
> The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
> http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp
>
> For example: "Frozen Krill"
> List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%
>
> Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?

http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95

http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/2005/05/effects-of-ethoxyquin-and-other-hc.html

http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin

http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-32586.html
Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin

You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin, krill" to
see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.

[Guayni SAHS]

The reason behind using SW food with SW fauna is its components.
A sal****er fish needs proteins and other nutrients in a specific ratio.
They evolved obtaining those nutrients in a certain ratio that is default in
SW food.
Is like feeding Eucalyptus leafs to a Panda and Bamboo leafs to a Koala.
Each leaf contains the necessary nutrients to feed either animal; but...
Pandas evolved a digestive system specific to Bamboo leafs and this system
is waiting for the ratio of nutrients found only in this leafs.
Same goes with Koalas, they only feed in Eucalyptus leafs.
Will Koalas survive in a diet of processed and compressed Bamboo leafs?
probably but will be subject to malnutrition. Same with Pandas.
I know, these examples are a little exaggeration but serve to explain the
importance of feeding the proper food to our species.

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
>> stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
>> prevention point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional
>> requirements differ....
>
> There is no dilema!
> Deep frozen stuff you buy for your fish
> is pathogen free and safe to feed to your pets...
> Unless you feed live foods you should be perfectly fine.
> The best food for marine animals is marine in origin.

[popTART]

Why is it you're not trashing this group Tristan? Why are you only trashing
the other aquarium groups? What's the rational behind it? What's the reason?
Inquiring minds would like to know. Is it because Granny and the Gail don't
post here by any chance?

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
> not used to.
>
> So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
> krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt water
> fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
> varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
> survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
> with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.
>
> I have fed what I wanted to feed all the time and as long as the fish
> etc eat what I give them thats fine.......and have never had problems.
> So whats everyone else's take on this? I have a bunch of cichlids that
> will tear up my home brew frozen SW ifsh food which is mainly chopped
> and diced and pureeded shrimp, krill, mysid, scallops, clams and
> muscles and squid and assorted what ever is cheapest at the time some
> kind of SW fish.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[popTART]

We never had a problem on the other aquarium groups until you came along and
trashed our groups. Why is that Tristan? Why trash several other groups and
not this one? What's different about this group? Why do you feel the other
groups don't deserve peace but this one does? Tell us why you troll the
other groups and not this one.


"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Your way of thinking is also how I view it. Seems some online web
> based forums do not view it that way....After all thats the reasoning
> used behind hyposalinity with SW fish to rid a fish of parasites etc,
> introduce it to FW so organisms are killed off........Add salt to FW
> so those organisms are killed off..on FW fish etc.....All I know is I
> have never had problems with what I feed to who so I guess there is
> no need to change or modify it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:41 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Tristan wrote:
> <<>>> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
> <<>>> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
> <<>>> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
> <<>>> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
> <<>>> not used to.
> <<>>
> <<>>Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and FW
> to
> <<>>SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice
> versa...
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
> <<>>> krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt
> water
> <<>>> fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
> <<>>> varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
> <<>>> survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
> <<>>> with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.
> <<>>
> <<>>See above....looks like we have heard the same thing....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Finzeo]

I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other posters. Why
is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune from your
attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond, goldfish and
misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy Tristan, for
destroying all those other groups. You even invaded the rose group to get to
your victim Gail. If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop
calling the women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit
suicide as you did Ed Alston?


"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dunno, but I have a hard time beliveing that food stuff harvested from
> FW or SW is really handled so that it is not a cesspool of pathogens
> fron setting in the sun, becoming warm etc etc., Afterall its a fish
> etc that is eating it, and who could tell one way or another if lousy
> substance was indeed the problem, or how it was handled or how it was
> stored and handled by vendor.......there is a long list of "what ifs"
> in regards to decent food.....Heck we all know food destined for human
> consumption is also not handled properly.........nor is feed stuff
> intended for cows and other domestic critters made and stored
> properly....
> My wife is always condeming trailer loads of foods destined for
> grocery stores all due to handling issues........so we can allpretty
> well assure outselves pet foods are probably a deplorable
> substance....then again animals can usually tolerate foods that a
> human being could not dream of eating.........so maybe short of
> nutrion its all not worth while being concerned with if your buying
> spoiled frozen or stuff thats worth the price they ask.
>
> I guess I will go on with making and feeding my home brew SW foods,
> and also feed it to those FW fish that will eat it.....supplement what
> I make with decent brand name at least pelleted feeds on both ends FW
> and SW.
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:13 +0000, Gill Passman
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>Pszemol wrote:
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>> The problem with feeding foods from different environment is
> <<>>> in my opinion related more to nutrition composition - feeding
> <<>>> freshwater animals to marine predators would probably cause
> <<>>> malnutrition since freshwater foods did not grow eating marine
> <<>>> plankton but rather terrestial plants, insects, fruits - different
> <<>>> food chain. Marine fish should eat marine foods rich in fatty
> <<>>> acids and nutrients found in the sea not terrestial plants, right?
> <<>>
> <<>>
> <<>>Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
> <<>>stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
> prevention
> <<>>point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional requirements
> <<>>differ....so if you feed FW fish exclusively on stuff from SW then you
> <<>>are storing up health problems with liver/kidney/mineral
> <<>>deficiency...and if you feed SW exclusively a freshwater diet you are
> <<>>depriving them of the high protein diet and the type of plant matter
> <<>>they can naturally digest....
> <<>>
> <<>>Now logic would actually suggest that FW eat FW stuff and SW eat SW
> <<>>stuff....but there are a number of articles that suggest that this is
> <<>>the wrong way to go in terms of controlling disease and
> pathogens....but
> <<>>nutritionally it doesn't make sense....
> <<>>
> <<>>So by following this doctorate are we actually shortening the lives of
> <<>>our fish and critters by protecting them from disease in the short
> term
> <<>>only to get long term health issues? Or should we actually be
> <<>>concentrating on finding healthy foodstuffs free of pathogens for both
> <<>>our freshwater and sal****er buddies?
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Carol Gulley]

>wrote:

> I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
> posters.

Don't kill yourself.

> Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
> from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
> goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
> Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.

I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.

> You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.

My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?

> If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
> women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
> you did Ed Alston?

I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?

> >.

You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.

> >.

Yeah, and what isn't?

> "Tristan" > wrote in message
> .

How long have you been driving a cab?

--
WE.........
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
================================

[Finzeo]

>wrote:

> Unlawfully-begotten piece-of-skirt with wide jack nastyface and
> sawed-off yubs would die for putrefied flesh bat for brutal sexual
> intercourse. Mail me at >

[Carol Gulley]

Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:

> Flaunting garden-tool-mama with satiny beef curtain and laid up
> grapefruits hungers for full-bodied whisker slitter for rough arse
> ****. Mail me at <none available>

[Carol Gulley]

>wrote:

> >wrote:.

It's like a dog-eat-dog world that we don't live in.

> No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.

Note to self: Do not respond.

> >.

It's your mind I like. Say something smart.

> Yes, I'm still seeing the sex therapist.

How entlightening, Finzeo.

--
WE.........
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
================================

[Fisher Piston]

>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>> Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.

> "~Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Lone Gunman
>>
>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>
>>
>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>> Just Roy

"Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> > I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
> > posters.
>
> Don't kill yourself.
>
> > Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
> > from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
> > goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
> > Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.
>
> I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.
>
> > You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.
>
> My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?
>
> > If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
> > women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
> > you did Ed Alston?
>
> I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?
>
> > >.
>
> You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.
>
> > >.
>
> Yeah, and what isn't?
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
> > .
>
> How long have you been driving a cab?
>
> --
> WE.........
> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
> ================================

[Fezz]

>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>> Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.

> "~Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Lone Gunman
>>
>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>
>>
>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>> Just Roy

"Carol Gulley" <n0ne available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:
>
> > Flaunting garden-tool-mama with satiny beef curtain and laid up
> > grapefruits hungers for full-bodied whisker slitter for rough arse
> > ****. Mail me at <none available>

[Fezz]

>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>> Here ~Roy "Tristan" Hauer admits he has and will use Hipcrime.

> "~Roy" TRISTAN > wrote in message
> ...
>> Lone Gunman
>>
>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>
>>
>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>> Just Roy

"Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> > >wrote:.
>
> It's like a dog-eat-dog world that we don't live in.
>
> > No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.
>
> Note to self: Do not respond.
>
> > >.
>
> It's your mind I like. Say something smart.
>
> > Yes, I'm still seeing the sex therapist.
>
> How entlightening, Finzeo.
>
> --
> WE.........
> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
> ================================

[Köi-Lö]

>wrote:

>>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

Lying ****ing ****.

>
>>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>>> Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
>
>> "~Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Lone Gunman
>>>
>>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>>
>>>
>>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>>> Just Roy
>
> "Carol Gulley" <n0ne available> wrote in message
> eatnowhere.com...
>> Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:
>>
>>> Flaunting garden-tool-mama with satiny beef curtain and laid up
>>> grapefruits hungers for full-bodied whisker slitter for rough arse
>>> ****. Mail me at <none available>


--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
I do not post from Earthlink.net
All rude and/or obscene messages posted in my
name are by my impersonator.
~~~~ <((((*> ~~~ <{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>}

[Köi-Lö]

Fisher >wrote:

>>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

Liar.

>
>>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>>> Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
>
>> "~Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Lone Gunman
>>>
>>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>>
>>>
>>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>>> Just Roy
>
> "Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
> eatnowhere.com...
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
>>> posters.
>>
>> Don't kill yourself.
>>
>>> Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
>>> from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
>>> goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
>>> Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.
>>
>> I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.
>>
>>> You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.
>>
>> My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?
>>
>>> If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
>>> women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
>>> you did Ed Alston?
>>
>> I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?
>>
>>> >.
>>
>> You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.
>>
>>> >.
>>
>> Yeah, and what isn't?
>>
>>> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>>> .
>>
>> How long have you been driving a cab?
>>
>> --
>> WE.........
>> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
>> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
>> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
>> ================================


--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
I do not post from Earthlink.net
All rude and/or obscene messages posted in my
name are by my impersonator.
~~~~ <((((*> ~~~ <{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>}

[Köi-Lö]

>wrote:

>>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

****.

>
>>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>>> Here ~Roy "Tristan" Hauer admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
>
>> "~Roy" TRISTAN > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Lone Gunman
>>>
>>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>>
>>>
>>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>>> Just Roy
>
> "Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
> eatnowhere.com...
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> >wrote:.
>>
>> It's like a dog-eat-dog world that we don't live in.
>>
>>> No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.
>>
>> Note to self: Do not respond.
>>
>>> >.
>>
>> It's your mind I like. Say something smart.
>>
>>> Yes, I'm still seeing the sex therapist.
>>
>> How entlightening, Finzeo.
>>
>> --
>> WE.........
>> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
>> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
>> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
>> ================================


--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
I do not post from Earthlink.net
All rude and/or obscene messages posted in my
name are by my impersonator.
~~~~ <((((*> ~~~ <{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>}

[Carol Gulley]

Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:

> Tearful window-girl with ghoulish banana box and stark jumbos wants to
> meet pulsating great pyramid for dynamic horizontal exercises. Mail me
> at <none available>

[Carol Gulley]

Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:

> Tortuous princess-of-the-pavement with wringing-wet peeper and
> disjointed glad bags goes hungry for inferior pussy poker for gung ho
> acts of darkness. Mail me at <none available>

[Tristan]

"Tristan" > wrote
There would be a reward in it for you if yu can get CArol Gulley aka
Zebulon there and keep her sorry ass there until the cowes come home!
There would be a bonus if you could also snatch up her butthole buddy
Ed Alston. Then USENET would be pretty well troll and trouble free.

--
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

"Tristan" > spewed
There would be a reward in it for you if yu can get CArol Gulley aka
Zebulon there and keep her sorry ass there until the cowes come home!
There would be a bonus if you could also snatch up her butthole buddy
Ed Alston. Then USENET would be pretty well troll and trouble free.

--
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> > Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
> > stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
> > prevention point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional
requirements
> > differ....
>
> There is no dilema!
> Deep frozen stuff you buy for your fish
> is pathogen free and safe to feed to your pets...
> Unless you feed live foods you should be perfectly fine.
> The best food for marine animals is marine in origin.

[Tristan]

"Tristan" > spewed
There would be a reward in it for you if yu can get CArol Gulley aka
Zebulon there and keep her sorry ass there until the cowes come home!
There would be a bonus if you could also snatch up her butthole buddy
Ed Alston. Then USENET would be pretty well troll and trouble free.

--
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Guayni; SAHS" > wrote in message
...
> The reason behind using SW food with SW fauna is its components.
> A sal****er fish needs proteins and other nutrients in a specific ratio.
> They evolved obtaining those nutrients in a certain ratio that is default
in
> SW food.
> Is like feeding Eucalyptus leafs to a Panda and Bamboo leafs to a Koala.
> Each leaf contains the necessary nutrients to feed either animal; but...
> Pandas evolved a digestive system specific to Bamboo leafs and this system
> is waiting for the ratio of nutrients found only in this leafs.
> Same goes with Koalas, they only feed in Eucalyptus leafs.
> Will Koalas survive in a diet of processed and compressed Bamboo leafs?
> probably but will be subject to malnutrition. Same with Pandas.
> I know, these examples are a little exaggeration but serve to explain the
> importance of feeding the proper food to our species.

[Fezz]

"Köi-Lö" <¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> >>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:
>
> Lying ****ing ****.

So you forged the headers? What's a ****? Is that something you net stalkers
use to terrorize their victims with?

[Fezz]

Don't you ever sleep?

"Carol Gulley" <n0ne available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:
>
> > Flaunting garden-tool-mama with satiny beef curtain and laid up
> > grapefruits hungers for full-bodied whisker slitter for rough arse
> > ****. Mail me at <none available>

[Fezz]

"Köi-Lö" <¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> Fisher >wrote:
>
> >>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:
>
> Liar.

So you forged them? Your forgeries suck.
Is that something you net stalkers use to terrorize their victims with? No
paradise for you nit brain.

> >
> >>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
> >>> Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
> >
> >> "~Roy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Lone Gunman
> >>>

[Fezz]

You can't do better than this?

"Finzeo" > wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> > Unlawfully-begotten piece-of-skirt with wide jack nastyface and
> > sawed-off yubs would die for putrefied flesh bat for brutal sexual
> > intercourse. Mail me at >

[Fezz]

"Köi-Lö" <¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> >>> How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:
>
> ****.

So you forged the headers? What's a ****? Is that something you net stalkers
use to terrorize their victims with? How about getting some new original
material? You're a bore.

>
> >
> >>> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
> >>> Here ~Roy "Tristan" Hauer admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
> >
> >> "~Roy" TRISTAN > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Lone Gunman
> >>>
> >>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
> >>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
> >>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
> >>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
> >>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
> >>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
> >>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
> >>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
> >>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
> >>> Just Roy
> >
> > "Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
> > eatnowhere.com...
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> >wrote:.
> >>
> >> It's like a dog-eat-dog world that we don't live in.
> >>
> >>> No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.
> >>
> >> Note to self: Do not respond.
> >>
> >>> >.
> >>
> >> It's your mind I like. Say something smart.
> >>
> >>> Yes, I'm still seeing the sex therapist.
> >>
> >> How entlightening, Finzeo.
> >>
> >> --
> >> WE.........
> >> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
> >> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
> >> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
> >> ================================
>
>
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> I do not post from Earthlink.net
> All rude and/or obscene messages posted in my
> name are by my impersonator.
> ~~~~ <((((*> ~~~ <{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>}

[Fezz]

You're a bore. Get some new stints......

"Carol Gulley" <n0ne available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> Carol Gulley<none available>wrote:
>
> > Tearful window-girl with ghoulish banana box and stark jumbos wants to
> > meet pulsating great pyramid for dynamic horizontal exercises. Mail me
> > at <none available>

[Fezz]

Get some new material will you.... you're a crashing repetitious
unimaginative ignorant bore. Your forged headers suck and don't even fool
green newbies anymore.

"Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> > I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
> > posters.
>
> Don't kill yourself.
>

[Pszemol]

"cat daddy" > wrote in message ...
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "cat daddy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law
>> > to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.
>>
>> Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?
>
> Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal law
> requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law supposedly
> also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if it's
> added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third party.
>
>> I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
>> The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
>> http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp
>>
>> For example: "Frozen Krill"
>> List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%
>>
>> Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?
>
> http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95
>
> http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/2005/05/effects-of-ethoxyquin-and-other-hc.html
>
> http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
> Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin
>
> http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-32586.html
> Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin
>
> You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin, krill" to
> see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.

I e-mailed the manufacturer and here is the response from them:

"Thank you for your interest in San Francisco Bay Brand.
We don't use preservatives in our products.
Our products are preserved thru freezing and freeze drying."

[Tristan]

I buy packs (usually the largest packs I can find) of various frozen
stuff like krill and mysid, brine, silversides etc etc so I canadd
them to my home brew frozen foods. MOst packs are San Franciso
(Sally's brand) or Hikari brand, and I have not found any mention of
ethoxyquin on the labels......however yesterday while in Deathco, I
looked at some fish gum drop foods in their freezer and they had
ethoxyquin listed on them......as did the frozen mice and pinkies
they had for reptile food.......

Oh an in case you did not know...Deathco is the most appropriate name
for Petco.




On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:42:06 -0600, "Pszemol" >
wrote:

<<>>"cat daddy" > wrote in message ...
<<>>> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
<<>>> ...
<<>>>> "cat daddy" > wrote in message
<<>>> ...
<<>>>> > In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law
<<>>>> > to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?
<<>>>
<<>>> Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal law
<<>>> requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law supposedly
<<>>> also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if it's
<<>>> added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third party.
<<>>>
<<>>>> I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
<<>>>> The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
<<>>>> http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp
<<>>>>
<<>>>> For example: "Frozen Krill"
<<>>>> List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?
<<>>>
<<>>> http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95
<<>>>
<<>>> http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/2005/05/effects-of-ethoxyquin-and-other-hc.html
<<>>>
<<>>> http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
<<>>> Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin
<<>>>
<<>>> http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-32586.html
<<>>> Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin
<<>>>
<<>>> You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin, krill" to
<<>>> see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.
<<>>
<<>>I e-mailed the manufacturer and here is the response from them:
<<>>
<<>>"Thank you for your interest in San Francisco Bay Brand.
<<>>We don't use preservatives in our products.
<<>>Our products are preserved thru freezing and freeze drying."



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Du~Rondae]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...

You're having another psychotic episode and destroying 4 other groups for no
other reason than that you can. It gives an illiterate loser like you a
feeling of
power and superiority to harass and stalk an old ladies and a crippled
veterans in wheelchairs and
destroy their groups in sheer spite. You see yourself as a hero to admire.
You need to be
back under the care of the Docs at the VA and get back on your meds.

>
> I buy packs (usually the largest packs I can find) of various frozen
> stuff like krill and mysid, brine, silversides etc etc so I canadd
> them to my home brew frozen foods. MOst packs are San Franciso
> (Sally's brand) or Hikari brand, and I have not found any mention of
> ethoxyquin on the labels......however yesterday while in Deathco, I
> looked at some fish gum drop foods in their freezer and they had
> ethoxyquin listed on them......as did the frozen mice and pinkies
> they had for reptile food.......
>
> Oh an in case you did not know...Deathco is the most appropriate name
> for Petco.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:42:06 -0600, "Pszemol" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>"cat daddy" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>>> "cat daddy" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>>> > In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by
> law
> <<>>>> > to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food
> industry.
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal
> law
> <<>>> requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law
> supposedly
> <<>>> also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if
> it's
> <<>>> added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third
> party.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>> I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
> <<>>>> The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
> <<>>>> http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> For example: "Frozen Krill"
> <<>>>> List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/2005/05/effects-of-ethoxyquin-and-other-hc.html
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
> <<>>> Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-32586.html
> <<>>> Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin
> <<>>>
> <<>>> You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin,
> krill" to
> <<>>> see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.
> <<>>
> <<>>I e-mailed the manufacturer and here is the response from them:
> <<>>
> <<>>"Thank you for your interest in San Francisco Bay Brand.
> <<>>We don't use preservatives in our products.
> <<>>Our products are preserved thru freezing and freeze drying."
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Coral Cameo]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...

My reward is the knowledge that you are condemned to go through life
being yourself. I can't think of any retribution or punishment for your
inane
trolling that would be worse then that. And if you must hit us with these
clever witty troll notes try learning how to get past 2nd grade grammar. It
will make "yu" so much more respectable.


>
> I buy packs (usually the largest packs I can find) of various frozen
> stuff like krill and mysid, brine, silversides etc etc so I canadd
> them to my home brew frozen foods. MOst packs are San Franciso
> (Sally's brand) or Hikari brand, and I have not found any mention of
> ethoxyquin on the labels......however yesterday while in Deathco, I
> looked at some fish gum drop foods in their freezer and they had
> ethoxyquin listed on them......as did the frozen mice and pinkies
> they had for reptile food.......
>
> Oh an in case you did not know...Deathco is the most appropriate name
> for Petco.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:42:06 -0600, "Pszemol" >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>"cat daddy" > wrote in message
...
> <<>>> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>>> "cat daddy" > wrote in message
> <<>>> ...
> <<>>>> > In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by
law
> <<>>>> > to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food
industry.
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal
law
> <<>>> requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law
supposedly
> <<>>> also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if
it's
> <<>>> added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third
party.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>> I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
> <<>>>> The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
> <<>>>> http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> For example: "Frozen Krill"
> <<>>>> List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%
> <<>>>>
> <<>>>> Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/2005/05/effects-of-ethoxyquin-and-other-hc.html
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
> <<>>> Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin
> <<>>>
> <<>>> http://www.michiganreefers.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-32586.html
> <<>>> Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin
> <<>>>
> <<>>> You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin,
krill" to
> <<>>> see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.
> <<>>
> <<>>I e-mailed the manufacturer and here is the response from them:
> <<>>
> <<>>"Thank you for your interest in San Francisco Bay Brand.
> <<>>We don't use preservatives in our products.
> <<>>Our products are preserved thru freezing and freeze drying."
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

"Carol Gulley" <none available> wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
> >wrote:
>
> > I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
> > posters.

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
hahahahaha

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>
> Don't kill yourself.
>
> > Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
> > from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
> > goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
> > Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.
>
> I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.
>
> > You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.
>
> My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?
>
> > If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
> > women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
> > you did Ed Alston?
>
> I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?
>
> > >.
>
> You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.
>
> > >.
>
> Yeah, and what isn't?
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
> > .
>
> How long have you been driving a cab?
>
> --
> WE.........
> "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
> erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
> [Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
> ================================

[Wayne Sallee]

KurtG wrote on 2/6/2007 8:47 PM:

> In my short time, I've learned that there are lots of conflicting
> theories and many "theories" are driven by superstition. I try to be
> very objective and rational about how this works, but I think I also
> have superstitions that I need to be wary of.
>

Yep, and many theories are developed by dishonest
stores.

Basically salt water foods are more nutritional
especially in fatty acids. Also foods from cold
water are higher in fatty acids than foods from warm
water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Tristan]

Roy "Tristan" Hauer NET-STALKER SUGGESTS MURDER of cripples and old ladies
> spewed more vomit in message
...
> Some just need to be knocked in the head and tell God they died........

You gonna knock her in the head hero? Gonna use a crowbar or a brick? You
need to get back on your meds. Get
back to the VA where you belong before you kill yourself of someone else
when you finally flip your cookies.


> Its quite evident a raw nerve was struck on CArol Gulley once again as
> the truths of this person comes to light. When this happens you always
> get a full melt down, in her quest to try and cover up and detract
> anything that was in direct truth with her and her ways.....Get over
> it carol we all lknow who is behind this mess. You can point your
> finger all you want, we jusyt look at the arm its attacked to and then
> look up and its your mugg, no matter what name is used.....
>
> Your a real pathetic individual carol........not one other group
> thinks for a minute allthose psts from Bellsouth is from me. They know
> its you or at least you are responsible for it.......your loosing it
> Carol.....Please turn on that camera so we can witness this real time
> meltdown........and your welcome to webcam your nudie shots to
> your favorite vermin and rodent extermination groups with it after
> we get to see your meltdown......

"popTART" > wrote in message
...
> We never had a problem on the other aquarium groups until you came along
and
> trashed our groups. Why is that Tristan? Why trash several other groups
and
> not this one? What's different about this group? Why do you feel the other
> groups don't deserve peace but this one does? Tell us why you troll the
> other groups and not this one.
>
>
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Your way of thinking is also how I view it. Seems some online web
> > based forums do not view it that way....After all thats the reasoning
> > used behind hyposalinity with SW fish to rid a fish of parasites etc,
> > introduce it to FW so organisms are killed off........Add salt to FW
> > so those organisms are killed off..on FW fish etc.....All I know is I
> > have never had problems with what I feed to who so I guess there is
> > no need to change or modify it.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:41 +0000, Gill Passman
> > > wrote:
> >
> > <<>>Tristan wrote:
> > <<>>> I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
> > <<>>> foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
> > <<>>> frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
> > <<>>> introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish
are
> > <<>>> not used to.
> > <<>>
> > <<>>Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and
FW
> > to
> > <<>>SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice
> > versa...
> > <<>>
> > <<>>
> > <<>>>
> > <<>>> So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
> > <<>>> krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt
> > water
> > <<>>> fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
> > <<>>> varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
> > <<>>> survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time
reasoning
> > <<>>> with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.
> > <<>>
> > <<>>See above....looks like we have heard the same thing....
> > <<>>
> > <<>>Gill
> >
> >
> >
> > -------
> > I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
>