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Tristan

February 11th 07, 07:51 PM

Let me correct you on this, they will not be 2"

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:19:22 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>I doubt that carol, Odds are its more than 1 year...wanna guess again
<<>>> carol? Keep on posting and maybe someday you may get something right
<<>>>
<<>>======================
<<>>Let me CORRECT you on this one. I don't have to guess Roy Tristan Hauer.
<<>>At 2" from lips to tail they can well be under 12 months. When raised at
<<>>82F in good water conditions and feed live and frozen foods plus a good
<<>>cichlid pellet, they grow FAST. Very fast!!!!!!!!!
<<>>
<<>>If they're not, you're not feeding them enough often enough.

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Tristan

February 11th 07, 08:02 PM

If I call you a liar are you gonna once again trash the reef group
CArol? And once again your dead wrong on the age!

n Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:36:03 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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<<>>> Can anyone tell me how old my angel fish are if they are 2 inches from
<<>>> mouth to tail?
<<>>=====================
<<>>It's hard to go by that since they grow at different rates according to
<<>>water quality and temperature, and how and what they're fed. They're
<<>>probably less than a year old given average conditions.

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Mariachi

February 12th 07, 09:44 AM

erm......so we're saying it's less than 12 months? is it more or less
than 6 months?

Tristan

February 12th 07, 04:54 PM

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> Can anyone tell me how old my angel fish are if they are 2 inches from
> mouth to tail?
>

Your having a bad time of it target. You tell tooo many lies and cannot
keep up with them. The multitude of lies bites you every time you turn
around. Trust me on this, its proven that the truth is so much more
easier to keep up with than lies are..

Might I suggest "you" give it a try, you may just like it.

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Tristan

February 12th 07, 04:54 PM

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> erm......so we're saying it's less than 12 months? is it more or less
> than 6 months?
>
Your having a bad time of it target. You tell tooo many lies and cannot
keep up with them. The multitude of lies bites you every time you turn
around. Trust me on this, its proven that the truth is so much more
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Zebulon

February 12th 07, 06:49 PM

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> erm......so we're saying it's less than 12 months? is it more or less
> than 6 months?
========================
At 2" it's surely older than 6 months. Are you INCLUDING the tail? They grow
at different rates of speed even under the same conditions. The better the
conditions and food, the better the rate of growth.
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Tristan

February 12th 07, 07:17 PM

When sizing angle fish the fins are not included, and they generally
are sized in accordance with coin sizes.dime, nnickle, quarter, half
dollar etc etc...Odds are its more than 12 months unless it has had
high quality food and lots of it poured to it, and its from good
stock, but anyone that can claim they can tellthe age of a fish by
size is full of it, and thats what Zebulon aka Carol Gulley thinks she
can do....If you just have to know exactly, put a scale under a
microscope and count the rings/ ridges just like a tree...or if your
lucky enough like CArol Gulley she just asks her fish how old they
are, she has em all trained like that, being the professional breeder
that she is....or at least that what she would like to have you
believe......

There is just too many variables that affect size bogth during the
time it is an egg as well as a fry, to fingerling to juvi to adjust
hood that can affect size to age corelation....

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:49:51 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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<<>>> erm......so we're saying it's less than 12 months? is it more or less
<<>>> than 6 months?
<<>>========================
<<>>At 2" it's surely older than 6 months. Are you INCLUDING the tail? They grow
<<>>at different rates of speed even under the same conditions. The better the
<<>>conditions and food, the better the rate of growth.

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spiral_72

February 12th 07, 07:57 PM

Cut it in half and count the rings!

Mariachi

February 12th 07, 10:15 PM

rings...lol

yea it's 2 inches including the tail. So normal angelfish measurement
is just the body huh?

Tristan

February 12th 07, 10:25 PM

Yes, fins are not included when referring to an angel fishs size.
The most common reference is coin size as I mentioned before. If some
one tells you its such and such old, they are blowing smoke up your
butt, s as there is just so many variables, and even one brand of food
compared to another is enough to make a difference as is good food and
all in the same spawn and there can be considerable differences... And
I am serious, you can count rings on a fishes scale and determine its
age fairly reliable, however most times a fish loses a scale its got a
healt problem or its dead, but it is possible to knock out a fish and
do a scope on its scale, but is there really a dire need to kno9w
exact age? I fyur looking for a fish to breed, its more than likely
alerady of suitable size to breed, as most of quarter or larger are
well within the range for breeding.
On 12 Feb 2007 14:15:12 -0800, "Mariachi" > wrote:

<<>>rings...lol
<<>>
<<>>yea it's 2 inches including the tail. So normal angelfish measurement
<<>>is just the body huh?

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spiral_72

February 13th 07, 01:51 PM

Yea just the body.

It all depends. if you have a mutant, it might only be a week old, but
it's pretty safe to say it's about 1yr old. Mine's slightly bigger
that that at about 1.5yrs old.

Of course at some point they stop growing. I'm not sure how long they
are epected to live under good conditions........ depending of course.

Congrads on the angel. They're pretty amazing huh?

Gill Passman

February 14th 07, 01:53 AM

Well I bought some Angel juvs around 6 months ago and they are already
going on 3" without the tails......my SIL had to trade in some dinky
angels she bought (around 1/2" a year ago) as they were 4-5 inches
without the tail......I guess it is a matter of what conditions they are
kept under....and I'm not saying here that angels that don't have such
rapid growth are kept in bad conditions - just that mine are in a 6 foot
tank so perhaps grow quicker

Gill

Tynk

February 14th 07, 03:08 PM

On Feb 13, 7:53?pm, Gill Passman > wrote:
> Well I bought some Angel juvs around 6 months ago and they are already
> going on 3" without the tails......my SIL had to trade in some dinky
> angels she bought (around 1/2" a year ago) as they were 4-5 inches
> without the tail......I guess it is a matter of what conditions they are
> kept under....and I'm not saying here that angels that don't have such
> rapid growth are kept in bad conditions - just that mine are in a 6 foot
> tank so perhaps grow quicker
>
> Gill

There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
I've also had many batches of fry.
When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
will do to an Angelfish's growth.
STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
sized babies.
They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
grow normally either if put into better conditions.
To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
other information is irresponsible.
To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
"guesstimate".
When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.

Tristan

February 14th 07, 04:03 PM

Nope, CArol Gulley can tell you the exact age of a fish just by a
description........She is one smart fish keeper.

On 14 Feb 2007 07:08:40 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Feb 13, 7:53?pm, Gill Passman > wrote:
<<>>> Well I bought some Angel juvs around 6 months ago and they are already
<<>>> going on 3" without the tails......my SIL had to trade in some dinky
<<>>> angels she bought (around 1/2" a year ago) as they were 4-5 inches
<<>>> without the tail......I guess it is a matter of what conditions they are
<<>>> kept under....and I'm not saying here that angels that don't have such
<<>>> rapid growth are kept in bad conditions - just that mine are in a 6 foot
<<>>> tank so perhaps grow quicker
<<>>>
<<>>> Gill
<<>>
<<>>There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
<<>>I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
<<>>I've also had many batches of fry.
<<>>When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
<<>>will do to an Angelfish's growth.
<<>>STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
<<>>sized babies.
<<>>They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
<<>>They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
<<>>warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
<<>>All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
<<>>grow normally either if put into better conditions.
<<>>To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
<<>>other information is irresponsible.
<<>>To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
<<>>"guesstimate".
<<>>When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
<<>>the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
<<>>However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
<<>>grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
<<>>I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
<<>>another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.

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Tristan

February 14th 07, 09:44 PM

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"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Let me correct you on this, they will not be 2"
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:19:22 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>I doubt that carol, Odds are its more than 1 year...wanna guess again
> <<>>> carol? Keep on posting and maybe someday you may get something
right
> <<>>>
> <<>>======================
> <<>>Let me CORRECT you on this one. I don't have to guess Roy Tristan
Hauer.
> <<>>At 2" from lips to tail they can well be under 12 months. When raised
at
> <<>>82F in good water conditions and feed live and frozen foods plus a
good
> <<>>cichlid pellet, they grow FAST. Very fast!!!!!!!!!
> <<>>
> <<>>If they're not, you're not feeding them enough often enough.
>
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Tristan

February 14th 07, 09:44 PM

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"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> erm......so we're saying it's less than 12 months? is it more or less
> than 6 months?
>

Tristan

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"spiral_72" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Cut it in half and count the rings!
>

Mariachi

February 15th 07, 11:15 AM

Thank you for your input.

The reason for my orginal question is why my angels have not paired
yet. I thought maybe they were too young...but from what I have read
2" body *can* be up to a year old - depending on conditions.....so
lets just say they are of breeding age.....what factors could be
causing them *not* to pair up...what can I do to help them
decide....providing of course I have male and female fish..(i have 4,
bought on 2 sepearte occations..)..

I am feeding frozen blood worms, beefheart and several types of flake
and pellet food
>
> There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
> I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
> I've also had many batches of fry.
> When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
> will do to an Angelfish's growth.
> STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
> sized babies.
> They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
> They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
> warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
> All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
> grow normally either if put into better conditions.
> To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
> other information is irresponsible.
> To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
> "guesstimate".
> When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
> the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
> However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
> grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
> I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
> another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.

Tynk

February 16th 07, 04:06 PM

On Feb 15, 5:15?am, "Mariachi" > wrote:
> Thank you for your input.
>
> The reason for my orginal question is why my angels have not paired
> yet. I thought maybe they were too young...but from what I have read
> 2" body *can* be up to a year old - depending on conditions.....so
> lets just say they are of breeding age.....what factors could be
> causing them *not* to pair up...what can I do to help them
> decide....providing of course I have male and female fish..(i have 4,
> bought on 2 sepearte occations..)..
>
> I am feeding frozen blood worms, beefheart and several types of flake
> and pellet food
>
>
>
>
>
> > There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
> > I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
> > I've also had many batches of fry.
> > When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
> > will do to an Angelfish's growth.
> > STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
> > sized babies.
> > They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
> > They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
> > warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
> > All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
> > grow normally either if put into better conditions.
> > To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
> > other information is irresponsible.
> > To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
> > "guesstimate".
> > When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
> > the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
> > However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
> > grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
> > I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
> > another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi there.
Good choices on foods.....however, feed the beefheart sparingly. A
little bit is a good thing. I would also add frozen Brine Shrimp to
your feeding routine.
I prefer to feed a frozen food and a staple dry food every day. I feed
one of them in the morning and the other food gets fed at night.
I usually do the frozen in the evening, but that's just a habit of
mine.
As for why they are not pairing off....they may be too young still.
You haven't mentioned how long you have had these quarter to fifty
cent piece sized fish. It's also possible that you have all the same
sex. Yes...it does happen. Last year I bought a bunch of Pearlscale
youngsters and all but one were male!
You also have to know that Angelfish don't always care for the ones
you have picked out for them.
They simply may not fancy each other and not care to pair up. I've had
this happen many times over the years.
The tank may be too small for their liking, etc.
I know you're probably tired of hearing...too many vairables, but just
like growth...pairing off angels isn't always as simple as having
males and females in the same tank.
Don't forget to answer:
What size tank are they are in?
How long have you had them?

Nebulous

February 16th 07, 08:05 PM

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> Thank you for your input.
>
> The reason for my orginal question is why my angels have not paired
> yet. I thought maybe they were too young...but from what I have read
> 2" body *can* be up to a year old - depending on conditions.....so
> lets just say they are of breeding age.....what factors could be
> causing them *not* to pair up...what can I do to help them
> decide....providing of course I have male and female fish..(i have 4,
> bought on 2 sepearte occations..)..
>
> I am feeding frozen blood worms, beefheart and several types of flake
> and pellet food
>>
>> There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
>> I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
>> I've also had many batches of fry.
>> When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
>> will do to an Angelfish's growth.
>> STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
>> sized babies.
>> They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
>> They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
>> warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
>> All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
>> grow normally either if put into better conditions.
>> To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
>> other information is irresponsible.
>> To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
>> "guesstimate".
>> When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
>> the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
>> However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
>> grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
>> I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
>> another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.

Hi folks

I have just returned to fish-keeping after a break of about 16 years and
have always had a soft spot for angels. I bought a 48x18x18 tank at
Christmas, set it up and ran it with some tiger barbs and then acquired an
Angel about 3 weeks ago. Anyway I swear he has grown half an inch in 3
weeks. He was just over an inch when I got him and he is now over one and a
half inches. My children claim they see him growing every day!

There are some real positives for him. My water is naturally soft, PH from
the tap is around 7, but in the tank it has settled at 6.4. The tank has a
big external filter, Ammonia and Nitrite are always 0 and it is lightly
stocked. I feed twice a day, once on flakes and once on frozen food. I was
concerned about getting him as I was warned tiger barbs could nip his fins,
but he is clearly the boss. At feeding time he chases the barbs all over the
place.

Neb

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February 17th 07, 07:56 AM

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"Nebulous" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mariachi" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Thank you for your input.
> >
> > The reason for my orginal question is why my angels have not paired
> > yet. I thought maybe they were too young...but from what I have read
> > 2" body *can* be up to a year old - depending on conditions.....so
> > lets just say they are of breeding age.....what factors could be
> > causing them *not* to pair up...what can I do to help them
> > decide....providing of course I have male and female fish..(i have 4,
> > bought on 2 sepearte occations..)..
> >
> > I am feeding frozen blood worms, beefheart and several types of flake
> > and pellet food
> >>
> >> There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
> >> I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
> >> I've also had many batches of fry.
> >> When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
> >> will do to an Angelfish's growth.
> >> STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
> >> sized babies.
> >> They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
> >> They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
> >> warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
> >> All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
> >> grow normally either if put into better conditions.
> >> To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
> >> other information is irresponsible.
> >> To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
> >> "guesstimate".
> >> When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
> >> the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
> >> However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
> >> grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
> >> I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
> >> another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.
>
> Hi folks
>
> I have just returned to fish-keeping after a break of about 16 years and
> have always had a soft spot for angels. I bought a 48x18x18 tank at
> Christmas, set it up and ran it with some tiger barbs and then acquired an
> Angel about 3 weeks ago. Anyway I swear he has grown half an inch in 3
> weeks. He was just over an inch when I got him and he is now over one and
a
> half inches. My children claim they see him growing every day!
>
> There are some real positives for him. My water is naturally soft, PH from
> the tap is around 7, but in the tank it has settled at 6.4. The tank has a
> big external filter, Ammonia and Nitrite are always 0 and it is lightly
> stocked. I feed twice a day, once on flakes and once on frozen food. I was
> concerned about getting him as I was warned tiger barbs could nip his
fins,
> but he is clearly the boss. At feeding time he chases the barbs all over
the
> place.
>
> Neb
>
>

Tristan

February 17th 07, 07:57 AM

Knock any old ladies in the head today Roy Hauer?

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> I doubt that carol, Odds are its more than 1 year...wanna guess again
> carol? Keep on posting and maybe someday you may get something right
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:36:03 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Mariachi" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> <<>>> Can anyone tell me how old my angel fish are if they are 2 inches
from
> <<>>> mouth to tail?
> <<>>=====================
> <<>>It's hard to go by that since they grow at different rates according
to
> <<>>water quality and temperature, and how and what they're fed. They're
> <<>>probably less than a year old given average conditions.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan

February 17th 07, 07:59 AM

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
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"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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> Thank you for your input.
>
> The reason for my orginal question is why my angels have not paired
> yet. I thought maybe they were too young...but from what I have read
> 2" body *can* be up to a year old - depending on conditions.....so
> lets just say they are of breeding age.....what factors could be
> causing them *not* to pair up...what can I do to help them
> decide....providing of course I have male and female fish..(i have 4,
> bought on 2 sepearte occations..)..
>
> I am feeding frozen blood worms, beefheart and several types of flake
> and pellet food
> >
> > There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
> > I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
> > I've also had many batches of fry.
> > When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
> > will do to an Angelfish's growth.
> > STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
> > sized babies.
> > They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
> > They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
> > warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
> > All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
> > grow normally either if put into better conditions.
> > To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
> > other information is irresponsible.
> > To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
> > "guesstimate".
> > When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
> > the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
> > However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
> > grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
> > I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
> > another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.
>
>

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February 18th 07, 06:18 AM

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>
> Nope, CArol Gulley can tell you the exact age of a fish just by a
> description........She is one smart fish keeper.

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>
> On 14 Feb 2007 07:08:40 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> <<>>On Feb 13, 7:53?pm, Gill Passman > wrote:
> <<>>> Well I bought some Angel juvs around 6 months ago and they are
already
> <<>>> going on 3" without the tails......my SIL had to trade in some dinky
> <<>>> angels she bought (around 1/2" a year ago) as they were 4-5 inches
> <<>>> without the tail......I guess it is a matter of what conditions they
are
> <<>>> kept under....and I'm not saying here that angels that don't have
such
> <<>>> rapid growth are kept in bad conditions - just that mine are in a 6
foot
> <<>>> tank so perhaps grow quicker
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Gill
> <<>>
> <<>>There are many factors that will dictate a fish's growth.
> <<>>I have specialized in both Bettas and Angelfish for close to 30 yrs.
> <<>>I've also had many batches of fry.
> <<>>When we moved to the house we're in now I found out what hard water
> <<>>will do to an Angelfish's growth.
> <<>>STUNT it badly. I had year old fish that looks like dime to quater
> <<>>sized babies.
> <<>>They should have had a body size of close to a grapefruit by then.
> <<>>They had lovely clean water, quality foods, a varied diet and lovely
> <<>>warm water. Still, they didn't grow.
> <<>>All because of hard water. Once a fish's growth is stunted, they don't
> <<>>grow normally either if put into better conditions.
> <<>>To say a fish is *this old* based only on it's size and without any
> <<>>other information is irresponsible.
> <<>>To do so *after* the appropriate info is gathered is giving a
> <<>>"guesstimate".
> <<>>When I spawn Angels I have to cut the water with RO water just to get
> <<>>the fry to grow. Same with Bettas too.
> <<>>However, the Angels that are born and raised in this hard water will
> <<>>grow better than fry born into soft, acidic water.
> <<>>I am not trying to confuse the original poster more, just adding
> <<>>another variable to what dictates a fish's growth.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Mariachi

February 18th 07, 11:24 AM

Thanks for your answers - I will invest in some frozen brine shrimp
next time I go to the fish shop...

The 4 angels i've got are in a 3 foot tank - I planned on taking the 2
back after they have paired up,...I"ve had them since november..and
they have definatly grown!!

Tynk

February 18th 07, 05:32 PM

On Feb 18, 5:24?am, "Mariachi" > wrote:
> Thanks for your answers - I will invest in some frozen brine shrimp
> next time I go to the fish shop...
>
> The 4 angels i've got are in a 3 foot tank - I planned on taking the 2
> back after they have paired up,...I"ve had them since november..and
> they have definatly grown!!

Mariachi....

Give them time too.
Last year I got a bunch of quarter sized Pearlscale Angels. I've had
them all for many months without any pairing off.
Well....I thought I had a possible pair but the female died suddenly,
so nothing ever came of it.
I recently added a new gold/goldmarble pearlscale cross to the mix and
since doing so, there has been a flurry of action.
Sometimes it just takes something you'd never think of to get things
moving.
Just last night I saw my Gold pearlscale and a Silver pearlscale that
were bought together last year....only last night they decided to pair
off and start cleaning the intake tube to the canister filter.
2 hours later they were spawning.
These 2 fish had never shown any liking for one another in close to a
year, and then all of a sudden they pair off and spawn the same day.
I am healing from foot surgery and cannot walk on one foot at all, so
I couldn't switch around tanks to put the pair in before they spawned.
I knew during the night the Bushynosed Pleco would get the eggs, and
he did. However, I wasn't prepared for them to do this so I accepted
the loss of their first batch. They should be good to go again in 2
weeks, so I have plenty of time to get my 6 yr old male Betta out of
the tank I plan on using for this pair. I also have to get the gravel
out and switch to a spong filter instead of the HOB filter.
The old Betta isn't going to appreciate getting moved to a 2 1/2g
tank, but he can sulk and give me the pout all he wants, hehe.
Oh...I have pics of the pair spawning too. If you would like me to
email a few to you, email me asking for them.
Pay no attention to the body shape of the male though, as he has more
a female's body.
He's a perfect example of why it's not always trustworthy to try and
sex angels via body shape.
Just remember to ask me via email though.