Re: constant algae

[Tristan]

On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

snip lots of good stuff

<<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
<<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
<<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
<<>>about that.
<<>>For years she has been doing this and then when she's corrected or
<<>>told that much more info was needed she whines about how she is being
<<>>attacked or when somebody disagrees with her she's being attacked or
<<>>that only *my* info is correct. What she doesn't know is that I speak
<<>>of facts (which can easily be checked) or when I make an opinion, I
<<>>say it's my opinion. She uses her opinion as facts all too often. She
<<>>also makes no distinction between them. A newbie would not know the
<<>>difference, and many times they need to.
<<>>I'm not going to waste anymore space on her, as anyone that actually
<<>>reads her rantings can see how she manipulates words, or phrases and
<<>>turns it around on the person she is replying to. It's one of her
<<>>specialties

snip

It sure is nice to know that I am not seeingthings that are not
there....thank you Tynk thank you Carol has done exactly as you state
and how I and others have perceived for years on end, even back when
she used the nym of Windsong.....Big difference in FACT and OPINION,
and newbies do not have to deal with opinions they need facts first
off. then let em deal with their opinion.







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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> snip lots of good stuff
>
> <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
> <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
==============================
And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish in
all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))

I can't say the same after the "expensive" food experience of last Year. I
should never have taken the advice given me and stayed with the food the
fish thrived on.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 9:51�am, Z�bulon > wrote:
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... * (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... *NUFF SAID! *:-))
>

NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
Stop trying to bait an argument!

[Zëbulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 9:51�am, Z�bulon > wrote:
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
> > a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>

NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
Stop trying to bait an argument!
================
THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 10:11�am, Z�bulon > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
> > > a
> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > > <<>>about that......... *(snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> > ==============================
> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> > in
> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
> Stop trying to bait an argument!
> ================
> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! *If it was so bad there would be
> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!

Bad memory going on or what!?
You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
incomplete information over the years.
If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
posting this crap on here!
If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
don't post it here.
Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
argument.
DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!

[Tristan]

Of course not, they simply write it off as they are not fool enough
to go head to head with a lunatic that just may show up at their door
wanting to rumble. Sane folks do not normally fool with lunatics.



On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:51:02 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> snip lots of good stuff
<<>>>
<<>>> <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>> <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
<<>>> <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
<<>>> <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
<<>>> <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
<<>>==============================
<<>>And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish in
<<>>all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
<<>>
<<>>I can't say the same after the "expensive" food experience of last Year. I
<<>>should never have taken the advice given me and stayed with the food the
<<>>fish thrived on.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Correction.....I know of facts she stated that cost folks a fish or
problems.....


On 16 Feb 2007 08:08:03 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>> "Tristan" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> ...> On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > snip lots of good stuff
<<>>>
<<>>> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
<<>>> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
<<>>> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
<<>>> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
<<>>>
<<>>> ==============================
<<>>> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish in
<<>>> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... UFF SAID! :-))
<<>>>
<<>>
<<>>NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
<<>>Stop trying to bait an argument!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Boils down to fact vrs opinion, and opinions have no basis for merit
and is just what it is, an opinion......certainly not something I
would gamble on! Only a lunatic wold take opinion as gospile, sa
there is enough error with supposed fact........who would be fool
enough to take an opinion !




n Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:11:55 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<<>>On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>> "Tristan" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
<<>>> 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > snip lots of good stuff
<<>>>
<<>>> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
<<>>> > a
<<>>> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
<<>>> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
<<>>> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
<<>>>
<<>>> ==============================
<<>>> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
<<>>> in
<<>>> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
<<>>>
<<>>
<<>>NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
<<>>Stop trying to bait an argument!
<<>>================
<<>>THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
<<>>at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zëbulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 10:11�am, Z�bulon > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did
> > > make
> > > a
> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong
> > > or
> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his
> > > point
> > > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> > ==============================
> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> > in
> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
> Stop trying to bait an argument!
> ================
> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!

Bad memory going on or what!?
You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
incomplete information over the years.

Really? Like the bad advice I gave that you can indeed vacuum the entire
bottom of the tank and there will no ammonia surge? Oh that was BAD advice
at the time right Tynk? Real bad but now we know I was REIGHT since the
bacteria stick to the gravel as I think YOU yourself pointed out recently.
So what was considered BAD advice several years ago is GOOD advice now. :-)
Oh, and what of those undergravel filters I dumped years ago? I was told
that was BAD advice and now that's GOOD advice.... LOL!!! Give it a rest
Tynk.

>If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
posting this crap on here!

Roy reposted it on rec.ponds and cross-posted it - speak to him about it.
Why tell me? I didn't bring this post up, he did.

>If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
don't post it here.

Tell Roy.... he brought it up and cross-posted it.

> Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
argument.
DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!

Please complain to the man who dragged this all up to cause just this kind
of aggravation for us both. I forgot all about this message. Are you afraid
to confront him and ask him to stop dragging up your old messages? Expect
him to drag up even more of your past messages.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Tristan]

No but I am, and uyour info sucks 99% of the time carol as its YOUR
OPINION.......take the hint, your a ****up plain and simple!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:52:50 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<<>>On Feb 16, 10:11?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> oups.com...
<<>>> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
<<>>> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > > snip lots of good stuff
<<>>>
<<>>> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did
<<>>> > > make
<<>>> > > a
<<>>> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong
<<>>> > > or
<<>>> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his
<<>>> > > point
<<>>> > > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
<<>>>
<<>>> > ==============================
<<>>> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
<<>>> > in
<<>>> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
<<>>>
<<>>> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
<<>>> Stop trying to bait an argument!
<<>>> ================
<<>>> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
<<>>> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!
<<>>
<<>>Bad memory going on or what!?
<<>>You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
<<>>incomplete information over the years.
<<>>
<<>>Really? Like the bad advice I gave that you can indeed vacuum the entire
<<>>bottom of the tank and there will no ammonia surge? Oh that was BAD advice
<<>>at the time right Tynk? Real bad but now we know I was REIGHT since the
<<>>bacteria stick to the gravel as I think YOU yourself pointed out recently.
<<>>So what was considered BAD advice several years ago is GOOD advice now. :-)
<<>>Oh, and what of those undergravel filters I dumped years ago? I was told
<<>>that was BAD advice and now that's GOOD advice.... LOL!!! Give it a rest
<<>>Tynk.
<<>>
<<>>>If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
<<>>posting this crap on here!
<<>>
<<>>Roy reposted it on rec.ponds and cross-posted it - speak to him about it.
<<>>Why tell me? I didn't bring this post up, he did.
<<>>
<<>>>If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
<<>>don't post it here.
<<>>
<<>>Tell Roy.... he brought it up and cross-posted it.
<<>>
<<>>> Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
<<>>argument.
<<>>DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!
<<>>
<<>>Please complain to the man who dragged this all up to cause just this kind
<<>>of aggravation for us both. I forgot all about this message. Are you afraid
<<>>to confront him and ask him to stop dragging up your old messages? Expect
<<>>him to drag up even more of your past messages.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:

Insane nonsense snipped

What part of STOP don't you understand?
What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
Your reply was filled with nonsense that had nothing to do with
anything *I* said to you.
Your comment about vacuuming the gravel was that you had recently told
somebody *not* to vacuum during a cycle, which I then pointed out to
you that No, it was right to do so as the nitrifying bacteria adhere
to all surfaces and wouldn't come loose during the vac.
You are trying to twist things around, as usual. I'm not buying it and
anyone who read that thread knows you said that too.
This is so very common of you and it is getting boring, and taking up
too much space.
Stop doing all of this on here and reply (If you feel the need) to me
via email, AND DO NOT TAKE ANYMORE SPACE HERE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!!!!
Stop wasting space with this.

[Don Freeman]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Insane nonsense snipped
>
> What part of STOP don't you understand?
> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>

Tynk,
Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to take
into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.

Best,
Don

--
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

[Tynk]

Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....

Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
to, and the names which you post in (many).
All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
incomplete info you leave on here.
I only have this one screen name, as I have no need to hide behind
several names.
Many of the regs and the highly knowledgeable hobbyists either have
you killfiled or won't even come here anymore because of YOU.
That leaves only a few brave people who will acutally put up with the
crap you put us through when you need to be corrected or finish giving
the info you neglected to.
Don't tell me to put you in my killfile, as you are the one that needs
help with your info. Not always, but over the years it has been often.
You are quite knowledgeable when it comes to Goldfish. I give you all
the credit you deserve there. But when it comes to some other things,
not so much.
It takes a big person to say ok...I did not know that, and learn from
it instead of constantly arguing the same lame information.
Being that you are not that type of person, you don't ever learn. You
refuse to and then argue about it.
I hope this group becomes moderated soon too.
You don't want that to happen to this or the other groups because you
know you will be gone and will have nothing to do with your time.
I for one, can't wait.
The moderated groups I post at are wonderful!
The Freshwater Aquarium group is where all the most knowledgeable
folks that used to post here went to because of you.
That says so much. Every one is sick of your arguing.
Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
If you do, you're a moron.

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 4:06�pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > Insane nonsense snipped
>
> > What part of STOP don't you understand?
> > What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>
> Tynk,
> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. *Since I placed her
> in mine *(along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
> others' responses to her. *Every once in a while I have to adjust it to take
> into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
> having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.
>
> Best,
> Don
>
> --
> Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html?
> (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

Don,
I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
It doesn't go through.
The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
correct. By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
caused it or who told them what.
Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
left spinning.
You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
them.
It's like having too much compassion for the newbies in the hobby.

[Tristan]

And its best to kill filter on email addy if it works or not than name
anyhow if kill filters are your choice.
I know I would not be posting anything off topic if it was not for
her incessant need to twist or turn things around and troll totally
innocent groups like she does in the marine reef group just to
supposedly pay folks back for what she deems attacks and
stalking......Glad you seen it for your self. I personally have not
made 99% of rthe posts that has my name behind it.

Only reason her email doe snot work is she does not want to be
contacted or tracked down......thats why she is always nym shifting
and swapping out news servers.....My email is however perfectly
functional, always was always will be, and I return emails too!

Regards





On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:52:50 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<<>>On Feb 16, 10:11?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> oups.com...
<<>>> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
<<>>> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > > snip lots of good stuff
<<>>>
<<>>> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
<<>>> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did
<<>>> > > make
<<>>> > > a
<<>>> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong
<<>>> > > or
<<>>> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his
<<>>> > > point
<<>>> > > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
<<>>>
<<>>> > ==============================
<<>>> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
<<>>> > in
<<>>> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
<<>>>
<<>>> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
<<>>> Stop trying to bait an argument!
<<>>> ================
<<>>> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
<<>>> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!
<<>>
<<>>Bad memory going on or what!?
<<>>You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
<<>>incomplete information over the years.
<<>>
<<>>Really? Like the bad advice I gave that you can indeed vacuum the entire
<<>>bottom of the tank and there will no ammonia surge? Oh that was BAD advice
<<>>at the time right Tynk? Real bad but now we know I was REIGHT since the
<<>>bacteria stick to the gravel as I think YOU yourself pointed out recently.
<<>>So what was considered BAD advice several years ago is GOOD advice now. :-)
<<>>Oh, and what of those undergravel filters I dumped years ago? I was told
<<>>that was BAD advice and now that's GOOD advice.... LOL!!! Give it a rest
<<>>Tynk.
<<>>
<<>>>If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
<<>>posting this crap on here!
<<>>
<<>>Roy reposted it on rec.ponds and cross-posted it - speak to him about it.
<<>>Why tell me? I didn't bring this post up, he did.
<<>>
<<>>>If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
<<>>don't post it here.
<<>>
<<>>Tell Roy.... he brought it up and cross-posted it.
<<>>
<<>>> Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
<<>>argument.
<<>>DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!
<<>>
<<>>Please complain to the man who dragged this all up to cause just this kind
<<>>of aggravation for us both. I forgot all about this message. Are you afraid
<<>>to confront him and ask him to stop dragging up your old messages? Expect
<<>>him to drag up even more of your past messages.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Don Freeman]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 4:06?pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > Insane nonsense snipped
>
> > What part of STOP don't you understand?
> > What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>
> Tynk,
> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her

==============[ quote ]====================================
Don,
I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
It doesn't go through.
The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
correct. By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
caused it or who told them what.
Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
left spinning.
You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
them.
It's like having too much compassion for the newbies in the hobby.
=============[ end quote ]===================================

I understand and appreciate why you are doing it, but there comes a point of
diminishing returns if it just sounds like the two of you are arguing (and
admittedly I'm no innocent, I've been involved in flame wars that could melt
diamonds). Anyone just stumbling upon the group at that time wouldn't know
which one was the credible party.
If you don't want to ignore her bad advice, countering it with the truth (as
you do) is fine. But you will do your frustration level a big favor by
ignoring her rants.

I pretty much had her pegged after reading no more then 4 of her posts, so I
think you will find that new readers of the group might not have as much
trouble as you think doing the same. One of the main caveats of USENET has
always been to read a group for a while before posting so as to figure out
the mores and morays (pun intended) of the group, and, by extrapolation,
figure out who are the signal producers and who are just the ******s that
produce noise.

Best,
Don
--
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

[Zebulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Insane nonsense snipped
>
> What part of STOP don't you understand?

What part don't YOU understand and why are you always so rude? I didn't
repost your message = Tristan did.

> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?

No, but you must be to think I'm Roy Tristan Hauer who reposted your
message - and why are you always so rude and nasty?

<snip>
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Zëbulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 4:06�pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > Insane nonsense snipped
>
> > What part of STOP don't you understand?
> > What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>
> Tynk,
> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
> in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
> others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
> take
> into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
> having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.
>
> Best,
> Don
>
> --
> Ever had one of those days where you just felt
> like:http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html?
> (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

Don,
I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
It doesn't go through.
The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
correct.

* You've asked to provide PROOF of your accusations and have yet to provide
any. Nor any proof of any harm anything I posted here did to anyone's fish.
You left for the moderated group so why are you still here being RUDE to me?

By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
caused it or who told them what.

* Where is the proof? What deadly advice did I give someone?

Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
left spinning.

* I know that.

You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
them.
It's like having too much compassion for the newbies in the hobby.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Zebulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....

Better learn to read headers Tynk. Make sure before you accuse. Why are
you back here when you fled to a moderated forum?

> Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
> I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
> to, and the names which you post in (many).

Oh really....... Roy "Tristan" Hauer proved and admitted the messages were
not from my account right on a reef group. Do don't want to hear that do
you?

> All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.

What are YOU doing now? Pot Tynk calling Kettle Zebulon black? When I
posted here about my bettas and we had a disagreement you have been a bitch
to me ever since! You've been just as rude to other posters so playing miss
innocent wont get it.

> I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
> incomplete info you leave on here.

What's an error for you may not be an error for me since I'm sure we don't
have the same fish, the same tanks, the same set-ups. What works for you
may not work for me and vice versa. remember the deal with the UGFs and
Vacuuming the entire gravel bed. Oh man.... was I ever told I was WRONG
back then. Geeze... I've been proven to be RIGHT and you never mention that
or toss that back at me... I wonder why?

Why don't you acknowledge this Tynk? Why is it you're allowed to be as rude
to people as you please but I'm supposed to be meek and mild, passive and
never but never defend my position - which has been proven CORRECT in time?

<snip>
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Gill Passman]

Zëbulon wrote:


> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
> It doesn't go through.

Ok not going to bother replying to the rest but believe me it is very
easy to get in touch with Tynk via the valid email address she uses here
(afterall she has no need to hide from anything - like a few others of
us don't either).....I suggest you open one of her messages and then cut
and paste the "from" info.....write your email and hit send.....if it is
abusive then maybe she will do what most sane people do and ignore
it....if not, then as she invited you to mail her I'm reasonably sure
that she will respond.....However, one word of warning - Tynk actually
has a real life that doesn't revolve around Usenet every second of her
waking day - so there might be a bit of a delay in getting a reply
(sometimes days or weeks but that is entirely reasonable).....but then
the same applies to all of us who have a real life as well....If your
emails to Tynk bounce it is just because you have made a typo....

Gill

[Zebulon]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> Only reason her email doe snot work is she does not want to be
> contacted or tracked down......thats why she is always nym shifting
> and swapping out news servers.....My email is however perfectly
> functional, always was always will be, and I return emails too!
============
Did you already admitted the messages are not from my account:

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
> They are forged posts injected through a news service company out of
> Seattle Washington, by the name of Alt.net, which is actually
> altopia.com
> If your looking to kill filter posts kill filter on email addy not
> user.......results are much better. I have spent a bit of time on the
> phone with Bellsouth as well as ATT and they assure me those posts are
> not going through their servers. They stated they are indeed forged to
> appear like they originate from Bellsouth, and then they pointed the
> finger to Altopia.com and their news server company alt.net!

---> And here's one from *you* affirmed by Earthlink that it's from your
account, using my NYM admitting using Hipcrime to attack the groups:
>
"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1149888054 4.255.247.229 (Fri, 09
Jun 2006 14:20:54 PDT)

> Gonna have to try and make me a group
> delete me a group or groups
> "moderate" me a few groups
> keep me a set of messages in existence in a set bunch of groups...
>
> This program has all the makings of a lot of fun and
> entertainment......yet it still retains all the common use items a
> regular news reader possess.......its just totally awesome.
>
> Move over Agent, HipCrimes is coming online!
>
>
> Whats that you say Carol Gulley? hahahahahaha Oh I think I hear your
> buddy -ED whining in the back ground there Carol.

[Tristan]

Just like you trashed and corrupted that post made with the sick koi
with pics., YOU and you alone trashed that post and in all reality it
was good that you did as it sent them to me and one other pereson here
by way of email.........one less individual to try and slide on to
your path od destructoin carol, they seen the light really quick with
your harsh and sarcastic replies espeically when yu were told yu were
wrong. You literally fell apart like a lunatic iin need of their
drugs.


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:40:44 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<<>>On Feb 16, 4:06?pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
<<>>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
<<>>>
<<>>> ups.com...
<<>>>
<<>>> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> > Insane nonsense snipped
<<>>>
<<>>> > What part of STOP don't you understand?
<<>>> > What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
<<>>>
<<>>> Tynk,
<<>>> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
<<>>> in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
<<>>> others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
<<>>> take
<<>>> into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
<<>>> having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.
<<>>>
<<>>> Best,
<<>>> Don
<<>>>
<<>>> --
<<>>> Ever had one of those days where you just felt
<<>>> like:http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html?
<<>>> (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)
<<>>
<<>>Don,
<<>>I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
<<>>It doesn't go through.
<<>>The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
<<>>who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
<<>>correct.
<<>>
<<>>* You've asked to provide PROOF of your accusations and have yet to provide
<<>>any. Nor any proof of any harm anything I posted here did to anyone's fish.
<<>>You left for the moderated group so why are you still here being RUDE to me?
<<>>
<<>> By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
<<>>caused it or who told them what.
<<>>
<<>>* Where is the proof? What deadly advice did I give someone?
<<>>
<<>>Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
<<>>wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
<<>>left spinning.
<<>>
<<>>* I know that.
<<>>
<<>>You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
<<>>others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
<<>>them.
<<>>It's like having too much compassion for the newbies in the hobby.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

WHAT....god forbide, carol never screws up.......if she said the
emails bounce then they probably bounced! Least we forget who were
dealing with her, Queen Bee CArol her self who lowers her standards
just to appear on the same usenet groups with us mere mortals.

;-)


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:52:38 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Zëbulon wrote:
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
<<>>> It doesn't go through.
<<>>
<<>>Ok not going to bother replying to the rest but believe me it is very
<<>>easy to get in touch with Tynk via the valid email address she uses here
<<>>(afterall she has no need to hide from anything - like a few others of
<<>>us don't either).....I suggest you open one of her messages and then cut
<<>>and paste the "from" info.....write your email and hit send.....if it is
<<>>abusive then maybe she will do what most sane people do and ignore
<<>>it....if not, then as she invited you to mail her I'm reasonably sure
<<>>that she will respond.....However, one word of warning - Tynk actually
<<>>has a real life that doesn't revolve around Usenet every second of her
<<>>waking day - so there might be a bit of a delay in getting a reply
<<>>(sometimes days or weeks but that is entirely reasonable).....but then
<<>>the same applies to all of us who have a real life as well....If your
<<>>emails to Tynk bounce it is just because you have made a typo....
<<>>
<<>>Gill
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Hmmmmmmm
Carol calling Tynk rude and nasty is like the pot calling the kettle
black......duh.......carol you really do not have the foggiest idea
that you need help do you?Trust us, you need help, and you need it
quick! today, right now, not tomorrow!


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:37:16 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
<<>>> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> Insane nonsense snipped
<<>>>
<<>>> What part of STOP don't you understand?
<<>>
<<>>What part don't YOU understand and why are you always so rude? I didn't
<<>>repost your message = Tristan did.
<<>>
<<>>> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
<<>>
<<>>No, but you must be to think I'm Roy Tristan Hauer who reposted your
<<>>message - and why are you always so rude and nasty?
<<>>
<<>><snip>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zëbulon]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Zëbulon wrote:
>
>
>> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
>> It doesn't go through.
>
> Ok not going to bother replying to the rest but believe me it is very easy
> to get in touch with Tynk via the valid email address she uses here <SNIP>
==========================
Gill... You mis-snipped. I didn't try to e-mail her. I have no reason to
contact her. Roy Tristan Hauer re-posted her old message to stir the pot.
I'd put that all in the past already, especially since the UGF, Frozen-Food
and Vacuuming up bacteria issues where in time I was proven CORRECT. At the
time I was told how "wrong" I was..... how things change over the years.
:-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Gill Passman]

Zëbulon wrote:
>
>> Zëbulon wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
>>> It doesn't go through.
>>

> ==========================
> Gill... You mis-snipped. I didn't try to e-mail her. I have no reason
> to contact her.

Don't think I did....but then who can tell but the tone of the post that
I took the snip from looked very much like one of yours.....so are you
telling me that you didn't respond to Don.....certainly looked like you
did.....but OK if you want to disclaim the points that you made to him
it's fine by me....

Gill

[Tristan]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:51:07 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
<<>>> Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....
<<>>
<<>>Better learn to read headers Tynk. Make sure before you accuse. Why are
<<>>you back here when you fled to a moderated forum?
<<>>
<<>>> Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
<<>>> I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
<<>>> to, and the names which you post in (many).
<<>>
<<>>Oh really....... Roy "Tristan" Hauer proved and admitted the messages were
<<>>not from my account right on a reef group. Do don't want to hear that do
<<>>you?
Yes, but I also stated those were also traced to your alt.net account
and were created with hipcrime and regardless, you made the posts no
matter what the headers showed. Quit being so selective in what yu
read and post carol you trolled you trashed an dyou have the alt.net
account, proven by 4 independant news service providers that the IP
used is from your IP.......your a fool.........
<<>>
<<>>> All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
<<>>
<<>>What are YOU doing now? Pot Tynk calling Kettle Zebulon black? When I
<<>>posted here about my bettas and we had a disagreement you have been a bitch
<<>>to me ever since! You've been just as rude to other posters so playing miss
<<>>innocent wont get it.
<<>>
<<>>> I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
<<>>> incomplete info you leave on here.
<<>>
<<>>What's an error for you may not be an error for me since I'm sure we don't
<<>>have the same fish, the same tanks, the same set-ups. What works for you
<<>>may not work for me and vice versa. remember the deal with the UGFs and
<<>>Vacuuming the entire gravel bed. Oh man.... was I ever told I was WRONG
<<>>back then. Geeze... I've been proven to be RIGHT and you never mention that
<<>>or toss that back at me... I wonder why?
<<>>
<<>>Why don't you acknowledge this Tynk? Why is it you're allowed to be as rude
<<>>to people as you please but I'm supposed to be meek and mild, passive and
<<>>never but never defend my position - which has been proven CORRECT in time?
<<>>
<<>><snip>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Don Freeman]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Zëbulon wrote:
>>
>>> Zëbulon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
>>>> It doesn't go through.
>>>
>
>> ==========================
>> Gill... You mis-snipped. I didn't try to e-mail her. I have no reason
>> to contact her.
>
> Don't think I did....but then who can tell but the tone of the post that I
> took the snip from looked very much like one of yours.....so are you
> telling me that you didn't respond to Don.....certainly looked like you
> did.....but OK if you want to disclaim the points that you made to him
> it's fine by me....
>
>
Actually you did misattribute the quotes but, notwithstanding, your advice
to Z. is still good. Bottom line she should take her personal vendetta off
of the newsgroup.

[Tristan]

Get real dumbass........your a child in a big womans dress, now act yr
age instead of your IQ, you foaming at the mouth lying sack of word
twisting crap from the backwoods of TN.....


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:55:26 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> Only reason her email doe snot work is she does not want to be
<<>>> contacted or tracked down......thats why she is always nym shifting
<<>>> and swapping out news servers.....My email is however perfectly
<<>>> functional, always was always will be, and I return emails too!
<<>>============
<<>>Did you already admitted the messages are not from my account:
NO BUT YOU MADE THEM AS THEY HAVE BEEN TRACED TO YOUR IP CAROL YOU
USED HIPCRIME TO MAKE THE POSTS VIA ALT.NET.....YOU DUMBASS!
<<>>
<<>>"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
<<>>> They are forged posts injected through a news service company out of
<<>>> Seattle Washington, by the name of Alt.net, which is actually
<<>>> altopia.com
<<>>> If your looking to kill filter posts kill filter on email addy not
<<>>> user.......results are much better. I have spent a bit of time on the
<<>>> phone with Bellsouth as well as ATT and they assure me those posts are
<<>>> not going through their servers. They stated they are indeed forged to
<<>>> appear like they originate from Bellsouth, and then they pointed the
<<>>> finger to Altopia.com and their news server company alt.net!
<<>>
<<>>---> And here's one from *you* affirmed by Earthlink that it's from your
<<>>account, using my NYM admitting using Hipcrime to attack the groups:
<<>>>
<<>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
<<>>X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1149888054 4.255.247.229 (Fri, 09
<<>>Jun 2006 14:20:54 PDT)
<<>>
<<>>> Gonna have to try and make me a group
<<>>> delete me a group or groups
<<>>> "moderate" me a few groups
<<>>> keep me a set of messages in existence in a set bunch of groups...
<<>>>
<<>>> This program has all the makings of a lot of fun and
<<>>> entertainment......yet it still retains all the common use items a
<<>>> regular news reader possess.......its just totally awesome.
<<>>>
<<>>> Move over Agent, HipCrimes is coming online!
<<>>>

Sure got you all wound up didn't it. and it continues to do so, so my
mission on that post was more than what I call sucessfull. You dumbass
bimbo.......Nothing there is proof of a darn thing carol, so dream on,
you loose that round!...Once again dumbass!
<<>>>
<<>>> Whats that you say Carol Gulley? hahahahahaha Oh I think I hear your
<<>>> buddy -ED whining in the back ground there Carol.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

Don Freeman wrote:

>
> Actually you did misattribute the quotes but, notwithstanding, your advice
> to Z. is still good. Bottom line she should take her personal vendetta off
> of the newsgroup.
>
>

OK I'm happy to stand corrected.....but the sentiments remain the same......

Gill

[cat daddy]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Don Freeman wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually you did misattribute the quotes but, notwithstanding,
your advice
> > to Z. is still good. Bottom line she should take her personal
vendetta off
> > of the newsgroup.
> >
> >
>
> OK I'm happy to stand corrected.....but the sentiments remain the
same......
>
> Gill

It's not your fault, Gill. That's been one of Carol's classic
annoyances and classic hoofprints; putting quote characters in front
of her own words and leaving the words she's quoting blank.

[Gill Passman]

cat daddy wrote:
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> ...

>
>
> It's not your fault, Gill. That's been one of Carol's classic
> annoyances and classic hoofprints; putting quote characters in front
> of her own words and leaving the words she's quoting blank.
>
>

Actually since making my apologetic post I've read it over and
over....and I know that I responded to the correct question.....but then
that is the whole thing over and over.....to be quite honest I just want
to get back to normality and am very tired about this.....

Do you know....having only lurked on rec.ponds for 2 - 3 years I never
realised that you were a hobbyist having seen you trashed so many
times.....I am extremely happy to know that you have a vested interest
in all of this rather than being a trolling hanger on (which I had been
led to believe) - I kind of got that when you posted on ngp in support
of rpm....but haven't had the opportunity to say it before....

Looking forward to exchanging ideas and discussions with you on a
moderated group free of all of this cr*p - although very sad that it has
come to this as being our only option

Take care
Gill

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 10:11?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did
> > > make
> > > a
> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong
> > > or
> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his
> > > point
> > > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> > ==============================
> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> > in
> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
> Stop trying to bait an argument!
> ================
> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! If it was so bad there would be
> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!

Bad memory going on or what!?
You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
incomplete information over the years.
If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
posting this crap on here!
If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
don't post it here.
Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
argument.
DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!

Not again! Why do you bother answering? Jusst killfile the person you are
arguing with, so the rest of us don't have to see it.

Jen

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Insane nonsense snipped
>
> What part of STOP don't you understand?
> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
> Your reply was filled with nonsense that had nothing to do with
> anything *I* said to you.
> Your comment about vacuuming the gravel was that you had recently told
> somebody *not* to vacuum during a cycle, which I then pointed out to
> you that No, it was right to do so as the nitrifying bacteria adhere
> to all surfaces and wouldn't come loose during the vac.
> You are trying to twist things around, as usual. I'm not buying it and
> anyone who read that thread knows you said that too.
> This is so very common of you and it is getting boring, and taking up
> too much space.
> Stop doing all of this on here and reply (If you feel the need) to me
> via email, AND DO NOT TAKE ANYMORE SPACE HERE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!!!!
> Stop wasting space with this.
>
>

Well, just stop answering!!

[Jen]

"Don Freeman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>>
>> Insane nonsense snipped
>>
>> What part of STOP don't you understand?
>> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>>
>
> Tynk,
> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
> in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
> others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
> take into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep
> from having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.

I'm so glad there at least some people here that see sense. Hopefully he
takes your good advice.

Jen

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 4:06?pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > Insane nonsense snipped
>
> > What part of STOP don't you understand?
> > What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>
> Tynk,
> Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
> in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
> others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
> take
> into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
> having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.
>
> Best,
> Don
>
> --
> Ever had one of those days where you just felt
> like:http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html?
> (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

Don,
I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
It doesn't go through.
The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
correct. By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
caused it or who told them what.
Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
left spinning.
You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
them.


I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on things,
and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at different
opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
mouth others.

Jen

[Zëbulon]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Zëbulon wrote:
>>
>>> Zëbulon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
>>>> It doesn't go through.
>>>
>
>> ==========================
>> Gill... You mis-snipped. I didn't try to e-mail her. I have no reason
>> to contact her.
>
> Don't think I did....but then who can tell but the tone of the post that I
> took the snip from looked very much like one of yours.....so are you
> telling me that you didn't respond to Don.....certainly looked like you
> did.....but OK if you want to disclaim the points that you made to him
> it's fine by me....

>Gill

=================
What I SAID:

"Gill... You mis-snipped. I didn't try to e-mail her. I have no reason to
contact her. Roy Tristan Hauer re-posted her old message to stir the pot.
I'd put that all in the past already, especially since the UGF, Frozen-Food
and Vacuuming up bacteria issues where in time I was proven CORRECT. At the
time I was told how "wrong" I was..... how things change over the years."

I said nothing about Don.
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[Zebulon]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> cat daddy wrote:
>> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>
>>
>> It's not your fault, Gill. That's been one of Carol's classic
>> annoyances and classic hoofprints; putting quote characters in front
>> of her own words and leaving the words she's quoting blank.
>>
>>
>
> Actually since making my apologetic post I've read it over and over....and
> I know that I responded to the correct question.....but then that is the
> whole thing over and over.....to be quite honest I just want to get back
> to normality and am very tired about this.....

We're all tired about it and yet it does end.

> Do you know....having only lurked on rec.ponds for 2 - 3 years I never
> realised that you were a hobbyist having seen you trashed so many
> times.....

Many people have been trashed on rec.ponds since the troll invasion.

I am extremely happy to know that you have a vested interest
> in all of this rather than being a trolling hanger on (which I had been
> led to believe) - I kind of got that when you posted on ngp in support of
> rpm....but haven't had the opportunity to say it before....

He only insulted me, following me to AFN. It's all on Google.

> Looking forward to exchanging ideas and discussions with you on a
> moderated group free of all of this cr*p - although very sad that it has
> come to this as being our only option

What choice do we have?

>
> Take care
> Gill

--
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....
>
> Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
> I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
> to, and the names which you post in (many).
> All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
> I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
> incomplete info you leave on here.
> I only have this one screen name, as I have no need to hide behind
> several names.
> Many of the regs and the highly knowledgeable hobbyists either have
> you killfiled or won't even come here anymore because of YOU.

Not necessarily. It's more because of all this bull**** BETWEEN you all.
That includes your nasty posts.

> That leaves only a few brave people who will acutally put up with the
> crap you put us through when you need to be corrected or finish giving
> the info you neglected to.
> Don't tell me to put you in my killfile, as you are the one that needs
> help with your info. Not always, but over the years it has been often.
> You are quite knowledgeable when it comes to Goldfish. I give you all
> the credit you deserve there. But when it comes to some other things,
> not so much.
> It takes a big person to say ok...I did not know that, and learn from
> it instead of constantly arguing the same lame information.
> Being that you are not that type of person, you don't ever learn. You
> refuse to and then argue about it.
> I hope this group becomes moderated soon too.
> You don't want that to happen to this or the other groups because you
> know you will be gone and will have nothing to do with your time.
> I for one, can't wait.
> The moderated groups I post at are wonderful!
> The Freshwater Aquarium group is where all the most knowledgeable
> folks that used to post here went to because of you.
> That says so much. Every one is sick of your arguing.

AND YOURS!

> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
> If you do, you're a moron.
>
>
Take your own advice here.

Jen
>

[Zebulon]

"Jen" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>>
>> Insane nonsense snipped
>>
>> What part of STOP don't you understand?
>> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>> Your reply was filled with nonsense that had nothing to do with
>> anything *I* said to you.
>> Your comment about vacuuming the gravel was that you had recently told
>> somebody *not* to vacuum during a cycle, which I then pointed out to
>> you that No, it was right to do so as the nitrifying bacteria adhere
>> to all surfaces and wouldn't come loose during the vac.
>> You are trying to twist things around, as usual. I'm not buying it and
>> anyone who read that thread knows you said that too.
>> This is so very common of you and it is getting boring, and taking up
>> too much space.
>> Stop doing all of this on here and reply (If you feel the need) to me
>> via email, AND DO NOT TAKE ANYMORE SPACE HERE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!!!!
>> Stop wasting space with this.
>>
>>
>
> Well, just stop answering!!
============================
She can have the last word. ;-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Zebulon]

"Jen" > wrote in message
...
>
>
Not again! Why do you bother answering? Jusst killfile the person you are
arguing with, so the rest of us don't have to see it.
=================
Excellent advice. Thank you!
--
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Tristan]

So why the hell are you coming down on Tynk there JEN, are you
confused as to who is saying what. Tynk is a good guy, Zebulon aka
CArol Gulley is the problem child! Please buy a program and know who
the players are before you start to pitch your dog into the fight on
the wrong person there Jen. Its crap like that that escalates ****
like is now going on in these newsgroups.

I am going to just assume yu think yu were referring to CArol Gulley
aka zebulon, and let it go at that., As for what you think about me,
don;t waste your time, I have heard it all and I am sure you do not
have it in you to top what I have been told already, so just chill oyt
listen to Don, Tynk and Gill and bump on!

Have a good day!





On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:56:00 GMT, "Jen" >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
<<>>> Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....
<<>>>
<<>>> Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
<<>>> I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
<<>>> to, and the names which you post in (many).
<<>>> All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
<<>>> I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
<<>>> incomplete info you leave on here.
<<>>> I only have this one screen name, as I have no need to hide behind
<<>>> several names.
<<>>> Many of the regs and the highly knowledgeable hobbyists either have
<<>>> you killfiled or won't even come here anymore because of YOU.
<<>>
<<>>Not necessarily. It's more because of all this bull**** BETWEEN you all.
<<>>That includes your nasty posts.
<<>>
<<>>> That leaves only a few brave people who will acutally put up with the
<<>>> crap you put us through when you need to be corrected or finish giving
<<>>> the info you neglected to.
<<>>> Don't tell me to put you in my killfile, as you are the one that needs
<<>>> help with your info. Not always, but over the years it has been often.
<<>>> You are quite knowledgeable when it comes to Goldfish. I give you all
<<>>> the credit you deserve there. But when it comes to some other things,
<<>>> not so much.
<<>>> It takes a big person to say ok...I did not know that, and learn from
<<>>> it instead of constantly arguing the same lame information.
<<>>> Being that you are not that type of person, you don't ever learn. You
<<>>> refuse to and then argue about it.
<<>>> I hope this group becomes moderated soon too.
<<>>> You don't want that to happen to this or the other groups because you
<<>>> know you will be gone and will have nothing to do with your time.
<<>>> I for one, can't wait.
<<>>> The moderated groups I post at are wonderful!
<<>>> The Freshwater Aquarium group is where all the most knowledgeable
<<>>> folks that used to post here went to because of you.
<<>>> That says so much. Every one is sick of your arguing.
<<>>
<<>>AND YOURS!
<<>>
<<>>> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
<<>>> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
<<>>> If you do, you're a moron.
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>Take your own advice here.
<<>>
<<>>Jen
<<>>>
<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Well thats awfull nice of you carol letting tynk have th elast
word.........that has got to be a first for you. What happened someone
hit you in the head with a brick? Odds are though the groups
willsuffer uyour revenge tonight with a mass trash and troll ost..it
never fails, you can smell it in the air..your have been slapped to
many times today to let things pass! May not be tonight, but its
coming! We all know it!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:56:55 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Jen" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
<<>>> ups.com...
<<>>>> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Insane nonsense snipped
<<>>>>
<<>>>> What part of STOP don't you understand?
<<>>>> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
<<>>>> Your reply was filled with nonsense that had nothing to do with
<<>>>> anything *I* said to you.
<<>>>> Your comment about vacuuming the gravel was that you had recently told
<<>>>> somebody *not* to vacuum during a cycle, which I then pointed out to
<<>>>> you that No, it was right to do so as the nitrifying bacteria adhere
<<>>>> to all surfaces and wouldn't come loose during the vac.
<<>>>> You are trying to twist things around, as usual. I'm not buying it and
<<>>>> anyone who read that thread knows you said that too.
<<>>>> This is so very common of you and it is getting boring, and taking up
<<>>>> too much space.
<<>>>> Stop doing all of this on here and reply (If you feel the need) to me
<<>>>> via email, AND DO NOT TAKE ANYMORE SPACE HERE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!!!!
<<>>>> Stop wasting space with this.
<<>>>>
<<>>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> Well, just stop answering!!
<<>>============================
<<>>She can have the last word. ;-)



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Jen" > wrote in message
...
> I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
> arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
> you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on
> things, and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at
> different opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the
> right conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not
> bad mouth others.
>
> Jen
=========================
Amen and thank you!

You will learn in time that what works for one person and their fish may be
the worst advice for someone else. Newbies learn what works for them over
time through their own experience, reading, listening and asking questions
as they arise.
--
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Tristan]

Its not anything that has not been told to you many many times
before carol yet you never do take the advice.......you dumbass!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:04:39 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Jen" > wrote in message
...
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>> Not again! Why do you bother answering? Jusst killfile the person you are
<<>> arguing with, so the rest of us don't have to see it.
<<>>=================
<<>>Excellent advice. Thank you!



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristan]

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
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"Zëbulon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
> >
> > snip lots of good stuff
> >
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> I can't say the same after the "expensive" food experience of last Year. I
> should never have taken the advice given me and stayed with the food the
> fish thrived on.
> --
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> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> rec.ponder since late 1996.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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>
>
>
>
>
>

[Tristan]

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
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"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>

NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
Stop trying to bait an argument!

[Tristan]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>

NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
Stop trying to bait an argument!

Bad advice kills fish.....or the advice aint bad advice asshole.

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[Tristan]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 10:11?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did
make
> > > a
> > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong
or
> > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his
point
> > > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> > ==============================
> > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> > in
> > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
> Stop trying to bait an argument!
> ================
> THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE!

WHAT BAD ADVICE DID SHE GIVE?

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If it was so bad there would be
> at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!

Bad memory going on or what!?
You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
incomplete information over the years.
If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
posting this crap on here!
If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
don't post it here.
Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
argument.
DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!

[Tristan]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Insane nonsense snipped

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
hahahahaha

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>
> What part of STOP don't you understand?
> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
> Your reply was filled with nonsense that had nothing to do with
> anything *I* said to you.
> Your comment about vacuuming the gravel was that you had recently told
> somebody *not* to vacuum during a cycle, which I then pointed out to
> you that No, it was right to do so as the nitrifying bacteria adhere
> to all surfaces and wouldn't come loose during the vac.
> You are trying to twist things around, as usual. I'm not buying it and
> anyone who read that thread knows you said that too.
> This is so very common of you and it is getting boring, and taking up
> too much space.
> Stop doing all of this on here and reply (If you feel the need) to me
> via email, AND DO NOT TAKE ANYMORE SPACE HERE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!!!!
> Stop wasting space with this.
>
>

[Tristan]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 4:06?pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
hahahahaha

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>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > Insane nonsense snipped
>

[Tristan]

"Jen" > wrote in message
...

Well I have youy beat in the years department sucker and folks are
still responding to me every day, and I am not counting my socks
either. If it was not for folks trying to get me to see the light or
my socks I wuld not have any replies....face it.

Oh, I claim those socks as dependants on my income tax....
hahahahaha

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>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....
> >
> > Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
> > I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
> > to, and the names which you post in (many).
> > All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
> > I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing

[Concerned Aquaria Group Members]

AQUARIA GROUPS INFO
There is a resident troll whose user name changes so frequently there
is no need to even mention it. Please do not be afraid to ask any
questions or leave any comments you feel are needed, but above all for
your own good and the fish's, ensure who you get information from is
from a valid safe and reasonable source. The individuals listed below
are more than willing to help and provide proper information or
point you to a resource that can.

Below is a list of real folks concerned for the fishes care and more
than willing to help in any way they can. Since this resident troll
will take on any other members user name in an attempt to confuse and
add turmoil to the group, check the header or email address to ensure
your nor dealing with the resident troll.

While every effort has been made to make this an up to date list there
are more and more concerned and helpfull folks asking to be added
every week, and as they come on board they will be added. It is
adviseable to only take info, espeically for health related fish
issues or before spending $$$$ to use the folks listed on this info
memo. The moderated group is temporarily at a setback which we hope
to overcome ASAP, so we need to try and make the best of a bad
situation in this group as possible.

Regards


JanJ >
Ponds, Plants and Koi/ Goldfish

Gill >
Aquar Fish and Plants and Fish in general

Tristan >
Mud Ponds and Pond fish and Marine fish

Tynk >
Aquarium Fish and Fish in General

Galen >
Ponds and pond fish in General as well as an up to date link on
moderated forum status.

Please give these individuals some time to reply as they all have a
life beyond USENET, unlike the resident troll who dedicates 24/7 to
trashing and troll the aquaria groups.


Oh and by the way, each of these individuals have a perfectly fine
functioning email address if you want further proof they are genuine
in their intents and purposes to have a group free of turmoil and
trolls. The ISP's addresses and servers mainly connected with the
resident troll is Bellsouth.net and Shared-secrets. Email addys are
usually a vindictive form of one of the above named email addy, and
often times simply .

If you desire to kill filter anyone kill filter on email address for
most effective filter use.

Thanks

Please feel free to respond with email oranother post, but please
start another thread as no replies attached to this memo post will be
acknowledged. Our goal is to make this and the opther aquaria groups a
useable means of information to all.


-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 4:08?pm, "Tynk" > wrote to Zebulon:

.. Every one is sick of your arguing.
> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
> If you do, you're a moron.


Well....
Yeah, she's a moron. Couldn't email a reply directly to me like I had
asked several times, nope....had to do it here.
P.S.....I didn't "flee" the moderated group. I still post there too.

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 6:45�pm, "Jen" > wrote:

>
> I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. *But when you go on
> arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
> you're the one giving bad info. *Everyone has their own opinions on things,
> and they all have a right to it. *Newbies just have to look at different
> opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
> conclusion. *The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
> mouth others.
>
> Jen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Jen,
It's very obvious that you are still new to this newsgroup.
In time you will learn to understand why so many people are sick and
tired of "Koi-Lo, aka "Zebulon", or what ever name she changes to so
often.
There are many groups she posts on and in every one of them she argues
with people constantly.
She twists words and quotes around, ads points to make an argument
about something the person she is replying to never even said, makes
untrue or (very often) gives incomplete information.
When somebody corrects her or posts the valid info she left out she
starts a big thing, like what you see going on now.
I do not give out false information. If I give my opinion, I say it's
my opinion. Giving facts is not giving an opinion.
There's a huge difference there, and a newbie doesn't always know the
difference between them.
This is where the problem lies quite often with Zebulon (carol).
You will learn over time I'm not the bad guy here.
You're too new still and I believe you are thinking we are ganging up
on Zebulon. There are years worth of her acting like a doofus, and the
folks that have been around here for that long know all too well about
her.
Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.
Years ago when I first replied to some incorrect info she posted about
Bettas, I got TONS of emails warning me about what I was in for.
Sure enough, she did and acted exactly as every one of those people
had said she would, and she still hasn't quit yet.
Many folks have her killfiled, meaning they can't see what she's
posting, but trust me....there are so many people who are so sick of
her behavior.
I usually only post to Rec.Aquariu.freshwater misc, and The Freshwater
Aquarium (the moderated group SO many of us moved to because of her
crap). It got that bad!
So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

[~ jan]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:12:31 -0600, Concerned Aquaria Group Members wrote:

>~ JanJ >
> Ponds, Plants and Koi/ Goldfish

Just so people realize the above anti-spam e-mail requires one to go to my
website www.jjspond.us to get my real addy. Which currently is:
jjspond06 at jjspond.us ~ jan

[Truth Seeker]

"Concerned Aquaria Group Members" aka Roy "Tristan" Hauer" net-stalker
> wrote in message
...

[REJECTION] = Repetitious Content. Slander. Stalking. False Accusations.
Imtimidation. Threats. Further attempts to intrude on normal conversations
will result in summary deletion of all your posts, unread, for
a period of one week. Proving a negative is fallacious argument. Provide
proof you've ever
helped anyone for re-instatement.

> AQUARIA GROUPS INFO
> There is a resident troll whose user name changes so frequently there
> is no need to even mention it. Please do not be afraid to ask any
> questions or leave any comments you feel are needed, but above all for
> your own good and the fish's, ensure who you get information from is
> from a valid safe and reasonable source. The individuals listed below
> are more than willing to help and provide proper information or
> point you to a resource that can.


[REJECTION] = Spurious Conjecture. Truth is the ultimate defense against
specious argument. Signs if Insanity and obsession with victim.

>
> Below is a list of real folks concerned for the fishes care and more
> than willing to help in any way they can. Since this resident troll
> will take on any other members user name in an attempt to confuse and
> add turmoil to the group, check the header or email address to ensure
> your nor dealing with the resident troll.


[REJECTION] = Spurious Conjecture. Truth is the ultimate defense against
specious argument. Signs if Insanity and obsession with victim.

> While every effort has been made to make this an up to date list there
> are more and more concerned and helpfull folks asking to be added
> every week, and as they come on board they will be added. It is
> adviseable to only take info, espeically for health related fish
> issues or before spending $$$$ to use the folks listed on this info
> memo. The moderated group is temporarily at a setback which we hope
> to overcome ASAP, so we need to try and make the best of a bad
> situation in this group as possible.

[REJECTION] = Repetitious Content. Slander. Stalking. False Accusations.
Imtimidation. Threats. Further attempts to intrude on normal conversations
will result in summary deletion of all your posts, unread, for
a period of one week. Proving a negative is fallacious argument. Provide
proof you've ever
helped anyone for re-instatement.

>
> Regards
>
>
> JanJ >
> Ponds, Plants and Koi/ Goldfish
>
> Gill >
> Aquar Fish and Plants and Fish in general
>
> Tristan >
> Mud Ponds and Pond fish and Marine fish
>
> Tynk >
> Aquarium Fish and Fish in General
>
> Galen >
> Ponds and pond fish in General as well as an up to date link on
> moderated forum status.
>
> Please give these individuals some time to reply as they all have a
> life beyond USENET, unlike the resident troll who dedicates 24/7 to
> trashing and troll the aquaria groups.
>
>
> Oh and by the way, each of these individuals have a perfectly fine
> functioning email address if you want further proof they are genuine
> in their intents and purposes to have a group free of turmoil and
> trolls. The ISP's addresses and servers mainly connected with the
> resident troll is Bellsouth.net and Shared-secrets. Email addys are
> usually a vindictive form of one of the above named email addy, and
> often times simply .
>
> If you desire to kill filter anyone kill filter on email address for
> most effective filter use.
>
> Thanks
>
> Please feel free to respond with email oranother post, but please
> start another thread as no replies attached to this memo post will be
> acknowledged. Our goal is to make this and the opther aquaria groups a
> useable means of information to all.
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Zebulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 4:08?pm, "Tynk" > wrote to Zebulon:
>
> . Every one is sick of your arguing.

And everyone is sick of your rudeness and arrogance. You have your safe
moderated Google group so why come back here to argue with people? No one
is going to your safe group and arguing with you there.

>> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
>> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
>> If you do, you're a moron.
>
>
> Well....
> Yeah, she's a moron.

See? Here's your typical arrogance and name calling like a spoiled little
girl tossing a hissy fit. Have you asked RoyHauer to stop reposting your
old messages here?

Couldn't email a reply directly to me like I had
> asked several times, nope....had to do it here.
> P.S.....I didn't "flee" the moderated group. I still post there too.

Roy "Tristan" Houer REPOSTED your old message. I'm not Roy Hauer. :-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Troll free pond and fish Forum:
http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=104
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Concerned Aquaria Group Members]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 16, 4:08?pm, "Tynk" > wrote to Zebulon:
>
> . Every one is sick of your arguing.
>> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
>> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
>> If you do, you're a moron.

[REJECTION] = Repetitious Content. Slander. Further attempts to intrude
on
conversations will result in summary deletion of all your posts, unread, for
a period of one week. Proving a negative is fallacious argument. Provide
proof you've ever
helped anyone for re-instatement.
>
>
> Well....
> Yeah, she's a moron.

[REJECTION] = Arrogance. Name Calling. Unable to control emotional
responses.

Couldn't email a reply directly to me like I had
> asked several times, nope....had to do it here.
> P.S.....I didn't "flee" the moderated group. I still post there too.
>

[Concerned Aquaria Group Members]

"Tristan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Hmmmmmmm
> Carol calling Tynk rude and nasty is like the pot calling the kettle
> black......duh.......carol you really do not have the foggiest idea
> that you need help do you?Trust us, you need help, and you need it
> quick! today, right now, not tomorrow!

[REJECTION] = Repetitious Content. Disruption Of Group. False
Accusations. Further attempts to intrude on
conversations will result in summary deletion of all your posts, unread, for
a period of one week. Proving a negative is fallacious argument.
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:37:16 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> <<>>> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Insane nonsense snipped
> <<>>>
> <<>>> What part of STOP don't you understand?
> <<>>
> <<>>What part don't YOU understand and why are you always so rude? I
> didn't
> <<>>repost your message = Tristan did.
> <<>>
> <<>>> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
> <<>>
> <<>>No, but you must be to think I'm Roy Tristan Hauer who reposted your
> <<>>message - and why are you always so rude and nasty?
> <<>>
> <<>><snip>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Concerned Aquaria Group Members]

Roy "Tristan" Hauer Net-Stalker > wrote in
message ...
> Its not anything that has not been told to you many many times
> before carol yet you never do take the advice.......you dumbass!

[REJECTION] = Spurious Conjecture. Truth is the ultimate defense against
specious argument. Signs if Insanity and obsession with victim.

>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:04:39 -0600, Zëbulon >
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Jen" > wrote in message
> ...
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>> Not again! Why do you bother answering? Jusst killfile the person
> you are
> <<>> arguing with, so the rest of us don't have to see it.
> <<>>=================
> <<>>Excellent advice. Thank you!
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

~ jan wrote:

>
> Just so people realize the above anti-spam e-mail requires one to go to my
> website www.jjspond.us to get my real addy. Which currently is:
> jjspond06 at jjspond.us ~ jan

A bit of a me too.....there is a basic anti-spam trap in the email
address published - it is currently gill at gillsfish.co.uk - and just
in case anyone is wondering I have no commercial interests just got
lucky when searching for a domain
Gill

[Concerned Aquaria Group Users]

Re: Read me--AQUARIA GROUPS INFORMATION NOTE--Read me.


AQUARIA GROUPS INFO
There is a resident troll whose user name changes so frequently there
is no need to even mention it. Please do not be afraid to ask any
questions or leave any comments you feel are needed, but above all for
your own good and the fish's, ensure who you get information from is
from a valid safe and reasonable source. The individuals listed below
are more than willing to help and provide proper information or
point you to a resource that can.

Below is a list of real folks concerned for the fishes care and more
than willing to help in any way they can. Since this resident troll
will take on any other members user name in an attempt to confuse and
add turmoil to the group, check the header or email address to ensure
your nor dealing with the resident troll.

While every effort has been made to make this an up to date list there
are more and more concerned and helpfull folks asking to be added
every week, and as they come on board they will be added. It is
adviseable to only take info, espeically for health related fish
issues or before spending $$$$ to use the folks listed on this info
memo. The moderated group is temporarily at a setback which we hope
to overcome ASAP, so we need to try and make the best of a bad
situation in this group as possible.

Regards
Concerned Folks of the Aquaria Groups

JanJ Remove "nospam"
Ponds, Plants and Koi/ Goldfish

Gill Remove "nospamat"
Aquar Fish and Plants and Fish in general

Dr. Solo (Ingrid) Remove "xx"
Fish in General mainly Goldies and Koi and ponds

Tristan tristansaintjohnATyahoo.com
Mud Ponds and Pond fish and Marine fish

TYNK TYNK7ATaol.com
Aquarium Fish and Fish in General

Galen <ghekhuisATearthlink.net>
Ponds and pond fish in General as well as an up to date link on
moderated forum status.

Remove the "spam trap" AT and use @ in all other email addys.

Please give these individuals some time to reply as they all have a
life beyond USENET, unlike the resident troll who dedicates 24/7 to
trashing and troll the aquaria groups.


Oh and by the way, each of these individuals have a perfectly fine
functioning email address if you want further proof they are genuine
in their intents and purposes to have a group free of turmoil and
trolls. The ISP's addresses and servers mainly connected with the
resident troll is Bellsouth.net and Shared-secrets. Email addys are
usually a vindictive form of one of the above named email addy, and
often times simply .

If you desire to kill filter anyone kill filter on email address for
most effective filter use, since a lot of user names are stolen in an
attempt to discredit this post.

Thanks

Please feel free to respond with email or another post, but please
start another thread as no replies attached to this memo post will be
acknowledged. Our goal is to make this and the other aquaria groups a
useable means of information to all.






-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 16, 6:40�pm, "Jen" > wrote:

> I'm so glad there at least some people here that see sense. *Hopefully he
> takes your good advice.
>
> Jen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jen,
In this reply you refer to as a *he*.
I am a woman. = )

[Tristan]

Names are certainly deceiving. I had Gill pegged as a male
also......I liked to have done a double take when I did find out she
was in fact female!




On 18 Feb 2007 15:12:13 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Feb 16, 6:40?pm, "Jen" > wrote:
<<>>
<<>>> I'm so glad there at least some people here that see sense. opefully he
<<>>> takes your good advice.
<<>>>
<<>>> Jen- Hide quoted text -
<<>>>
<<>>> - Show quoted text -
<<>>
<<>>Jen,
<<>>In this reply you refer to as a *he*.
<<>>I am a woman. = )
<<>>
<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 18, 1:24?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:

Wow....
It's amazing the bullcrap that comes out of you.
I've snipped the entire post because of so many lies, twisted words,
etc.
What a sad person you must be.
Look how much space you took up when it could have been used for
useful info about fish and their care.
You want proof...YOU take the time to go back through the archives and
go back to the begining where I corrected your
incorrect "info" you gave out on Bettas. More than just I corrected
you, but you only took offense to me.
That happened over and over. I have a life and don't have the time to
go through threads of info that I already know it true.
You seem to find it outrageous that I called you a moron for replying
here instead of emailing me directly, as to not take up any more space
here. You called me a bitch in one of your recent replies to me. It
also wasn't the first time either.
I have asked over and over that you do not reply to me here and to do
it via email, as to not waste space here anymore. That if you did
reply here you would have to be a moron.
You replied over and over after that. So yeah, you must be a moron.
"Here's your sign" = )~

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 6:40?pm, "Jen" > wrote:

> I'm so glad there at least some people here that see sense. Hopefully he
> takes your good advice.
>
> Jen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jen,
In this reply you refer to as a *he*.
I am a woman. = )

Sorry.

Jen

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 18, 1:24?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Wow....
> It's amazing the bullcrap that comes out of you.
> I've snipped the entire post because of so many lies, twisted words,
> etc.
> What a sad person you must be.
> Look how much space you took up when it could have been used for
> useful info about fish and their care.
> You want proof...YOU take the time to go back through the archives and
> go back to the begining where I corrected your
> incorrect "info" you gave out on Bettas. More than just I corrected
> you, but you only took offense to me.
> That happened over and over. I have a life and don't have the time to
> go through threads of info that I already know it true.
> You seem to find it outrageous that I called you a moron for replying
> here instead of emailing me directly, as to not take up any more space
> here. You called me a bitch in one of your recent replies to me. It
> also wasn't the first time either.
> I have asked over and over that you do not reply to me here and to do
> it via email, as to not waste space here anymore. That if you did
> reply here you would have to be a moron.
> You replied over and over after that. So yeah, you must be a moron.
> "Here's your sign" = )~
>
>

Please stop! I've already killfiled whoever it is you're answering. But if
you keep going on off topic like this. I'll killfile you too, even though I
don't really want to.

This is getting so ridiculous. I might just unsubscribe to this group.
Which I don't want to.

Jen

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 16, 6:45?pm, "Jen" > wrote:

>
> I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
> arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
> you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on things,
> and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at different
> opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
> conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
> mouth others.
>
> Jen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Jen,
It's very obvious that you are still new to this newsgroup.
In time you will learn to understand why so many people are sick and
tired of "Koi-Lo, aka "Zebulon", or what ever name she changes to so
often.

I'm getting a bit sick of you going on as well, actually.

There are many groups she posts on and in every one of them she argues
with people constantly.
She twists words and quotes around, ads points to make an argument
about something the person she is replying to never even said, makes
untrue or (very often) gives incomplete information.
When somebody corrects her or posts the valid info she left out she
starts a big thing, like what you see going on now.

Because you're answering her.

I do not give out false information.

How does anyone know that?

If I give my opinion, I say it's
my opinion. Giving facts is not giving an opinion.
There's a huge difference there, and a newbie doesn't always know the
difference between them.
This is where the problem lies quite often with Zebulon (carol).
You will learn over time I'm not the bad guy here.
You're too new still and I believe you are thinking we are ganging up
on Zebulon.

No. Actually I can't tell who's complaining about who. I think I've
killfiled the worst ones, but you are getting just as bad.

There are years worth of her acting like a doofus, and the
folks that have been around here for that long know all too well about
her.
Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.

I've already killfiled her anyway.

Years ago when I first replied to some incorrect info she posted about
Bettas, I got TONS of emails warning me about what I was in for.
Sure enough, she did and acted exactly as every one of those people
had said she would, and she still hasn't quit yet.
Many folks have her killfiled, meaning they can't see what she's
posting, but trust me....there are so many people who are so sick of
her behavior.

They're probably more sick of yours at the moment.

I usually only post to Rec.Aquariu.freshwater misc, and The Freshwater
Aquarium (the moderated group SO many of us moved to because of her
crap). It got that bad!
So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of it.

Jen

[Gill Passman]

Jen wrote:

> Jen,
> In this reply you refer to as a *he*.
> I am a woman. = )
>
> Sorry.
>
> Jen
>
>
>
>

No worries Jen, I'm sure that Tynk does not take offense at such an
easily made assumption....most people think I am male when I am
not...but hey, ho in the Usenet world it doesn't matter because noone
knows who anyone is in reality.....what actually matters is getting the
correct information out to someone needing help without the posts
vanishing under a mire of other rubbish.....we are working on it.....but
if you do need urgent advice a good place to go for now is The
Freshwater Aquarium which is a google group.....maybe one day normal
service will be resumed on the Usenet groups but right now we do our
best.....in fact you will find TFA a very vibrant and active group if
you go take a look....the link is:-


http://groups.google.co.uk/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium?lnk=li&hl=en

It is a very mildly moderated group....that maintains a spirit of usenet
combined with a more modern approach (oh and no trolls) - well whatever
is driven by the members....

Gill

[Tynk]

On Feb 18, 6:41?pm, "Jen" > wrote:

>
> I do not give out false information.
>
> How does anyone know that?


It's quite easy to know the difference. Facts can be checked via a
search. Also, if I state an opinion, I say *in my opinion* or IMO for
short. That way anyone new would be able to tell the difference.


> Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
> of time.
>
> I've already killfiled her anyway.

That's wonderful.
However, newbies posting here that do not know any better may take
something that is somebody's opinion as fact, or something that is
incorrect as being true. I don't like leaving false, misleading,
incomplete info out there so some newbie could run into trouble.
When somebody other than she does the same, I will either correct it,
mention it's their opinion, or fill in the blanks like I always have.
Nobody ever has a problem with it, only her.
If you were reading a thread here and found false info, or very
incomplete info, and you knew better....wouldn't you post a reply to
fix it?
I would hope so.
This is how folks learn.
Sometimes it's new info to the hobby that was once thought to be
right, but isn't anymore.
Such as the nitrifying bacteria adhering to all surfaces in the tank.
It was once thought they were floating about in the water column
(which they are not) and that vacuuming the gravel would remove too
many of them during a cycling period (which it does not).
This info was recently learned within like the past 10 yrs.
For us that have been in the hobby for 30-50 + years, that was all new
to us.
The one inch of fish per gallon rule was learned many years ago to be
way too vague and useless for anything other than feeder gups, neons
and other fish of similar size. Too many variables dictate how many
fish can be stocked in X amount of gallons.
This is where correcting old, false info comes into play.


> So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
> true picture of what's really going on.
>
> With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of it.
>
> Jen

That's great.

[Dave Doe]

In article >,
says...
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Feb 18, 1:24?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
> >
> > Wow....
> > It's amazing the bullcrap that comes out of you.
> > I've snipped the entire post because of so many lies, twisted words,
> > etc.
> > What a sad person you must be.
> > Look how much space you took up when it could have been used for
> > useful info about fish and their care.
> > You want proof...YOU take the time to go back through the archives and
> > go back to the begining where I corrected your
> > incorrect "info" you gave out on Bettas. More than just I corrected
> > you, but you only took offense to me.
> > That happened over and over. I have a life and don't have the time to
> > go through threads of info that I already know it true.
> > You seem to find it outrageous that I called you a moron for replying
> > here instead of emailing me directly, as to not take up any more space
> > here. You called me a bitch in one of your recent replies to me. It
> > also wasn't the first time either.
> > I have asked over and over that you do not reply to me here and to do
> > it via email, as to not waste space here anymore. That if you did
> > reply here you would have to be a moron.
> > You replied over and over after that. So yeah, you must be a moron.
> > "Here's your sign" = )~
> >
> >
>
> Please stop! I've already killfiled whoever it is you're answering. But if
> you keep going on off topic like this. I'll killfile you too, even though I
> don't really want to.
>
> This is getting so ridiculous. I might just unsubscribe to this group.
> Which I don't want to.
>
> Jen

You've killedfiled the wrong person. It's not rocket science to see
this "Concerned Aauaria Group Members" person is the (new nick) troll.
Have a look at all the posts.

Zebulon's (also under prev nicks), although she replies unecessarily
(IMO) to posts of late from this Tristan person, she's been around here
for ages and provides good and valuable advice that I'e used.

--
Duncan

[Zebulon]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 18, 1:24?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> Wow....
> It's amazing the bullcrap that comes out of you.
> I've snipped the entire post because of so many lies, twisted words,
> etc.
> What a sad person you must be.--- SNIP ---
=============================
Your psychology wont work with me Tynk. Slander an baiting me wont work
anyone either.

Fight with yourself. You're not worth my time.......
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Zebulon]

"Dave Doe" > wrote in message
. nz...
>> You've killedfiled the wrong person. It's not rocket science to see
> this "Concerned Aauaria Group Members" person is the (new nick) troll.
> Have a look at all the posts.
>
> Zebulon's (also under prev nicks), although she replies unecessarily
> (IMO) to posts of late from this Tristan person, she's been around here
> for ages and provides good and valuable advice that I'e used.
=============================
As have many other people and there has never been a problem before the
troll envision and slander started. I've been on and off this group since
1996. For all this so called "bad advice" (difference of opinion and
experiences actually) that I'm supposed to have given out "recently," I
haven't had one person take my advice and regret it.

I made the fatal mistake on disagreeing strongly here with one person and
sadly, that person can't let it go.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

[Tristan]

Can someone please explain this to our resident troll....... somewhere
along the line she lost the entire content and target of this
post......or perhaps she just convieniently twisted and worded it to
her advantage Everyone on these forums are not the fools you seem to
think they are.........There is only one fool, need i mention who I am
referring to........no, its pretty self evident who it is!




..On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:11:54 -0600, Zëbulon >
wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Dave Doe" > wrote in message
. nz...
<<>>>> You've killedfiled the wrong person. It's not rocket science to see
<<>>> this "Concerned Aauaria Group Members" person is the (new nick) troll.
<<>>> Have a look at all the posts.
<<>>>
<<>>> Zebulon's (also under prev nicks), although she replies unecessarily
<<>>> (IMO) to posts of late from this Tristan person, she's been around here
<<>>> for ages and provides good and valuable advice that I'e used.
<<>>=============================
<<>>As have many other people and there has never been a problem before the
<<>>troll envision and slander started. I've been on and off this group since
<<>>1996. For all this so called "bad advice" (difference of opinion and
<<>>experiences actually) that I'm supposed to have given out "recently," I
<<>>haven't had one person take my advice and regret it.
<<>>
<<>>I made the fatal mistake on disagreeing strongly here with one person and
<<>>sadly, that person can't let it go.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Jen]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 18, 6:41?pm, "Jen" > wrote:
>
>>
>> I do not give out false information.
>>
>> How does anyone know that?
>
>
> It's quite easy to know the difference. Facts can be checked via a
> search. Also, if I state an opinion, I say *in my opinion* or IMO for
> short. That way anyone new would be able to tell the difference.
>

If it's that easy, why come here at all?

>
>> Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
>> of time.
>>
>> I've already killfiled her anyway.
>
> That's wonderful.
> However, newbies posting here that do not know any better may take
> something that is somebody's opinion as fact, or something that is
> incorrect as being true. I don't like leaving false, misleading,
> incomplete info out there so some newbie could run into trouble.
> When somebody other than she does the same, I will either correct it,
> mention it's their opinion, or fill in the blanks like I always have.
> Nobody ever has a problem with it, only her.
> If you were reading a thread here and found false info, or very
> incomplete info, and you knew better....wouldn't you post a reply to
> fix it?

Certainly. But when you attack the other person, you lose credibility.
Just give your own opposing advice, that's all you need to do.

> I would hope so.
> This is how folks learn.
> Sometimes it's new info to the hobby that was once thought to be
> right, but isn't anymore.
> Such as the nitrifying bacteria adhering to all surfaces in the tank.
> It was once thought they were floating about in the water column
> (which they are not) and that vacuuming the gravel would remove too
> many of them during a cycling period (which it does not).
> This info was recently learned within like the past 10 yrs.
> For us that have been in the hobby for 30-50 + years, that was all new
> to us.
> The one inch of fish per gallon rule was learned many years ago to be
> way too vague and useless for anything other than feeder gups, neons
> and other fish of similar size. Too many variables dictate how many
> fish can be stocked in X amount of gallons.
> This is where correcting old, false info comes into play.
>
>
>> So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
>> true picture of what's really going on.
>>
>> With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of
>> it.
>>
>> Jen
>
> That's great.


>
>

[Jen]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Jen wrote:
>
>> Jen,
>> In this reply you refer to as a *he*.
>> I am a woman. = )
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> Jen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> No worries Jen, I'm sure that Tynk does not take offense at such an easily
> made assumption....most people think I am male when I am not...but hey, ho
> in the Usenet world it doesn't matter because noone knows who anyone is in
> reality.....what actually matters is getting the correct information out
> to someone needing help without the posts vanishing under a mire of other
> rubbish.....we are working on it.....but if you do need urgent advice a
> good place to go for now is The Freshwater Aquarium which is a google
> group.....maybe one day normal service will be resumed on the Usenet
> groups but right now we do our best.....in fact you will find TFA a very
> vibrant and active group if you go take a look....the link is:-
>
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium?lnk=li&hl=en
>
> It is a very mildly moderated group....that maintains a spirit of usenet
> combined with a more modern approach (oh and no trolls) - well whatever is
> driven by the members....

I prefer Usenet. But I'll keep the link, because I've almost had enough of
all the people attacking eachother here.

thanks

Jen

[Jen]

"Dave Doe" > wrote in message
. nz...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > On Feb 18, 1:24?pm, Z?bulon > wrote:
>> >
>> > Wow....
>> > It's amazing the bullcrap that comes out of you.
>> > I've snipped the entire post because of so many lies, twisted words,
>> > etc.
>> > What a sad person you must be.
>> > Look how much space you took up when it could have been used for
>> > useful info about fish and their care.
>> > You want proof...YOU take the time to go back through the archives and
>> > go back to the begining where I corrected your
>> > incorrect "info" you gave out on Bettas. More than just I corrected
>> > you, but you only took offense to me.
>> > That happened over and over. I have a life and don't have the time to
>> > go through threads of info that I already know it true.
>> > You seem to find it outrageous that I called you a moron for replying
>> > here instead of emailing me directly, as to not take up any more space
>> > here. You called me a bitch in one of your recent replies to me. It
>> > also wasn't the first time either.
>> > I have asked over and over that you do not reply to me here and to do
>> > it via email, as to not waste space here anymore. That if you did
>> > reply here you would have to be a moron.
>> > You replied over and over after that. So yeah, you must be a moron.
>> > "Here's your sign" = )~
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Please stop! I've already killfiled whoever it is you're answering. But
>> if
>> you keep going on off topic like this. I'll killfile you too, even though
>> I
>> don't really want to.
>>
>> This is getting so ridiculous. I might just unsubscribe to this group.
>> Which I don't want to.
>>
>> Jen
>
> You've killedfiled the wrong person.

I disagree. If they argue and carry on, they're going into my killfile.

It's not rocket science to see
> this "Concerned Aauaria Group Members" person is the (new nick) troll.
> Have a look at all the posts.

Not interested.

>
> Zebulon's (also under prev nicks), although she replies unecessarily
> (IMO) to posts of late from this Tristan person, she's been around here
> for ages and provides good and valuable advice that I'e used.

Don't care. She was being a fool.

Jen

[Nekojin]

On Feb 16, 10:51 am, Zëbulon > wrote:
> "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> ...> On 14 Feb 2007 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make a
> > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > <<>>about that......... (snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> ==============================
> And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish in
> all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> I

Remember the poor info you gave about Betas? Tynk whup you on that one.

[Nekojin]

On Feb 16, 11:33 am, "Tynk" > wrote:
> On Feb 16, 10:11?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> > On Feb 16, 9:51?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> > > "Tristan" > wrote in message
>
> > ...> On 14 Feb 2007
> > > 08:00:37 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > > > snip lots of good stuff
>
> > > > <<>>I don't exactly like or agree with how Tristan posts about Koi-Lo,
> > > > <<>>Zebulon or whatever name she is using at the moment, but he did make
> > > > a
> > > > <<>>point that was right. She has quite the habit of giving out wrong or
> > > > <<>>(so often) incomplete information and wanted to exapand on his point
> > > > <<>>about that......... ?(snip same old BS we've all heard before)
>
> > > ==============================
> > > And yet not one person has ever complained I harmed or killed their fish
> > > in
> > > all these years. NOT ONE! ....... NUFF SAID! :-))
>
> > NO ONE EVER SAID YOU DID!!!!!
> > Stop trying to bait an argument!
> > ================
> > THEN STOP CLAIMING I'M GIVING BAD ADVICE! ?If it was so bad there would be
> > at least a few complaints over the years. There are none!
>
> Bad memory going on or what!?
> You have been replied to countless times for giving out bad, false or
> incomplete information over the years.
> If you want to argue this point, do it by emailing me directly! Stop
> posting this crap on here!
> If you don't have a question or some valid information about fish,
> don't post it here.
> Your reply was just another example of you bait a person into an
> argument.
> DO IT VIA EMAIL, NOT HERE!

Saying this to Carol is like talking to a wall

[Nekojin]

Classic...
On Feb 16, 5:08 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
> Zebulon, Koi-Lo, Uncle Zed, and all the rest of the names you use.....
>
> Just one last thing I've noticed about you and where you post.
> I access this group via Google and it lists all the groups you post
> to, and the names which you post in (many).
> All you do, in all of these groups is argue and cause problems.
> I, on the other hand, am simply correcting your errors, or completing
> incomplete info you leave on here.
> I only have this one screen name, as I have no need to hide behind
> several names.
> Many of the regs and the highly knowledgeable hobbyists either have
> you killfiled or won't even come here anymore because of YOU.
> That leaves only a few brave people who will acutally put up with the
> crap you put us through when you need to be corrected or finish giving
> the info you neglected to.
> Don't tell me to put you in my killfile, as you are the one that needs
> help with your info. Not always, but over the years it has been often.
> You are quite knowledgeable when it comes to Goldfish. I give you all
> the credit you deserve there. But when it comes to some other things,
> not so much.
> It takes a big person to say ok...I did not know that, and learn from
> it instead of constantly arguing the same lame information.
> Being that you are not that type of person, you don't ever learn. You
> refuse to and then argue about it.
> I hope this group becomes moderated soon too.
> You don't want that to happen to this or the other groups because you
> know you will be gone and will have nothing to do with your time.
> I for one, can't wait.
> The moderated groups I post at are wonderful!
> The Freshwater Aquarium group is where all the most knowledgeable
> folks that used to post here went to because of you.
> That says so much. Every one is sick of your arguing.
> Once again, if you want to reply to me DO IT VIA EMAIL!
> My email address is right there. You have NO NEED to reply to me here.
> If you do, you're a moron.

[Nekojin]

On Feb 16, 7:40 pm, "Jen" > wrote:
> "Don Freeman" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >> On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon > wrote:
>
> >> Insane nonsense snipped
>
> >> What part of STOP don't you understand?
> >> What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?
>
> > Tynk,
> > Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
> > in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
> > others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
> > take into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep
> > from having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.
>
> I'm so glad there at least some people here that see sense. Hopefully he
> takes your good advice.
>
> Jen

Jen is Carol,

This is what Carol does when she gets whupped. She wants the thread to
stop because she lost an argument.

Now I ask the future RPM moderators. Content or poster?

[tsj]

Read me--AQUARIA GROUPS INFORMATION NOTE--Read me.


AQUARIA GROUPS INFO
There is a resident troll whose user name changes so frequently there
is no need to even mention it. Please do not be afraid to ask any
questions or leave any comments you feel are needed, but above all for
your own good and the fish's, ensure who you get information from is
from a valid safe and reasonable source. The individuals listed below
are more than willing to help and provide proper information or
point you to a resource that can.

Below is a list of real folks concerned for the fishes care and more
than willing to help in any way they can. Since this resident troll
will take on any other members user name in an attempt to confuse and
add turmoil to the group, check the header or email address to ensure
your nor dealing with the resident troll.

While every effort has been made to make this an up to date list there
are more and more concerned and helpfull folks asking to be added
every week, and as they come on board they will be added. It is
adviseable to only take info, espeically for health related fish
issues or before spending $$$$ to use the folks listed on this info
memo. The moderated group is temporarily at a setback which we hope
to overcome ASAP, so we need to try and make the best of a bad
situation in this group as possible.

Regards
Concerned Folks of the Aquaria Groups

JanJ Remove "nospam"
Ponds, Plants and Koi/ Goldfish

Gill Remove "nospamat"
Aquar Fish and Plants and Fish in general

Dr. Solo (Ingrid) Remove "xx"
Fish in General mainly Goldies and Koi and ponds

Tristan tristansaintjohnATyahoo.com
Mud Ponds and Pond fish and Marine fish

TYNK TYNK7ATaol.com
Aquarium Fish and Fish in General

Galen <ghekhuisATearthlink.net>
Ponds and pond fish in General as well as an up to date link on
moderated forum status.

Remove the "spam trap" AT and use @ in all other email addys.

Please give these individuals some time to reply as they all have a
life beyond USENET, unlike the resident troll who dedicates 24/7 to
trashing and troll the aquaria groups.


Oh and by the way, each of these individuals have a perfectly fine
functioning email address if you want further proof they are genuine
in their intents and purposes to have a group free of turmoil and
trolls. The ISP's addresses and servers mainly connected with the
resident troll is Bellsouth.net and Shared-secrets. Email addys are
usually a vindictive form of one of the above named email addy, and
often times simply .

If you desire to kill filter anyone kill filter on email address for
most effective filter use, since a lot of user names are stolen in an
attempt to discredit this post.

Thanks

Please feel free to respond with email or another post, but please
start another thread as no replies attached to this memo post will be
acknowledged. Our goal is to make this and the other aquaria groups a
useable means of information to all.






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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!