Finally, I have Pearlscale Angels paired off.

[Tynk]

Well finally!
After so many months (I bought several quarter sized youngsters last
year) and no action.
I recently added a male Gold pearlscale / gold marble cross to the mix
and things got going.
Sometimes it simply takes a little change up for things to get moving.
These two (male Gold pearlscale and a Silver pearlscale female)
never...ever showed any interest to one another.
Then a few nights ago I noticed them keeping everyone away fromt he
intake tube of the canister filter.
A few hours later they're spawning. I have pics too (Angelfish porn,
lol).
Being that I am healing from foot surgery I couldn't switch around
tanks to put the pair into their own tank.
Hubby doesn't have a clue as to what to do and it would be too much of
a hassle trying to explain everything to him. I figured I'd let this
batch of eggs go to the Pleco during the night and when I can switch
my old 6 yr old male Betta to a smaller tank (he's so spoiled, and not
going to like going to a 2 1/2g tank), remove the gravel and switch
filters they'll be good to go again.
They had a good practice first time of it.
Nobody ate even one egg, while one was doing their thing, the other
was either ready on stand by, or chasing off other fish.
It was both fish's first spawn. Both parents fanned the eggs and would
take turns while the other defended them.
They did a good job, so I have high hopes for them.
However....I've never had a gold/silver cross before. Anyone here have
that happen before?
I know it takes 2 Pearls to have pearlscale fry (not like my other
male cross...he has it in him and you can tell, as he is shinier than
normal, but not to the amount of a full pearl and lacks the bumbly
scales). SO I have no clue as to what the fry of a Gold / Silver cross
would look like.

[Tristan]

Ah cool fish porn, don't ya just love it. Angels are on my list of
fish to fool with once I can get sopme of my tanks rearanged. I have
basically an entire setup of tanks complete with
racks/lights/pumps/filters etcd, just as yu see installed at Deathco
stores (petco). I have both sides . Deathco here moved and I was told
my contractor they were goping top trash the entire setup of
tanks......it was well worth the time and effort to haul it
allhome.....


Anyway, is aged water a must? I managed to get a spawn from angels way
way back in the early 70's and the only thing that rings a bell was
aged water, heavily planted and light aeration...right water
parameters...ya got my interests peaked, now I have to start
researching them.

What is a recomended size tank to try and breed them in? 15? 20H? I
know the tanks from my deathco setup would not be suitable.

Regards



On 20 Feb 2007 08:29:49 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>Well finally!
<<>>After so many months (I bought several quarter sized youngsters last
<<>>year) and no action.
<<>>I recently added a male Gold pearlscale / gold marble cross to the mix
<<>>and things got going.
<<>>Sometimes it simply takes a little change up for things to get moving.
<<>>These two (male Gold pearlscale and a Silver pearlscale female)
<<>>never...ever showed any interest to one another.
<<>>Then a few nights ago I noticed them keeping everyone away fromt he
<<>>intake tube of the canister filter.
<<>>A few hours later they're spawning. I have pics too (Angelfish porn,
<<>>lol).
<<>>Being that I am healing from foot surgery I couldn't switch around
<<>>tanks to put the pair into their own tank.
<<>>Hubby doesn't have a clue as to what to do and it would be too much of
<<>>a hassle trying to explain everything to him. I figured I'd let this
<<>>batch of eggs go to the Pleco during the night and when I can switch
<<>>my old 6 yr old male Betta to a smaller tank (he's so spoiled, and not
<<>>going to like going to a 2 1/2g tank), remove the gravel and switch
<<>>filters they'll be good to go again.
<<>>They had a good practice first time of it.
<<>>Nobody ate even one egg, while one was doing their thing, the other
<<>>was either ready on stand by, or chasing off other fish.
<<>>It was both fish's first spawn. Both parents fanned the eggs and would
<<>>take turns while the other defended them.
<<>>They did a good job, so I have high hopes for them.
<<>>However....I've never had a gold/silver cross before. Anyone here have
<<>>that happen before?
<<>>I know it takes 2 Pearls to have pearlscale fry (not like my other
<<>>male cross...he has it in him and you can tell, as he is shinier than
<<>>normal, but not to the amount of a full pearl and lacks the bumbly
<<>>scales). SO I have no clue as to what the fry of a Gold / Silver cross
<<>>would look like.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

That's great Tynk.....I love it when we manage to create the correct
environments to prompt our fish to spawn....

I'm not sure even what sex my two angels are but they certainly act like
a pair.....they swim together all the time - like a pair of synchronised
swimmers - lol - not seen any action from them....pH in the tank is 7 at
the moment but it is due a water change which will almost certainly
raise it again - my tanks vary between the 7 and 8 depending on what is
in them or when I last did a water change - water is hard here....

Should be interesting to see what the colour mix is that you get from
the spawn (if they make it - fingers crossed....

Gill

[Tynk]

On Feb 20, 11:11�am, Tristan > wrote:
> Ah cool fish porn, don't ya just love it. Angels are on my list of
> fish to fool with once I can get sopme of my tanks rearanged. I have
> basically an entire setup of tanks complete with
> racks/lights/pumps/filters etcd, just as yu see installed at Deathco
> stores (petco). I have both sides . Deathco here moved and I was told
> my contractor they were goping top trash the entire setup of
> tanks......it was well worth the time and effort to haul it
> allhome.....
>
> Anyway, is aged water a must? I managed to get a spawn from angels way
> way back in the early 70's *and the only thing that rings a bell was
> aged water, heavily planted and light aeration...right water
> parameters...ya got my interests peaked, now I have to start
> researching *them. *
>
> What is a recomended size tank to try and breed them in? 15? 20H? I
> know the tanks from my deathco setup would not be suitable.
>
> Regards
>
Hi Tristan.
Aged water....do you mean a fully cycled tank or old water that is in
need of a changing?
That term means different things to different hobbyists.
Honestly, I don't know if they prefer it or not.
It would probably depend on the fish.
I prefer to use a cycled tank for them to spawn in (when setting up a
spawning tank for a pair).
That way they don't have to deal with cycling issues.
As for tank size....again, that's going to depend on the size of the
fish themselves.
Being that I have hard water and they do not grow to full size adult
Angelfish size (although it's not enough of a stunt in growth to
damage their internal organs and make them die a lot sooner than their
typical 8-10 yr life span).
I can keep a spawning pair in a tank as small as a bare 5g with a mini
sponge filter (I fashioned one myself), a mini heater, and tall skinny
piece of slate or PVC tubing, etc., to a 20gH or L, or 29g, on up.
With a normal sized pair, I would say anything from a bare (including
of course a heater and sponge filter) 10g to a 20gH is a prefered size
to use.
If you have larger...all the better. Especially if you are going to
have the parents raise the fry. Then I would say as large as 55g-75g.
I also like to add a heavy dose of Tetra's Black water Extract (you
may remember it as Black water tonic). I like to make the tank's water
look like a nice tea color. In hard water that stuff is a miracle.
In softer water I would say to probably follow the bottle directions.
In my liquid rock water I tend to do it by sight..and add a good
squirt daily until I see the right shade.
Not too scientific here am I, lol.
Now that I have my own RO unit I probably won't use so much of the
B.W.E.
I told hubby....if we ever move from here, the town's water supply
will be a MAJOR issue. I hate this hard water.
The town is building the Ion exchange things in several places around
the town because of Radium issues and they say it'll soften the water
some. I don't think it's exactly the same as RO water, but
almost....or I am totally wrong and it's the same. Don't know.
But if these systems were using an RO membrane it would be too costly
to keep it properly set up.
I know it costs me a lot to keep mine running properly and I'm only
running a 2g tank, or is it 3g. I forget. It takes up a lot of room
under my kitchen sink, that's for sure. Costs us like a $100.00 a year
just for 2 RO membranes a year. If we didn't get 2 a year, it wouldn't
be doing it's job properly.
I'm very leary (sp?) of ur town keeping these systems running
properly.
Our area of town doesn't have our's up yet. I think it'll be a couple
yrs still. We are the old section you know, lol. The town is run on
several wells, so each area will have it's own unit.
Not fun to be last when you're trying to keep fish that like softer
water.

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 20, 11:11�am, Tristan > wrote:
> Ah cool fish porn, don't ya just love it. Angels are on my list of
> fish to fool with once I can get sopme of my tanks rearanged. I have
> basically an entire setup of tanks complete with
> racks/lights/pumps/filters etcd, just as yu see installed at Deathco
> stores (petco). I have both sides . Deathco here moved and I was told
> my contractor they were goping top trash the entire setup of
> tanks......it was well worth the time and effort to haul it
> allhome.....
>
> Anyway, is aged water a must? I managed to get a spawn from angels way
> way back in the early 70's and the only thing that rings a bell was
> aged water, heavily planted and light aeration...right water
> parameters...ya got my interests peaked, now I have to start
> researching them.
>
> What is a recomended size tank to try and breed them in? 15? 20H? I
> know the tanks from my deathco setup would not be suitable.
>
> Regards

Hi Tristan.
Aged water....do you mean a fully cycled tank or old water that is in
need of a changing?
That term means different things to different hobbyists.

* Sometimes complete information isn't given by someone as you pointed out
to me more than a few times. We need to make sure complete info is give at
all times.

Honestly, I don't know if they prefer it or not.
It would probably depend on the fish.

* Exactly. There are variables as I point out constantly.

I prefer to use a cycled tank for them to spawn in (when setting up a
spawning tank for a pair).
That way they don't have to deal with cycling issues.
As for tank size....again, that's going to depend on the size of the
fish themselves.

* Right. What works for one person may not for another.

Being that I have hard water and they do not grow to full size adult
Angelfish size (although it's not enough of a stunt in growth to
damage their internal organs and make them die a lot sooner than their
typical 8-10 yr life span).

* We have hard water here and they reach full size. Hardness (7.2 to 7.8) is
due to calcium so make sure you give a complete reply. A complete reply
would mention that what happened to your angels may not happen to someone
else's angels.

<Brevity snip>
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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[Tristan]

And your point is what exactly, that you can hold a conversatin
without going off the deep end or that your now over your freaking
tantrum, or just out to show off the resurected user ID of Reel McKoi
once again....Oh, and I changed the subject tokeep from contaminating
others posts like you have a propensity of doing!

Now run along Carol, Jabbers is calling you <LOL>


On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:22:35 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
> wrote:

a bunch of miss quoted and bull **** just like always, in her vain
attempt to mask her true reasonings behind the post.....




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[Tynk]

On Feb 20, 2:22�pm, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> On Feb 20, 11:11?am, Tristan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ah cool fish porn, don't ya just love it. Angels are on my list of
> > fish to fool with once I can get sopme of my tanks rearanged. I have
> > basically an entire setup of tanks complete with
> > racks/lights/pumps/filters etcd, just as yu see installed at Deathco
> > stores (petco). I have both sides . Deathco here moved and I was told
> > my contractor they were goping top trash the entire setup of
> > tanks......it was well worth the time and effort to haul it
> > allhome.....
>
> > Anyway, is aged water a must? I managed to get a spawn from angels way
> > way back in the early 70's and the only thing that rings a bell was
> > aged water, heavily planted and light aeration...right water
> > parameters...ya got my interests peaked, now I have to start
> > researching them.
>
> > What is a recomended size tank to try and breed them in? 15? 20H? I
> > know the tanks from my deathco setup would not be suitable.
>
> > Regards
>
> Hi Tristan.
> Aged water....do you mean a fully cycled tank or old water that is in
> need of a changing?
> That term means different things to different hobbyists.
>
> * Sometimes complete information isn't given by someone as you pointed out
> to me more than a few times. *We need to make sure complete info is give at
> all times.
>
> Honestly, I don't know if they prefer it or not.
> It would probably depend on the fish.
>
> * Exactly. *There are variables as I point out constantly.
>
> I prefer to use a cycled tank for them to spawn in (when setting up a
> spawning tank for a pair).
> That way they don't have to deal with cycling issues.
> As for tank size....again, that's going to depend on the size of the
> fish themselves.
>
> * Right. *What works for one person may not for another.
>
> Being that I have hard water and they do not grow to full size adult
> Angelfish size (although it's not enough of a stunt in growth to
> damage their internal organs and make them die a lot sooner than their
> typical 8-10 yr life span).
>
> * We have hard water here and they reach full size. Hardness (7.2 to 7.8) is
> due to calcium so make sure you give a complete reply. *A complete reply
> would mention that what happened to your angels may not happen to someone
> else's angels.
>
> <Brevity snip>
> --
> RM....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> rec.ponder since late 1996.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> Troll free pond and fish Forum:http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=104
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Poor poor Carol.
Trying to start yet another argument.
Sorry....
Not going to make you happy.
Any moron can tell the difference bewteen an opinion and fact.
Your argument points are childish.
"Here's your sign"! lol

[The Concerned Aquaria Groups Member's]

Leaky killfile there Tynk? You should have given a complete reply the first
time.

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> > Ah cool fish porn, don't ya just love it. Angels are on my list of
> > fish to fool with once I can get sopme of my tanks rearanged. I have
> > basically an entire setup of tanks complete with
> > racks/lights/pumps/filters etcd, just as yu see installed at Deathco
> > stores (petco). I have both sides . Deathco here moved and I was told
> > my contractor they were goping top trash the entire setup of
> > tanks......it was well worth the time and effort to haul it
> > allhome.....
>

[Tynk]

On Feb 20, 6:53?pm, "The Concerned Aquaria Groups Member's"
> wrote:
> Leaky killfile there Tynk? You should have given a complete reply the first
> time.
>

Sniff sniff.....
Oh yuck! It's smells like trolls in here!

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
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> On Feb 20, 6:53?pm, "The Concerned Aquaria Groups Member's"
> > wrote:
>> Leaky killfile there Tynk? You should have given a complete reply the
>> first
>> time.
>>
>
> Sniff sniff.....
> Oh yuck! It's smells like trolls in here!
=============================
Then take a nice hot shower. :-)

Presto ... troll stink gone.
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
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[Tynk]

On Feb 21, 9:40?am, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

Yawn......
So bored with you.