Got fish?

[Tynk]

Such a shame....
Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?

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On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
> Such a shame....
> Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
> Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
> that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?

Yes, my big plant aquarium is now virtually cleared of blue-green
algae - without resorting to antibiotics. It was advice from the good
folks in this group and a protected group that made it happen.
Basically kept dosing quite a lot of nitrate, phosphate, potassium and
Seachem Excel, did a bi-weekly 30% water changes, and provided 12
hours of constant lighting per day. This differed from my earlier
maintenance where BGA was a problem, in that I rarely if ever used to
dose macronutrients and had not tried Excel.

Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
Google Groups!
d.

[Don Freeman]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
>> Such a shame....
>> Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
>> Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
>> that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?
>
> Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
> limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
> Google Groups!
> d.
>

The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it 15+
years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around and will be
long after Google Groups is dead and gone. Trolls come, trolls go, no
difference now then before. They either grow up or the mental disease that
makes them so finally destroys them.

I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going on.

--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

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On Feb 21, 3:18 pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it 15+
> years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around and will be
> long after Google Groups is dead and gone. ..

> I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going on.
>
It seems the pond people are having a time getting a moderated group
going due to lack of useable tools. In contrast, on Google Groups or
the like it's no problem at all to (lightly) manage a discussion
group.

Re: ridding the aquarium of blue-green (BGA), I think the big school
of red platies has helped, and also encouraging growth of floating
plants by hand-removing BGA from them.

Come to think of it, BGA and nuisance posters have much in
common :o) .
d.

[Don Freeman]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 21, 3:18 pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
>> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
>> 15+
>> years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around and will
>> be
>> long after Google Groups is dead and gone. ..
>
>
> Re: ridding the aquarium of blue-green (BGA), I think the big school
> of red platies has helped, and also encouraging growth of floating
> plants by hand-removing BGA from them.
>
> Come to think of it, BGA and nuisance posters have much in
> common :o) .
>

I prefer the algae. More intelligent for one thing.

--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

[Tynk]

On Feb 21, 2:05?pm, wrote:
> On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> > Such a shame....
> > Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
> > Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
> > that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?
>
> Yes, my big plant aquarium is now virtually cleared of blue-green
> algae - without resorting to antibiotics. It was advice from the good
> folks in this group and a protected group that made it happen.
> Basically kept dosing quite a lot of nitrate, phosphate, potassium and
> Seachem Excel, did a bi-weekly 30% water changes, and provided 12
> hours of constant lighting per day. This differed from my earlier
> maintenance where BGA was a problem, in that I rarely if ever used to
> dose macronutrients and had not tried Excel.
>
> Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
> limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
> Google Groups!
> d.

Congrats on giving the boot to Cyanobacteria!!
WooHoo! That's not an easy task.
Especially when you don't use antibiotics.

[Tynk]

On Feb 21, 2:36�pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Feb 21, 3:18 pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> >> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
> >> 15+
> >> years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. *It's still around and will
> >> be
> >> long after Google Groups is dead and gone. ..
>
> > Re: ridding the aquarium of blue-green (BGA), I think the big school
> > of red platies has helped, and also encouraging growth of floating
> > plants by hand-removing BGA from them.
>
> > Come to think of it, BGA and nuisance posters have much in
> > common :o) .
>
> I prefer the algae. *More intelligent for one thing.

I agree!
I'll take BGA any day.
I've been there personally more than once.
The first time it was introduced with potted plants.
The second and several other times...it came from our city well water.
It came down to tracking down what changed with our water, as nothing
new was added to any of the tanks that were hit.
Simple water changes....that's all.
I found out from the water dept. top guy that the time I was telling
him when I started seeing this bacteria, one of our main wells needed
to be shut down and repaired. They had switched to a shallow, hardly
used well. Well fun for all of us with fish tanks in the town!
The bacteria fed on high phosphate levels, instead of sunlight.
Every now and then after a water change I'll see cyano. Once I called
the water dept up and asked if they had shut down our main well and
switched to the other one again. I was told no. I said well there's
cyanobacteria in our water again. The guy told me.."All of our
coliform" and bacteria tests (I forget the word he used there), "are
all coming back good." I then said, "Well that's great. However, our
town, along with every other municipality doesn't test for
Cyanobacteria." Yea. I would have gotten farther had I beat my head on
a brick wall.
I just up the water changes and cleanings when we have a breakout of
it in our water supply.
I wonder...
You know how an RO unit removes basically everything....would an ion
exchange unit kill it or get rid of it?
Our town is building several of these units at the large wells around
town. The reason was because our lovely water has higher than normal
radium levels. We use an RO unit at home for our water, but the town
will eventually use these ion exchanges.
>From the description, it sounds different than reverse osmosis. It
could be the same thing for all I know. I just wonder if it'll stop
the cyano too. I know it'll soften our liquid rock water somewhat
(good!).
Something to ponder........

[[email protected]]

On Feb 22, 12:08 am, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> Congrats on giving the boot to Cyanobacteria!!
> WooHoo! That's not an easy task.
> Especially when you don't use antibiotics.- Hide quoted text -
>
The BGA has been an ongoing issue for years - not enough to ruin the
tank but a big nuisance. I tried ethromycin a couple of times and it
clears the algae only temporarily.

In my situation (my city water?) adding nitrates plus steady
maintenance seems to do the trick. It's been diminishing since the new
routine started a year ago, and your post reminded me that the BGA has
been pretty much *gone* for a while now :o) .
d.

[atomweaver]

"Don Freeman" > wrote in
:

>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
>>> Such a shame....
>>> Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
>>> Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
>>> that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?
>>
>> Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
>> limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
>> Google Groups!
>> d.
>>
>
> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
> 15+ years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around
> and will be long after Google Groups is dead and gone. Trolls come,
> trolls go, no difference now then before. They either grow up or the
> mental disease that makes them so finally destroys them.
>
> I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going
> on.
>

Agreed. I find it ironic that someone would recommend Google Groups,
since the lack of block and filter tools in its web-interface are what
makes people perceive a problem with Usenet in the first place.

Do yourself a favor if you're posting here through Google Groups...
Go to downlaod.com and get a copy of Xnews (its freeware). Set it up
and start filtering. A filter on articles posted to more than one group
(only trolls ever crosspost anymore), and intelligent use of a user-
based killfile makes troll control (heh) trivially easy.

Regards
DaveZ
Atom Weaver

[Tristin]

Ot get a copy of Forte' free agent. Its got whats needed.






On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:25:05 GMT, atomweaver >
wrote:

<<>>"Don Freeman" > wrote in
:
<<>>
<<>>>
<<>>> > wrote in message
<<>>> oups.com...
<<>>>> On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
<<>>>>> Such a shame....
<<>>>>> Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
<<>>>>> Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
<<>>>>> that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
<<>>>> limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
<<>>>> Google Groups!
<<>>>> d.
<<>>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
<<>>> 15+ years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around
<<>>> and will be long after Google Groups is dead and gone. Trolls come,
<<>>> trolls go, no difference now then before. They either grow up or the
<<>>> mental disease that makes them so finally destroys them.
<<>>>
<<>>> I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going
<<>>> on.
<<>>>
<<>>
<<>>Agreed. I find it ironic that someone would recommend Google Groups,
<<>>since the lack of block and filter tools in its web-interface are what
<<>>makes people perceive a problem with Usenet in the first place.
<<>>
<<>> Do yourself a favor if you're posting here through Google Groups...
<<>>Go to downlaod.com and get a copy of Xnews (its freeware). Set it up
<<>>and start filtering. A filter on articles posted to more than one group
<<>>(only trolls ever crosspost anymore), and intelligent use of a user-
<<>>based killfile makes troll control (heh) trivially easy.
<<>>
<<>>Regards
<<>>DaveZ
<<>>Atom Weaver



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[swarvegorilla]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 21, 2:36?pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Feb 21, 3:18 pm, "Don Freeman" > wrote:
> >> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
> >> 15+
> >> years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around and will
> >> be
> >> long after Google Groups is dead and gone. ..
>
> > Re: ridding the aquarium of blue-green (BGA), I think the big school
> > of red platies has helped, and also encouraging growth of floating
> > plants by hand-removing BGA from them.
>
> > Come to think of it, BGA and nuisance posters have much in
> > common :o) .
>
> I prefer the algae. More intelligent for one thing.

I agree!
I'll take BGA any day.
I've been there personally more than once.
The first time it was introduced with potted plants.
The second and several other times...it came from our city well water.
It came down to tracking down what changed with our water, as nothing
new was added to any of the tanks that were hit.
Simple water changes....that's all.
I found out from the water dept. top guy that the time I was telling
him when I started seeing this bacteria, one of our main wells needed
to be shut down and repaired. They had switched to a shallow, hardly
used well. Well fun for all of us with fish tanks in the town!
The bacteria fed on high phosphate levels, instead of sunlight.
Every now and then after a water change I'll see cyano. Once I called
the water dept up and asked if they had shut down our main well and
switched to the other one again. I was told no. I said well there's
cyanobacteria in our water again. The guy told me.."All of our
coliform" and bacteria tests (I forget the word he used there), "are
all coming back good." I then said, "Well that's great. However, our
town, along with every other municipality doesn't test for
Cyanobacteria." Yea. I would have gotten farther had I beat my head on
a brick wall.
I just up the water changes and cleanings when we have a breakout of
it in our water supply.
I wonder...
You know how an RO unit removes basically everything....would an ion
exchange unit kill it or get rid of it?
Our town is building several of these units at the large wells around
town. The reason was because our lovely water has higher than normal
radium levels. We use an RO unit at home for our water, but the town
will eventually use these ion exchanges.
>From the description, it sounds different than reverse osmosis. It
could be the same thing for all I know. I just wonder if it'll stop
the cyano too. I know it'll soften our liquid rock water somewhat
(good!).
Something to ponder........




>>>
could always add some chlorine to the water to kill the spoors
then de-chlorinate again
cheap enuf to do
just need some buckets and a trip to the pool shop

[swarvegorilla]

"atomweaver" > wrote in message
...
> "Don Freeman" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> On Feb 21, 1:35 pm, "Tynk" > wrote:
>>>> Such a shame....
>>>> Folks can't even talk about fish anymore here.
>>>> Anybody buy any new fish, have a spawn, a crash, anything going on
>>>> that has to do with keeping tropical, freshwater fish?
>>>
>>> Seriously folks, it seems Usenet has had its day because there is
>>> limited possibility of managing nuisance posters. Come on over to
>>> Google Groups!
>>> d.
>>>
>>
>> The death of USENET has been predicted since before I started using it
>> 15+ years ago, and pretty frequently thereafter. It's still around
>> and will be long after Google Groups is dead and gone. Trolls come,
>> trolls go, no difference now then before. They either grow up or the
>> mental disease that makes them so finally destroys them.
>>
>> I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going
>> on.
>>
>
> Agreed. I find it ironic that someone would recommend Google Groups,
> since the lack of block and filter tools in its web-interface are what
> makes people perceive a problem with Usenet in the first place.
>
> Do yourself a favor if you're posting here through Google Groups...
> Go to downlaod.com and get a copy of Xnews (its freeware). Set it up
> and start filtering. A filter on articles posted to more than one group
> (only trolls ever crosspost anymore), and intelligent use of a user-
> based killfile makes troll control (heh) trivially easy.
>
> Regards
> DaveZ
> Atom Weaver


For all it's problems.
Usenet is still sweet.
May be ugly
But dam what a wild read....
Seriously it's like talking to a librarian
whos wasted on every drug
and suffering every mental ailment known to mankind
but they are like.... really smart as well.
Combined human experience/intelligence
is always a scary thing.
Always some loud mouthed kid screamin'
for more attention.
:)

[Tynk]

On Mar 2, 11:23?pm, "swarvegorilla" >
wrote:

>
> could always add some chlorine to the water to kill the spoors
> then de-chlorinate again
> cheap enuf to do
> just need some buckets and a trip to the pool shop- >
> - Show quoted text -

It wouldn't matter. The spores are in every tank I have. In order to
get rid of it entirely, I would have to bleach every tank, every piece
of equipment, the gravel in every tank a litle bit at a time because
the spores are so tiny...even bleach could miss a couple if trying to
do all the gravel at once, and then bleach all new water, add tons of
dechlorinater to that(??). Nope. That would be nuts.
Instead I keep my tanks clean and do water changes. TONS easier.

[swarvegorilla]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Mar 2, 11:23?pm, "swarvegorilla" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> could always add some chlorine to the water to kill the spoors
>> then de-chlorinate again
>> cheap enuf to do
>> just need some buckets and a trip to the pool shop- >
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> It wouldn't matter. The spores are in every tank I have. In order to
> get rid of it entirely, I would have to bleach every tank, every piece
> of equipment, the gravel in every tank a litle bit at a time because
> the spores are so tiny...even bleach could miss a couple if trying to
> do all the gravel at once, and then bleach all new water, add tons of
> dechlorinater to that(??). Nope. That would be nuts.
> Instead I keep my tanks clean and do water changes. TONS easier.
>
>

I never had a real problem with before
had some on a few sword leaves once
pulled them out and gave em a chlorine bath (80% water) for a few secs
but yea too easy
you yanks could go catch some florida flag fish
seem to work ok as well

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I am trying to address this situation. I have made a fish keeping
information site which will trap the sort of useful information that
passes through usenet. The collective knowledge of hundreds of
experienced aquarists. I also want to build in rich tools to
facilitate a rich community. We have basic tools and information
already. Take a look. Let us know what tools you would like and we may
be able to develop them. The site is run by the group. Seriously. The
group makes the decisions.

The Keeping Fish Community

www.Keepingfish.com





> > I have no trouble blocking messages, even with the nym-shifting going on.
>
> It seems the pond people are having a time getting a moderated group
> going due to lack of useable tools. In contrast, on Google Groups or
> the like it's no problem at all to (lightly) manage a discussion
> group.
>
> Re: ridding the aquarium of blue-green (BGA), I think the big school
> of red platies has helped, and also encouraging growth of floating
> plants by hand-removing BGA from them.
>
> Come to think of it, BGA and nuisance posters have much in
> common :o) .
> d.