Coralife Needle Wheel Skimmer Question

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I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
"silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.








Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
-Robert E. Lee


We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
our falling into greater disasters.
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[Tristin]

Don't everyone answer up all togethe rnow on this simple to answer
question.............or is everyone still licking their wounds! Yet
another reason to patronize a decent web based forum so you can get an
answer to a question. That is unless perhaps as some think you have
not been a memeber here long enough to warrant any attention since
this seems to be such a closed and narrow mined bunch!

Go to Creativereefing.com......they wil be more than happy to answer
your question......
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:01:46 GMT, Duce )
wrote:

<<>>I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
<<>>micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
<<>>"silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
<<>>pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
<<>>nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
<<>>top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
<<>>appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
<<>>rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
<<>> -Robert E. Lee
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
<<>>wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
<<>>our falling into greater disasters.
<<>> -Robert E. Lee



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[Pat]

Here's my experience, take it for what you will. I've been battling
with this particular skimmer for over a year now, I'm near replacing it.
But over the last week it's produced zero bubbles, so here's what I
did to solve it. First I don't think that your silencer is the issue, I
think I noticed mine is uni-directional, so that it may seem blocked,
but try sucking instead of blowing. But I digress, I find that moving
the pump closer to the surface of the water allows it to take on bubbles
either with or without the silencer, but it is good and loud without.
I don't know that I want to officially recommend snipping the tubing
on your pump(the one that feeds to the skimmer) but it worked for me. I
assume it's easily replacable at any local home improvement store if it
gets messed up.

Other issues I find with the CSS, bubble diffuser is absolutely
worthless. Occasionally it would get tempermental and fill itself up
with no real warning, and leak all over my floor as it has no reason not
to pour out the top. I've been trying to fix the problems as they come,
but it's annoying, keeping the water level where it's supposed to be is
not super fun. And the instructions and website mention none of this.

wrote:
> I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
> micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
> "silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
> pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
> nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
> top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
> appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
> rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
> -Robert E. Lee
>
>
> We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
> wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
> our falling into greater disasters.
> -Robert E. Lee
>
> --
> --------------------------------- --- -- -
> Posted with NewsLeecher v3.7 Final
> Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet
> ------------------- ----- ---- -- -
>

[Pat]

Also worth mention is I have the smaller one.

Pat wrote:
> Here's my experience, take it for what you will. I've been battling
> with this particular skimmer for over a year now, I'm near replacing it.
> But over the last week it's produced zero bubbles, so here's what I did
> to solve it. First I don't think that your silencer is the issue, I
> think I noticed mine is uni-directional, so that it may seem blocked,
> but try sucking instead of blowing. But I digress, I find that moving
> the pump closer to the surface of the water allows it to take on bubbles
> either with or without the silencer, but it is good and loud without.
> I don't know that I want to officially recommend snipping the tubing on
> your pump(the one that feeds to the skimmer) but it worked for me. I
> assume it's easily replacable at any local home improvement store if it
> gets messed up.
>
> Other issues I find with the CSS, bubble diffuser is absolutely
> worthless. Occasionally it would get tempermental and fill itself up
> with no real warning, and leak all over my floor as it has no reason not
> to pour out the top. I've been trying to fix the problems as they come,
> but it's annoying, keeping the water level where it's supposed to be is
> not super fun. And the instructions and website mention none of this.
>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no micro
>> bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
>> "silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
>> pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either nipple
>> on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the top of
>> it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it appears to run
>> normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level rises too
>> high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
>> -Robert E. Lee
>>
>>
>> We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
>> wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
>> our falling into greater disasters. -Robert E. Lee
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------- --- -- -
>> Posted with NewsLeecher v3.7 Final
>> Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet
>> ------------------- ----- ---- -- -
>>

[Tristin]

hmmmmmmmm
Totally amazing to me. I happen to have 6 CSS skimmers adn they have
yet to screw up or not do what they are diesigned to do. Sounds more
like the skimmer is smarter than the consumer....and the regulars here
are clueless.....


On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:11:43 -0600, Pat > wrote:

<<>>Here's my experience, take it for what you will. I've been battling
<<>>with this particular skimmer for over a year now, I'm near replacing it.
<<>> But over the last week it's produced zero bubbles, so here's what I
<<>>did to solve it. First I don't think that your silencer is the issue, I
<<>>think I noticed mine is uni-directional, so that it may seem blocked,
<<>>but try sucking instead of blowing. But I digress, I find that moving
<<>>the pump closer to the surface of the water allows it to take on bubbles
<<>> either with or without the silencer, but it is good and loud without.
<<>> I don't know that I want to officially recommend snipping the tubing
<<>>on your pump(the one that feeds to the skimmer) but it worked for me. I
<<>>assume it's easily replacable at any local home improvement store if it
<<>>gets messed up.
<<>>
<<>>Other issues I find with the CSS, bubble diffuser is absolutely
<<>>worthless. Occasionally it would get tempermental and fill itself up
<<>>with no real warning, and leak all over my floor as it has no reason not
<<>>to pour out the top. I've been trying to fix the problems as they come,
<<>>but it's annoying, keeping the water level where it's supposed to be is
<<>>not super fun. And the instructions and website mention none of this.
<<>>
wrote:
<<>>> I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
<<>>> micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
<<>>> "silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
<<>>> pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
<<>>> nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
<<>>> top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
<<>>> appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
<<>>> rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
<<>>> -Robert E. Lee
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
<<>>> wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
<<>>> our falling into greater disasters.
<<>>> -Robert E. Lee
<<>>>
<<>>> --
<<>>> --------------------------------- --- -- -
<<>>> Posted with NewsLeecher v3.7 Final
<<>>> Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet
<<>>> ------------------- ----- ---- -- -
<<>>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pat]

Then you answer him

Tristin wrote:
> hmmmmmmmm
> Totally amazing to me. I happen to have 6 CSS skimmers adn they have
> yet to screw up or not do what they are diesigned to do. Sounds more
> like the skimmer is smarter than the consumer....and the regulars here
> are clueless.....
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:11:43 -0600, Pat > wrote:
>
> <<>>Here's my experience, take it for what you will. I've been battling
> <<>>with this particular skimmer for over a year now, I'm near replacing it.
> <<>> But over the last week it's produced zero bubbles, so here's what I
> <<>>did to solve it. First I don't think that your silencer is the issue, I
> <<>>think I noticed mine is uni-directional, so that it may seem blocked,
> <<>>but try sucking instead of blowing. But I digress, I find that moving
> <<>>the pump closer to the surface of the water allows it to take on bubbles
> <<>> either with or without the silencer, but it is good and loud without.
> <<>> I don't know that I want to officially recommend snipping the tubing
> <<>>on your pump(the one that feeds to the skimmer) but it worked for me. I
> <<>>assume it's easily replacable at any local home improvement store if it
> <<>>gets messed up.
> <<>>
> <<>>Other issues I find with the CSS, bubble diffuser is absolutely
> <<>>worthless. Occasionally it would get tempermental and fill itself up
> <<>>with no real warning, and leak all over my floor as it has no reason not
> <<>>to pour out the top. I've been trying to fix the problems as they come,
> <<>>but it's annoying, keeping the water level where it's supposed to be is
> <<>>not super fun. And the instructions and website mention none of this.
> <<>>
> wrote:
> <<>>> I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
> <<>>> micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
> <<>>> "silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
> <<>>> pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
> <<>>> nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
> <<>>> top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
> <<>>> appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
> <<>>> rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
> <<>>> -Robert E. Lee
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
> <<>>> wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
> <<>>> our falling into greater disasters.
> <<>>> -Robert E. Lee
> <<>>>
> <<>>> --
> <<>>> --------------------------------- --- -- -
> <<>>> Posted with NewsLeecher v3.7 Final
> <<>>> Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet
> <<>>> ------------------- ----- ---- -- -
> <<>>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristin]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:16:40 -0600, Pat > wrote:

<<>>Then you answer him
<<>>
I have already....sign up at creativereefing.com and stop fooling with
this mess in this forum that don't have a clue for the most
part....Answers is one thing, guesses are another and its guesses
that this group excells at.....This group has gone to hell in a
handbasket since Rick Seyler left!


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[[email protected]]

I did join the forum as advised,and promptly posted a question
there.As for the skimmer,there seems to be an issue with the
silencer,it is a little too silent in that it doesnt work.It seems
to be clogged for some reason.I suspect that when they glued the two
outer pieces of the silencer together some glue may have clogged
it.At any rate I solved the problem by simply replacing the silencer
with an airstone,similar to the one I use in the planted tank,it
works like a charm.I must say that I was suprised at how big that
skimmer is,the tank is too new as yet to see how it skims,more on
that later.








Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
-Robert E. Lee


We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
our falling into greater disasters.
-Robert E. Lee

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[Tristin]

Hey Duce....It looks like there is a reply to your question on
Creative reefing in regards to your skimmer as well as your
lighting...Good bunch of folks there!




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Ocean Breeze]

Roy "Tristin" Hauer stalker of old ladies > wrote
nothing of value to anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead clam:
wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:16:40 -0600, Pat > wrote:
>
> <<>>Then you answer him
> <<>>

Sod off troll.......... go haunt a house......

> I have already....sign up at creativereefing.com and stop fooling with
> this mess in this forum that don't have a clue for the most
> part....Answers is one thing, guesses are another and its guesses
> that this group excells at.....This group has gone to hell in a
> handbasket since Rick Seyler left!
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Ocean Breeze]

"Tristin" > wrote nothing of value to anyone and
was
promptly slapped down by a dead feather duster:
wrote in message ...
> Hey Duce....It looks like there is a reply to your question on
> Creative reefing in regards to your skimmer as well as your
> lighting...Good bunch of folks there!

Sod off troll......... go give someone more bad advice about killing
protected birds again.

>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Ocean Breeze]

Roy "Tristin" Hauer suffering low self-esteem, net-stalker of old ladies
> wrote nothing of value or interest to anyone
and was promptly slapped down by a dead sponge in message
...
> hmmmmmmmm
> Totally amazing to me. I happen to have 6 CSS skimmers adn they have
> yet to screw up or not do what they are diesigned to do. Sounds more
> like the skimmer is smarter than the consumer....and the regulars here
> are clueless.....

Never ending insults in your hopeless quest to look superior or even equal
to others. Get back into treatment. No one here can help you. We're not
qualified.

>
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:11:43 -0600, Pat > wrote:
>
> <<>>Here's my experience, take it for what you will. I've been battling
> <<>>with this particular skimmer for over a year now, I'm near replacing
> it.
> <<>> But over the last week it's produced zero bubbles, so here's what I
> <<>>did to solve it. First I don't think that your silencer is the issue,
> I
> <<>>think I noticed mine is uni-directional, so that it may seem blocked,
> <<>>but try sucking instead of blowing. But I digress, I find that moving
> <<>>the pump closer to the surface of the water allows it to take on
> bubbles
> <<>> either with or without the silencer, but it is good and loud
> without.
> <<>> I don't know that I want to officially recommend snipping the tubing
> <<>>on your pump(the one that feeds to the skimmer) but it worked for me.
> I
> <<>>assume it's easily replacable at any local home improvement store if
> it
> <<>>gets messed up.
> <<>>
> <<>>Other issues I find with the CSS, bubble diffuser is absolutely
> <<>>worthless. Occasionally it would get tempermental and fill itself up
> <<>>with no real warning, and leak all over my floor as it has no reason
> not
> <<>>to pour out the top. I've been trying to fix the problems as they
> come,
> <<>>but it's annoying, keeping the water level where it's supposed to be
> is
> <<>>not super fun. And the instructions and website mention none of this.
> <<>>
> wrote:
> <<>>> I have a Coralife Skimmer,it's the 220 gallon model.There are no
> <<>>> micro bubbles being produced,and there is no skimmate.I checked the
> <<>>> "silencer" that has a tube running down to the venturi at the
> <<>>> pump.There is no air flow through this silencer,through either
> <<>>> nipple on it.It's a round piece of plastic,with two "nipples" on the
> <<>>> top of it.When I disconnect the tubing,and let it suck air it
> <<>>> appears to run normally,but the skimmate is WAY to wet,and the level
> <<>>> rises too high.Any help would be appreciated,the website is useless.
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
> <<>>> -Robert E. Lee
> <<>>>
> <<>>>
> <<>>> We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
> <<>>> wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
> <<>>> our falling into greater disasters.
> <<>>> -Robert E. Lee
> <<>>>
> <<>>> --
> <<>>> --------------------------------- --- -- -
> <<>>> Posted with NewsLeecher v3.7 Final
> <<>>> Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet
> <<>>> ------------------- ----- ---- -- -
> <<>>>
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[[email protected]]

Quote: "Hey Duce....It looks like there is a reply to your question
on
Creative reefing in regards to your skimmer as well as your
lighting...Good bunch of folks there!"


No offense,and I dont want to become part of the ****ing contest
going on here,but the replies I have gotten on that forum are not
good.Hell,one of the guys didnt even read my post before telling me
I didnt have enough light for my tank,if he had he would have been
able to figure it out.Not to mention the fact that it took 2 days to
get a reply,and the last post besides mine is 8 days old...not
exactly Grand Central Station over there huh? But I do thank you for
the advice.








Abandon your animosities, and make your sons Americans.
-Robert E. Lee


We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us
wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent
our falling into greater disasters.
-Robert E. Lee

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[Tynk]

On Feb 27, 1:46?pm, "Ocean Breeze" > wrote:

:Nonsense snipped:

Why are you posting this nonsense?
You are just cluttering up these groups.
If you can't say anything useful in regard to fish, or the hobby, why
bother?

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Feb 27, 1:46?pm, "Ocean Breeze" > wrote:
>
> :Nonsense snipped:
>
> Why are you posting this nonsense?
> You are just cluttering up these groups.
> If you can't say anything useful in regard to fish, or the hobby, why
> bother?
=================
I think the same things goes for you, no? Why post this to the pond group?
Let's *ALL* stay on topic and the groups will be a much nicer place.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Tristin]

Then that means CArol Gulley would have to give up the USENET...
She is perhaps the biggest abuser of usenet and does create the most
turmoil with cross posts and off topic crap.thenagain look at who
wrere talking about.Carol Gulley a person who lacks morales and
scruples and any form of decency......pure unadulterated trash!

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:30:01 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
> wrote:

<<>>
<<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
<<>>> On Feb 27, 1:46?pm, "Ocean Breeze" > wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>> :Nonsense snipped:
<<>>>
<<>>> Why are you posting this nonsense?
<<>>> You are just cluttering up these groups.
<<>>> If you can't say anything useful in regard to fish, or the hobby, why
<<>>> bother?
<<>>=================
<<>>I think the same things goes for you, no? Why post this to the pond group?
<<>>Let's *ALL* stay on topic and the groups will be a much nicer place.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Sail Fin *~]

OFF -TOPIC Roy Hauer. Please take you insanity to rec.hate.and.slander.

Roy "Tristin" Hauer semi-literate stalker of disabled veterans and old women
> wrote in message
...
> Then that means CArol Gulley would have to give up the USENET...
> She is perhaps the biggest abuser of usenet and does create the most
> turmoil with cross posts and off topic crap.thenagain look at who
> wrere talking about.Carol Gulley a person who lacks morales and
> scruples and any form of decency......pure unadulterated trash!
>
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:30:01 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
> > wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> <<>>> On Feb 27, 1:46?pm, "Ocean Breeze" > wrote:
> <<>>>
> <<>>> :Nonsense snipped:
> <<>>>
> <<>>> Why are you posting this nonsense?
> <<>>> You are just cluttering up these groups.
> <<>>> If you can't say anything useful in regard to fish, or the hobby,
> why
> <<>>> bother?
> <<>>=================
> <<>>I think the same things goes for you, no? Why post this to the pond
> group?
> <<>>Let's *ALL* stay on topic and the groups will be a much nicer place.
>
>
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Feb 28, 12:30�pm, "Reel McKoi"
> wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...> On Feb 27, 1:46?pm, "Ocean Breeze" > wrote:
>
> > :Nonsense snipped:
>
> > Why are you posting this nonsense?
> > You are just cluttering up these groups.
> > If you can't say anything useful in regard to fish, or the hobby, why
> > bother?
>
> =================
> I think the same things goes for you, no? *Why post this to the pond group?
> Let's *ALL* stay on topic and the groups will be a much nicer place.
> --
> RM....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> rec.ponder since late 1996.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ *}<((((*> *~~~ * }<{{{{(ö> * ~~~ *}<(((((o>

I post plenty about fish and the hobby. However, there was NO reason
for "Sybil" to post about a Coralife Skimmer subject, and post nothing
having to do with one anyway, on the freshwater Misc. group.
*I* wasn't the person responsible for cross posting it. "Ocean
Breeze" (along with their 20 other screen names -so far) is
responsible about that. You did too by the way, so you really can't
say much about that to me.
You also question me about posting, yet you did the same thing. It's
quite hillarious that *you* are telling anyone to keep on topic.
Take your own adivce and yes, the groups would be a much nicer place.
Now don't bother replying about this. Let's not clutter up the groups
with more nonsense.
If you feel the need to reply, do so via email.

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 28, 12:30�pm, "Reel McKoi"
> I think the same things goes for you, no? Why post this to the pond group?
> Let's *ALL* stay on topic and the groups will be a much nicer place.
> --
> RM....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> rec.ponder since late 1996.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(> ~~~ }<(((((o>

> I post plenty about fish and the hobby.

So did I before the trolls took over the group.

> However, there was NO reason
for "Sybil" to post about a Coralife Skimmer subject, and post nothing
having to do with one anyway, on the freshwater Misc. group.

I didn't see any Sybil. I did see Tristan's messages using my NYM,
impersonating me. I'm sure you saw them as well.

> *I* wasn't the person responsible for cross posting it.

Then how did it came from your PC to those groups when you replied? Why
didn't you remove the other groups instead of perpetuating the problem?
Just REMOVE the cross-posted messages or use your killfile as I was advised
to do.

<snip>
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o>