damit!!

[Grimley_Feindish]

Just vacuming my tank with an air powered thing I bought and the elastic in
the bag snapped causing it to fall in my tank and dispense the crap I'd just
cleared out all across the bottom. Good job fish don't understand english
expletives :)

--
Alan

[Limnophile]

I'll bet it looked like the time I had my python hose refilling a tank in
the basement , went upstairs to answer the phone, and forgot about it for 2
hours. Am I right ?

Limnophile

"Grimley_Feindish" > wrote in message
...
> Just vacuming my tank with an air powered thing I bought and the elastic
in
> the bag snapped causing it to fall in my tank and dispense the crap I'd
just
> cleared out all across the bottom. Good job fish don't understand english
> expletives :)
>
> --
> Alan

[Dick]

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:01:50 +0000 (UTC), "Grimley_Feindish"
> wrote:

>Just vacuming my tank with an air powered thing I bought and the elastic in
>the bag snapped causing it to fall in my tank and dispense the crap I'd just
>cleared out all across the bottom. Good job fish don't understand english
>expletives :)

I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum. I
have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel. I
change 20% of my water weekly and never move the gravel around nor is
anything setting on the surface of the gravel. Besides, moving aroung
the plants might uproot the darlings.

I wonder if it is the feeding? I use only flake food and sparingly.
My 75 gallon tank has been running for 18 months. The water is clear,
the plants healthy and multiplying and the fish are colorful and
active.

Could things be better? I don't know and will never know. I am quite
content with my beautiful tanks and grateful for the low maintenance.

BTW I did pull a filter cartridge with the power filter running. It
too can cause a distressfull mess. I now turn the power off to pull
the cartridges! <g>

[Dinky]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...

|
| I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum.
I
| have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel.
I


"Us vacuumers"? LOL! You mean, "Almost every aquarist on the planet"?
Any area not inhabited by a healthy plant should be vacuumed, BELOW
the surface, down to the glass pane at the bottom of the tank. You
won't see detrius on the top, that's not where it is. If you don't
belive me, stir up the gravel in a non-planted area, deeply. This
stuff is rotting, contributing to nitrate production, and just
waiting for much more serious problems.


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[Grimley_Feindish]

"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> |
> | I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum.
> I
> | have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel.
> I
>
>
> "Us vacuumers"? LOL! You mean, "Almost every aquarist on the planet"?
> Any area not inhabited by a healthy plant should be vacuumed, BELOW
> the surface, down to the glass pane at the bottom of the tank. You
> won't see detrius on the top, that's not where it is. If you don't
> belive me, stir up the gravel in a non-planted area, deeply. This
> stuff is rotting, contributing to nitrate production, and just
> waiting for much more serious problems.
>
>
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Definately. I thought I'd got away with vacuming for a couple of months
after setting the tank up as it's quite heavily planted. It wasn't until I
added a plant to an open area that I realised how much stuff was in the
gravel. Have been vacuuming weekly ever since :)

The fish are all OK this morning thankfully. I put a layer of filter wool in
my canister and this caught most of the nasty stuff so wasn't too much of a
hassle to sort things out after. Will be using a bag tie as well rather than
relying on the elastic from now on though.


--
Alan

[Dick]

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:03:22 +0000 (UTC), "Grimley_Feindish"
> wrote:

>
>
>
>"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> "Dick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> |
>> | I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum.
>> I
>> | have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel.
>> I
>>
>>
>> "Us vacuumers"? LOL! You mean, "Almost every aquarist on the planet"?
>> Any area not inhabited by a healthy plant should be vacuumed, BELOW
>> the surface, down to the glass pane at the bottom of the tank. You
>> won't see detrius on the top, that's not where it is. If you don't
>> belive me, stir up the gravel in a non-planted area, deeply. This
>> stuff is rotting, contributing to nitrate production, and just
>> waiting for much more serious problems.
>>
>>
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>
>
>Definately. I thought I'd got away with vacuming for a couple of months
>after setting the tank up as it's quite heavily planted. It wasn't until I
>added a plant to an open area that I realised how much stuff was in the
>gravel. Have been vacuuming weekly ever since :)
>
>The fish are all OK this morning thankfully. I put a layer of filter wool in
>my canister and this caught most of the nasty stuff so wasn't too much of a
>hassle to sort things out after. Will be using a bag tie as well rather than
>relying on the elastic from now on though.

I rarely stir the gravel. If I pull out excess plants or add a plant
then I get the accumulated stuff in the water. So what? My current
fish count in 5 tanks is 130 and 15 species. My oldest tank has been
set up for 18 months. The fish are colorful and active, the plants
healthy and multiplying. I am religious about the 20% water changes
and occaisionally clean or change filter cartridges.

So not "all" fish keepers stir the muck and filter. I am one that
doesn't! <g>

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: damit!!
>From: Dick
>Date: 6/3/2004 4:58 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:03:22 +0000 (UTC), "Grimley_Feindish"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dick" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> |
>>> | I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum.
>>> I
>>> | have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel.
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>> "Us vacuumers"? LOL! You mean, "Almost every aquarist on the planet"?
>>> Any area not inhabited by a healthy plant should be vacuumed, BELOW
>>> the surface, down to the glass pane at the bottom of the tank. You
>>> won't see detrius on the top, that's not where it is. If you don't
>>> belive me, stir up the gravel in a non-planted area, deeply. This
>>> stuff is rotting, contributing to nitrate production, and just
>>> waiting for much more serious problems.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>Definately. I thought I'd got away with vacuming for a couple of months
>>after setting the tank up as it's quite heavily planted. It wasn't until I
>>added a plant to an open area that I realised how much stuff was in the
>>gravel. Have been vacuuming weekly ever since :)
>>
>>The fish are all OK this morning thankfully. I put a layer of filter wool in
>>my canister and this caught most of the nasty stuff so wasn't too much of a
>>hassle to sort things out after. Will be using a bag tie as well rather than
>>relying on the elastic from now on though.
>
>I rarely stir the gravel. If I pull out excess plants or add a plant
>then I get the accumulated stuff in the water. So what? My current
>fish count in 5 tanks is 130 and 15 species. My oldest tank has been
>set up for 18 months. The fish are colorful and active, the plants
>healthy and multiplying. I am religious about the 20% water changes
>and occaisionally clean or change filter cartridges.
>
>So not "all" fish keepers stir the muck and filter. I am one that
>doesn't! <g>

You say your oldest tank is only 18 months. You're still considered a "newbie".
Your "so what" attitude may change very soon if you don't take the proper care
of your tanks.

[Dick]

On 03 Jun 2004 15:17:10 GMT, (TYNK 7) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: damit!!
>>From: Dick
>>Date: 6/3/2004 4:58 AM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:03:22 +0000 (UTC), "Grimley_Feindish"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dick" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | I just don't understand where you vacuumers find things to vacuum.
>>>> I
>>>> | have 5 tanks and there is nothing visible on the top of the gravel.
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Us vacuumers"? LOL! You mean, "Almost every aquarist on the planet"?
>>>> Any area not inhabited by a healthy plant should be vacuumed, BELOW
>>>> the surface, down to the glass pane at the bottom of the tank. You
>>>> won't see detrius on the top, that's not where it is. If you don't
>>>> belive me, stir up the gravel in a non-planted area, deeply. This
>>>> stuff is rotting, contributing to nitrate production, and just
>>>> waiting for much more serious problems.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>Definately. I thought I'd got away with vacuming for a couple of months
>>>after setting the tank up as it's quite heavily planted. It wasn't until I
>>>added a plant to an open area that I realised how much stuff was in the
>>>gravel. Have been vacuuming weekly ever since :)
>>>
>>>The fish are all OK this morning thankfully. I put a layer of filter wool in
>>>my canister and this caught most of the nasty stuff so wasn't too much of a
>>>hassle to sort things out after. Will be using a bag tie as well rather than
>>>relying on the elastic from now on though.
>>
>>I rarely stir the gravel. If I pull out excess plants or add a plant
>>then I get the accumulated stuff in the water. So what? My current
>>fish count in 5 tanks is 130 and 15 species. My oldest tank has been
>>set up for 18 months. The fish are colorful and active, the plants
>>healthy and multiplying. I am religious about the 20% water changes
>>and occaisionally clean or change filter cartridges.
>>
>>So not "all" fish keepers stir the muck and filter. I am one that
>>doesn't! <g>
>
>You say your oldest tank is only 18 months. You're still considered a "newbie".
>Your "so what" attitude may change very soon if you don't take the proper care
>of your tanks.


I promise I will not keep such a tragedy secret, but meanwhile I like
what I have. I see no evidence of failing tanks. I don't envy those
that do more than needed to have attractive plants and active and
colorful fish. I accept I am a newbie, but so are most people coming
to these newsgroups. I wonder how long the readers of this newsgroup
have had tanks up and running. I know the regulars have had tanks
running for many years. Maybe a few will indicate how long their
tanks have been up and if they do simple maintenance or do the
chemistry and bottom vacuuming.

BTW, my 10 gallon quarantine tank has no gravel and I still see
nothing to vacuum. It has been running about 9 months. It was the
last tank I set up. I keep about 10 fish in it and several are there
because they have a problem. One large platty has a growth near her
eye and I thought would be dead in weeks. She is going fine and been
in the Q tank for most of the 9 months. About 6 months ago I moved a
molly for observation. The next morning there was a cloud of close to
50 fry. Most survived and still live in my other tanks.

Perhaps you are the voice of gloom and doom. Is that possible?

[Ali Day]

> Maybe a few will indicate how long their
> tanks have been up and if they do simple maintenance or do the
> chemistry and bottom vacuuming.

As most people know since I've recently started reading/writing on this
group.

3 yrs (this time) 170g, 20% water changes every 1 or 2 weeks with vacuum,
electronic PH control, did some measurements recently for new tank, but
before that would be every 6 months or so.

As Tynk has said I most probably fall into the luck and good LFS advice for
having a good tank rather than from any particular management skills.

Cheers

A

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: damit!!
>From: "Ali Day"
>Date: 6/4/2004 8:36 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>> Maybe a few will indicate how long their
>> tanks have been up and if they do simple maintenance or do the
>> chemistry and bottom vacuuming.
>
>As most people know since I've recently started reading/writing on this
>group.
>
>3 yrs (this time) 170g, 20% water changes every 1 or 2 weeks with vacuum,
>electronic PH control, did some measurements recently for new tank, but
>before that would be every 6 months or so.
>
>As Tynk has said I most probably fall into the luck and good LFS advice for
>having a good tank rather than from any particular management skills.
>
>Cheers
>

You've got a good tank going because you're doing the right things. = )
Your doing partialwater changes every 1-2 weeks (I recommend once a week) and
you're vacumming.
Having a good LFS, which gives out good, correct advice seems to be rare these
days. Consider yourself quite lucky.
(and those who go to NetMax's shop!) = )

[Dinky]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
| BTW, my 10 gallon quarantine tank has no gravel and I still see
| nothing to vacuum.

That's because there is no substrate to accumulate the detrius!


|
| Perhaps you are the voice of gloom and doom. Is that possible?

Possible? He IS the voice of doom and gloom, for good reason. Failing
to properly care for a tank just because nothing bad has happened yet
is begging for disaster. That's precisely akin to never changing the
oil in your car because the oil that's in it hasn't failed and caused
the engine to blow up yet. We're not insulting you, we're trying to
save you from what is certain to be problems in the future, probably
the near future.


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[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: damit!!
>From: "Dinky"
>Date: 6/4/2004 10:19 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>| BTW, my 10 gallon quarantine tank has no gravel and I still see
>| nothing to vacuum.
>
>That's because there is no substrate to accumulate the detrius!
>
>
>|
>| Perhaps you are the voice of gloom and doom. Is that possible?
>
>Possible? He IS the voice of doom and gloom, for good reason. Failing
>to properly care for a tank just because nothing bad has happened yet
>is begging for disaster. That's precisely akin to never changing the
>oil in your car because the oil that's in it hasn't failed and caused
>the engine to blow up yet. We're not insulting you, we're trying to
>save you from what is certain to be problems in the future, probably
>the near future.
>
>

Dinky....
I'm a she, not a he. = )~

[NetMax]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: damit!!
> >From: "Ali Day"
> >Date: 6/4/2004 8:36 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >> Maybe a few will indicate how long their
> >> tanks have been up and if they do simple maintenance or do the
> >> chemistry and bottom vacuuming.
> >
> >As most people know since I've recently started reading/writing on
this
> >group.
> >
> >3 yrs (this time) 170g, 20% water changes every 1 or 2 weeks with
vacuum,
> >electronic PH control, did some measurements recently for new tank,
but
> >before that would be every 6 months or so.
> >
> >As Tynk has said I most probably fall into the luck and good LFS
advice for
> >having a good tank rather than from any particular management skills.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
>
> You've got a good tank going because you're doing the right things. = )
> Your doing partialwater changes every 1-2 weeks (I recommend once a
week) and
> you're vacumming.
> Having a good LFS, which gives out good, correct advice seems to be
rare these
> days. Consider yourself quite lucky.
> (and those who go to NetMax's shop!) = )
>

Thanks TYNK 7! Right now I have 2 senior employees, so everyday, one of
the 3 of us is on. Having an experienced person on once a day has really
helped with the continuity for disease control & identification, deciding
where fish get moved to etc etc. When I totalled up our experience, it
was an impressive number, so I thought about making a little sign over
our medications display suggesting that customers ask for us (by name),
as we have over 120 years of experience. However my co-workers were
*very* un-enthused about the idea, so I didn't do it (must be an age
thing ;~).
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Lady Samsara]

(TYNK 7) wrote in message >...
> >Subject: Re: damit!!
> >From: "Dinky"
> >Date: 6/4/2004 10:19 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >| BTW, my 10 gallon quarantine tank has no gravel and I still see
> >| nothing to vacuum.
> >
> >That's because there is no substrate to accumulate the detrius!
> >
> >
> >|
> >| Perhaps you are the voice of gloom and doom. Is that possible?
> >
> >Possible? He IS the voice of doom and gloom, for good reason. Failing
> >to properly care for a tank just because nothing bad has happened yet
> >is begging for disaster. That's precisely akin to never changing the
> >oil in your car because the oil that's in it hasn't failed and caused
> >the engine to blow up yet. We're not insulting you, we're trying to
> >save you from what is certain to be problems in the future, probably
> >the near future.
> >
> >
>
> Dinky....
> I'm a she, not a he. = )~

LMAO! I still remember the "Parrot going after your red toenails"
story and everyone saying...Wait a moment...He's a She??? :)

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: damit!!
>From: (Lady Samsara)
>Date: 6/12/2004 10:56 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
(TYNK 7) wrote in message
>...
>> >Subject: Re: damit!!
>> >From: "Dinky"
>> >Date: 6/4/2004 10:19 AM Central Daylight Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >| BTW, my 10 gallon quarantine tank has no gravel and I still see
>> >| nothing to vacuum.
>> >
>> >That's because there is no substrate to accumulate the detrius!
>> >
>> >
>> >|
>> >| Perhaps you are the voice of gloom and doom. Is that possible?
>> >
>> >Possible? He IS the voice of doom and gloom, for good reason. Failing
>> >to properly care for a tank just because nothing bad has happened yet
>> >is begging for disaster. That's precisely akin to never changing the
>> >oil in your car because the oil that's in it hasn't failed and caused
>> >the engine to blow up yet. We're not insulting you, we're trying to
>> >save you from what is certain to be problems in the future, probably
>> >the near future.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Dinky....
>> I'm a she, not a he. = )~
>
>LMAO! I still remember the "Parrot going after your red toenails"
>story and everyone saying...Wait a moment...He's a She??? :)

I know, LOL!
I just don't get why 99% of people think "tynk" would be for a guy's screen
name.