Another good Betta article in TFH magazine

[Tynk]

There's another good article in Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine about
Bettas and how badly treated they are. People keeping them in tiny,
unheated bowls. This is the second piece in a matter of months doing
so too.
Maybe folks will finally get a clue, stop mistreating them, and
actually care for them properly.
It'll take time to educate all the folks out there who don't. They all
seem to think that just because it survives in a small, cold bowl it's
perfectly fine. Well, it isn't. It's a fact that these fish need to be
in warm water (78-80*f) in order to thrive. It's a fact that they,
just like any other fish thrive in a filtered tank.
It's also a fact that these fish need room to swim. They don't prefer
tiny bowls or vases.
So many people think that male Bettas can't be in with other community
fish. Again, not so.
As long as they are the correct tank mates and aren't in with fin
nippers they do well.
While recently at a pet shop I was looking at the shipment of female
Bettas they had and a girl came up to me. She said "Don't buy a
female "bait-uh" (Duh..she can't even pronounce the name properly),
they'll suffocate." I have no clue where she got that one.
It's amazing at all the myths out there. These poor fish need a break
and some knowledgeable people buying them.

[Tynk]

I wanted to add the section where the article talks about tank size.
Sub-titled *Bigger is Better*.
It says that "recent scientific findings sugest that that the long
tern health of Bettas housed in tiny enclosures is compromised, with
the life span of closely confined speciemns being drastically shorter
than those animals that have plenty of room to swim about. Autopsied
specimens that were kept in small enclosures have been found to have
died from atrophied muscles and fatty degeneration of tissues, while
their counterparts maintain a high degree of muscle tissue and
experience much longer life spans. Specimens confined to tiny bowls
seldom exceed 18 months to 2 years in captivity, while free-ranging
specimens housed in larger aquaria may thrive for more than seven or
eight years!"
The article in the April -07 Issue of Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine
is written by Philip A. Purser.
He also goes on to talk about the need for filtration and how the lack
of can lead to poor water conditions quickly and a Bettas fins can
quickly break down from it.
I urge anyone with a Betta or that knows somebody with one that houses
it in a tiny, unheated, and unfiltered bowl/vase to read this
article.
I've been saying all of this stuff for many years and once again,
there's been a printed article saying the same.
Sometimes people need to read printed material to believe it.

[swarvegorilla]

> I've been saying all of this stuff for many years and once again,
> there's been a printed article saying the same.
> Sometimes people need to read printed material to believe it.
>

Yea I used to try tell people all that too
but the reality is they don't wanna hear it
betta keepers in 90% of cases consider the fish an ornament
good on ya for continueing with the good fight
but tis an unwinnable battle
On the bright side, it means Thai fish farms
can keep operating at 100% capacity
some pump out millions each week!!!!

Personally all my betta are in community tanks
livebearer population control
:)

[Reel McKoi]

"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
>> I've been saying all of this stuff for many years and once again,
>> there's been a printed article saying the same.
>> Sometimes people need to read printed material to believe it.
>>
>
> Yea I used to try tell people all that too
> but the reality is they don't wanna hear it
> betta keepers in 90% of cases consider the fish an ornament

Many people buy them for their children as they're cheap, small, pretty and
the small bowls sold to them are also cheap. In no time the betta is dead. I
stopped raising them in the 1960s when I realized this. It's cruel to raise
them just to sell them into certain suffering an death at the hands of
people who know no better.

> good on ya for continueing with the good fight
> but tis an unwinnable battle

This is believe is true. How many people read these Newsgroups? The pet
shops don't tell people the fish need something more than a 8 oz. ivy bowl
to live in.

> On the bright side, it means Thai fish farms
> can keep operating at 100% capacity
> some pump out millions each week!!!!

As they will continue to do forever......

> Personally all my betta are in community tanks
> livebearer population control
> :)
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>

[Gill Passman]

Reel McKoi wrote:

>
> Many people buy them for their children as they're cheap, small, pretty
> and the small bowls sold to them are also cheap. In no time the betta is
> dead. I stopped raising them in the 1960s when I realized this. It's
> cruel to raise them just to sell them into certain suffering an death at
> the hands of people who know no better.
>

>
> This is believe is true. How many people read these Newsgroups? The
> pet shops don't tell people the fish need something more than a 8 oz.
> ivy bowl to live in.

Well.....this is how someone houses their bettas.......not sure it
really equates with the sentiments given here....but hey, maybe it is do
as I say and not as I do:-

http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/Aquarium-Page3.html

[swarvegorilla]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Reel McKoi wrote:
>
>>
>> Many people buy them for their children as they're cheap, small, pretty
>> and the small bowls sold to them are also cheap. In no time the betta is
>> dead. I stopped raising them in the 1960s when I realized this. It's
>> cruel to raise them just to sell them into certain suffering an death at
>> the hands of people who know no better.
>>
>
>>
>> This is believe is true. How many people read these Newsgroups? The pet
>> shops don't tell people the fish need something more than a 8 oz. ivy
>> bowl to live in.
>
> Well.....this is how someone houses their bettas.......not sure it really
> equates with the sentiments given here....but hey, maybe it is do as I say
> and not as I do:-
>
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/Aquarium-Page3.html
>
>
>
>

I used to do pretty much the same hey
now tho I put paradise fish in bowls like that
the fighters don't handle the temp jumps so well in this area
so paradise fish in bowls and fighters in tanks
for me anyway.

Have sold hundreds of fighters in my time
bred quite a few batches myself too
and at the end of the day
people really just want something pretty
and 'easy'
easy = will live for a few months
treated badly and only cost $10

to make money ya gotta give people what they want,
I always tried to push the paradise fish
and a larger container
but sometimes
people don't wanna hear a 30 min lecture
and ya gotta pay the rent.

:)
But yea spread the word
those that care enuf to actually look
will learn.
But 99% of betta keepers
will never think to look or ask
no matter how many they kill
Betta will always be 'easy'
in their mind.

Humans ROCK!
WoooooT!!

Swarvegorilla

[Reel McKoi]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Reel McKoi wrote:
>
>>
>> Many people buy them for their children as they're cheap, small, pretty
>> and the small bowls sold to them are also cheap. In no time the betta is
>> dead. I stopped raising them in the 1960s when I realized this. It's
>> cruel to raise them just to sell them into certain suffering an death at
>> the hands of people who know no better.
>>
>
>>
>> This is believe is true. How many people read these Newsgroups? The pet
>> shops don't tell people the fish need something more than a 8 oz. ivy
>> bowl to live in.
>
> Well.....this is how someone houses their bettas....

Yes, and these bettas lived for 5 years with weekly water changes and a
large variety of foods.

....not sure it
> really equates with the sentiments given here....but hey, maybe it is do
> as I say and not as I do:-

They're in gallon tanks now. Are you going to complain they're also too
small?

> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/Aquarium-Page3.html

I think you need to stop being a hypocrite and practice what you preached to
me on the phone and by e-mail for weeks last year. What's good for the
geese isn't good for the ganders in the UK?
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[Reel McKoi]

"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
u...
>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/Aquarium-Page3.html

> I used to do pretty much the same hey
> now tho I put paradise fish in bowls like that

I wonder if they'll come down on you for admitting that. :-O After all,
some will see that as cruel as keeping bettas that way no matter how good
the care you give them

> the fighters don't handle the temp jumps so well in this area
> so paradise fish in bowls and fighters in tanks
> for me anyway.
>
> Have sold hundreds of fighters in my time
> bred quite a few batches myself too
> and at the end of the day
> people really just want something pretty
> and 'easy'
> easy = will live for a few months
> treated badly and only cost $10

Those who keep them in in gallon bowls or less and give them excellent care
and feeding can have them around for 4 to 5 years.

> to make money ya gotta give people what they want,
> I always tried to push the paradise fish
> and a larger container
> but sometimes
> people don't wanna hear a 30 min lecture
> and ya gotta pay the rent.

Damn right! And most are not going to spend $60 or more to house a $3.99
betta.

> :)
> But yea spread the word
> those that care enuf to actually look
> will learn.
> But 99% of betta keepers
> will never think to look or ask
> no matter how many they kill
> Betta will always be 'easy'
> in their mind.

Just like goldfish. They wont spend a lot of money on something they don't
value much and is cheap to replace. Some people can't afford a tank,
filter, heater, dechlor, food etc for one small fish.

> Humans ROCK!
> WoooooT!!
>
> Swarvegorilla

--
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[Tristin]

Hey Carol
STFU Bitch!


On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:23:03 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
> foamed:
Nothing of value so its all deleted:

<<>>



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tristin]

YOu were told to STFU you moron. Get back to dancing you dumbass! You
know nothing about fish.......go peel some bananas and feed that
grandkid or something or other, and let the fish advice tothose in the
know!



On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:30:56 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
> foamed still more crap:




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Tynk]

On Mar 4, 11:30�pm, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

>
> Just like goldfish. *They wont spend a lot of money on something they don't
> value much and is cheap to replace. *Some people can't afford a tank,
> filter, heater, dechlor, food etc for one small fish.

Then they shouldn't get a fish!
Duh!
Same with any other animal. If you can't afford to properly care for
it, you shouldn't have it. No matter what it cost you to purchase.
You need to go read the article piece I posted from TFH magazine
where it talks about the effects to the fish's body when kept in
little bowls. It DOES harm them.
Scientific proof probably won't be enough for you to stop saying such
nonsense anyway.
You always want to argue about it, so dance away puppet........

[Larry Blanchard]

Tynk wrote:

> On Mar 4, 11:30?pm, "Reel McKoi" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just like goldfish. ??They wont spend a lot of money on something they
>> don't value much and is cheap to replace. ??Some people can't afford a
>> tank, filter, heater, dechlor, food etc for one small fish.
>
> Then they shouldn't get a fish!
> Duh!
> Same with any other animal. If you can't afford to properly care for
> it, you shouldn't have it. No matter what it cost you to purchase.

You're both right. You are talking about things as they should be, and she(?)
is talking about things as they are. Unfortunate, but true.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
On Mar 4, 11:30�pm, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

>
> Just like goldfish. They wont spend a lot of money on something they don't
> value much and is cheap to replace. Some people can't afford a tank,
> filter, heater, dechlor, food etc for one small fish.

Then they shouldn't get a fish!
Duh!

Double Duh!! Then the salesperson would lose their job for refusing to sell
the customer what they want - duh!

Same with any other animal. If you can't afford to properly care for
it, you shouldn't have it. No matter what it cost you to purchase.

Tell that to the owners and stockholders of the chain Pet Stores. I doubt
they're lurking here.

You need to go read the article piece I posted from TFH magazine
where it talks about the effects to the fish's body when kept in
little bowls. It DOES harm them.

Then demand these articles be printed out and handed out in the pet stores.
Or get laws passed that people must either purchase tanks, heaters and
filters with each betta or show proof they already own the equipment needed.

Scientific proof probably won't be enough for you to stop saying such
nonsense anyway.

Nonsense? How are you going to convince sales people to refuse selling
bettas and lose their jobs?

You always want to argue about it, so dance away puppet........

You're the "dancing puppet"......... I pull your strings every time I post!
You appear like a mindless puppet on a stage, to dance and twirl and swing
and hop..... :-)
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[Tynk]

On Mar 6, 11:24�am, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

>
> Then they shouldn't get a fish!
> Duh!
>
> Double Duh!! *Then the salesperson would lose their job for refusing to sell
> the customer what they want - duh!

Double duh? lol

There are shops who refuse to sell fish to customers.
I hear several Petsmarts are doing it. The one by my son's house
refused to sell them neons because the tank they had didn't have a
heater. His Girlfirend wanted them and was ticked because they
wouldn't sell them to her. I said WOW! They're actually doing the
right thing. I explained to her that I understood she didn't like
being told by a shop employee she couldn't buy what she wanted, but
they did the right thing, as those fish need a heated tank. She
understood.
There's another Petsmart in my Mom's town that has 2 employees who
refuse to sell fish to people without the proper set up.
Another AOL member I know works at a Petsmart in (I forget of it's TX
or Alabama) that refuses customers as well.
They are changing.
It may be slow, but it is catching on.

>
> You always want to argue about it, so dance away puppet........
>
You did exactly what I said you would. You just think you hold the
strings. That's fine.
You couldn't come up with anything on your own, copied what I said to
you, and are trying to run with it.
Typical. It's hillarious every time you copy me. So dance puppet.
Prove me right once again.

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 6, 11:24�am, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

>
> Then they shouldn't get a fish!
> Duh!
>
> Double Duh!! Then the salesperson would lose their job for refusing to
> sell
> the customer what they want - duh!

Double duh? lol

Sure... I added one! LOL! :-D That was for good measure.

There are shops who refuse to sell fish to customers.
I hear several Petsmarts are doing it. The one by my son's house
refused to sell them neons because the tank they had didn't have a
heater. His Girlfirend wanted them and was ticked because they
wouldn't sell them to her. I said WOW! They're actually doing the
right thing. I explained to her that I understood she didn't like
being told by a shop employee she couldn't buy what she wanted, but
they did the right thing, as those fish need a heated tank. She
understood.
There's another Petsmart in my Mom's town that has 2 employees who
refuse to sell fish to people without the proper set up.
Another AOL member I know works at a Petsmart in (I forget of it's TX
or Alabama) that refuses customers as well.
They are changing.
It may be slow, but it is catching on.

Well it's about time.

> You always want to argue about it, so dance away puppet........

You did exactly what I said you would. You just think you hold the
strings. That's fine.

Of course *I* hold the strings as *YOU* reply to my every post whereas if
you ignore me - I ignore you! Are you too dumb to figure that out? :-)
Now dance girl dance.............

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[Gill Passman]

Reel McKoi wrote:
>

> Of course *I* hold the strings as *YOU* reply to my every post whereas
> if you ignore me - I ignore you! Are you too dumb to figure that out?
> :-) Now dance girl dance.............
>

You might think you hold the strings....but boy are you
predictable.....therefore you are the muppet......you never ignore
anyone....you have to make your point....and that is the whole reason
for your existence as far as I can see.....

Now as for calling Tynk a girl....Tynk is a lady.....a distinction you
have a long way to go to earn....you could do it if you choose but
normally you choose not to......so go dance....

Gill

[Gill Passman]

Reel McKoi wrote:

>
> I think you need to stop being a hypocrite and practice what you
> preached to me on the phone and by e-mail for weeks last year. What's
> good for the geese isn't good for the ganders in the UK?


Well I guess you need to learn the lesson that private conversations are
private....or would you care for me to share everything we
discussed....don't wet yourself.....I have standards unlike you....what
you have told me remains between the two of us....just give me the same
amount of respect is all I ask.....but even then I won't share our
conversations....but that is because I have moral standards - which
obviously you don't share or even have a clue about.....

If what is good for the goose being good for the gander includes you
destroying ramr then I hope for sure somewhere you have a concience but
I doubt it muppet girl....now dance for me again in your response as I'm
sure you will....

Gill

[Reel McKoi]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Reel McKoi wrote:
>>
>
>> Of course *I* hold the strings as *YOU* reply to my every post whereas
>> if you ignore me - I ignore you! Are you too dumb to figure that out?
>> :-) Now dance girl dance.............


> You might think you hold the strings....but boy are you predictable...

So are you Gill. Just like Tristan you follow my every message to harass me
like a neurotic nippy little dog.

...therefore you are the muppet......you never ignore
> anyone....you have to make your point....and that is the whole reason for
> your existence as far as I can see.....

What's the whole reason for your existence Gill? To follow my every message
with these comments? Why do you hope to accomplish?

> Now as for calling Tynk a girl....Tynk is a lady.....a distinction you
> have a long way to go to earn....

Yipes!!!!!!!! Even MORE insults!!!!!!! You have a bagful. LOL!!! :-D

you could do it if you choose but
> normally you choose not to......so go dance....

Go to an AA meeting Gill......
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[Reel McKoi]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Reel McKoi wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you need to stop being a hypocrite and practice what you preached
>> to me on the phone and by e-mail for weeks last year. What's good for
>> the geese isn't good for the ganders in the UK?
>
>
> Well I guess you need to learn the lesson that private conversations are
> private....or would you care for me to share everything we
> discussed....don't wet yourself.....I have standards unlike you....

What standards do you have Gill when you wanted me to do something I felt
was wrong and you decided to turn around and start to defend Roy Tristan
Hauer and his attacks on me?

what
> you have told me remains between the two of us....just give me the same
> amount of respect is all I ask....

I have. Try and remember all the things you said. I have not repeated
them, nor will I ever. The thing with Tristan is another matter. Sp stop
the insinuations that only YOU have "standards."

..but even then I won't share our
> conversations....but that is because I have moral standards - which
> obviously you don't share or even have a clue about.....

Wow........ even MORE insults. Holy Kow... you have a sackfull!!!!!!!!!!!
:-D Your standards and a bit lacking when you pretend to be someone's
friend, then dump them when they don't do as you want them to do. Worse yet
you take up with one of the worst and sickest foul mouth, sex-obsessed
trolls these NGs ever had. You think I shouldn't feel deceived, manipulated
and lied to by you?

> If what is good for the goose being good for the gander includes you
> destroying ramr

Check again. RAMR is thriving. They were smart enough to killfile him and go
on... unlike this NG when he invaded it 2 years ago. No one would use their
killfiles so moved to their own private Google group.

then I hope for sure somewhere you have a concience but
> I doubt it muppet girl....

Muppet? Better an muppet than a drunk.

now dance for me again in your response as I'm
> sure you will....

That's an example of your HIGH STANDARDS? LOL! :-))

>
> Gill

You'll make a fine moderator with your attitude. Now sober up and check out
RAMR again........ ;-)

Oh, and since you feel justified to insult me constantly, I'm sure you wont
mind me tossing a few insults your way.
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[Tynk]

On Mar 6, 4:36�pm, Gill Passman > wrote:
> Reel McKoi wrote:
>
> > Of course *I* hold the strings as *YOU* *reply to my every post whereas
> > if you ignore me - I ignore you! *Are you too dumb to figure that out? *
> > :-) Now dance girl dance.............
>
> You might think you hold the strings....but boy are you
> predictable.....therefore you are the muppet......you never ignore
> anyone....you have to make your point....and that is the whole reason
> for your existence as far as I can see.....
>
> Now as for calling Tynk a girl....Tynk is a lady.....a distinction you
> have a long way to go to earn....you could do it if you choose but
> normally you choose not to......so go dance....
>
> Gill

Thanks Gill.
She does know how to dance, doesn't she. lol
I do like the muppet reference. A lot less intelligence involved.
She keeps on dancing like a muppet / puppet by replying to everyone's
posts. Proving over, and over how much of a muppet she really is.
She can't come up with anything good on her own, takes what I said,
tried to use it against me, but is actually proving me right about how
much of a dancing puppet she really is. So predictable. So typical.
Nothing new. Same old Carol respsonses.
Such a bore. No doubt she'll post over and over so she can have the
last word. Again, typical Carol. Then she'll post a reply in one of
her many other screen names pretending to be somebody else and
clogging up the groups. Such a snore fest.
Looking down at the later posts...yeah. She does the muppet-puppet
dance over and over, yet doesn't have a clue as to how much of a joke
she really is. Dance away...muppet. Dance.
Every response you make proves it once again.
Gills said it right on before. When you stop...it all stops. But you
can't do it can you? Just keep on dancing for us.

[Tynk]

On Mar 6, 7:14?pm, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:

Gill wrote to the puppet:

<<If what is good for the goose being good for the gander includes
you
destroying ramr then I hope for sure somewhere you have a concience
but
I doubt it muppet girl....now dance for me again in your response as
I'm
sure you will....
>>

And of course she danced away.....not once, but twice.

Hey Carol....in case you didn't realize this, but this thread was
about Bettas, not YOU!
Stop trying to make every single post about YOU.
Did you even bother reading the information about what happens to
Bettas when kept in bowls, the size that you kept yours in for many
years? It doesn't matter that they lived in those cramped quarters for
4 yrs. You keep going on like that was a good thing.
It means they suffered that much longer. Just think if they were in a
3g, or a 5g, or 10g how long they may have lived.
It's now a fact that when kept in small bowls, like you had yours in
on your kitchen window sill, it does damage to their muscles, and ends
their lives sooner.
You'll say they thrived because they lived 4 yrs like that. Sorry.
Surviving and thriving are very different things. Until you have a
necropsy done by a certified vet, you cannot claim keeping them in
tiny bowls didn't harm them. It's been proven otherwise.
If you reply, and of course you will, as you always reply to
everything, make it about Bettas!
It's not the Dancing Muppet-puppet Carol show.

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> And of course she danced away.....not once, but twice.
>
> Hey Carol....in case you didn't realize this, but this thread was
> about Bettas, not YOU!

No one said it was about me. Why do you reply to every message I post here?
Try ignoring me and I'll ignore you.

> Stop trying to make every single post about YOU.
> Did you even bother reading the information about what happens to
> Bettas when kept in bowls, the size that you kept yours in for many
> years? It doesn't matter that they lived in those cramped quarters for
> 4 yrs. You keep going on like that was a good thing.

Would you have considered it a good thing if they had died as probably 98%
of all bettas do in weeks of leaving the breeder?

> It means they suffered that much longer. Just think if they were in a
> 3g, or a 5g, or 10g how long they may have lived.

How much longer? A month? Two months. Why harass me constantly over this?
What are you getting out of it? Why not go out there and stop the breeding
and sale of bettas when you know most will end up in small containers,
neglected and soon be dead?

> It's now a fact that when kept in small bowls, like you had yours in
> on your kitchen window sill, it does damage to their muscles, and ends
> their lives sooner.

How much sooner? These lived 5 years and one old one hung on longer than
that. Why don't you start a movement to stop the sale of bettas? Hounding
me endlessly isn't going to make one iota of difference for the millions
sold each year worldwide.

> You'll say they thrived because they lived 4 yrs like that. Sorry.

Sorry is right.... the did thrive. They were beautiful, grew old and finally
died after 5 years.

> Surviving and thriving are very different things. Until you have a
> necropsy done by a certified vet, you cannot claim keeping them in
> tiny bowls didn't harm them.

And you can't claim it did without necropsies. Do you expect me to revive
the dead, take out loans and spend $60 on each betta who has passed away?
What is you point going on and on and on about this? They're GONE! They
grew old and they died. Why don't you start a movement to stop the breeding
and selling of these fish because people will continue to keep them in small
containers.

It's been proven otherwise.
> If you reply, and of course you will, as you always reply to
> everything, make it about Bettas!

Why do you reply to everything? Why is it ok for YOU to reply to everything
but not someone else? What makes you different?

> It's not the Dancing Muppet-puppet Carol show.

Right,... it's the Dancing Muppet-puppet-know-it-all Tynk show. ;-)
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Tynk]

On Mar 7, 12:32?am, "Reel McKoi" >
wrote:
As usual...
Carol dances the muppet - puppet Carol show for us all over again, and
again...just like I said she would.
Come on....Dance for us again.
You know you want to. You can't help yourself. Everyone pulls yours
strings and you dance away......
Come on..you know you can't resist.

[Reel McKoi]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 7, 12:32?am, "Reel McKoi" >
> wrote:
> As usual...
> Carol dances the muppet - puppet Carol show for us all over again, and
> again...just like I said she would.
> Come on....Dance for us again.
> You know you want to. You can't help yourself. Everyone pulls yours
> strings and you dance away......
> Come on..you know you can't resist.
===============================
As usual Tynk must reply...... ;-)
Tynk dances the muppet - puppet Tynk-show for us all over again, and
again...just like I said she would. Come on....Dance for us again Tynk. Show
us you stuff.
You know you want to. You know you can't stop. You can't help yourself.
You've lost control. Everyone pulls yours
strings and you dance, dance, dance away......

Come on muppet-puppet......you know you can't resist me Tynk....... :-)))
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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[swarvegorilla]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 7, 12:32?am, "Reel McKoi" >
> wrote:
> As usual...
> Carol dances the muppet - puppet Carol show for us all over again, and
> again...just like I said she would.
> Come on....Dance for us again.
> You know you want to. You can't help yourself. Everyone pulls yours
> strings and you dance away......
> Come on..you know you can't resist.
>

Seriously you ****ing babys
Grow the **** up
Dammit now I'm swearing
take your **** off this newsgroup
ALL of you
NONE OF YOU HAVE SQUATTER RIGHTS
Stay on topic or go away.
Freshwater fish, is it that hard?
EVERY DAY the same old stuff
There are plenty of other forums to go be ******s on
And I don't care who is 'right' and who is not.
It's your tank, do what ya want.
But cut out the bickering and bull****.
This place is used by adults as well as you children.
Learn some manners or go suck on a shotgun and pull the trigger.
No, the other end you retard.

[Ghent]

Like we said before, no one gives a rats ass about your ponds or fish
or plants Roy Tristan Hauer..your a moron and dancing puppet.........go get
help you dumb asshole. Get a freaking life you low life scum bag psycho from
Hope Hull, AL.your a sick dancing puppet and a moron.

YOu were told to STFU you moron. Get back to dancing you dumbass! You
know nothing about fish.......go peel some bananas and feed that
grandkid or something or other, and let the fish advice tothose in the
know!

Get your head out of your ass dumbass........yet another dancing
puppet .....how cute!

----
I forgot more about ponds and morons than I'll ever know!

[Ghent]

Like we said before, no one gives a rats ass about your ponds or fish
or plants .......your a moron and dancing puppet.........go get
help you dumb asshole. Get a freaking life you low life scum bag .......your
a sick dancing puppet and a moron.

YOu were told to STFU you moron. Get back to dancing you dumbass! You
know nothing about fish.......go peel some bananas and feed that
grandkid or something or other, and let the fish advice tothose in the
know!

Get your head out of your ass dumbass........yet another dancing
puppet .....how cute!

----
I forgot more about ponds and morons than I'll ever know!

[JudgeDread]

Lookie what I found........ how many other socks does Tristan have?

posts as "Tristan" and
"Zebulon" and "Concerned Aquaria Group Members" This is in the past few
days alone. His old NYM was "Roy." His nym shifting, personal attacks and
harassment of others and impersonating history goes back 2 years. This is
just two of who knows how many:

From: Concerned Aquaria Group Members {TRISTAN aka RoyHauer}
>
Newsgroups:
rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc,rec.ponds,rec.aquaria. freshwater.goldfish
Subject: Read me--AQUARIA GROUPS INFORMATION NOTE--Read me.
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:12:31 -0600
Organization: The ****er off of the Queen Bee {ADMITS TROLLING}
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