I got a pair of breeder Angels

[Tristin]

Right from a breeders fishroom......I picked them up when I was at
the coast earlier this week. I stopped by a lfs there and I inquired
about angels and he did not have what I wanted, but looked in his
book.......and he gave me the address of a person & phone # that
rasied them. I gavce the fella a call and he said he would part with a
pair or some of his other stock, and since he was not too far out of
the way, I went for a look..........Just typical common silver
angels......

He also had some KOI angels, and I thought long and hard on buying
some of them, but stuck with the regular silver.


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[Tynk]

On Mar 8, 9:08�am, Tristin > wrote:
> Right from a breeders *fishroom......I picked them up when I was at
> the coast earlier this week. I stopped by a lfs there and I inquired
> about angels and he did not have what I wanted, but looked in his
> book.......and he gave me the address of a person & *phone # that
> rasied them. I gavce the fella a call and he said he would part with a
> pair *or some of his other stock, and since he was not too far out of
> the way, I went for a look..........Just typical common silver
> angels......
>
> He also had some KOI angels, and I thought long and hard on buying
> some of them, but stuck with the regular silver.
>
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> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Way to go.
Did the breeder let you know how old they are?
I find many Koi Angels to be aggressive. I don't know what it is about
them, but they seem to have a bad attitude gene.

[Gill Passman]

Tristin wrote:
> Right from a breeders fishroom......I picked them up when I was at
> the coast earlier this week. I stopped by a lfs there and I inquired
> about angels and he did not have what I wanted, but looked in his
> book.......and he gave me the address of a person & phone # that
> rasied them. I gavce the fella a call and he said he would part with a
> pair or some of his other stock, and since he was not too far out of
> the way, I went for a look..........

Neat....wish we had some local breeders available - at least you have a
higher chance of them being disease free......


>Just typical common silver
> angels......

Over here it is the Koi and the black and white stripey ones that are
more common - getting a black or a silver (platinum) is quite a good
find - I have one black veil tailed and one platinum.....of course the
wild Altum angels are even rarer - my LFS has some in - boy are they
expensive but very beautiful....I'm not sure that the staff want to see
them sold as I've overheard them telling people that they are very
difficult to keep - and the guy who looks after the system in question
has already admitted at much to me on a quiet day....

>
> He also had some KOI angels, and I thought long and hard on buying
> some of them, but stuck with the regular silver.

I saw that Tynk mentioned that the Koi can be difficult - my SIL had an
experience that tends to back this up - she had two Koi in her 40gall -
they were dinky when she got them but ended up at around 4" very quickly
- they terrorised every other fish in the tank - she returned them to
the LFS - the staff argued amongst themselves then the Manager pulled
rank and is now the proud owner of two great Koi Angel specimens....

Where are you going to keep them? I remember you mentioning having them
out in your preforms for the summer months but am curious as to where
you have them currently....

Gill

[Tristin]

Right now until the outside preforms warm up they are in a 40 gal
tank......heavily planted....

I liked the koi angels but have not read up on them much so I
passed....





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[Tristin]

Said they were about 2 years of age......IIRC as I looked at qiuite a
few differemnt fish, so I may be wrong on these as to age...OUtside
preforms have about 20 more deg to go up and styay at that temp as a
minimum for a week or two and they will then be placed outside in a
preform. For now thou as I told Gill they are in a 40 gal heavily
planted tank....My pick up a dozen or two neons tomorrow, or so.
Been feeding the angels krill and chopped silversides and they like it
just fine. As well as cichlid pellets. I know th ewilversides is a
salt water fish but they are high in protein and on the label has them
listed for cichlids and other meat eaters of fresh and sal****er
species.....




On 8 Mar 2007 07:20:02 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

<<>>On Mar 8, 9:08?am, Tristin > wrote:
<<>>> Right from a breeders &ishroom......I picked them up when I was at
<<>>> the coast earlier this week. I stopped by a lfs there and I inquired
<<>>> about angels and he did not have what I wanted, but looked in his
<<>>> book.......and he gave me the address of a person & 0hone # that
<<>>> rasied them. I gavce the fella a call and he said he would part with a
<<>>> pair /r some of his other stock, and since he was not too far out of
<<>>> the way, I went for a look..........Just typical common silver
<<>>> angels......
<<>>>
<<>>> He also had some KOI angels, and I thought long and hard on buying
<<>>> some of them, but stuck with the regular silver.
<<>>>
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<<>>
<<>>Way to go.
<<>>Did the breeder let you know how old they are?
<<>>I find many Koi Angels to be aggressive. I don't know what it is about
<<>>them, but they seem to have a bad attitude gene.
<<>>



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[Tynk]

On Mar 8, 6:17�pm, Tristin > wrote:
> Said they were about 2 years of age......IIRC as I looked at qiuite a
> few differemnt fish, so I *may be wrong on these as to age...OUtside
> preforms have about 20 more deg to go up and styay at that temp as a
> minimum for a week or two and they will then be *placed outside *in a
> preform. For now thou as I told Gill they are in a 40 gal heavily
> planted tank....My *pick up a dozen or two neons tomorrow, or so.
> Been feeding the angels krill and chopped silversides and they like it
> just fine. As well as cichlid pellets. I know th ewilversides is a
> salt water fish but they are high in protein and on the label has them
> listed for cichlids and other meat eaters of fresh and sal****er
> species.....
>
> On 8 Mar 2007 07:20:02 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> <<>>On Mar 8, 9:08?am, Tristin > wrote:
> <<>>> Right from a breeders &ishroom......I picked them up when I was at
> <<>>> the coast earlier this week. I stopped by a lfs there and I inquired
> <<>>> about angels and he did not have what I wanted, but looked in his
> <<>>> book.......and he gave me the address of a person & 0hone # that
> <<>>> rasied them. I gavce the fella a call and he said he would part with a
> <<>>> pair /r some of his other stock, and since he was not too far out of
> <<>>> the way, I went for a look..........Just typical common silver
> <<>>> angels......
> <<>>>
> <<>>> He also had some KOI angels, and I thought long and hard on buying
> <<>>> some of them, but stuck with the regular silver.
> <<>>>
> <<>>> -------
> <<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
> <<>>
> <<>>Way to go.
> <<>>Did the breeder let you know how old they are?
> <<>>I find many Koi Angels to be aggressive. I don't know what it is about
> <<>>them, but they seem to have a bad attitude gene.
> <<>>
>
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> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Good job, Tristan.
Angels usually live between 8-10 yrs, so you should have them for
several more years.
Do you know if they are a mated pair, or when you said pair did you
just mean 2 of them?

[Ghent]

Like we said before, no one gives a rats ass about your ponds or fish
or plants Roy Tristan Hauer..your a moron and dancing puppet.........go get
help you dumb asshole.

Get your head out of your ass dumbass........yet another dancing
puppet .....how cute!

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[Ghent]

No one gives a **** Tristan get a clue moron.

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[Ghent]

Who gives a rats ass Tristan ................I really don;t think anyone in
these groups gives a flip about your psychosies or fish!

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[Gill Passman]

Tristin wrote:
> My pick up a dozen or two neons tomorrow, or so.

If you are thinking of the neons for live food I wouldn't bother - my
pair of Angels live with around 20 neons and other small fish and don't
touch them - which is a good thing as I love my neons and they are
hubby's favourites - I know that this isn't always the case and that I
have been lucky to date......I know people have different attitudes
about feeding live fish to fish - personally I turn a blind eye and try
not to think about it too much when my angels and other fish eat the
livebearer fry in the main display tanks....Anyway, if you want to
provide live as well as dead food then getting some livebearers would be
better (and cheaper in the long run as you don't need to replace the
adults and they replace the fry themselves).....

> Been feeding the angels krill and chopped silversides and they like it
> just fine. As well as cichlid pellets. I know th ewilversides is a
> salt water fish but they are high in protein and on the label has them
> listed for cichlids and other meat eaters of fresh and sal****er
> species.....

Mine get frozen bloodworms, frozen brine shrimp, flake and will
occassionally nibble on some veggies such as cucumber or courgette if
not beaten to it by the rabble of Clown Loaches......and of course I'm
sure that they chomp on any mollie or platy fry as I've got both in the
tank and have not seen any fry since the angels went in there....

Gill

[Tristin]

Looking for neons for schooling type fish in the tank. I intend to
start feeding some of the hundreds of guppy fry I get......as I
usually get over run with guppy and platy fry....
I ofund they also like mysid shrimp, which reminds me I need to run
into town and pick up another chunk of frozen mysid. I buy 5# trays of
frozen mysids, and break off small ;lieces and put it in a zip lock
baggie for ease of feeding.....


On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:14:00 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Tristin wrote:
<<>>> My pick up a dozen or two neons tomorrow, or so.
<<>>
<<>>If you are thinking of the neons for live food I wouldn't bother - my
<<>>pair of Angels live with around 20 neons and other small fish and don't
<<>>touch them - which is a good thing as I love my neons and they are
<<>>hubby's favourites - I know that this isn't always the case and that I
<<>>have been lucky to date......I know people have different attitudes
<<>>about feeding live fish to fish - personally I turn a blind eye and try
<<>>not to think about it too much when my angels and other fish eat the
<<>>livebearer fry in the main display tanks....Anyway, if you want to
<<>>provide live as well as dead food then getting some livebearers would be
<<>>better (and cheaper in the long run as you don't need to replace the
<<>>adults and they replace the fry themselves).....
<<>>
<<>>> Been feeding the angels krill and chopped silversides and they like it
<<>>> just fine. As well as cichlid pellets. I know th ewilversides is a
<<>>> salt water fish but they are high in protein and on the label has them
<<>>> listed for cichlids and other meat eaters of fresh and sal****er
<<>>> species.....
<<>>
<<>>Mine get frozen bloodworms, frozen brine shrimp, flake and will
<<>>occassionally nibble on some veggies such as cucumber or courgette if
<<>>not beaten to it by the rabble of Clown Loaches......and of course I'm
<<>>sure that they chomp on any mollie or platy fry as I've got both in the
<<>>tank and have not seen any fry since the angels went in there....
<<>>
<<>>Gill
<<>>
<<>>



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[Gill Passman]

Tristin wrote:
> Looking for neons for schooling type fish in the tank.

Ah, right, I did think for a moment that you had a) either lost your
marbles, b)had more money than sense or c) both of the afore
mentioned......Yes, the neons fit in really well with the angels but you
do need to consider that they could become "lunch" - and it is very much
a case of suck it and see.....

I had the neons before the angels but have introduced more neons
since.....I would say make sure that you get the largest neons in the
shop - some are so small that they are really just the size of
livebearer fry and won't last 5 secs.....Plant the tank as much as you
can before adding them - some valis and long-stemmed plants would
work....this gives the Neons an opportunity to escape.....Only buy 5/6
Neons to start (number depends on the quantity discount given by your
LFS) - this way if it does end in tears you haven't lost too much.....If
the angels and neons seem fine then go ahead and buy some more - nothing
more effective IMO than a school of little brightly coloured fish to
finish off a tank of larger fish. If it doesn't work with the Neons
there are other schooling fish that you might consider - I've just
acquired some flame rasboras - a little bit bigger than the neons and
look just great....

Gill

[Tristin]

I got a bakers dozen of neons.....about 1" to 1 1/4" in length, cheap
on sale 99 cents each or 6 for $5. I also got half a dozen bloodfin
tetras. Angels were really interested in them when they were in their
acclimataion container in the big tank, and from the looks of the
angels, I could sort of read "food" being turned over in their
minds...But once I released them all, the angels have not paid them
any attention......Just counted again and they are all present and
accounted for...I don;t think they are gonna bother them as they are
probably too large for them to consume......and they have a bunch of
vegetatoin to hide in if need be......Guess time will tell!



..On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:40:24 +0000, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Tristin wrote:
<<>>> Looking for neons for schooling type fish in the tank.
<<>>
<<>>Ah, right, I did think for a moment that you had a) either lost your
<<>>marbles, b)had more money than sense or c) both of the afore
<<>>mentioned......Yes, the neons fit in really well with the angels but you
<<>>do need to consider that they could become "lunch" - and it is very much
<<>>a case of suck it and see.....
<<>>
<<>>I had the neons before the angels but have introduced more neons
<<>>since.....I would say make sure that you get the largest neons in the
<<>>shop - some are so small that they are really just the size of
<<>>livebearer fry and won't last 5 secs.....Plant the tank as much as you
<<>>can before adding them - some valis and long-stemmed plants would
<<>>work....this gives the Neons an opportunity to escape.....Only buy 5/6
<<>>Neons to start (number depends on the quantity discount given by your
<<>>LFS) - this way if it does end in tears you haven't lost too much.....If
<<>>the angels and neons seem fine then go ahead and buy some more - nothing
<<>>more effective IMO than a school of little brightly coloured fish to
<<>>finish off a tank of larger fish. If it doesn't work with the Neons
<<>>there are other schooling fish that you might consider - I've just
<<>>acquired some flame rasboras - a little bit bigger than the neons and
<<>>look just great....
<<>>
<<>>Gill



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[Tynk]

On Mar 9, 5:28�pm, Tristin > wrote:
> I got a bakers dozen of neons.....about 1" to 1 1/4" in length, cheap
> on sale 99 cents each or *6 for $5. I also got half a dozen bloodfin
> tetras. Angels were really interested in them when they were in their
> acclimataion *container in the big tank, and from the looks of the
> angels, I could sort of read "food" *being turned over in their
> minds...But once I released them all, *the angels have not paid them
> any attention......Just counted again and they are all present and
> accounted for...I don;t think they are gonna bother them as they are
> probably too large for them to consume......and they have a bunch of
> vegetatoin to hide in if need be......Guess time will tell!
>
> .On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:40:24 +0000, Gill Passman
>
> > wrote:
> <<>>Tristin wrote:
>
> <<>>> Looking for neons for schooling type fish in the tank.
> <<>>
> <<>>Ah, right, I did think for a moment that you had a) either lost your
> <<>>marbles, b)had more money than sense or c) both of the afore
> <<>>mentioned......Yes, the neons fit in really well with the angels but you
> <<>>do need to consider that they could become "lunch" - and it is very much
> <<>>a case of suck it and see.....
> <<>>
> <<>>I had the neons before the angels but have introduced more neons
> <<>>since.....I would say make sure that you get the largest neons in the
> <<>>shop - some are so small that they are really just the size of
> <<>>livebearer fry and won't last 5 secs.....Plant the tank as much as you
> <<>>can before adding them - some valis and long-stemmed plants would
> <<>>work....this gives the Neons an opportunity to escape.....Only buy 5/6
> <<>>Neons to start (number depends on the quantity discount given by your
> <<>>LFS) - this way if it does end in tears you haven't lost too much......If
> <<>>the angels and neons seem fine then go ahead and buy some more - nothing
> <<>>more effective IMO than a school of little brightly coloured fish to
> <<>>finish off a tank of larger fish. If it doesn't work with the Neons
> <<>>there are other schooling fish that you might consider - I've just
> <<>>acquired some flame rasboras - a little bit bigger than the neons and
> <<>>look just great....
> <<>>
> <<>>Gill
>
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> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

The trick to having Angelfish and Neons or Cardinals together in the
same tank is that the Angels must grow up with fully grown (or close
to it) Neons or Cardinals with them. If you use small ones...forget
about it. They're lunch.
Now once you've gotten your Angels used to being aroud Neons or
Cardinals and they're considered tank mates, not food....you can't add
smaller neons ever to replace any that may die. You cannot add larger
angels either.
When adding new neons or cardinals to the tank you should do it like
half an hour after lights out. You don't want their attention going to
prey drive while the new neons are floating in the bag.
The new guys will dart about out of fear of having no where to go with
predatory fish checking them out, and that will turn on their prey
drive towards the new guys.
I've already made that mistake. I didn't think my Angels that were
plenty used to being housed with Neons would decide to go after the
new ones. However, just like I mentioned before...that darting about
behavior in the bag while floating turned it on.
They went right after the newbies and left the established neons
alone.