orange/red digitata turned pink

[B]

I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked great
and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started turning pink
and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white pink. I've been
reading about coral bleaching but nothing really matches my situation.
These have been pink for over a month, maybe even a couple of months. The
store I bought it from has his "parent" frags growing great.

Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of light
from my halides and actinics.

Thanks for the advice.

B

[Wayne Sallee]

Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do
you have? Is the lighting brighter in your tank than
the store's tank? Going to a brighter tank, can
cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also
cause them to darken their colors. Also different
nutrient levels in the water can also make a change
in lightness and darkness of corals. And other
factors of water conditions can cause a change.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


*Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked great
> and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started turning pink
> and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white pink. I've been
> reading about coral bleaching but nothing really matches my situation.
> These have been pink for over a month, maybe even a couple of months. The
> store I bought it from has his "parent" frags growing great.
>
> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of light
> from my halides and actinics.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> B
>
>

[B]

Thanks Wayne,

My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's lighting
is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his corals are a
couple of inches deeper in the tank.

This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys, etc
at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.

All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness up. I
do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and phosphate
tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further examine this
problem, if it is one?

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely see
the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the blue-green
damsels) back when it was its original color.

-Bryan




"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a brighter
> tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also cause them
> to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in the water can
> also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals. And other factors
> of water conditions can cause a change.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked
>> great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started
>> turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white pink.
>> I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing really matches my
>> situation. These have been pink for over a month, maybe even a couple of
>> months. The store I bought it from has his "parent" frags growing great.
>>
>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
>> B

[Wayne Sallee]

You still have other corals besides the montipora.
And star polyps are still in the Anthozoa class. Yea
I can see the montipora in the picture.

I don't see anything in there that would cause a
problem.
What's the reason again that you have that bottle in
there?

How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should
ask, how are you other Anthozoa doing?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
> Thanks Wayne,
>
> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's lighting
> is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his corals are a
> couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>
> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys, etc
> at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>
> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness up. I
> do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and phosphate
> tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further examine this
> problem, if it is one?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely see
> the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the blue-green
> damsels) back when it was its original color.
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a brighter
>> tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also cause them
>> to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in the water can
>> also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals. And other factors
>> of water conditions can cause a change.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked
>>> great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started
>>> turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white pink.
>>> I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing really matches my
>>> situation. These have been pink for over a month, maybe even a couple of
>>> months. The store I bought it from has his "parent" frags growing great.
>>>
>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>
>>> B
>
>

[Add Homonym's home account]

How strong are his halides? Montiporas like a lot of light, but not like
acros do. Could be some but not all of the zooanthellae have been thrown
off (perhaps just one type, but not another - hence the color change
instead of full blown bleaching...)

My first thing to try would be move the digitata lower..


err... just looked at the jpg... it ain't that high up to begin with (I
don't keep my sps any deeper than 2-4 inches below water line myself)



Wayne Sallee wrote:

> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>
> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>
> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you
> other Anthozoa doing?
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>
>> Thanks Wayne,
>>
>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his
>> corals are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>
>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys,
>> etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>
>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness
>> up. I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and
>> phosphate tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further
>> examine this problem, if it is one?
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely
>> see the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the
>> blue-green damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>
>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can
>>> also cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient
>>> levels in the water can also make a change in lightness and darkness
>>> of corals. And other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>
>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it
>>>> looked great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it
>>>> started turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say
>>>> almost white pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but
>>>> nothing really matches my situation. These have been pink for over a
>>>> month, maybe even a couple of months. The store I bought it from
>>>> has his "parent" frags growing great.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>
>>
>>

[B]

Wayne that cracks me up. I do remember you asking me that "glass in the
tank" question months ago but I never got back to you.
I had two decorative Kahlua bottles that I was using for decoration. They
have long since been removed as I needed the space for live rock and
livestock.

Fungia coral doing well, zoos look good and are multiplying well, trumpets
multiply too fast it seems. -They split before they are finished with the
previous split and the stalks aren't growing fast enough to give them room
between each other. Red Lobo brain didn't make it. Right from the start it
also turned to pink and was bony for months. One day I just gave up on
it... or it gave up on me I should say. I just cut a ton of growth off my
star polyps and gave some to the LFS. Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject
one and two pop up. I'll probably "rent" a Berghia to help here.
Everything seems to be fine or 'normal'. I'm getting tired of cleaning the
green algae off the glass though. haha. I have trace phosphates and very
little, indirect sunlight hitting the tank, definitely not over feeding.
The halides are feeding the algae and I can't do much about it.

Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably
"rent" a Berghia to help here.

B


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
link.net...
> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>
> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>
> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you other
> Anthozoa doing?
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>> Thanks Wayne,
>>
>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his corals
>> are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>
>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys,
>> etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>
>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness up.
>> I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and phosphate
>> tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further examine this
>> problem, if it is one?
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely see
>> the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the blue-green
>> damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also
>>> cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in the
>>> water can also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals. And
>>> other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked
>>>> great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started
>>>> turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white
>>>> pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing really
>>>> matches my situation. These have been pink for over a month, maybe even
>>>> a couple of months. The store I bought it from has his "parent" frags
>>>> growing great.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>

[Wayne Sallee]

Yea it doesn't need to be lowered.

I've grown montiport right up to the surface of the
water under 400w mh lights where the bulbs were
about 10" above the water. Of course the corals
don't grow very far out of the water :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Add Homonym's home account wrote on 3/12/2007 3:04 PM:
> How strong are his halides? Montiporas like a lot of light, but not like
> acros do. Could be some but not all of the zooanthellae have been thrown
> off (perhaps just one type, but not another - hence the color change
> instead of full blown bleaching...)
>
> My first thing to try would be move the digitata lower..
>
>
> err... just looked at the jpg... it ain't that high up to begin with (I
> don't keep my sps any deeper than 2-4 inches below water line myself)
>
>
>
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>
>> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
>> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>>
>> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
>> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>>
>> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you
>> other Anthozoa doing?
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>>
>>> Thanks Wayne,
>>>
>>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his
>>> corals are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>>
>>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star
>>> polpys, etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>>
>>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness
>>> up. I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and
>>> phosphate tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further
>>> examine this problem, if it is one?
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely
>>> see the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the
>>> blue-green damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>>
>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>> ink.net...
>>>
>>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is
>>>> the lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can
>>>> also cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient
>>>> levels in the water can also make a change in lightness and darkness
>>>> of corals. And other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it
>>>>> looked great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it
>>>>> started turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say
>>>>> almost white pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but
>>>>> nothing really matches my situation. These have been pink for over
>>>>> a month, maybe even a couple of months. The store I bought it from
>>>>> has his "parent" frags growing great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty
>>>>> of light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

All sounds good except:

your brain bleaching and dying, and then your
montipora looking the same. Sounds like some low
levels of toxin in the water like coper. Coper would
not show up on a test kit as it would be too low for
any hobby test kit to catch.

What kind of water are you using?

Also try adding some milk of magnesium.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


B wrote on 3/12/2007 5:27 PM:
> Wayne that cracks me up. I do remember you asking me that "glass in the
> tank" question months ago but I never got back to you.
> I had two decorative Kahlua bottles that I was using for decoration. They
> have long since been removed as I needed the space for live rock and
> livestock.
>
> Fungia coral doing well, zoos look good and are multiplying well, trumpets
> multiply too fast it seems. -They split before they are finished with the
> previous split and the stalks aren't growing fast enough to give them room
> between each other. Red Lobo brain didn't make it. Right from the start it
> also turned to pink and was bony for months. One day I just gave up on
> it... or it gave up on me I should say. I just cut a ton of growth off my
> star polyps and gave some to the LFS. Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject
> one and two pop up. I'll probably "rent" a Berghia to help here.
> Everything seems to be fine or 'normal'. I'm getting tired of cleaning the
> green algae off the glass though. haha. I have trace phosphates and very
> little, indirect sunlight hitting the tank, definitely not over feeding.
> The halides are feeding the algae and I can't do much about it.
>
> Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably
> "rent" a Berghia to help here.
>
> B
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
>> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>>
>> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
>> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>>
>> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you other
>> Anthozoa doing?
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>>> Thanks Wayne,
>>>
>>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his corals
>>> are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>>
>>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys,
>>> etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>>
>>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness up.
>>> I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and phosphate
>>> tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further examine this
>>> problem, if it is one?
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely see
>>> the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the blue-green
>>> damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>>
>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>> ink.net...
>>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>>>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also
>>>> cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in the
>>>> water can also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals. And
>>>> other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it looked
>>>>> great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it started
>>>>> turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost white
>>>>> pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing really
>>>>> matches my situation. These have been pink for over a month, maybe even
>>>>> a couple of months. The store I bought it from has his "parent" frags
>>>>> growing great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>

[B]

thanks Wayne.

I'm afraid I started making my own water from.... <sigh> tap without RODI...
a long time back. Actually it was after the brain coral started changing
but maybe it didn't help. The water quality out here is very good and I
watched a fish store's tanks for a while that also made their water w/out
the RODI factor. I was afraid that my water may be a factor but then again,
I saw the brain turn before making my own water. Alas, maybe it would have
gotten better if I kept buying the RODI.

So I'll have to do a water change and test this. Thanks for the copper idea
and the help. I'll let you know the results.

B


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
link.net...
> All sounds good except:
>
> your brain bleaching and dying, and then your montipora looking the same.
> Sounds like some low levels of toxin in the water like coper. Coper would
> not show up on a test kit as it would be too low for any hobby test kit to
> catch.
>
> What kind of water are you using?
>
> Also try adding some milk of magnesium.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> B wrote on 3/12/2007 5:27 PM:
>> Wayne that cracks me up. I do remember you asking me that "glass in the
>> tank" question months ago but I never got back to you.
>> I had two decorative Kahlua bottles that I was using for decoration.
>> They have long since been removed as I needed the space for live rock and
>> livestock.
>>
>> Fungia coral doing well, zoos look good and are multiplying well,
>> trumpets multiply too fast it seems. -They split before they are
>> finished with the previous split and the stalks aren't growing fast
>> enough to give them room between each other. Red Lobo brain didn't make
>> it. Right from the start it also turned to pink and was bony for months.
>> One day I just gave up on it... or it gave up on me I should say. I just
>> cut a ton of growth off my star polyps and gave some to the LFS. Getting
>> an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably "rent" a
>> Berghia to help here. Everything seems to be fine or 'normal'. I'm
>> getting tired of cleaning the green algae off the glass though. haha. I
>> have trace phosphates and very little, indirect sunlight hitting the
>> tank, definitely not over feeding. The halides are feeding the algae and
>> I can't do much about it.
>>
>> Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably
>> "rent" a Berghia to help here.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> link.net...
>>> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
>>> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
>>> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>>>
>>> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you
>>> other Anthozoa doing?
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>>>> Thanks Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>>>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his
>>>> corals are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>>>
>>>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys,
>>>> etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>>>
>>>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness
>>>> up. I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and
>>>> phosphate tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further
>>>> examine this problem, if it is one?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely
>>>> see the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the
>>>> blue-green damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>>>
>>>> -Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>>> ink.net...
>>>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>>>>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also
>>>>> cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in
>>>>> the water can also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals.
>>>>> And other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it
>>>>>> looked great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it
>>>>>> started turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost
>>>>>> white pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing
>>>>>> really matches my situation. These have been pink for over a month,
>>>>>> maybe even a couple of months. The store I bought it from has his
>>>>>> "parent" frags growing great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>>>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>

[Buddha Qwan]

It may be that I just missed it, but what is the temperature in your
tank? That could be a major factor in the bleaching. Are you sure it
was a digitata and not a Seriotopora sp. ? Any leather corals close
to it?

-Rob

[Wayne Sallee]

Also dose a little milk of magnesium, and see if
that helps. Just add enough to lightly cloud the
water. Do this every other day about 3 times.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


B wrote on 3/13/2007 1:13 AM:
> thanks Wayne.
>
> I'm afraid I started making my own water from.... <sigh> tap without RODI...
> a long time back. Actually it was after the brain coral started changing
> but maybe it didn't help. The water quality out here is very good and I
> watched a fish store's tanks for a while that also made their water w/out
> the RODI factor. I was afraid that my water may be a factor but then again,
> I saw the brain turn before making my own water. Alas, maybe it would have
> gotten better if I kept buying the RODI.
>
> So I'll have to do a water change and test this. Thanks for the copper idea
> and the help. I'll let you know the results.
>
> B
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> All sounds good except:
>>
>> your brain bleaching and dying, and then your montipora looking the same.
>> Sounds like some low levels of toxin in the water like coper. Coper would
>> not show up on a test kit as it would be too low for any hobby test kit to
>> catch.
>>
>> What kind of water are you using?
>>
>> Also try adding some milk of magnesium.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 5:27 PM:
>>> Wayne that cracks me up. I do remember you asking me that "glass in the
>>> tank" question months ago but I never got back to you.
>>> I had two decorative Kahlua bottles that I was using for decoration.
>>> They have long since been removed as I needed the space for live rock and
>>> livestock.
>>>
>>> Fungia coral doing well, zoos look good and are multiplying well,
>>> trumpets multiply too fast it seems. -They split before they are
>>> finished with the previous split and the stalks aren't growing fast
>>> enough to give them room between each other. Red Lobo brain didn't make
>>> it. Right from the start it also turned to pink and was bony for months.
>>> One day I just gave up on it... or it gave up on me I should say. I just
>>> cut a ton of growth off my star polyps and gave some to the LFS. Getting
>>> an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably "rent" a
>>> Berghia to help here. Everything seems to be fine or 'normal'. I'm
>>> getting tired of cleaning the green algae off the glass though. haha. I
>>> have trace phosphates and very little, indirect sunlight hitting the
>>> tank, definitely not over feeding. The halides are feeding the algae and
>>> I can't do much about it.
>>>
>>> Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably
>>> "rent" a Berghia to help here.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>> link.net...
>>>> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
>>>> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the picture.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
>>>> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>>>>
>>>> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you
>>>> other Anthozoa doing?
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>>>>> Thanks Wayne,
>>>>>
>>>>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>>>>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his
>>>>> corals are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star polpys,
>>>>> etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the digitata.
>>>>>
>>>>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness
>>>>> up. I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and
>>>>> phosphate tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further
>>>>> examine this problem, if it is one?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely
>>>>> see the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the
>>>>> blue-green damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>>>> ink.net...
>>>>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is the
>>>>>> lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>>>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can also
>>>>>> cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient levels in
>>>>>> the water can also make a change in lightness and darkness of corals.
>>>>>> And other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it
>>>>>>> looked great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it
>>>>>>> started turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say almost
>>>>>>> white pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but nothing
>>>>>>> really matches my situation. These have been pink for over a month,
>>>>>>> maybe even a couple of months. The store I bought it from has his
>>>>>>> "parent" frags growing great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty of
>>>>>>> light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B
>
>

[B]

Temps within range at all times. digitata is the name I was told by the
store and this guys knows his stuff. Looking at pics of the Seriotopora, I
wouldn't know the difference if he didn't tell me. I is only pink now, it
didn't start that way nor or the "parent" corals orange back at the store's
tank. No leathers near it. There is a little glass anemone getting close
but not able to touch it yet. I'll be working on that one this weekend.

B


"Buddha Qwan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> It may be that I just missed it, but what is the temperature in your
> tank? That could be a major factor in the bleaching. Are you sure it
> was a digitata and not a Seriotopora sp. ? Any leather corals close
> to it?
>
> -Rob
>

[Wayne Sallee]

"digitata" means finger. In other words its a
branching coral. The genus is montipora. So the
species is Montipora digitata. There are however a
lot of different types of montipora. Some, I think
are the same species of montipora. Corals growing in
different environments will grow differently and
this can make it look like a different species. but
anyway that's getting off topic :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


B wrote on 3/14/2007 6:10 PM:
> Temps within range at all times. digitata is the name I was told by the
> store and this guys knows his stuff.

[Wayne Sallee]

By the way montipora digitata is the most common
montipora sold. It's nice fast growing coral. It
works great for giving the fish something to swim in
and out of.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Wayne Sallee wrote on 3/14/2007 7:29 PM:
> "digitata" means finger. In other words its a branching coral. The genus
> is montipora. So the species is Montipora digitata. There are however a
> lot of different types of montipora. Some, I think are the same species
> of montipora. Corals growing in different environments will grow
> differently and this can make it look like a different species. but
> anyway that's getting off topic :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> B wrote on 3/14/2007 6:10 PM:
>> Temps within range at all times. digitata is the name I was told by
>> the store and this guys knows his stuff.

[Add Homonym]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> but
> anyway that's getting off topic :-)
>

That's half the usefull stuff here. Please continue to ramble on as much
as you like. It's usefull and interesting.

[B]

ok, I've gone through the MoM cycle. I'm not sure what the outcome should
be but, between that and going back to RO/DI, hopefully I'll see some color
come back.

I didn't do a water change, just started topping off with RO/DI again.

B


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Also dose a little milk of magnesium, and see if that helps. Just add
> enough to lightly cloud the water. Do this every other day about 3 times.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> B wrote on 3/13/2007 1:13 AM:
>> thanks Wayne.
>>
>> I'm afraid I started making my own water from.... <sigh> tap without
>> RODI... a long time back. Actually it was after the brain coral started
>> changing but maybe it didn't help. The water quality out here is very
>> good and I watched a fish store's tanks for a while that also made their
>> water w/out the RODI factor. I was afraid that my water may be a factor
>> but then again, I saw the brain turn before making my own water. Alas,
>> maybe it would have gotten better if I kept buying the RODI.
>>
>> So I'll have to do a water change and test this. Thanks for the copper
>> idea and the help. I'll let you know the results.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> link.net...
>>> All sounds good except:
>>>
>>> your brain bleaching and dying, and then your montipora looking the
>>> same. Sounds like some low levels of toxin in the water like coper.
>>> Coper would not show up on a test kit as it would be too low for any
>>> hobby test kit to catch.
>>>
>>> What kind of water are you using?
>>>
>>> Also try adding some milk of magnesium.
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 5:27 PM:
>>>> Wayne that cracks me up. I do remember you asking me that "glass in
>>>> the tank" question months ago but I never got back to you.
>>>> I had two decorative Kahlua bottles that I was using for decoration.
>>>> They have long since been removed as I needed the space for live rock
>>>> and livestock.
>>>>
>>>> Fungia coral doing well, zoos look good and are multiplying well,
>>>> trumpets multiply too fast it seems. -They split before they are
>>>> finished with the previous split and the stalks aren't growing fast
>>>> enough to give them room between each other. Red Lobo brain didn't
>>>> make it. Right from the start it also turned to pink and was bony for
>>>> months. One day I just gave up on it... or it gave up on me I should
>>>> say. I just cut a ton of growth off my star polyps and gave some to
>>>> the LFS. Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up.
>>>> I'll probably "rent" a Berghia to help here. Everything seems to be
>>>> fine or 'normal'. I'm getting tired of cleaning the green algae off
>>>> the glass though. haha. I have trace phosphates and very little,
>>>> indirect sunlight hitting the tank, definitely not over feeding. The
>>>> halides are feeding the algae and I can't do much about it.
>>>>
>>>> Getting an aiptasia problem. Inject one and two pop up. I'll probably
>>>> "rent" a Berghia to help here.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>>> link.net...
>>>>> You still have other corals besides the montipora. And star polyps are
>>>>> still in the Anthozoa class. Yea I can see the montipora in the
>>>>> picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see anything in there that would cause a problem.
>>>>> What's the reason again that you have that bottle in there?
>>>>>
>>>>> How are your other corals doing? Or maybe I should ask, how are you
>>>>> other Anthozoa doing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:43 PM:
>>>>>> Thanks Wayne,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My lighting equipment is the same as the store however the store's
>>>>>> lighting is probably about 4+ inchies higher off the water and his
>>>>>> corals are a couple of inches deeper in the tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is my first coral. I have other items like a torch, star
>>>>>> polpys, etc at the bottom of the tank but no corals like the
>>>>>> digitata.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All water tests seem fine except I do fight to keep my water hardness
>>>>>> up. I do the typical ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kh, calcium and
>>>>>> phosphate tests. Can you think of one I might check into to further
>>>>>> examine this problem, if it is one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/83106-fulltank.jpg -you can barely
>>>>>> see the red/orange digitata in the upper right (under one of the
>>>>>> blue-green damsels) back when it was its original color.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ink.net...
>>>>>>> Do you have other corals? If so what other corals do you have? Is
>>>>>>> the lighting brighter in your tank than the store's tank? Going to a
>>>>>>> brighter tank, can cause them to lighten their colors, and it can
>>>>>>> also cause them to darken their colors. Also different nutrient
>>>>>>> levels in the water can also make a change in lightness and darkness
>>>>>>> of corals. And other factors of water conditions can cause a change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mr No name* B wrote on 3/12/2007 1:55 AM:
>>>>>>>> I bought a orangish red digitata frag several months ago and it
>>>>>>>> looked great and grew fast for a long while. Over a month ago it
>>>>>>>> started turning pink and now it's very pink, I'm afraid to say
>>>>>>>> almost white pink. I've been reading about coral bleaching but
>>>>>>>> nothing really matches my situation. These have been pink for over
>>>>>>>> a month, maybe even a couple of months. The store I bought it from
>>>>>>>> has his "parent" frags growing great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any idea why this happens and what I can do? It's getting plenty
>>>>>>>> of light from my halides and actinics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B
>>