How long do I use the white spot medicine ?

[Alan Silver]

Hello,

I noticed some of the fish in one tank
(http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/) occasionally flicking themselves
against the rocks. I couldn't see any white spots, but as this is
usually a sign of a parasite, I didn't want to take any chances and
started treating with white spot medication.

The bottle says to use until all white spots have gone. Since I don't
have white spots in the first place, this doesn't tell me how long to
use it !! I can't really go on the flicking as it wasn't bad enough to
be able to tell.

FYI the medicine is "King British original formula WS3 white spot
treatment".

TIA

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[Alan Silver]

>I noticed some of the fish in one tank
>(http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/) occasionally flicking themselves
>against the rocks. I couldn't see any white spots, but as this is
>usually a sign of a parasite, I didn't want to take any chances and
>started treating with white spot medication.
>
>The bottle says to use until all white spots have gone. Since I don't
>have white spots in the first place, this doesn't tell me how long to
>use it !! I can't really go on the flicking as it wasn't bad enough to
>be able to tell.
>
>FYI the medicine is "King British original formula WS3 white spot
>treatment".

Anyone got an answer ?

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[RedForeman ©®]

|| Anyone got an answer ?
||
|| --
|| Alan Silver
|| PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

Sorry Alan, I don't have one... my biggest dilemma with your post is, you
treated with a medication, on an assumption, rather than evidence.... So
that in itself is why I'm staying away....

My first rule about medications... Identification, or illusions... Either I
see a problem, or there isn't one. If there is a sign, follow it, and fix
it. Find the med and dose it. Research it, follow it, and then clean up
after it.

If I can't see the problem, how can I treat for it? If I can't diagnose it,
I'm certainly not going to dose my tanks with medications for no reason...
which IMNSHO, is what you've done... therefore, I can offer no solution to a
problem that doesn't exist.... if you see evidence, show us...

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is that better??

[Alan Silver]

In message >, RedForeman ©®
> writes
>Sorry Alan, I don't have one... my biggest dilemma with your post is,
>you treated with a medication, on an assumption, rather than
>evidence.... So that in itself is why I'm staying away....

Well, it was more than an assumption, there was clear evidence of
*something* happening in the tank, I just wasn't sure what. I guessed
(perhaps wrongly) that it was some sort of parasite.

>My first rule about medications... Identification, or illusions...
>Either I see a problem, or there isn't one. If there is a sign, follow
>it, and fix it. Find the med and dose it. Research it, follow it, and
>then clean up after it.

There clearly was a problem. I saw a sign, and did what I thought right
to fix it. I am now at the stage of assuming that the problem is fixed
(as the fish seem calmer now) and will clean up when the last dosage has
run its course.

>If I can't see the problem, how can I treat for it? If I can't
>diagnose it, I'm certainly not going to dose my tanks with medications
>for no reason... which IMNSHO, is what you've done... therefore, I can
>offer no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.... if you see
>evidence, show us...

Thanx anyway. I hear your point, but respectfully disagree. I saw
evidence and acted on it. Judging by the fish now, I was right. I'm just
not sure when to stop the medication.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[RedForeman ©®]

|| Thanx anyway. I hear your point, but respectfully disagree. I saw
|| evidence and acted on it. Judging by the fish now, I was right. I'm
|| just not sure when to stop the medication.
||
|| --
|| Alan Silver
|| PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

Sure.. you're there, we're not... easy to disagree... hopefully, it's worked
itself out now and the worst thing to happen is you've got to use carbon to
get rid of the nasties... Good luck

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is that better??

[Alan Silver]

In message >, RedForeman ©®
> writes
>|| Thanx anyway. I hear your point, but respectfully disagree. I saw
>|| evidence and acted on it. Judging by the fish now, I was right. I'm
>|| just not sure when to stop the medication.
>
>Sure.. you're there, we're not... easy to disagree... hopefully, it's worked
>itself out now and the worst thing to happen is you've got to use carbon to
>get rid of the nasties... Good luck

Well, it looks like the problem has gone, so I'm going to leave it
another 48 hours (the recommended gap between doses) and then do a
succession of water changes.

I already have carbon in the filter (wasn't sure if I should have
removed it), so that will be removed after the water has been changed a
couple of times.

Thanx for the reply.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[Rick]

"Alan Silver" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, RedForeman ©®
> > writes
> >|| Thanx anyway. I hear your point, but respectfully disagree. I saw
> >|| evidence and acted on it. Judging by the fish now, I was right. I'm
> >|| just not sure when to stop the medication.
> >
> >Sure.. you're there, we're not... easy to disagree... hopefully, it's
worked
> >itself out now and the worst thing to happen is you've got to use carbon
to
> >get rid of the nasties... Good luck
>
> Well, it looks like the problem has gone, so I'm going to leave it
> another 48 hours (the recommended gap between doses) and then do a
> succession of water changes.
>
> I already have carbon in the filter (wasn't sure if I should have
> removed it), so that will be removed after the water has been changed a
> couple of times.
>
> Thanx for the reply.
>
> --
> Alan Silver
> PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


I would agree with Red. You don't mention what kind of fish these are. Many
fish will "flick" against plants or rocks to dislodge edible morsels of
algae or what ever is there and this is not an indication of disease. White
spot or Ich is clearly identifiable by the small white cysts and one
treatment with medication will not eradicate the problem. Flashing can also
indicate gill flukes or other problems however the bottom line is that it
has apparently cleared up.

Rick

[Alan Silver]

In message >, Rick
> writes
>I would agree with Red. You don't mention what kind of fish these are.

Nope, forgot. Sorry. I gave a link to the web site though ;-)

>Many fish will "flick" against plants or rocks to dislodge edible
>morsels of algae or what ever is there and this is not an indication of
>disease.

Didn't know that. Thanx for the info. It did look quite suspicious
though.

> White spot or Ich is clearly identifiable by the small white cysts and
>one treatment with medication will not eradicate the problem.

I did a course of treatment, one dose every 48 hours. Did four doses so
far. All seems clear, so I think I will stop.

> Flashing can also indicate gill flukes or other problems however the
>bottom line is that it has apparently cleared up.

Couldn't see anything like that, but that's not always a proof.

Thanx for the reply.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[Toni]

"Alan Silver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Well, it looks like the problem has gone, so I'm going to leave it
> another 48 hours (the recommended gap between doses) and then do a
> succession of water changes.
>


If it *was* ich the problem has certainly not gone.
When all those tomonts hatch and become freeswimming *then* you'll know what
ich really looks like!

I'd be spending some time here-
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml



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[Alan Silver]

>> Well, it looks like the problem has gone, so I'm going to leave it
>> another 48 hours (the recommended gap between doses) and then do a
>> succession of water changes.
>
>If it *was* ich the problem has certainly not gone.
>When all those tomonts hatch and become freeswimming *then* you'll know what
>ich really looks like!
>
>I'd be spending some time here-
>http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

Thanx for that.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[Rick]

"Toni" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Alan Silver" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Well, it looks like the problem has gone, so I'm going to leave it
> > another 48 hours (the recommended gap between doses) and then do a
> > succession of water changes.
> >
>
>
> If it *was* ich the problem has certainly not gone.
> When all those tomonts hatch and become freeswimming *then* you'll know
what
> ich really looks like!
>
> I'd be spending some time here-
> http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml
>
>
>
> --
> Toni
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/discus.htm
>
>

I disagree, Alan did 4 treatments, each treatment 48 hrs apart. Just about
perfect IMO.

Rick