Couple of Questions

[83LR]

40 gallon tank.
Had a couple fish in it.. lionhead and a shibunkin.
(pardon if my spellings are wrong, kinda new)

Added one of the black 'bubble-eyed', maybe a moor?
Again, forgive my lack of knowlege here)

Long story short, ich began to show, and tho I treated
as per instructions, the three fish died over a couple day
period. This leads to my two questions... How long should
I let the tank sit before adding fish again? It's still going as
normal, just no fish in it. And was that a 'bad' group to have
together? Should you not mix (for instance) ryukins, shibunkins,
lionheads, orandas, and comets? I assumed all the various
goldfish types were compatible.

Thanks to any who may care to reply.

[~Roy~]

4 to 6 weeks ought to be sufficient for the bug to die off without a
host to leach on. Goldies can all be kept together for the most
part. They are not savages.....Some of the more slower swimmers etc
though may have a harder time with a common comet when it comes to
feeding..............The black moors are pretty darn hardy as are
shubunkins. I do not fool with ryukins or lion heads or orandas, but
the one that can answer your questions the best would be Dr. Solo, she
is the goldfish guru. Especially on the three mentioned above......


On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:28:44 GMT, "83LR" >
wrote:

<<>>40 gallon tank.
<<>>Had a couple fish in it.. lionhead and a shibunkin.
<<>>(pardon if my spellings are wrong, kinda new)
<<>>
<<>>Added one of the black 'bubble-eyed', maybe a moor?
<<>>Again, forgive my lack of knowlege here)
<<>>
<<>>Long story short, ich began to show, and tho I treated
<<>>as per instructions, the three fish died over a couple day
<<>>period. This leads to my two questions... How long should
<<>>I let the tank sit before adding fish again? It's still going as
<<>>normal, just no fish in it. And was that a 'bad' group to have
<<>>together? Should you not mix (for instance) ryukins, shibunkins,
<<>>lionheads, orandas, and comets? I assumed all the various
<<>>goldfish types were compatible.
<<>>
<<>>Thanks to any who may care to reply.
<<>>



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[Shad~Roe]

Repost:

As the main "target victim" of Roy "Tristan" Hauer's constant personal
attacks and endless slander, I feel obliged to warn anyone posting here or
on RPM that the ~Roy~ posting here is the SAME ~Roy~ posting there and on
other aquarium groups. He also uses the name "Tristan" and he impersonates
people he "has it in for" posting smut and inane messages in their
names/nyms. Please be advised if you should you say something to him or
someone else on these groups, innocent as it may be that he takes exception
to, you are opening yourself to the worst verbal abuse and vicious slander
imaginable. He will follow you from one group to another to harass, slander
and degrade you - and trash the group. He will nym-shift to avoid
killfiles. It's truly the worst case of "Usenet Rage" I have seen since I
came online 11 years ago. It goes beyond trolling and into the realms of
insanity. No one, male or female is immune from this man's uncontrollable
rage - he's like a bomb, you never know what can set him off. No one
deserves to endure the abuse of this individual so I give you fair warning.

USE EXTREME CAUTION if you reply to any of his messages.

These are just a few examples of what you can expect from Mr. Hauer.
Remember, he can be your friend one minute and the next....... well, see
for yourselves. No one can justify what this person posts.

NOTE = X-RATED:

----- Original Message ----- 1
From: "Tristan" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Attn: all true rec.ponders -please post to
news.groups.proposals -from ron
>
> Hey Gail , suck my cock you whineing ****head! There how is that if
> you think I used provocative language, before, yo lied. Now yu have a
> ****ing reason to whine, bitch!
---------------------------------- 2
"~Roy~" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
wrote in message ...
> Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....whats
> a matter there fat ass you like the attention you got before and had
> to come back for more.......or do you plan to grab info and then slam
> the group again?
>
> -------
> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
..---------------------------------- 3
"Tristin" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
wrote in message ...
>
> That **** is easily circumvenbted there dip**** Your destined to be a
> dumbass all your life Wayne. There is a life besides selling dead pets
> and supporting trolls ya know!

------------------------------------ 4

"Dan Rather" > wrote in message
... a Roy "Tristan" Hauer
sock.
> Hey Ed Alston...do you also wear panties and a dress when you go by
> the name of Millie? I bet you do your wife and momma proud! You old
> cocksucker you!
>
> Now I am out of here, I do not have time to play with you jerkoffs
> that are just small potatoes, who will never amount to anything other
> than dog **** between the toes of Carol Gulley......
>
> I'll drop in from time to time just to keep things the way I left
> them! hahahahahaha ya ****ing looser, so don't get too comfy!
> You can reach -Ed Alston at

-------------------------------- 5
Roy" > wrote in message -- Roy "Tristan" Hauer
...

>><> Hey Ron, you can go **** yourself too....and then lick my ass, I could
>><> give a flying **** what yuou google up or google down, it matters not
>><> to me. I am not afraid to own up to anything I posted anywhere
>><>
>><>
>><> ==============================================
>><> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>><> "The original frugal ponder"

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[Reel McKoi]

"83LR" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
> 40 gallon tank.
> Had a couple fish in it.. lionhead and a shibunkin.
> (pardon if my spellings are wrong, kinda new)
>
> Added one of the black 'bubble-eyed', maybe a moor?
> Again, forgive my lack of knowlege here)
>
> Long story short, ich began to show, and tho I treated
> as per instructions, the three fish died over a couple day
> period.

You need to quarantine all new fish and treat them as if they were
diseased - as many are!

This leads to my two questions... How long should
> I let the tank sit before adding fish again?

I would wait 14 days. I would also use twice the dose recommend of the ick
medication since there are no fish in the tank.

It's still going as
> normal, just no fish in it. And was that a 'bad' group to have
> together?

No, all goldfish are ok with other goldfish except those that may be blind
such as the Celestials.

Should you not mix (for instance) ryukins, shibunkins,
> lionheads, orandas, and comets? I assumed all the various
> goldfish types were compatible.

They're all compatible. QUARANTINE all new fish in a separate tank.

>
> Thanks to any who may care to reply.
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
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[Gill Passman]

83LR wrote:
> 40 gallon tank.
> Had a couple fish in it.. lionhead and a shibunkin.
> (pardon if my spellings are wrong, kinda new)
>
> Added one of the black 'bubble-eyed', maybe a moor?
> Again, forgive my lack of knowlege here)
>
> Long story short, ich began to show, and tho I treated
> as per instructions, the three fish died over a couple day
> period. This leads to my two questions... How long should
> I let the tank sit before adding fish again? It's still going as
> normal, just no fish in it. And was that a 'bad' group to have
> together? Should you not mix (for instance) ryukins, shibunkins,
> lionheads, orandas, and comets? I assumed all the various
> goldfish types were compatible.
>
> Thanks to any who may care to reply.
>
>

http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/whitespot.htm

BTW without fish your tank will need to cycle again if you wait for the
parasite cycle to complete - and OK this article says a week but I would
leave it longer if you just want to let the tank sit empty....might be
best to tear it down and boil/bleach everything right now (aside from
your filter - try and keep some bacteria alive) if you have no
fish....it will get rid of the ich immediately.....you might have some
lurking in the filter but IIRC the most likely place is in the substrate
and water in the abscence of any fish....You might also try adding some
salt to the water and if possible raise the temperature - Ich doesn't
like salt and raising the temp increases the life cycle to a few
days....keep up the med doses.....doesn't matter if you go higher if you
have no fish but remember that you will need to clear the water of the
meds before you put any fish in - carbon and water changes being the way
to go....boiling and bleaching will do the same without you going out
and paying for the meds

Gill

[~Roy~]

Whats a matter Carol, you afraid someone is gonna find out about you
? YOu about a lunatic always paranoid and in fear folks will find out
your a kook so yo have to demean others toget the heat off your sorry
lowlife back huh? Your a loser plain and simple.....perhaps you need
to go ply your old trade and work the dark street corners of nashville
again.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:20:16 -0500, "Shad~Roe" >
wrote:

<<>>Repost:
<<>>
<<>>As the main "target victim" of Roy "Tristan" Hauer's constant personal
<<>>attacks and endless slander, I feel obliged to warn anyone posting here or
<<>>on RPM that the ~Roy~ posting here is the SAME ~Roy~ posting there and on
<<>>other aquarium groups. He also uses the name "Tristan" and he impersonates
<<>>people he "has it in for" posting smut and inane messages in their
<<>>names/nyms. Please be advised if you should you say something to him or
<<>>someone else on these groups, innocent as it may be that he takes exception
<<>>to, you are opening yourself to the worst verbal abuse and vicious slander
<<>>imaginable. He will follow you from one group to another to harass, slander
<<>>and degrade you - and trash the group. He will nym-shift to avoid
<<>>killfiles. It's truly the worst case of "Usenet Rage" I have seen since I
<<>>came online 11 years ago. It goes beyond trolling and into the realms of
<<>>insanity. No one, male or female is immune from this man's uncontrollable
<<>>rage - he's like a bomb, you never know what can set him off. No one
<<>>deserves to endure the abuse of this individual so I give you fair warning.
<<>>
<<>>USE EXTREME CAUTION if you reply to any of his messages.
<<>>
<<>>These are just a few examples of what you can expect from Mr. Hauer.
<<>>Remember, he can be your friend one minute and the next....... well, see
<<>>for yourselves. No one can justify what this person posts.
<<>>
<<>>NOTE = X-RATED:
<<>>
<<>>----- Original Message ----- 1
<<>>From: "Tristan" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
<<>>Newsgroups: rec.ponds
<<>>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM
<<>>Subject: Re: Attn: all true rec.ponders -please post to
<<>>news.groups.proposals -from ron
<<>>>
<<>>> Hey Gail , suck my cock you whineing ****head! There how is that if
<<>>> you think I used provocative language, before, yo lied. Now yu have a
<<>>> ****ing reason to whine, bitch!
<<>>---------------------------------- 2
<<>>"~Roy~" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
<<>> wrote in message ...
<<>>> Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....whats
<<>>> a matter there fat ass you like the attention you got before and had
<<>>> to come back for more.......or do you plan to grab info and then slam
<<>>> the group again?
<<>>>
<<>>> -------
<<>>> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
<<>>.---------------------------------- 3
<<>>"Tristin" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
<<>>wrote in message ...
<<>>>
<<>>> That **** is easily circumvenbted there dip**** Your destined to be a
<<>>> dumbass all your life Wayne. There is a life besides selling dead pets
<<>>> and supporting trolls ya know!
<<>>
<<>>------------------------------------ 4
<<>>
<<>>"Dan Rather" > wrote in message
... a Roy "Tristan" Hauer
<<>>sock.
<<>>> Hey Ed Alston...do you also wear panties and a dress when you go by
<<>>> the name of Millie? I bet you do your wife and momma proud! You old
<<>>> cocksucker you!
<<>>>
<<>>> Now I am out of here, I do not have time to play with you jerkoffs
<<>>> that are just small potatoes, who will never amount to anything other
<<>>> than dog **** between the toes of Carol Gulley......
<<>>>
<<>>> I'll drop in from time to time just to keep things the way I left
<<>>> them! hahahahahaha ya ****ing looser, so don't get too comfy!
<<>>> You can reach -Ed Alston at
<<>>
<<>>-------------------------------- 5
<<>>Roy" > wrote in message -- Roy "Tristan" Hauer
...
<<>>
<<>>>><> Hey Ron, you can go **** yourself too....and then lick my ass, I could
<<>>>><> give a flying **** what yuou google up or google down, it matters not
<<>>>><> to me. I am not afraid to own up to anything I posted anywhere
<<>>>><>
<<>>>><>
<<>>>><> ==============================================
<<>>>><> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
<<>>>><> "The original frugal ponder"
<<>>
<<>>More if you can stomach it.
<<>>
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/7v7dy
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/7qedv
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/cwsb8
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/beq9v
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<<>>http://tinyurl.com/bh2hc
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/bvlvt
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/7v7dy
<<>>http://tinyurl.com/88coj
<<>>
<<>>USE CAUTION when replying to this person.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Shad~Roe]

Are you afraid to face what you post when you're off your meds Roy? When
you're having another "episode?" Let people know what they're in for if
they reply to you. You not only have psychotic episodes over them, but
follow them from group to group posting your filth and hate as you are now
doing to Tara Legale. Here's one typical of what you post:

<<>>----- Original Message ----- 1
<<>>From: "Tristan" > Roy "Tristan" Hauer
<<>>Newsgroups: rec.ponds
<<>>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM
<<>>Subject: Re: Attn: all true rec.ponders -please post to
<<>>news.groups.proposals -from ron
<<>>>
<<>>> Hey Gail , suck my cock you whineing ****head! There how is that if
<<>>> you think I used provocative language, before, yo lied. Now yu have a
<<>>> ****ing reason to whine, bitch!

There are HUNDREDS of these sick depraved messages all posted by YOU! Had
people been warned about you they could have avoided you like the plague you
are.


"~Roy~" > wrote in message
...
> Whats a matter Carol, you afraid someone is gonna find out about you
> ? YOu about a lunatic always paranoid and in fear folks will find out
> your a kook so yo have to demean others toget the heat off your sorry
> lowlife back huh? Your a loser plain and simple.....perhaps you need
> to go ply your old trade and work the dark street corners of nashville
> again.
>
> <<>>More if you can stomach it.
> <<>>
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/7v7dy
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/7qedv
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/cwsb8
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/beq9v
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/7z7k7
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/aeyw2
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/beq9v
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/djx7k
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/b8dm5
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/8cjaa
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/d824w
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/bh2hc
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/bvlvt
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/7v7dy
> <<>>http://tinyurl.com/88coj
> <<>>
> <<>>USE CAUTION when replying to this person.

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a good rinse with peroxide and let it dry out completely.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/care/care.htm
read up on quarantine of new tank fish. It wasnt a bad group, it was a bad fish you
brought into the tank. read buying a new goldfish too.
Ingrid

"83LR" > wrote:

>40 gallon tank.
>Had a couple fish in it.. lionhead and a shibunkin.
>(pardon if my spellings are wrong, kinda new)
>
>Added one of the black 'bubble-eyed', maybe a moor?
>Again, forgive my lack of knowlege here)
>
>Long story short, ich began to show, and tho I treated
>as per instructions, the three fish died over a couple day
>period. This leads to my two questions... How long should
>I let the tank sit before adding fish again? It's still going as
>normal, just no fish in it. And was that a 'bad' group to have
>together? Should you not mix (for instance) ryukins, shibunkins,
>lionheads, orandas, and comets? I assumed all the various
>goldfish types were compatible.
>
>Thanks to any who may care to reply.
>



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Thanks to all !