Fish

[Haynes'ey]

A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has told the
other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.

Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a Goldfish and
a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:

1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
1 x Pleco 2 - 3"
2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"
2 x Weather Loach 3"

Would all these be ok in a tank together if I took them on and what sort of
sizes do each of them grow to please.

Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone through
the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78 would
this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have coped
ok?

Thanks for any advice for a newbie in advance.

--
Haynes'ey.

[NetMax]

"Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
...
> A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has told
the
> other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.
>
> Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a
Goldfish and
> a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:

A Comet is a type of Goldfish. Other types are Orandas, Ryukins,
Celestials, Pearlscales and the list goes on. Comets are not
particularly compatable with the others I listed. They are long thin
cylindrical and built for speed. I think that their final size falls
between 8 and 14", so they usually go into large aquariums or ponds.
Most feeder-fish (sold to feed turtles, snakes etc) are comets, and they
are generally not highly regarded. Some variants of the Comet are more
popular and in demand, such as fantail, butterfly and shebunkins (if I
remember my Goldfish lineages). They still need large tanks, but not
quite as large as their extra finage slows them down a lot. The other
Goldfish I listed are fancy types, short stubby and swim with a waddle.
They are better adapted to aquariums, as they need less swimming space.
Mixing them with Comets might get their fins nibbled on. Any of these
Goldfish benefit from lots of filtration, the guideline is triple the
filtration you would give tropical fish (Goldies are cold-water fish
while tropicals are warm-water fish). Note that Goldies tend to put
everything in their mouth, so you generally don't mix them with anything
they can try to swallow.

> 1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
> 1 x Pleco 2 - 3"

The common Pleco maxs out between 18" and 24" but in an aquarium most
stop or slow down at around 12" to 14" (though a foot long Pleco is still
a presence to deal with ;~). There are dwarf Plecos which get to about 4
to 4-1/2". http://www.planetcatfish.com/ilibrary/ will have more info on
Plecs than you will know what to do with. Getting a Pleco from a
neighbor is not neccesarily a good thing. They also have a heavy
presence (fish-poop) and will need to be fed a more speicalized diet
(algae wafers, zuchini etc) when it has eaten all your algae (which you
have none of anyways). Plecos are tropical but will tolerate the low
side of the temperature which you will probably keep your Goldies at.

> 2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"

The generic name doesn't provide much of a clue. It is probably a
Cyprinid. This site might help ID them
http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html . Also probably a
tropical fish, preferring warmer water. Most of the these loaches can
become problematic when larger, feeding off the slime coat of slow moving
fish (fancy Goldies). At 1-1/2", they won't cause you any trouble. You
will need to ID them better to figure out if they have any special
feeding requirements, but most are quite opportunistic (Plecos are also
quite opportunistic).

> 2 x Weather Loach 3"

Now the Dojo loach is a good match for Goldies. They like cooler water
and grow about a foot long iirc. They are bottom feeders and generally
do not disturb the Goldies, however, at 12", they need lots of room to
play and live.

> Would all these be ok in a tank together if I took them on and what
sort of
> sizes do each of them grow to please.

You would be seriously overstocked not long after adding a couple of
Goldies to a 40g with 2 Plecs, 2 Cyprinids and 2 Dojos.

> Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone
through
> the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78
would
> this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have
coped
> ok?

78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be very
comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even adapt
to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always a
concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.

> Thanks for any advice for a newbie in advance.

Standard newbie reading material:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html and
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html

If you take any fish from your neighbor (or even if you don't), get a bit
of mature filter media from him to put in your filter (keep it wet). It
will greatly simplify and accelerate your own tank's cycling.

cheers
--
www.NetMax.tk

> --
> Haynes'ey.
>
>

[Dick]

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:20:57 -0400, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>
>78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be very
>comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even adapt
>to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always a
>concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.

Netmax, I think you mispoke. Concern for summer or winter months is
the same if the tank temperature stays the same, right? So, why less
oxygen, summer or winter. Just maintain the 78F temperature all year
round. I keep air bubblers in my tanks. Not only does it look good,
but improves water mix by adding circulation to that of the power
filters water motion.

I gather the Dojos prefer lower temperature. One site indicates an
upper temperature of 77F. Sounds a bit iffy.

dick

[Haynes'ey]

--
Haynes'ey.
"NetMax" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has told
> the
> > other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.
> >
> > Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a
> Goldfish and
> > a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:
>
> A Comet is a type of Goldfish. Other types are Orandas, Ryukins,
> Celestials, Pearlscales and the list goes on. Comets are not
> particularly compatable with the others I listed. They are long thin
> cylindrical and built for speed. I think that their final size falls
> between 8 and 14", so they usually go into large aquariums or ponds.
> Most feeder-fish (sold to feed turtles, snakes etc) are comets, and they
> are generally not highly regarded. Some variants of the Comet are more
> popular and in demand, such as fantail, butterfly and shebunkins (if I
> remember my Goldfish lineages). They still need large tanks, but not
> quite as large as their extra finage slows them down a lot. The other
> Goldfish I listed are fancy types, short stubby and swim with a waddle.
> They are better adapted to aquariums, as they need less swimming space.
> Mixing them with Comets might get their fins nibbled on. Any of these
> Goldfish benefit from lots of filtration, the guideline is triple the
> filtration you would give tropical fish (Goldies are cold-water fish
> while tropicals are warm-water fish). Note that Goldies tend to put
> everything in their mouth, so you generally don't mix them with anything
> they can try to swallow.

The filtration I have is a Fluval 4 plus do you think this is up to the job
and should I add a airline?

>
> > 1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
> > 1 x Pleco 2 - 3"
>
> The common Pleco maxs out between 18" and 24" but in an aquarium most
> stop or slow down at around 12" to 14" (though a foot long Pleco is still
> a presence to deal with ;~). There are dwarf Plecos which get to about 4
> to 4-1/2". http://www.planetcatfish.com/ilibrary/ will have more info on
> Plecs than you will know what to do with. Getting a Pleco from a
> neighbor is not neccesarily a good thing. They also have a heavy
> presence (fish-poop) and will need to be fed a more speicalized diet
> (algae wafers, zuchini etc) when it has eaten all your algae (which you
> have none of anyways). Plecos are tropical but will tolerate the low
> side of the temperature which you will probably keep your Goldies at.

If I took them on with the intention to then pass on in the future would
this be viable or would I get attached and be looking for a huge tank, BTW I
went round to see them last night I saw the small one but the large one was
hiding and the sucker loach were going around like rockets I have since
found that they are Chinese algae eaters?

>
> > 2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"
>
> The generic name doesn't provide much of a clue. It is probably a
> Cyprinid. This site might help ID them
> http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html . Also probably a
> tropical fish, preferring warmer water. Most of the these loaches can
> become problematic when larger, feeding off the slime coat of slow moving
> fish (fancy Goldies). At 1-1/2", they won't cause you any trouble. You
> will need to ID them better to figure out if they have any special
> feeding requirements, but most are quite opportunistic (Plecos are also
> quite opportunistic).
>
> > 2 x Weather Loach 3"
>
> Now the Dojo loach is a good match for Goldies. They like cooler water
> and grow about a foot long iirc. They are bottom feeders and generally
> do not disturb the Goldies, however, at 12", they need lots of room to
> play and live.
>
> > Would all these be ok in a tank together if I took them on and what
> sort of
> > sizes do each of them grow to please.
>
> You would be seriously overstocked not long after adding a couple of
> Goldies to a 40g with 2 Plecs, 2 Cyprinids and 2 Dojos.

I thought the weather Loach looked nice,one was an albino and slightly
bigger

>
> > Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone
> through
> > the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78
> would
> > this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have
> coped
> > ok?
>
> 78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be very
> comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even adapt
> to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always a
> concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.
>
> > Thanks for any advice for a newbie in advance.
>
> Standard newbie reading material:
> http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html and
> http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
>
> If you take any fish from your neighbor (or even if you don't), get a bit
> of mature filter media from him to put in your filter (keep it wet). It
> will greatly simplify and accelerate your own tank's cycling.

I'll ask him about the media, meanwhile thanks for your advice again much
appreciated!

Haynes'ey

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Haynes'ey wrote:
>
> A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has told the
> other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.
>
> Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a Goldfish and
> a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:
>
> 1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
> 1 x Pleco 2 - 3"
> 2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"
> 2 x Weather Loach 3"
>

Pl*co's are a no no with Goldfish they grow HUGE and end up sucking on
goldfish's
slimecoats killing your goldies

[NetMax]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:20:57 -0400, "NetMax"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be
very
> >comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even
adapt
> >to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always
a
> >concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.
>
> Netmax, I think you mispoke. Concern for summer or winter months is
> the same if the tank temperature stays the same, right? So, why less
> oxygen, summer or winter. Just maintain the 78F temperature all year
> round. I keep air bubblers in my tanks. Not only does it look good,
> but improves water mix by adding circulation to that of the power
> filters water motion.

Unless I missed something, I got the from the OP, quote:
"Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone
through
the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78 would
this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have coped
ok?" unquote

Being in the UK, it is summer, and his tank jumped from 72F to 78F, so he
is affected by his summer months. With Goldies and Dojos, it's a
legitimate concern that the tank might get too warm. There is also the
effect of the change in temperature (which I think is less worrisome than
what it settles at).

> I gather the Dojos prefer lower temperature. One site indicates an
> upper temperature of 77F. Sounds a bit iffy.

The Dojos have probably not read the same web site ;~), so I think that
they would be fine in temporary increases in temperature. It happens in
nature too.

www.NetMax.tk

> dick
>
>

[NetMax]

"Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> --
> Haynes'ey.
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has
told
> > the
> > > other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.
> > >
> > > Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a
> > Goldfish and
> > > a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:
> >
> > A Comet is a type of Goldfish. Other types are Orandas, Ryukins,
> > Celestials, Pearlscales and the list goes on. Comets are not
> > particularly compatable with the others I listed. They are long thin
> > cylindrical and built for speed. I think that their final size falls
> > between 8 and 14", so they usually go into large aquariums or ponds.
> > Most feeder-fish (sold to feed turtles, snakes etc) are comets, and
they
> > are generally not highly regarded. Some variants of the Comet are
more
> > popular and in demand, such as fantail, butterfly and shebunkins (if
I
> > remember my Goldfish lineages). They still need large tanks, but not
> > quite as large as their extra finage slows them down a lot. The
other
> > Goldfish I listed are fancy types, short stubby and swim with a
waddle.
> > They are better adapted to aquariums, as they need less swimming
space.
> > Mixing them with Comets might get their fins nibbled on. Any of
these
> > Goldfish benefit from lots of filtration, the guideline is triple the
> > filtration you would give tropical fish (Goldies are cold-water fish
> > while tropicals are warm-water fish). Note that Goldies tend to put
> > everything in their mouth, so you generally don't mix them with
anything
> > they can try to swallow.
>
> The filtration I have is a Fluval 4 plus do you think this is up to the
job
> and should I add a airline?

I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding an
airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and would only
add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or something
similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of flow.
Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and keep
rotating them as you clean one of them).

> >
> > > 1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
> > > 1 x Pleco 2 - 3"
> >
> > The common Pleco maxs out between 18" and 24" but in an aquarium most
> > stop or slow down at around 12" to 14" (though a foot long Pleco is
still
> > a presence to deal with ;~). There are dwarf Plecos which get to
about 4
> > to 4-1/2". http://www.planetcatfish.com/ilibrary/ will have more
info on
> > Plecs than you will know what to do with. Getting a Pleco from a
> > neighbor is not neccesarily a good thing. They also have a heavy
> > presence (fish-poop) and will need to be fed a more speicalized diet
> > (algae wafers, zuchini etc) when it has eaten all your algae (which
you
> > have none of anyways). Plecos are tropical but will tolerate the low
> > side of the temperature which you will probably keep your Goldies at.
>
> If I took them on with the intention to then pass on in the future
would
> this be viable or would I get attached and be looking for a huge tank,
BTW I
> went round to see them last night I saw the small one but the large one
was
> hiding and the sucker loach were going around like rockets I have since
> found that they are Chinese algae eaters?

Your loaches (commonly called CAEs) are problematic when they are bigger,
and they grow to about 5 or 6 inches. For now they are ok. Whether this
choice of fish will push you towards a bigger tank is up to you. In some
ways, it's not so important what you start with, but that you are
successful and enjoy their presence. We outlive our fish, so getting new
fish is something we always do. Note that Goldfish can live to be 20, so
as choices go, they are more permanent than say your loaches.

> >
> > > 2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"
> >
> > The generic name doesn't provide much of a clue. It is probably a
> > Cyprinid. This site might help ID them
> > http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html . Also probably a
> > tropical fish, preferring warmer water. Most of the these loaches
can
> > become problematic when larger, feeding off the slime coat of slow
moving
> > fish (fancy Goldies). At 1-1/2", they won't cause you any trouble.
You
> > will need to ID them better to figure out if they have any special
> > feeding requirements, but most are quite opportunistic (Plecos are
also
> > quite opportunistic).
> >
> > > 2 x Weather Loach 3"
> >
> > Now the Dojo loach is a good match for Goldies. They like cooler
water
> > and grow about a foot long iirc. They are bottom feeders and
generally
> > do not disturb the Goldies, however, at 12", they need lots of room
to
> > play and live.
> >
> > > Would all these be ok in a tank together if I took them on and what
> > sort of
> > > sizes do each of them grow to please.
> >
> > You would be seriously overstocked not long after adding a couple of
> > Goldies to a 40g with 2 Plecs, 2 Cyprinids and 2 Dojos.
>
> I thought the weather Loach looked nice,one was an albino and slightly
> bigger

The Dojos are called Weather loaches because they seem to be an accurate
indicator of a change in the weather (they say that they probably react
to the change in barometric pressure). They can be quite domestic,
tolerating or even enjoying your handling. They are a very interesting
fish. You are setting yourself up for a significant bio-load though,
just so you know.
--
www.NetMax.tk


> >
> > > Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone
> > through
> > > the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78
> > would
> > > this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have
> > coped
> > > ok?
> >
> > 78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be
very
> > comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even
adapt
> > to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always
a
> > concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.
> >
> > > Thanks for any advice for a newbie in advance.
> >
> > Standard newbie reading material:
> > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html and
> > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
> >
> > If you take any fish from your neighbor (or even if you don't), get a
bit
> > of mature filter media from him to put in your filter (keep it wet).
It
> > will greatly simplify and accelerate your own tank's cycling.
>
> I'll ask him about the media, meanwhile thanks for your advice again
much
> appreciated!
>
> Haynes'ey
>
>

[Haynes'ey]

Thanks again for your feedback, I am learning a lot from older posts on this
newsgroup aswell so hopefully wont be too much of a pain.

I'll let you know what I decide to go with soon.

--
Haynes'ey.
"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Haynes'ey.
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > A neighbour on hearing that I have a new aquarium being set up has
> told
> > > the
> > > > other half that he has some fish that he is looking to home.
> > > >
> > > > Bearing in mind that I have a 40g tank and would like to have a
> > > Goldfish and
> > > > a Comet the fish he is offering are the following:
> > >
> > > A Comet is a type of Goldfish. Other types are Orandas, Ryukins,
> > > Celestials, Pearlscales and the list goes on. Comets are not
> > > particularly compatable with the others I listed. They are long thin
> > > cylindrical and built for speed. I think that their final size falls
> > > between 8 and 14", so they usually go into large aquariums or ponds.
> > > Most feeder-fish (sold to feed turtles, snakes etc) are comets, and
> they
> > > are generally not highly regarded. Some variants of the Comet are
> more
> > > popular and in demand, such as fantail, butterfly and shebunkins (if
> I
> > > remember my Goldfish lineages). They still need large tanks, but not
> > > quite as large as their extra finage slows them down a lot. The
> other
> > > Goldfish I listed are fancy types, short stubby and swim with a
> waddle.
> > > They are better adapted to aquariums, as they need less swimming
> space.
> > > Mixing them with Comets might get their fins nibbled on. Any of
> these
> > > Goldfish benefit from lots of filtration, the guideline is triple the
> > > filtration you would give tropical fish (Goldies are cold-water fish
> > > while tropicals are warm-water fish). Note that Goldies tend to put
> > > everything in their mouth, so you generally don't mix them with
> anything
> > > they can try to swallow.
> >
> > The filtration I have is a Fluval 4 plus do you think this is up to the
> job
> > and should I add a airline?
>
> I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding an
> airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and would only
> add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
> overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or something
> similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of flow.
> Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and keep
> rotating them as you clean one of them).
>
> > >
> > > > 1 x Pleco 4 - 5"
> > > > 1 x Pleco 2 - 3"
> > >
> > > The common Pleco maxs out between 18" and 24" but in an aquarium most
> > > stop or slow down at around 12" to 14" (though a foot long Pleco is
> still
> > > a presence to deal with ;~). There are dwarf Plecos which get to
> about 4
> > > to 4-1/2". http://www.planetcatfish.com/ilibrary/ will have more
> info on
> > > Plecs than you will know what to do with. Getting a Pleco from a
> > > neighbor is not neccesarily a good thing. They also have a heavy
> > > presence (fish-poop) and will need to be fed a more speicalized diet
> > > (algae wafers, zuchini etc) when it has eaten all your algae (which
> you
> > > have none of anyways). Plecos are tropical but will tolerate the low
> > > side of the temperature which you will probably keep your Goldies at.
> >
> > If I took them on with the intention to then pass on in the future
> would
> > this be viable or would I get attached and be looking for a huge tank,
> BTW I
> > went round to see them last night I saw the small one but the large one
> was
> > hiding and the sucker loach were going around like rockets I have since
> > found that they are Chinese algae eaters?
>
> Your loaches (commonly called CAEs) are problematic when they are bigger,
> and they grow to about 5 or 6 inches. For now they are ok. Whether this
> choice of fish will push you towards a bigger tank is up to you. In some
> ways, it's not so important what you start with, but that you are
> successful and enjoy their presence. We outlive our fish, so getting new
> fish is something we always do. Note that Goldfish can live to be 20, so
> as choices go, they are more permanent than say your loaches.
>
> > >
> > > > 2 x Sucker Loach 1.5"
> > >
> > > The generic name doesn't provide much of a clue. It is probably a
> > > Cyprinid. This site might help ID them
> > > http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html . Also probably a
> > > tropical fish, preferring warmer water. Most of the these loaches
> can
> > > become problematic when larger, feeding off the slime coat of slow
> moving
> > > fish (fancy Goldies). At 1-1/2", they won't cause you any trouble.
> You
> > > will need to ID them better to figure out if they have any special
> > > feeding requirements, but most are quite opportunistic (Plecos are
> also
> > > quite opportunistic).
> > >
> > > > 2 x Weather Loach 3"
> > >
> > > Now the Dojo loach is a good match for Goldies. They like cooler
> water
> > > and grow about a foot long iirc. They are bottom feeders and
> generally
> > > do not disturb the Goldies, however, at 12", they need lots of room
> to
> > > play and live.
> > >
> > > > Would all these be ok in a tank together if I took them on and what
> > > sort of
> > > > sizes do each of them grow to please.
> > >
> > > You would be seriously overstocked not long after adding a couple of
> > > Goldies to a 40g with 2 Plecs, 2 Cyprinids and 2 Dojos.
> >
> > I thought the weather Loach looked nice,one was an albino and slightly
> > bigger
>
> The Dojos are called Weather loaches because they seem to be an accurate
> indicator of a change in the weather (they say that they probably react
> to the change in barometric pressure). They can be quite domestic,
> tolerating or even enjoying your handling. They are a very interesting
> fish. You are setting yourself up for a significant bio-load though,
> just so you know.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>
> > >
> > > > Also in the last couple of days in the UK the temperature has gone
> > > through
> > > > the roof, I had the tank running at 72deg this has now jumped to 78
> > > would
> > > > this be a problem if I already had fish in there or would they have
> > > coped
> > > > ok?
> > >
> > > 78F is ok. If permanent, it would be too warm for the Dojos to be
> very
> > > comfortable, but they have a wide temperature range and might even
> adapt
> > > to it. As water gets warmer, it holds less oxygen, so this is always
> a
> > > concern in the summer months. You can't be overstocked.
> > >
> > > > Thanks for any advice for a newbie in advance.
> > >
> > > Standard newbie reading material:
> > > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin.html and
> > > http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
> > >
> > > If you take any fish from your neighbor (or even if you don't), get a
> bit
> > > of mature filter media from him to put in your filter (keep it wet).
> It
> > > will greatly simplify and accelerate your own tank's cycling.
> >
> > I'll ask him about the media, meanwhile thanks for your advice again
> much
> > appreciated!
> >
> > Haynes'ey
> >
> >
>
>

[Haynes'ey]

"NetMax" > wrote in message news:A38yc.47242

> I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding an
> airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and would only
> add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
> overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or something
> similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of flow.
> Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and keep
> rotating them as you clean one of them).

Thanks for your recommendation of the aquaclear 300, I was wondering could I
Instead put in another Fluval 4 plus as my neighbour has one that he hasn't
used and would sell it to me on the cheap?

Thanks again Netmax.

[NetMax]

"Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message news:A38yc.47242
>
> > I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding an
> > airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and would
only
> > add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
> > overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or something
> > similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of
flow.
> > Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and keep
> > rotating them as you clean one of them).
>
> Thanks for your recommendation of the aquaclear 300, I was wondering
could I
> Instead put in another Fluval 4 plus as my neighbour has one that he
hasn't
> used and would sell it to me on the cheap?
>
> Thanks again Netmax.


re: Fluval 4, go for it. Not quite as good (imo) as an AC300, but with
two Fluval 4s, you can alternate which one you clean (better preserving
the bacterial population). You will know when the fish have outgrown
these filters by how often you need to clean them, but you should be ok
for quite a while (unless you get a lot of algae and those plecos start
pooping ;~).
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Haynes'ey]

--
Haynes'ey.
"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message news:A38yc.47242
> >
> > > I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding an
> > > airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and would
> only
> > > add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
> > > overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or something
> > > similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of
> flow.
> > > Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and keep
> > > rotating them as you clean one of them).
> >
> > Thanks for your recommendation of the aquaclear 300, I was wondering
> could I
> > Instead put in another Fluval 4 plus as my neighbour has one that he
> hasn't
> > used and would sell it to me on the cheap?
> >
> > Thanks again Netmax.
>
>
> re: Fluval 4, go for it. Not quite as good (imo) as an AC300, but with
> two Fluval 4s, you can alternate which one you clean (better preserving
> the bacterial population). You will know when the fish have outgrown
> these filters by how often you need to clean them, but you should be ok
> for quite a while (unless you get a lot of algae and those plecos start
> pooping ;~).
> --
> www.NetMax.tk

Where do you suggest I position the second fluval for optimum performance
and where should I point the flow?

Sorry for another Thicko question!

Oh and I got some java fern for the tank.

Cheers,

Haynes'ey.

[NetMax]

"Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> --
> Haynes'ey.
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Haynes'ey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "NetMax" > wrote in message
news:A38yc.47242
> > >
> > > > I suspect that your Fluval 4+ will not be up to the job. Adding
an
> > > > airpump/airline/airstone won't do anything for filtration, and
would
> > only
> > > > add a bit of oxygen which would be appreciated if the tank was
> > > > overstocked. I'd be looking at adding a AquaClear 300 or
something
> > > > similar, a bit oversized on biological, good mechanical, lots of
> > flow.
> > > > Run it with double sponges which get serviced alternately (and
keep
> > > > rotating them as you clean one of them).
> > >
> > > Thanks for your recommendation of the aquaclear 300, I was
wondering
> > could I
> > > Instead put in another Fluval 4 plus as my neighbour has one that
he
> > hasn't
> > > used and would sell it to me on the cheap?
> > >
> > > Thanks again Netmax.
> >
> >
> > re: Fluval 4, go for it. Not quite as good (imo) as an AC300, but
with
> > two Fluval 4s, you can alternate which one you clean (better
preserving
> > the bacterial population). You will know when the fish have outgrown
> > these filters by how often you need to clean them, but you should be
ok
> > for quite a while (unless you get a lot of algae and those plecos
start
> > pooping ;~).
> > --
> > www.NetMax.tk
>
> Where do you suggest I position the second fluval for optimum
performance
> and where should I point the flow?
>
> Sorry for another Thicko question!

Flow dynamics is actually an advanced/intermediate class question ;~) I
could write a diatribe on the subject, but I think you could do your own
experimenting. Points of interest are, water stagnation (vertical vs
horizontal flow), re-oxygenation and CO2 dissipation (surface turbulence)
mechanical pickup power (depth), matching/balancing areas of turbulence
with areas of calm according to your fish types and internal layout (long
swimmers or tall gliding fish?), slope of gravel and flow of detritus.
Have fun :o)
--
www.NetMax.tk

> Oh and I got some java fern for the tank.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Haynes'ey.
>
>