Guppy Trouble - Worms?

[axeman chris]

I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box petstore. All
seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost one male to dropsy
(water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be fine). Now I have a 2 females
with what looks like a red thread protruding from their anal ports. It
isn't poop - it's too thin & this thread like thing also appears in
conjunction with poop. Any ideas what it might be and what can be done
about it? I checked out some sites for parasites, but didn't see anything
that was like this.

Jacqui

[axeman chris]

"axeman chris" > wrote in message
...
> I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box petstore. All
> seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost one male to dropsy
> (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be fine). Now I have a 2 females
> with what looks like a red thread protruding from their anal ports. It
> isn't poop - it's too thin & this thread like thing also appears in
> conjunction with poop. Any ideas what it might be and what can be done
> about it? I checked out some sites for parasites, but didn't see anything
> that was like this.
>
> Jacqui
>

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I did some more digging & it seems that
some of them have "Camallanus". The next question is can this be passed on
to my precious clown loaches? This is sooooo frustrating. I've had these
fish for about 3 weeks & they were quarantined before I introduced them to
the main tank. Any suggestions?

Jacqui
>

[Flying Squirrel]

"axeman chris" > wrote in message
...
>
> Sorry to reply to my own post, but I did some more digging & it seems that
> some of them have "Camallanus". The next question is can this be passed
on
> to my precious clown loaches? This is sooooo frustrating. I've had
these
> fish for about 3 weeks & they were quarantined before I introduced them to
> the main tank. Any suggestions?
>
> Jacqui

Do a google Usenet archives (in rec.aquaria.freshwater.*) search for the
parasite name. If memory serves, the medication most often recommended was
either Clout or Fluke Tabs. Based on reading and personal experience
(flukes, not worms), the 2nd appears to be relatively safe for bio filters
and plants. I don't know about the first. Good luck. I don't know why, but
having fish with parasites is almost as disturbing as having them oneself.

[RedForeman ©®]

|| "axeman chris" > wrote in message
||| I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box
||| petstore. All seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost
||| one male to dropsy (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be
||| fine). Now I have a 2 females with what looks like a red thread
||| protruding from their anal ports. It isn't poop - it's too thin &
||| this thread like thing also appears in conjunction with poop. Any
||| ideas what it might be and what can be done about it? I checked
||| out some sites for parasites, but didn't see anything that was like
||| this.
|||
||| Jacqui
|||
||
|| Sorry to reply to my own post, but I did some more digging & it
|| seems that some of them have "Camallanus". The next question is can
|| this be passed on to my precious clown loaches? This is sooooo
|| frustrating. I've had these fish for about 3 weeks & they were
|| quarantined before I introduced them to the main tank. Any
|| suggestions?
||
|| Jacqui

NetMax and I were discussing diseases and angels, discus, and guppies
popped in the conversation... It seems that the Singapore lines of guppies,
mixed with the florida guppies, has created a problem, (I could be
backwards) and the guppy world will likely take a good hit from this... I
had to give up on my gupps because I had a female come in with it, gave it
to all my gupps.... Most were put down to save them the agonizing death the
first few had....Dropsy conditions, pine coned, then croaked...

I had no luck with epsom salts, and fortunately no others have shown signs
of stress...

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is that better??

[axeman chris]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> || "axeman chris" > wrote in message
> ||| I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box
> ||| petstore. All seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost
> ||| one male to dropsy (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be
> ||| fine). Now I have a 2 females with what looks like a red thread
> ||| protruding from their anal ports. It isn't poop - it's too thin &
> ||| this thread like thing also appears in conjunction with poop. Any
> ||| ideas what it might be and what can be done about it? I checked
> ||| out some sites for parasites, but didn't see anything that was like
> ||| this.
> |||
> ||| Jacqui
> |||
> ||
> || Sorry to reply to my own post, but I did some more digging & it
> || seems that some of them have "Camallanus". The next question is can
> || this be passed on to my precious clown loaches? This is sooooo
> || frustrating. I've had these fish for about 3 weeks & they were
> || quarantined before I introduced them to the main tank. Any
> || suggestions?
> ||
> || Jacqui
>
> NetMax and I were discussing diseases and angels, discus, and guppies
> popped in the conversation... It seems that the Singapore lines of
guppies,
> mixed with the florida guppies, has created a problem, (I could be
> backwards) and the guppy world will likely take a good hit from this... I
> had to give up on my gupps because I had a female come in with it, gave it
> to all my gupps.... Most were put down to save them the agonizing death
the
> first few had....Dropsy conditions, pine coned, then croaked...
>
> I had no luck with epsom salts, and fortunately no others have shown signs
> of stress...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
> streetfighter!!! ==========================
> 2003 TRX450ES
> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> ==========================
> ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
>
>
> is that better??

I destroyed 2 females last night that had obvious worms showing. The others
are now all in a hospital tank & when I can get out tonight I will get some
meds & see what happens. I think this will be it for me with guppies too.
If these ones survive they can stay, but I'll buy no more for now. If
they're not dying from one thing, they're dying from another it seems. What
a shame - they are so beautiful & I had a gorgeous tank full of them when I
was a kid... really got me interested in fish in the first place. Fingers
crossed that the camallanus doesn't infect my clown loaches. They're my
real babies & I'd be just sick if anything happened to them.

Jacqui

[Rick]

"axeman chris" > wrote in message
...
> I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box petstore. All
> seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost one male to dropsy
> (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be fine). Now I have a 2 females
> with what looks like a red thread protruding from their anal ports. It
> isn't poop - it's too thin & this thread like thing also appears in
> conjunction with poop. Any ideas what it might be and what can be done
> about it? I checked out some sites for parasites, but didn't see anything
> that was like this.
>
> Jacqui
>
>

callamanus worms. In another post it is suggested that Clout or fluke tabs
might help which they will not. This is a live bearing internal parasite
that attaches itself to the intestinal wall of the fish. Unfortunately once
one fish has it then normally all fish get it. You need to treat the whole
tank with the appropriate medication. If you are in the U.S this should be
no problem . There are some fish related sites that sell medications at
highly inflated prices however check with your local vet for a pig/sheep or
horse deworming product. If you are in Canada you can get a product call
Safe Guard which is a horse dewormer. About 6 cc will treat a 75 gallon
tank, 3 treatments required every 3 days with a water change in between.
Turns the water completely milky at first and then slowly clears up over the
next two days. This is a dangerous worm and even using the correct product
that will kill the worms can still lead to the death of the fish as some
dead worms may not be passed through the fish, decomposing inside causing
death. You need to treat this ASAP. This worm is very common in pond raised
fish which is where most large LFS obtain their trade variety guppy, rainbow
fish and many others.

Rick

[axeman chris]

"Rick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "axeman chris" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box petstore.
All
> > seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost one male to dropsy
> > (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be fine). Now I have a 2
females
> > with what looks like a red thread protruding from their anal ports. It
> > isn't poop - it's too thin & this thread like thing also appears in
> > conjunction with poop. Any ideas what it might be and what can be done
> > about it? I checked out some sites for parasites, but didn't see
anything
> > that was like this.
> >
> > Jacqui
> >
> >
>
> callamanus worms. In another post it is suggested that Clout or fluke tabs
> might help which they will not. This is a live bearing internal parasite
> that attaches itself to the intestinal wall of the fish. Unfortunately
once
> one fish has it then normally all fish get it. You need to treat the whole
> tank with the appropriate medication. If you are in the U.S this should be
> no problem . There are some fish related sites that sell medications at
> highly inflated prices however check with your local vet for a pig/sheep
or
> horse deworming product. If you are in Canada you can get a product call
> Safe Guard which is a horse dewormer. About 6 cc will treat a 75 gallon
> tank, 3 treatments required every 3 days with a water change in between.
> Turns the water completely milky at first and then slowly clears up over
the
> next two days. This is a dangerous worm and even using the correct product
> that will kill the worms can still lead to the death of the fish as some
> dead worms may not be passed through the fish, decomposing inside causing
> death. You need to treat this ASAP. This worm is very common in pond
raised
> fish which is where most large LFS obtain their trade variety guppy,
rainbow
> fish and many others.
>
> Rick

Thanks Rick.

I'm in Canada, so I'll give my vet a call & see if I can get some Safeguard.
Can these worms be passed on to people too?

Jacqui
>
>

[Rick]

"axeman chris" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "axeman chris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I have recently acquired some guppies from a local big box petstore.
> All
> > > seemed to be going well until just recently. I lost one male to dropsy
> > > (water's all OK, other fish seem(ed) to be fine). Now I have a 2
> females
> > > with what looks like a red thread protruding from their anal ports.
It
> > > isn't poop - it's too thin & this thread like thing also appears in
> > > conjunction with poop. Any ideas what it might be and what can be
done
> > > about it? I checked out some sites for parasites, but didn't see
> anything
> > > that was like this.
> > >
> > > Jacqui
> > >
> > >
> >
> > callamanus worms. In another post it is suggested that Clout or fluke
tabs
> > might help which they will not. This is a live bearing internal parasite
> > that attaches itself to the intestinal wall of the fish. Unfortunately
> once
> > one fish has it then normally all fish get it. You need to treat the
whole
> > tank with the appropriate medication. If you are in the U.S this should
be
> > no problem . There are some fish related sites that sell medications at
> > highly inflated prices however check with your local vet for a pig/sheep
> or
> > horse deworming product. If you are in Canada you can get a product call
> > Safe Guard which is a horse dewormer. About 6 cc will treat a 75 gallon
> > tank, 3 treatments required every 3 days with a water change in between.
> > Turns the water completely milky at first and then slowly clears up over
> the
> > next two days. This is a dangerous worm and even using the correct
product
> > that will kill the worms can still lead to the death of the fish as some
> > dead worms may not be passed through the fish, decomposing inside
causing
> > death. You need to treat this ASAP. This worm is very common in pond
> raised
> > fish which is where most large LFS obtain their trade variety guppy,
> rainbow
> > fish and many others.
> >
> > Rick
>
> Thanks Rick.
>
> I'm in Canada, so I'll give my vet a call & see if I can get some
Safeguard.
> Can these worms be passed on to people too?
>
> Jacqui
> >
> >
>
I don't have a 100% answer for that question however I was once told that
the acidic contents of our intestines make it impossible for this worm to
survive inside humans. I live in Winnipeg and did a lot of research into
treating this problem as I too got some trade variety guppies from a LFS
that had it. Lost many fish before I finally got hold of a Vet that was also
a hobbyist. The problem in Canada is that the previous course of treatment
was a product called Levamisole or Trimanisole which was readily available
from a feed lot store and used to deworm cattle. It came in a liquid form
and you could squirt a few CC's into the tank and within a day or two all
signs of the worms are gone. It also boosted the immune system of the fish
increasing their appetite and allowing them to recover quickly. Now that
product is still available but in a powdered form which now has additives
which are harmful to the fish. My Vet found that Safeguard contains
Fenbendazole which is the equivalent of the Levamisole. You will likely not
be able to get this from a dog and cat vet , try to find a Vet that treats
horses . Previously callamanus was a death sentence however now with the
proper medication it is easily treated. The product is also very cheap in
comparison to LFS medications. I think 25 or 30 cc cost me $6.00 and a $5.00
dispensing fee. It is completely safe with the fish and will not harm your
biological filter. Don't give up on those guppies. Find another source
through an aquarium club or if you find nice ones at the LFS put them in
quarantine and add a few drops of Safe Guard and you will have no worm
problems.

Rick

[axeman chris]

> >
> I don't have a 100% answer for that question however I was once told that
> the acidic contents of our intestines make it impossible for this worm to
> survive inside humans. I live in Winnipeg and did a lot of research into
> treating this problem as I too got some trade variety guppies from a LFS
> that had it. Lost many fish before I finally got hold of a Vet that was
also
> a hobbyist. The problem in Canada is that the previous course of treatment
> was a product called Levamisole or Trimanisole which was readily available
> from a feed lot store and used to deworm cattle. It came in a liquid form
> and you could squirt a few CC's into the tank and within a day or two all
> signs of the worms are gone. It also boosted the immune system of the fish
> increasing their appetite and allowing them to recover quickly. Now that
> product is still available but in a powdered form which now has additives
> which are harmful to the fish. My Vet found that Safeguard contains
> Fenbendazole which is the equivalent of the Levamisole. You will likely
not
> be able to get this from a dog and cat vet , try to find a Vet that treats
> horses . Previously callamanus was a death sentence however now with the
> proper medication it is easily treated. The product is also very cheap in
> comparison to LFS medications. I think 25 or 30 cc cost me $6.00 and a
$5.00
> dispensing fee. It is completely safe with the fish and will not harm your
> biological filter. Don't give up on those guppies. Find another source
> through an aquarium club or if you find nice ones at the LFS put them in
> quarantine and add a few drops of Safe Guard and you will have no worm
> problems.
>
> Rick

Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe Guard, what
would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?

Jacqui

[Christy84065]

>
> Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe Guard, what
> would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
>
> Jacqui

My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?

[Rick]

"Christy84065" > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe Guard,
what
> > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
> >
> > Jacqui
>
> My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?

the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a little more
than one cc per 10 gallons.

Rick

[NetMax]

"Rick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Christy84065" > wrote in message
> om...
> > >
> > > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe
Guard,
> what
> > > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
> > >
> > > Jacqui
> >
> > My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?
>
> the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a little
more
> than one cc per 10 gallons.
>
> Rick


Some of the Big Als carry de-worming products which are often used with
Discus and wild-caught fish.

A previous discussion regarding mixing Singapore & domestic Guppies does
not apply as this was regarding viral & bacterial contagions. Camallanus
is a parasite which hits different places of origin. Medicated foods are
a good way to get rid of this, though most of the medication I see is for
the water column.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Rick]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Rick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Christy84065" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe
> Guard,
> > what
> > > > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
> > > >
> > > > Jacqui
> > >
> > > My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?
> >
> > the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a little
> more
> > than one cc per 10 gallons.
> >
> > Rick
>
>
> Some of the Big Als carry de-worming products which are often used with
> Discus and wild-caught fish.
>
> A previous discussion regarding mixing Singapore & domestic Guppies does
> not apply as this was regarding viral & bacterial contagions. Camallanus
> is a parasite which hits different places of origin. Medicated foods are
> a good way to get rid of this, though most of the medication I see is for
> the water column.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>


do you sell Medicated foods in your Store?. Anyone buying those foods should
make sure they check for an expiry date on the container as they have a
limited shelf life and most LFS will not carry them as they do not turn over
fast enough. Medicated foods will not help for callamanus according to my
Vet.

Rick

[NetMax]

"Rick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Rick" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Christy84065" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe
> > Guard,
> > > what
> > > > > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jacqui
> > > >
> > > > My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?
> > >
> > > the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a little
> > more
> > > than one cc per 10 gallons.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> >
> > Some of the Big Als carry de-worming products which are often used
with
> > Discus and wild-caught fish.
> >
> > A previous discussion regarding mixing Singapore & domestic Guppies
does
> > not apply as this was regarding viral & bacterial contagions.
Camallanus
> > is a parasite which hits different places of origin. Medicated foods
are
> > a good way to get rid of this, though most of the medication I see is
for
> > the water column.
> > --
> > www.NetMax.tk
> >
>
>
> do you sell Medicated foods in your Store?. Anyone buying those foods
should
> make sure they check for an expiry date on the container as they have a
> limited shelf life and most LFS will not carry them as they do not turn
over
> fast enough. Medicated foods will not help for callamanus according to
my
> Vet.
>
> Rick

Nope none available so I make my own, but only antibiotic, not
anti-parasitic. Refrigerated, it's good for a couple of months. For
internal parasites, garlic is often mentioned. Discus breeders put
garlic oil in the water as well (I'm not recommending garlic for
Camallanus). As it's an internal parasite, medicated foods should
provide a much better delivery system, but I can't give you dosage
details as I haven't had the 'pleasure' of tackling Callamanus yet. For
de-worming we used something like 'Paragon' (?), though it was over a
year ago, so I'm vague on what symptoms it treated. If you have a vet
with fish experience, you are very lucky. We will be coming to you for
advice soon :o)
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Rick]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Rick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Rick" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Christy84065" > wrote in message
> > > > om...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some Safe
> > > Guard,
> > > > what
> > > > > > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal. tank?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jacqui
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?
> > > >
> > > > the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a little
> > > more
> > > > than one cc per 10 gallons.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of the Big Als carry de-worming products which are often used
> with
> > > Discus and wild-caught fish.
> > >
> > > A previous discussion regarding mixing Singapore & domestic Guppies
> does
> > > not apply as this was regarding viral & bacterial contagions.
> Camallanus
> > > is a parasite which hits different places of origin. Medicated foods
> are
> > > a good way to get rid of this, though most of the medication I see is
> for
> > > the water column.
> > > --
> > > www.NetMax.tk
> > >
> >
> >
> > do you sell Medicated foods in your Store?. Anyone buying those foods
> should
> > make sure they check for an expiry date on the container as they have a
> > limited shelf life and most LFS will not carry them as they do not turn
> over
> > fast enough. Medicated foods will not help for callamanus according to
> my
> > Vet.
> >
> > Rick
>
> Nope none available so I make my own, but only antibiotic, not
> anti-parasitic. Refrigerated, it's good for a couple of months. For
> internal parasites, garlic is often mentioned. Discus breeders put
> garlic oil in the water as well (I'm not recommending garlic for
> Camallanus). As it's an internal parasite, medicated foods should
> provide a much better delivery system, but I can't give you dosage
> details as I haven't had the 'pleasure' of tackling Callamanus yet. For
> de-worming we used something like 'Paragon' (?), though it was over a
> year ago, so I'm vague on what symptoms it treated. If you have a vet
> with fish experience, you are very lucky. We will be coming to you for
> advice soon :o)
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>

I gotta tell you that this fellow was a gem to find. Having a mutual
interest in fish certainly helped as he was willing to do the necessary
research to help me out. Now if I can only get him to become a member of our
Aquarium Society in Winnipeg we will really be lucky.

Rick

[NetMax]

"Rick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Rick" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > "Rick" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Christy84065" > wrote in
message
> > > > > om...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for being so helpful Rick. Assuming I can get some
Safe
> > > > Guard,
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > would you consider to be an adquate dose for a 55 gal.
tank?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jacqui
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question is about a 10g tank, how much medication?
> > > > >
> > > > > the dose I was given for my tank was 6cc for 75 gallons so a
little
> > > > more
> > > > > than one cc per 10 gallons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some of the Big Als carry de-worming products which are often
used
> > with
> > > > Discus and wild-caught fish.
> > > >
> > > > A previous discussion regarding mixing Singapore & domestic
Guppies
> > does
> > > > not apply as this was regarding viral & bacterial contagions.
> > Camallanus
> > > > is a parasite which hits different places of origin. Medicated
foods
> > are
> > > > a good way to get rid of this, though most of the medication I
see is
> > for
> > > > the water column.
> > > > --
> > > > www.NetMax.tk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > do you sell Medicated foods in your Store?. Anyone buying those
foods
> > should
> > > make sure they check for an expiry date on the container as they
have a
> > > limited shelf life and most LFS will not carry them as they do not
turn
> > over
> > > fast enough. Medicated foods will not help for callamanus according
to
> > my
> > > Vet.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> > Nope none available so I make my own, but only antibiotic, not
> > anti-parasitic. Refrigerated, it's good for a couple of months. For
> > internal parasites, garlic is often mentioned. Discus breeders put
> > garlic oil in the water as well (I'm not recommending garlic for
> > Camallanus). As it's an internal parasite, medicated foods should
> > provide a much better delivery system, but I can't give you dosage
> > details as I haven't had the 'pleasure' of tackling Callamanus yet.
For
> > de-worming we used something like 'Paragon' (?), though it was over a
> > year ago, so I'm vague on what symptoms it treated. If you have a
vet
> > with fish experience, you are very lucky. We will be coming to you
for
> > advice soon :o)
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> >
> >
>
> I gotta tell you that this fellow was a gem to find. Having a mutual
> interest in fish certainly helped as he was willing to do the necessary
> research to help me out. Now if I can only get him to become a member
of our
> Aquarium Society in Winnipeg we will really be lucky.
>
> Rick


Honorary no-charge lifetime membership ;~). Float the idea with your
directors.
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