Suggestions For My GF?

[Angrie.woman]

My tank: established 20 years or so, with occasional moves. It's a 29
gal, with 1 GF (about 1.5 years old) 1 tetra, and 1 Raphael cat. (Yes,
I know the tropicals might suffer, but one tank is enough.)

We moved about two weeks ago. My tetra, who is insanely old, made the
trip fine. My GF isn't coping as well.

I'm confident that the transfer was made as well as could be expected. I
put them into a transfer container with old water, and left them there
for 3 days. Aerated the water, didn't feed them, and swapped out small
bits of water with their bucket's water with water from the new set up
constantly over the 3 day period.

The "new" water and the filter had the benefit of all my old "crud" - I
intentionally didn't clean much, so I'm sure new tank syndrome isn't the
issue. I've moved fish across the country and back sucessfully, and this
was only a couple of blocks.

My poor GF - when we first put him in the new tank he seemed fine, but
after a couple of days....he developed some red spots on the back of his
head, and where his front fins attach to his body. I wish I could get a
picture, but the glare from the glass makes it tough.

He used to runsh to the tank in hopes of a treat! Now he spooks and
darts frantically at motion, and spends quite a bit of time hiding under
things at the bottom.

He also has a bit of a tilt when he hovers - swim bladder maybe?

His appetite is fine, and right now he's picking at the rocks looking
perfectly normal. At any moment he might go back to hiding under the
driftwood though.

I fed him peas, and treated the tank with Coppersafe and am on day 4 of
5 of a Maracyn 2 regimine. Sometimes I think he's getting better, but
it doesn't last.

Anything else I should try? This is making me especially buggy, because
I see a flaw in the glass of my tank, so I need to move him to a new
tank before disaster strikes, but I'm afraid he won't survive the stress
of another move right now.

Thanks!

[swarvegorilla]

Sounds like ya did everything right,
that said without an ammonia/nitrite test it's hard to rule that out.
Even with the best care lots of microbes on gravel etc will die in a move.
The fact the largest (?) fish is going down makes me think it is a toxin.
So yea I know youv'e filled water with meds but I'd prob keep up the water
changes and see if that perks the goldy up.
Also check the equipment and make sure no damaged cords are leaking
electrical current into the water (can lead to erratic behaviour :)
The wound on the fin is prob just from the fish thrashing in the net,
actually a common one when moving.
good luck



"Angrie.woman" > wrote in message
...
> My tank: established 20 years or so, with occasional moves. It's a 29 gal,
> with 1 GF (about 1.5 years old) 1 tetra, and 1 Raphael cat. (Yes, I know
> the tropicals might suffer, but one tank is enough.)
>
> We moved about two weeks ago. My tetra, who is insanely old, made the trip
> fine. My GF isn't coping as well.
>
> I'm confident that the transfer was made as well as could be expected. I
> put them into a transfer container with old water, and left them there for
> 3 days. Aerated the water, didn't feed them, and swapped out small bits of
> water with their bucket's water with water from the new set up constantly
> over the 3 day period.
>
> The "new" water and the filter had the benefit of all my old "crud" - I
> intentionally didn't clean much, so I'm sure new tank syndrome isn't the
> issue. I've moved fish across the country and back sucessfully, and this
> was only a couple of blocks.
>
> My poor GF - when we first put him in the new tank he seemed fine, but
> after a couple of days....he developed some red spots on the back of his
> head, and where his front fins attach to his body. I wish I could get a
> picture, but the glare from the glass makes it tough.
>
> He used to runsh to the tank in hopes of a treat! Now he spooks and darts
> frantically at motion, and spends quite a bit of time hiding under things
> at the bottom.
>
> He also has a bit of a tilt when he hovers - swim bladder maybe?
>
> His appetite is fine, and right now he's picking at the rocks looking
> perfectly normal. At any moment he might go back to hiding under the
> driftwood though.
>
> I fed him peas, and treated the tank with Coppersafe and am on day 4 of 5
> of a Maracyn 2 regimine. Sometimes I think he's getting better, but it
> doesn't last.
>
> Anything else I should try? This is making me especially buggy, because I
> see a flaw in the glass of my tank, so I need to move him to a new tank
> before disaster strikes, but I'm afraid he won't survive the stress of
> another move right now.
>
> Thanks!

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there are two dips that get almost all cooties, salt dip for 30 seconds and a
peroxide dip for 10 seconds.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/disease.htm#treatments

the coppersafe is harsh and the maracyn worthless. start changing water and find out
what the pH is. could be a pH change and the water is more acidic. if this is city
water could be they got all kinds of additives in there. worse, it could be soft
water and there is no buffer. gotta get RO right for that.

get some wet pack or freeze dried krill and daphnia and feed tiny amounts. the water
in my pond (which is usually pea soup with "fish food") is frighteningly clear since
I feed krill and daphnia this spring to my koi. the ammonia is 0.

you did everything right, altho usually I recommend no feeding for 3 days before a
move and not for a couple days after. look at the gills, if they are bright cherry
red then the fish should do fine. if they are dark, polyaqua has a nice additive
soothes gills and then you need some serious aeration in there.

a GF that gets chilled can come down with cooties. it happens during moves
sometimes.

it is not good to add "new water" to closed containers but I dont think you did that.

Ingrid


"Angrie.woman" > wrote:
>My tank: established 20 years or so, with occasional moves. It's a 29
>gal, with 1 GF (about 1.5 years old) 1 tetra, and 1 Raphael cat. (Yes,
>I know the tropicals might suffer, but one tank is enough.)
>
>We moved about two weeks ago. My tetra, who is insanely old, made the
>trip fine. My GF isn't coping as well.
>
>I'm confident that the transfer was made as well as could be expected. I
>put them into a transfer container with old water, and left them there
>for 3 days. Aerated the water, didn't feed them, and swapped out small
>bits of water with their bucket's water with water from the new set up
>constantly over the 3 day period.
>
>The "new" water and the filter had the benefit of all my old "crud" - I
>intentionally didn't clean much, so I'm sure new tank syndrome isn't the
>issue. I've moved fish across the country and back sucessfully, and this
>was only a couple of blocks.
>
>My poor GF - when we first put him in the new tank he seemed fine, but
>after a couple of days....he developed some red spots on the back of his
>head, and where his front fins attach to his body. I wish I could get a
>picture, but the glare from the glass makes it tough.
>
>He used to runsh to the tank in hopes of a treat! Now he spooks and
>darts frantically at motion, and spends quite a bit of time hiding under
>things at the bottom.
>
>He also has a bit of a tilt when he hovers - swim bladder maybe?
>
>His appetite is fine, and right now he's picking at the rocks looking
>perfectly normal. At any moment he might go back to hiding under the
>driftwood though.
>
>I fed him peas, and treated the tank with Coppersafe and am on day 4 of
>5 of a Maracyn 2 regimine. Sometimes I think he's getting better, but
>it doesn't last.
>
>Anything else I should try? This is making me especially buggy, because
>I see a flaw in the glass of my tank, so I need to move him to a new
>tank before disaster strikes, but I'm afraid he won't survive the stress
>of another move right now.
>
>Thanks!



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[Edward]

I myself am a firm believer in small daily water changes when I have a
problem, maybe 5 gallons daily for 1 week

[Angrie.woman]

Thanks to all 3 of you for the suggestions.

Not sure what you mean about adding new water to closed containers. I
didn't top them off, but I did swap water with the new tank water slowly
so the water would be essentially the same when I moved them.

I actually didn't feed them for a day or so before we moved.

This house is in the same neighborhood as my old one - same city water
supply. No softeners.

When we moved to the old house I did a complete chemistry work up, but
didn't bother this time, because I figured it was the same water.

You feed your pond fish? Heh - mine always ate..bugs I guess! I miss my
pond. :(

Thanks again! I think I might try the salt dip. Poor little fella - I
hope I don't shock hom to death.



wrote:
> there are two dips that get almost all cooties, salt dip for 30 seconds and a
> peroxide dip for 10 seconds.
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/disease.htm#treatments
>
> the coppersafe is harsh and the maracyn worthless. start changing water and find out
> what the pH is. could be a pH change and the water is more acidic. if this is city
> water could be they got all kinds of additives in there. worse, it could be soft
> water and there is no buffer. gotta get RO right for that.
>
> get some wet pack or freeze dried krill and daphnia and feed tiny amounts. the water
> in my pond (which is usually pea soup with "fish food") is frighteningly clear since
> I feed krill and daphnia this spring to my koi. the ammonia is 0.
>
> you did everything right, altho usually I recommend no feeding for 3 days before a
> move and not for a couple days after. look at the gills, if they are bright cherry
> red then the fish should do fine. if they are dark, polyaqua has a nice additive
> soothes gills and then you need some serious aeration in there.
>
> a GF that gets chilled can come down with cooties. it happens during moves
> sometimes.
>
> it is not good to add "new water" to closed containers but I dont think you did that.
>
> Ingrid
>
>
> "Angrie.woman" > wrote:
>> My tank: established 20 years or so, with occasional moves. It's a 29
>> gal, with 1 GF (about 1.5 years old) 1 tetra, and 1 Raphael cat. (Yes,
>> I know the tropicals might suffer, but one tank is enough.)
>>
>> We moved about two weeks ago. My tetra, who is insanely old, made the
>> trip fine. My GF isn't coping as well.
>>
>> I'm confident that the transfer was made as well as could be expected. I
>> put them into a transfer container with old water, and left them there
>> for 3 days. Aerated the water, didn't feed them, and swapped out small
>> bits of water with their bucket's water with water from the new set up
>> constantly over the 3 day period.
>>
>> The "new" water and the filter had the benefit of all my old "crud" - I
>> intentionally didn't clean much, so I'm sure new tank syndrome isn't the
>> issue. I've moved fish across the country and back sucessfully, and this
>> was only a couple of blocks.
>>
>> My poor GF - when we first put him in the new tank he seemed fine, but
>> after a couple of days....he developed some red spots on the back of his
>> head, and where his front fins attach to his body. I wish I could get a
>> picture, but the glare from the glass makes it tough.
>>
>> He used to runsh to the tank in hopes of a treat! Now he spooks and
>> darts frantically at motion, and spends quite a bit of time hiding under
>> things at the bottom.
>>
>> He also has a bit of a tilt when he hovers - swim bladder maybe?
>>
>> His appetite is fine, and right now he's picking at the rocks looking
>> perfectly normal. At any moment he might go back to hiding under the
>> driftwood though.
>>
>> I fed him peas, and treated the tank with Coppersafe and am on day 4 of
>> 5 of a Maracyn 2 regimine. Sometimes I think he's getting better, but
>> it doesn't last.
>>
>> Anything else I should try? This is making me especially buggy, because
>> I see a flaw in the glass of my tank, so I need to move him to a new
>> tank before disaster strikes, but I'm afraid he won't survive the stress
>> of another move right now.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
>
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When fish are in a closed bag they produce wastes.
Oxygen is converted to CO2
CO2 is soluble in the water, making the water acidic.
Ammonia wastes of fish make the water alkaline.
The two sorta balance, the more acidic the less toxic the ammonia.
When the bag is opened the CO2 is degassed from the water and the pH climbs and the
ammonia in the water becomes more toxic to the gills of the fish.
A bag should not be opened and the fish left in the bag, they need to be moved
IMMEDIATELY. preferably to a salt dip and then into tank or pond.

There are also other wastes in the water. When fresh (out of the tap) or tank water
is added a chemical reaction of some kind goes on that is toxic. So not only should
bags be kept closed until the fish are ready to be moved but no water should be put
into the bags they are in. adding water to the water IN the bag makes that water
even more toxic to the fish.

"Angrie.woman" > wrote:
>Not sure what you mean about adding new water to closed containers. I
>didn't top them off, but I did swap water with the new tank water slowly
>so the water would be essentially the same when I moved them.



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