lining a whiskey barrel

[zxcvbob]

If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
assume it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells
up. I want to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a
commercial barrel liner. Thanks.

Bob

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I assume
> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I want
> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial barrel
> liner. Thanks.
>
> Bob


It'll work until it doesn't, and that moment cannot be predicted. But, since
you say you're cheap, you have alternative.

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
> assume it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells
> up. I want to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a
> commercial barrel liner. Thanks.
>
> Bob

Buy half-barrel. Turn it over so that the closed end is in the air. Use
flat ended tool like a file to hammer hoops down tight. Set hoops in
place with short nails. Turn half-barrel over, open end up. Splash
interior and fill with water. Half barrel will leak. Re-fill as needed.
Repeat for 4-5 days or until leaking stops. If leaks are small, insert
wooden tooth pick into crack and hammer in. If leak is large, get a
liner.

Good luck.

- Bill

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[jangchub]

On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:33:08 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
>assume it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells
>up. I want to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a
>commercial barrel liner. Thanks.
>
>Bob

I had a half wiskey barrel now for five years and it swells and does
not leak at all. This year I have two ponds for my lotus and
waterlillies so I have the wiskey barrel used for a nice container
planting using phormium, variegated vinca minor, esperanza and
variegated morning glories. I'll take photos when it's filled in.

[Pondmeister]

Just be very chosey when you pick out the barrel half. snug up hoops
and fill with water., may leak for a day or two but it will eventually
stop. I have three halfs so far that hold water as good as a liner
does..We put aquatic flowers in them the first year or two as the
smell was a bit hard to try and remove, but now they also hold fish
without a problem.

On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:33:08 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

<<>>If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
<<>>mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
<<>>assume it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells
<<>>up. I want to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a
<<>>commercial barrel liner. Thanks.
<<>>
<<>>Bob



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Manelli Family[_2_]]

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I assume
> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I want
> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial barrel
> liner. Thanks.
>
> Bob

Buy a cheap shower curtain liner at WalMart. They cost less than $4. Line
barrel and cut of excess. They're heavy enough to last several years, if not
longer.

[Persephone]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
wrote:

>
>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I assume
>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I want
>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial barrel
>> liner. Thanks.
>>
>> Bob
>
>Buy a cheap shower curtain liner at WalMart.

Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
jobs.

Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
economy.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/

Persephone

They cost less than $4. Line
>barrel and cut of excess. They're heavy enough to last several years, if not
>longer.

[Manelli Family[_2_]]

<Persephone> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
>>> assume
>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I
>>> want
>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
>>> barrel
>>> liner. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>>Buy a cheap shower curtain liner at WalMart.
>
> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
> jobs.
>
> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
> economy.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>
> Persephone
>
> They cost less than $4. Line
>>barrel and cut of excess. They're heavy enough to last several years, if
>>not
>>longer.
>

Not eveyone has acess to a Costco. Everyone has a WalMart. Yes, I agree,
they're pretty bad but you can find anything there for less than anywhere
else. For those of us who are retired or making a low income, they're the
place to shop.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Manelli Family" > wrote in message
...
>
> <Persephone> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
>>>> assume
>>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I
>>>> want
>>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
>>>> barrel
>>>> liner. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>>Buy a cheap shower curtain liner at WalMart.
>>
>> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
>> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
>> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
>> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
>> jobs.
>>
>> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
>> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
>> economy.
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>>
>> Persephone
>>
>> They cost less than $4. Line
>>>barrel and cut of excess. They're heavy enough to last several years, if
>>>not
>>>longer.
>>
>
> Not eveyone has acess to a Costco. Everyone has a WalMart. Yes, I agree,
> they're pretty bad but you can find anything there for less than anywhere
> else. For those of us who are retired or making a low income, they're the
> place to shop.
>
>

The problem is that people believe what you just said is true for
everything. Here (Rochester NY), their groceries are NOT cheaper than at the
two real supermarkets. True believers have a hard time with this.

[jangchub]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:37:02 -0700, Persephone wrote:

>Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
>human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
>care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
>they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
>jobs.

I assure you Costco buys merchandise from China where they pay 20
cents an hour.

>Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
>aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
>economy.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>
>Persephone

Netflix, if you belong, has a great documentary called:

Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price

I highly recommend it. Netflix will give a two week free trial to
anyone who wants to try it.

[jangchub]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:14:03 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:


>The problem is that people believe what you just said is true for
>everything. Here (Rochester NY), their groceries are NOT cheaper than at the
>two real supermarkets. True believers have a hard time with this.
>

Actually, that's the ignorance of the consumer, not the fault of
Walmart prices. People are very lazy and they don't know what the
relative prices for merchandise actually are.

I've gone into Macy's or Dillards at the end of a season and bought
beautiful linen shirts, pants, 400 thread count sheets, etc. all very,
very inexpensively. Probably less than Walmart and twice the quality.
Even Kohl's is a good alternative to Walmart. I shop Walmart because
it's convenient. Nothing I do will ever change anything. All of
America has to rise up to put an end to Walmart and that is not about
to happen any time soon.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:14:03 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>The problem is that people believe what you just said is true for
>>everything. Here (Rochester NY), their groceries are NOT cheaper than at
>>the
>>two real supermarkets. True believers have a hard time with this.
>>
>
> Actually, that's the ignorance of the consumer, not the fault of
> Walmart prices. People are very lazy and they don't know what the
> relative prices for merchandise actually are.
>
> I've gone into Macy's or Dillards at the end of a season and bought
> beautiful linen shirts, pants, 400 thread count sheets, etc. all very,
> very inexpensively. Probably less than Walmart and twice the quality.
> Even Kohl's is a good alternative to Walmart. I shop Walmart because
> it's convenient. Nothing I do will ever change anything. All of
> America has to rise up to put an end to Walmart and that is not about
> to happen any time soon.

Pardon my French, but it's ****ing stupid is what it is. Twice a year, since
Wal Mart came to town, our local newspaper's been sending reporters into WM
and the two real stores with a grocery shopping list. WM has never EVER been
cheaper. The list totals out around $100. WM has never EVER been cheaper.
I've mentioned this to a couple of WM sheep in my family, and they say
"Duh...yeah whatever". To them $109.38 is a lower number than $97.23,
because WM told them so.

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Manelli Family" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > <Persephone> wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
> >>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
> >>>> assume
> >>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I
> >>>> want
> >>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
> >>>> barrel
> >>>> liner. Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob
> >>
> >> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
> >> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
> >> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
> >> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
> >> jobs.
> >>
> >> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
> >> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
> >> economy.
> >>
> >> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
> >>
> >> Persephone
> >
> > Not eveyone has acess to a Costco. Everyone has a WalMart. Yes, I agree,
> > they're pretty bad but you can find anything there for less than anywhere
> > else.
>
> The problem is that people believe what you just said is true for
> everything. Here (Rochester NY), their groceries are NOT cheaper than at the
> two real supermarkets. True believers have a hard time with this.

Bob, as I mentioned in an earlier post, tightening the hoops on the
barrels, while they are dry, will probably be sufficient to make the
barrels water tight. Once you have the tools, it takes about 5 min. When
the wood gets wet, which may take a few days, it swells and seals
itself. If that doesn't work, drop me a line or you can still buy a
liner from Myanmar if you want. What you don't pay at Walmart as a
consumer, you pay for as a tax payer.

Think globally, buy locally.

Persephone, your hot today girl.

- Bill

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[Pondmeister]

Shopping Wally World for food is a crap shoot. Its not uncommn for lts
of folks to place refridgerated grocery items in a cart play around
the store for an hour or two and then slip it back on a shelf
elsewhere and let the clerks find it, or go back and put t in the
refer sectin and let John Q. Public buy it.....It is very common
espeically where yu have a large influx of so called minority foks
around........or old folks.and yes even middle or upper class other
folks.......not saying it doe snot happen in other grocery stores but
its prevalent in Wally World for sure.........


-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> Actually, that's the ignorance of the consumer, not the fault of
> Walmart prices. People are very lazy and they don't know what the
> relative prices for merchandise actually are.

You are such a steaming pile. People are lucky if they have time to help
their kids with their homework much less learning to count threads for
material they can't afford. Poverty is built into the system so that
there will be cheap labor. "The Protestant Work Ethic" was designed to
suck the joy out of life and to blame the poor for their own misery.
Walmart has 300%-400% turnover in their employees so that they don't
have to pay benefits. Walmart was referring their staff to the local
emergency rooms for health care, where, of course, they pay more than
the insured. Here are people, who are willing to work and, the system
games them. It is obvious that you don't even have a nodding
relationship with humility or compassion. You are beneath contempt.

- Bill

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (not this time)

[zxcvbob]

Bill Rose wrote:
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Manelli Family" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> <Persephone> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>>>>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
>>>>>> assume
>>>>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
>>>>>> barrel
>>>>>> liner. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
>>>> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
>>>> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
>>>> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
>>>> jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
>>>> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
>>>> economy.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>>>>
>>>> Persephone

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! ;-)

>
> Bob, as I mentioned in an earlier post, tightening the hoops on the
> barrels, while they are dry, will probably be sufficient to make the
> barrels water tight. Once you have the tools, it takes about 5 min. When
> the wood gets wet, which may take a few days, it swells and seals
> itself. If that doesn't work, drop me a line or you can still buy a
> liner from Myanmar if you want. What you don't pay at Walmart as a
> consumer, you pay for as a tax payer.
>
> Think globally, buy locally.
>
> Persephone, your hot today girl.
>
> - Bill
>
> Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


I'm going to try tightening the hoops, just like you said. I need to
pick thru the barrels and make sure I buy one with a good bottom. If it
still leaks after a week, I have a big roll of 6 mil plastic already; I
don't need to buy a shower curtain liner from Walmart or anybody else.

Thanks,
Bob

[jangchub]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:27:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>Pardon my French, but it's ****ing stupid is what it is. Twice a year, since
>Wal Mart came to town, our local newspaper's been sending reporters into WM
>and the two real stores with a grocery shopping list. WM has never EVER been
>cheaper. The list totals out around $100. WM has never EVER been cheaper.
>I've mentioned this to a couple of WM sheep in my family, and they say
>"Duh...yeah whatever". To them $109.38 is a lower number than $97.23,
>because WM told them so.
>

"****" is French? :)

Hey, I'm on the same page as you. People are ignorant and they prefer
to be ignorant even though evidence proves them wrong. Uh, they voted
for Bush twice...or did they? Hmmmm. Don't get me on that subject of
the stolen/appointed president.

[jangchub]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:14:34 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:

>In article >,
> jangchub > wrote:
>
>> Actually, that's the ignorance of the consumer, not the fault of
>> Walmart prices. People are very lazy and they don't know what the
>> relative prices for merchandise actually are.
>
>You are such a steaming pile. People are lucky if they have time to help
>their kids with their homework much less learning to count threads for
>material they can't afford. Poverty is built into the system so that
>there will be cheap labor. "The Protestant Work Ethic" was designed to
>suck the joy out of life and to blame the poor for their own misery.
>Walmart has 300%-400% turnover in their employees so that they don't
>have to pay benefits. Walmart was referring their staff to the local
>emergency rooms for health care, where, of course, they pay more than
>the insured. Here are people, who are willing to work and, the system
>games them. It is obvious that you don't even have a nodding
>relationship with humility or compassion. You are beneath contempt.
>
>- Bill
>
>Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (not this time)

Bone up on your reading comprehension...or not.

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> Bill Rose wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Manelli Family" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> <Persephone> wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
> >>>>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
> >>>>>> assume
> >>>>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up. I
> >>>>>> want
> >>>>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
> >>>>>> barrel
> >>>>>> liner. Thanks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob
> >>>> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
> >>>> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
> >>>> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
> >>>> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
> >>>> jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
> >>>> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
> >>>> economy.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
> >>>>
> >>>> Persephone
>
> I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! ;-)
>
> >
> > Bob, as I mentioned in an earlier post, tightening the hoops on the
> > barrels, while they are dry, will probably be sufficient to make the
> > barrels water tight. Once you have the tools, it takes about 5 min. When
> > the wood gets wet, which may take a few days, it swells and seals
> > itself. If that doesn't work, drop me a line or you can still buy a
> > liner from Myanmar if you want. What you don't pay at Walmart as a
> > consumer, you pay for as a tax payer.
> >
> > Think globally, buy locally.
> >
> > Persephone, your hot today girl.
> >
> > - Bill
> >
> > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
>
> I'm going to try tightening the hoops, just like you said. I need to
> pick thru the barrels and make sure I buy one with a good bottom. If it
> still leaks after a week, I have a big roll of 6 mil plastic already; I
> don't need to buy a shower curtain liner from Walmart or anybody else.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

Let's talk before you spend any money. There is more than one way to . .
.. uh, hold the thought. If you run into problems, give us a call.

- Bill

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[Persephone]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:09:58 -0500, jangchub >
wrote:


[...]

>Nothing I do will ever change anything.

History is full of examples of one person doing something that
changed everything.

All of
>America has to rise up to put an end to Walmart and that is not about
>to happen any time soon.

[...]

Yeah, if they all think like you, right, it won't happen.

[Persephone]

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:06:06 -0500, jangchub >
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:37:02 -0700, Persephone wrote:
>
>>Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
>>human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
>>care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
>>they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
>>jobs.
>
>I assure you Costco buys merchandise from China where they pay 20
>cents an hour.

Of course they do; everything is made in China now. Partly due to the
effect of squeeze artists like Walmart that force American suppliers
who would LOVE to stay here and employ Americans --
to offshore just so they won't lose their contracts with Walmart.

We *were* talking about the way Costco pays and treats their employees
(well!) as opposed to Walmart's philosophy. And did we mention
sex discrimination and forcing employees to work extra hours without
compensation, and...and...
>
>>Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
>>aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
>>economy.
>>
>>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>>
>>Persephone
>
>Netflix, if you belong, has a great documentary called:
>
>Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price
>
>I highly recommend it. Netflix will give a two week free trial to
>anyone who wants to try it.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:27:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>Pardon my French, but it's ****ing stupid is what it is. Twice a year,
>>since
>>Wal Mart came to town, our local newspaper's been sending reporters into
>>WM
>>and the two real stores with a grocery shopping list. WM has never EVER
>>been
>>cheaper. The list totals out around $100. WM has never EVER been cheaper.
>>I've mentioned this to a couple of WM sheep in my family, and they say
>>"Duh...yeah whatever". To them $109.38 is a lower number than $97.23,
>>because WM told them so.
>>
>
> "****" is French? :)
>
> Hey, I'm on the same page as you. People are ignorant and they prefer
> to be ignorant even though evidence proves them wrong. Uh, they voted
> for Bush twice...or did they? Hmmmm. Don't get me on that subject of
> the stolen/appointed president.


It's simple math, ya know?

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "jangchub" >

Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "jangchub" >
>
> Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
> and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
>
> - Bill


What are you talking about???

[jangchub]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:05:52 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "jangchub" >
>
>Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
>and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
>
>- Bill
>Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

No, actually. I rarely if ever get rejected. I have a new computer
and my husband set up the fake name for good reasons. It does seem
you have a social problem in that you feel using a kill file is the
answer to your ineptitude to converse with other humans.

[jangchub]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:36:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>>> "jangchub" >
>>
>> Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
>> and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
>>
>> - Bill
>
>
>What are you talking about???
>

He's trying to belittle me for some reason. Hahahahahahahahaha. Like
that's easy to do. I guess I'm killed from his sight. Yavo!

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> "jangchub" >
> >
> > Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
> > and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
> >
> > - Bill
>
>
> What are you talking about???

You'd be amazed how often I get that JoeSpareBedroom. Sorry I had to
piggy-back off of your post but I went and "kill filed"
a.k.a. . Boy, I hate doing
re-work. There is enough stupid in the world already so, I try to trim
some of it out of my life. Last time around "it" was leaving the country
because of some radio commercial. This time "it" blames the victims for
shopping at Wally World because they hope to save a few dimes to pay for
electricity or fix the car before it dies. Not everyone knows about the
book "Fast Food Nation" or has the time to watch the DVD "The High Cost
of Low Price". Those of us that do, need to bang the pots and point out
how we are getting ripped-off. Do you (I know you know JoeSpareBedroom
but since I got the soapbox, I might as well preachify a little.) really
want to wear Nikes, when you know the person making them got a couple of
dollars a day, if they are lucky? Do you really want to raise the price
of food by chasing off the Mexicans? Some of whom came to their old
country because, welfare for agri-corporations in the US of A in 2005
totaled a staggering $21,057,000,000. Would you be surprised to know
that Mexican farmers have a hard to impossible time competing against
American grown corn? Harumph!

Anyway, I've had enough vain, arrogant, stupid to last me a life-time.
Jangchub goes in my "kill file". I got more important things to **** me
off.

Sorry for the misunderstanding JoeSpareBedroom. Your one of the
good-guys in my book.

I really got to talk to my doctor about my meds. Well, that's all from
ol' alligator mouth for now.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Affirmations for Personal Growth

1. As I let go of my feelings of guilt, I am in touch with my inner
sociopath.
2. I have the power to channel my imagination into ever-soaring levels
of suspicion and paranoia.
3. I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the ones that are
someone else's fault.
4. I no longer need to punish, deceive, or compromise myself, unless I
want to stay employed.
5. In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.
6. Having control over myself is almost as good as having control over
others.
7. My intuition nearly makes up for my lack of self-judgment.
8. I honor my personality flaws for without them I would have no
personality at all.
9. I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious,
self-righteous people around me.
10. I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper, and
complain.
11. As I learn the innermost secrets of people around me, they reward me
in many ways to keep me quiet.
12. When someone hurts me, I know that forgiveness is cheaper than a
lawsuit, but not nearly as gratifying.
13. The first step is to say nice things about myself. The second, to do
nice things for myself. The third, to find someone to buy me nice
things.
14. As I learn to trust the universe, I no longer need to carry a gun.
15. All of me is beautiful, even the ugly, stupid, and disgusting parts.
16. I am at one with my duality.
17. Blessed are the flexible, for they can tie themselves into knots.
18. Only a lack of imagination saves me from immobilizing myself with
imaginary fears.
19. I will strive to live each day as if it were my 50th birthday.
20. I honor and express all facets of my being, regardless of state and
local laws.
21. Today I will gladly share my experience and advice, for there are no
sweeter words than "I told you so!"
22. False hope is better than no hope at all.
23. A good scapegoat is almost as good as a solution.
24. Who can I blame for my problems? Just give me a minute.... I'll find
someone.
26. Why should I waste my time reliving the past when I can spend it
worrying about the future?
27. The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy
is working.
28. I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective as sabotage.
29. Becoming aware of my character defects leads me naturally to the
next step of blaming my parents.
30. To have a successful relationship I must learn to make it look like
I'm giving as much as I'm getting.
31. I am willing to make the mistakes if someone else is willing to
learn from them.
32. Before I criticize a man, I walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if
he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "jangchub" >
>> >
>> > Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
>> > and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
>> >
>> > - Bill
>>
>>
>> What are you talking about???
>
> You'd be amazed how often I get that JoeSpareBedroom. Sorry I had to
> piggy-back off of your post but I went and "kill filed"
> a.k.a. . Boy, I hate doing
> re-work. There is enough stupid in the world already so, I try to trim
> some of it out of my life. Last time around "it" was leaving the country
> because of some radio commercial. This time "it" blames the victims for
> shopping at Wally World because they hope to save a few dimes to pay for
> electricity or fix the car before it dies. Not everyone knows about the
> book "Fast Food Nation" or has the time to watch the DVD "The High Cost
> of Low Price". Those of us that do, need to bang the pots and point out
> how we are getting ripped-off. Do you (I know you know JoeSpareBedroom
> but since I got the soapbox, I might as well preachify a little.) really
> want to wear Nikes, when you know the person making them got a couple of
> dollars a day, if they are lucky? Do you really want to raise the price
> of food by chasing off the Mexicans? Some of whom came to their old
> country because, welfare for agri-corporations in the US of A in 2005
> totaled a staggering $21,057,000,000. Would you be surprised to know
> that Mexican farmers have a hard to impossible time competing against
> American grown corn? Harumph!

Keep your day job. A writer you're not.



> Anyway, I've had enough vain, arrogant, stupid to last me a life-time.
> Jangchub goes in my "kill file". I got more important things to **** me
> off.

I'm sure the killfile gives you immense feelings of power.


>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding JoeSpareBedroom. Your one of the
> good-guys in my book.

Not any more.


>
> I really got to talk to my doctor about my meds. Well, that's all from
> ol' alligator mouth for now.
> - Bill


I was just going to suggest that you check your meds.

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "jangchub" >
> >> >
> >> > Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
> >> > and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
> >> >
> >> > - Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> What are you talking about???
> >
> > You'd be amazed how often I get that JoeSpareBedroom. Sorry I had to
> > piggy-back off of your post but I went and "kill filed"
> > a.k.a. . Boy, I hate doing
> > re-work. There is enough stupid in the world already so, I try to trim
> > some of it out of my life. Last time around "it" was leaving the country
> > because of some radio commercial. This time "it" blames the victims for
> > shopping at Wally World because they hope to save a few dimes to pay for
> > electricity or fix the car before it dies. Not everyone knows about the
> > book "Fast Food Nation" or has the time to watch the DVD "The High Cost
> > of Low Price". Those of us that do, need to bang the pots and point out
> > how we are getting ripped-off. Do you (I know you know JoeSpareBedroom
> > but since I got the soapbox, I might as well preachify a little.) really
> > want to wear Nikes, when you know the person making them got a couple of
> > dollars a day, if they are lucky? Do you really want to raise the price
> > of food by chasing off the Mexicans? Some of whom came to their old
> > country because, welfare for agri-corporations in the US of A in 2005
> > totaled a staggering $21,057,000,000. Would you be surprised to know
> > that Mexican farmers have a hard to impossible time competing against
> > American grown corn? Harumph!
>
> Keep your day job. A writer you're not.
>
And what brings you to this epiphany? I'm just banging on a pot. A
little CONSTRUCTIVE criticism never hurt. Don't be so terse.
>
> > Anyway, I've had enough vain, arrogant, stupid to last me a life-time.
> > Jangchub goes in my "kill file". I got more important things to **** me
> > off.
>
> I'm sure the killfile gives you immense feelings of power.
>
No feeling of power. I'm just tired of the barking so, I'll shut the
window.
> >
> > Sorry for the misunderstanding JoeSpareBedroom. Your one of the
> > good-guys in my book.
>
> Not any more.
Sorry Joe, I'm not that fickle. You're stuck with me liking you.
>
> >
> > I really got to talk to my doctor about my meds. Well, that's all from
> > ol' alligator mouth for now.
> > - Bill
>
>
> I was just going to suggest that you check your meds.

Gotta' work on your sense of humor boy. You're to young to be that old.
If you can't indulge in a little self-deprecation once and awhile, who
can you deprecate?

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[jangchub]

First of all, I am not an "IT." Second, someone pointed out that
Walmart is NOT cheaper and I replied to that by saying THAT is the
laziness of the consumer. They assume it is cheaper priced because it
is sold at Walmart. I also said I shop at Walmart. Bill is a servere
case of narcissitic, self worship.


On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:59:40 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "jangchub" >
>> >
>> > Zombies back from the dead. I killed this author as
>> > and here it is, back from the grave. Get a lot of rejection do you?
>> >
>> > - Bill
>>
>>
>> What are you talking about???
>
>You'd be amazed how often I get that JoeSpareBedroom. Sorry I had to
>piggy-back off of your post but I went and "kill filed"
a.k.a. . Boy, I hate doing
>re-work. There is enough stupid in the world already so, I try to trim
>some of it out of my life. Last time around "it" was leaving the country
>because of some radio commercial. This time "it" blames the victims for
>shopping at Wally World because they hope to save a few dimes to pay for
>electricity or fix the car before it dies. Not everyone knows about the
>book "Fast Food Nation" or has the time to watch the DVD "The High Cost
>of Low Price". Those of us that do, need to bang the pots and point out
>how we are getting ripped-off. Do you (I know you know JoeSpareBedroom
>but since I got the soapbox, I might as well preachify a little.) really
>want to wear Nikes, when you know the person making them got a couple of
>dollars a day, if they are lucky? Do you really want to raise the price
>of food by chasing off the Mexicans? Some of whom came to their old
>country because, welfare for agri-corporations in the US of A in 2005
>totaled a staggering $21,057,000,000. Would you be surprised to know
>that Mexican farmers have a hard to impossible time competing against
>American grown corn? Harumph!
>
>Anyway, I've had enough vain, arrogant, stupid to last me a life-time.
>Jangchub goes in my "kill file". I got more important things to **** me
>off.
>
>Sorry for the misunderstanding JoeSpareBedroom. Your one of the
>good-guys in my book.
>
>I really got to talk to my doctor about my meds. Well, that's all from
>ol' alligator mouth for now.
>
>- Bill
>Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
> Affirmations for Personal Growth
>
>1. As I let go of my feelings of guilt, I am in touch with my inner
> sociopath.
>2. I have the power to channel my imagination into ever-soaring levels
> of suspicion and paranoia.
>3. I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the ones that are
> someone else's fault.
>4. I no longer need to punish, deceive, or compromise myself, unless I
> want to stay employed.
>5. In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.
>6. Having control over myself is almost as good as having control over
> others.
>7. My intuition nearly makes up for my lack of self-judgment.
>8. I honor my personality flaws for without them I would have no
> personality at all.
>9. I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious,
> self-righteous people around me.
>10. I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper, and
> complain.
>11. As I learn the innermost secrets of people around me, they reward me
> in many ways to keep me quiet.
>12. When someone hurts me, I know that forgiveness is cheaper than a
> lawsuit, but not nearly as gratifying.
>13. The first step is to say nice things about myself. The second, to do
> nice things for myself. The third, to find someone to buy me nice
> things.
>14. As I learn to trust the universe, I no longer need to carry a gun.
>15. All of me is beautiful, even the ugly, stupid, and disgusting parts.
>16. I am at one with my duality.
>17. Blessed are the flexible, for they can tie themselves into knots.
>18. Only a lack of imagination saves me from immobilizing myself with
> imaginary fears.
>19. I will strive to live each day as if it were my 50th birthday.
>20. I honor and express all facets of my being, regardless of state and
> local laws.
>21. Today I will gladly share my experience and advice, for there are no
> sweeter words than "I told you so!"
>22. False hope is better than no hope at all.
>23. A good scapegoat is almost as good as a solution.
>24. Who can I blame for my problems? Just give me a minute.... I'll find
> someone.
>26. Why should I waste my time reliving the past when I can spend it
> worrying about the future?
>27. The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy
> is working.
>28. I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective as sabotage.
>29. Becoming aware of my character defects leads me naturally to the
> next step of blaming my parents.
>30. To have a successful relationship I must learn to make it look like
> I'm giving as much as I'm getting.
>31. I am willing to make the mistakes if someone else is willing to
> learn from them.
>32. Before I criticize a man, I walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if
> he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot.

[FragileWarrior]

zxcvbob > wrote in news:5bc9tsF2shavkU1
@mid.individual.net:

> I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! ;-)

No one EVER expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[xPosTech]

On 5/20/2007 5:11 PM, Manelli Family wrote:
>
> <Persephone> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:48:19 -0500, "Manelli Family" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> If I buy a half whiskey barrel at HD, Menard's, or Lowe's, will clear 6
>>>> mil plastic be good enough for lining it so it will hold water? I
>>>> assume
>>>> it won't hold water without a liner even after the wood swells up.
>>>> I want
>>>> to plant a lotus seedling in it. I'm too cheap to buy a commercial
>>>> barrel
>>>> liner. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Buy a cheap shower curtain liner at WalMart.
>>
>> Or maybe some store, like maybe Costco, that treats their staff like
>> human beings, and doesn't throw them on the taxpayers for medical
>> care. And does not force their suppliers to cut prices so far that
>> they, in turn, are forced to go offshore, costing more Americans their
>> jobs.
>>
>> Frontline -- the best program on TV for my money -- a few months ago
>> aired a thorough examination of Walmart's ripple effect on our
>> economy.
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
>>
>> Persephone
>>
>> They cost less than $4. Line
>>> barrel and cut of excess. They're heavy enough to last several years,
>>> if not
>>> longer.
>>
>
> Not eveyone has acess to a Costco. Everyone has a WalMart. Yes, I agree,
> they're pretty bad but you can find anything there for less than
> anywhere else. For those of us who are retired or making a low income,
> they're the place to shop.
>
>
No $ General? Importer, but they don't claim otherwise.

--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)

Always consider the source before taking advice.
--John Navas

[zxcvbob]

FragileWarrior wrote:
> zxcvbob > wrote in news:5bc9tsF2shavkU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! ;-)
>
> No one EVER expects the Spanish Inquisition!


Thank-you. I thought nobody noticed. <sniff>

Bob

[neilbrrian]

I had a bisected whiskey butt now for 5 years and it swells and does not aperture at all. This year I accept two ponds for my lotus and waterlilies so I accept the whiskey butt acclimated for a nice container planting application phormium, different vinca minor, esperanza and variegated morning glories. I'll yield photos if it's abounding in.

[raniejohnsonn]

I had a bisected wiskey butt now for 5 years and it swells and does not aperture at all. This year I accept two ponds for my lotus and waterlillies so I accept the wiskey butt acclimated for a nice container planting application phormium, different vinca minor, esperanza and variegated morning glories.