Apistasia Wimp

[StringerBell]

Hey people,

I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some additive.
How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
Maybe a natural predator?
My Copperband never took a bite,

[Pondmeister]

Peppermint are known t eat it but like th coipper band there is n
guarantee. Give aip long enough and eventually you risk your tank
getting over run with them....nuke it now or take your changes. And by
the way you do not inject them with Joes Joice you merely squirt the
milky white crap over them and it does the trick, as does lemon juice
or kalk wasser....lemon juice is best injected.

Odds are if yu do nt feed any food to yur critters that copper band
will get hungry enough to eat the aip. Why eat crap like aip when
better stuff is handed to them.Its the only way I can get peppermints
to eat aip or emeral crabs to eat bubble algae and the same with m,ost
any critter......if it gets hungry enough it will eat the
undesireables. OR pull your ocrals and other critter osut and turn
that tank into a tank of undesireables, and throw all your
undesireable crap init like manjano';s bristle worms, mantis shrimp or
rogue hermits etc. Let it run rampant, do not worry about water
changes on a scheduled basis, and even an odd damsel or two does good
in it. Yu would be surprised how meat looking such a tank and how
diverse such a tank can get...I personally would not be caught with
out a "undesireables tank" and I prefer to look at my undesireables
than most of my other tanks.......
On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:45:16 -0400, "StringerBell"
> wrote:

<<>>Hey people,
<<>>
<<>>I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
<<>>these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
<<>>regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some additive.
<<>>How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
<<>>Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
<<>>Maybe a natural predator?
<<>>My Copperband never took a bite,
<<>>



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[RubenD]

Peppermint shrimp are supposed to eat aiptasia. The problem is sometimes
there are tastier foods in the tank.

I have one aiptasia, inside a cave on the unreachable bottom of the tank.
Still deciding between the copperband which might not work and the shrimp
who eventually will be eaten by my large sweetlips.

Tough call.

I'm wondering if I could use a power head and a hose to vaccum the aiptasia
out......


Good luck,

Ruben



"StringerBell" > wrote in message
...
> Hey people,
>
> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
additive.
> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
> Maybe a natural predator?
> My Copperband never took a bite,
>
>

[B]

Stringer,

To be honest I was pretty lazy about my aiptasia when I first saw a couple.
I did try to stab one a few times and that one disappeared. Later another
showed up and I was able to reach it and get it too. But that other one I
couldn't get to and never really cared.

6 months later I'm being bombarded with them. I kid you not that they are
everywhere. I have zoos that have a hole in the middle of the colony
because the glass anemone popped up in the middle. Aiptasia are good for
eating phosphates from your tank but I promise that if you ignore it they
will multiply slowly at first then go absolutely nuts. I probably have
around 50 that I can see in my 90g. Two of them are huge! They big ones
look neat. I have touched them and they don't sting at all but the fish try
to swim around them and, as I said, polyps don't want near them either.

Funny, the timing of your email. Just yesterday I ordered 4 berghi
nudibranch from www.saltyunderground.com. They come in tomorrow morning.
These guys are guaranteed predators of the aiptasia. It wasn't cheap but it
was my only hope of stopping this epidemic. Maybe while I'm acclamating
them tomorrow I'll get some pics of the aiptasia outbreak.

If you'd rather nature take care of it use the berghia. But remember that
once berghia eat all the aiptasia, they will starve to death. Or, do like I
did, learn from experience but you'll have to pay a bit more $$ later to fix
it.

Good luck,
Bryan



"StringerBell" > wrote in message
...
> Hey people,
>
> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
> additive.
> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
> Maybe a natural predator?
> My Copperband never took a bite,
>

[Wayne Sallee]

The trick to getting the copper banded butterfly to
eat the aiptasia, is to pester the aiptasia, and
torture the aiptasia. This will get the coper banded
butterfly interested and it will start eating them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


StringerBell wrote on 5/23/2007 3:45 PM:
> Hey people,
>
> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some additive.
> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
> Maybe a natural predator?
> My Copperband never took a bite,
>
>

[B]

So you call the aiptasia names? show it pictures of better looking
anemones? :)

Hey Wayne, last week my digitada started changing back to the orange color
it's supposed to be. (You may remember my thread a couple months back.) But
last week a bought some pulsating xenias, 3 small patches on a small rock,
and they aren't making it. I'll save this for another thread, another
time.

Bryan



"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
link.net...
> The trick to getting the copper banded butterfly to eat the aiptasia, is
> to pester the aiptasia, and torture the aiptasia. This will get the coper
> banded butterfly interested and it will start eating them.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
> StringerBell wrote on 5/23/2007 3:45 PM:
>> Hey people,
>>
>> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
>> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
>> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
>> additive.
>> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
>> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
>> Maybe a natural predator?
>> My Copperband never took a bite,

[Robin Gordon]

i suggest you go with the shrimp. I have tried joe's juice twice. both
times it killed em off but in no time at all they were back. they seemed to
be seeding from one rock but now theyre on nearly every rock.
i think in my case the shrimp would keep them under control for longer.
HTH
Robin

[kryppy@.]

On Wed, 23 May 2007 23:03:13 -0500, "B" > wrote:

>Stringer,
>
>To be honest I was pretty lazy about my aiptasia when I first saw a couple.
>I did try to stab one a few times and that one disappeared. Later another
>showed up and I was able to reach it and get it too. But that other one I
>couldn't get to and never really cared.
>
>6 months later I'm being bombarded with them. I kid you not that they are
>everywhere. I have zoos that have a hole in the middle of the colony
>because the glass anemone popped up in the middle. Aiptasia are good for
>eating phosphates from your tank but I promise that if you ignore it they
>will multiply slowly at first then go absolutely nuts. I probably have
>around 50 that I can see in my 90g. Two of them are huge! They big ones
>look neat. I have touched them and they don't sting at all but the fish try
>to swim around them and, as I said, polyps don't want near them either.
>
>Funny, the timing of your email. Just yesterday I ordered 4 berghi
>nudibranch from www.saltyunderground.com. They come in tomorrow morning.
>These guys are guaranteed predators of the aiptasia. It wasn't cheap but it
>was my only hope of stopping this epidemic. Maybe while I'm acclamating
>them tomorrow I'll get some pics of the aiptasia outbreak.
>
>If you'd rather nature take care of it use the berghia. But remember that
>once berghia eat all the aiptasia, they will starve to death. Or, do like I
>did, learn from experience but you'll have to pay a bit more $$ later to fix
>it.



Bergias are so very cool, I have been keeping them in a species
specific tank for some time now. I must be on the 12th generation at
least.

For some reason, they will never finish off all the aptasias in a reef
tank though. I swear they commit suicide so the babies will have food,
but if a ton of very tiny aptasias aren't present, they won't make it
anyway starting the next aptasia cycle.

Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)

Here are some pictures of them if you care.

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/kr-yppy/Aeolidiella_stephanieae/

Here are the four originals. They and their subsequent babies have
eaten about 30 pounds of aptasia at this point. I have kept the
population down to two breeding pairs at all times, and about two
months ago I lost all the adults and luckily hatched four and am back
in full swing now.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=962243&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

If I didn't have a steady supply of wild aptasia I would have lost
them some time ago!! They are fun to watch, but I use peppermint
shrimp for aptasia control in the tanks.





>"StringerBell" > wrote in message
...
>> Hey people,
>>
>> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
>> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
>> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
>> additive.
>> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
>> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
>> Maybe a natural predator?
>> My Copperband never took a bite,
>>
>

[Pondmeister]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
snip a bunch of assumptions:

<<>>
<<>>Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)

Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.


snip some more crap





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[[email protected]]

On May 26, 10:56 pm, kryppy@. wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 23:03:13 -0500, "B" > wrote:
> >Stringer,
>
> >To be honest I was pretty lazy about my aiptasia when I first saw a couple.
> >I did try to stab one a few times and that one disappeared. Later another
> >showed up and I was able to reach it and get it too. But that other one I
> >couldn't get to and never really cared.
>
> >6 months later I'm being bombarded with them. I kid you not that they are
> >everywhere. I have zoos that have a hole in the middle of the colony
> >because the glass anemone popped up in the middle. Aiptasia are good for
> >eating phosphates from your tank but I promise that if you ignore it they
> >will multiply slowly at first then go absolutely nuts. I probably have
> >around 50 that I can see in my 90g. Two of them are huge! They big ones
> >look neat. I have touched them and they don't sting at all but the fish try
> >to swim around them and, as I said, polyps don't want near them either.
>
> >Funny, the timing of your email. Just yesterday I ordered 4 berghi
> >nudibranch fromwww.saltyunderground.com. They come in tomorrow morning.
> >These guys are guaranteed predators of the aiptasia. It wasn't cheap but it
> >was my only hope of stopping this epidemic. Maybe while I'm acclamating
> >them tomorrow I'll get some pics of the aiptasia outbreak.
>
> >If you'd rather nature take care of it use the berghia. But remember that
> >once berghia eat all the aiptasia, they will starve to death. Or, do like I
> >did, learn from experience but you'll have to pay a bit more $$ later to fix
> >it.
>
> Bergias are so very cool, I have been keeping them in a species
> specific tank for some time now. I must be on the 12th generation at
> least.
>
> For some reason, they will never finish off all the aptasias in a reef
> tank though. I swear they commit suicide so the babies will have food,
> but if a ton of very tiny aptasias aren't present, they won't make it
> anyway starting the nextaptasiacycle.
>
> Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)
>
> Here are some pictures of them if you care.
>
> http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/kr-yppy/Aeolidiella_stephanieae/
>
> Here are the four originals. They and their subsequent babies have
> eaten about 30 pounds ofaptasiaat this point. I have kept the
> population down to two breeding pairs at all times, and about two
> months ago I lost all the adults and luckily hatched four and am back
> in full swing now.
>
> http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=962243&p...
>
> If I didn't have a steady supply of wildaptasiaI would have lost
> them some time ago!! They are fun to watch, but I use peppermint
> shrimp foraptasiacontrol in the tanks.
>
>
>
> >"StringerBell" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Hey people,
>
> >> I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
> >> these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
> >> regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
> >> additive.
> >> How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
> >> Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
> >> Maybe a natural predator?
> >> My Copperband never took a bite,- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
have solved people's aiptasia problems.

We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.

Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
assuming you have the right species of shrimp.

Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
week. If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
aiptasia.

If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
predators.

[Wayne Sallee]

wrote on 5/27/2007 10:01 AM:
>
> Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
> where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
> have solved people's aiptasia problems.
>

Burgia nudibranches (actualy scientist have given it
a different name), are the safest form of aiptasi
control, in that they will harm nothing else, and
they multiply like rabbits, and they will gang up on
an aiptasi and kill the whole thing no mater how
large the aiptasia is, but they often do not survive
in the reef tank. The above statement makes it look
like the percentage of burgia method success is
higher than it really is.

> We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
> aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
> on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
> break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
> foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.
>
> Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
> peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
> to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
> assuming you have the right species of shrimp.
>
> Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
> people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
> week.

Actually it's a matter of keeping it alive long
term, not short term. 1 week is not very long.


> If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
> aiptasia.

That's because people don't know the trick to get
them to start eating them.

However, copper banded butterfly fish also like to
eat all your worms, including feather dusters, and
star polyps, and other corals as well. But most
corals are safe.

>
> If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
> predators.
>

Yep they are, and many other things will kill them
as well. Even clown fish have been known to kill
them just to protect their anemone even though it
won't eat their anemone.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


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[kryppy@.]

On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
>snip a bunch of assumptions:
>
><<>>
><<>>Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)
>
>Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
>the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.
>
>
>snip some more crap


LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.

I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
period.

Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
moron like you.

I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.

On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
cure.

BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.

[Pondmeister]

Well your a ****ing idiot then as the name you stated is far from
being what peppermints are.you ****ing babbling dumbass! I don't care
if yur doing it for a 100 yeras your ****ing wrong wrong wrong you
asshole! I'm not talking camel shrimp asshole I am talking peppermint,
realpeppermint, yu evidently live n wayne salle world of fiction and
wish. dumbass moron! Your theone that assumes, moron since you make
assinne claims that do not hold true ..take a ****ing hike yuu
babbling moronic baboon without a clue. No better yet your welcome
here with the rest of the ****ing idiots that hang uot here....duh!

On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:22:03 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

<<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>>On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
<<>>>snip a bunch of assumptions:
<<>>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)
<<>>>
<<>>>Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
<<>>>the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>snip some more crap
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
<<>>Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.
<<>>
<<>>I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
<<>>wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
<<>>period.
<<>>
<<>>Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
<<>>sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
<<>>moron like you.
<<>>
<<>>I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
<<>>so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
<<>>studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
<<>>and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
<<>>subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
<<>>has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.
<<>>
<<>>On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
<<>>a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
<<>>crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
<<>>cure.
<<>>
<<>>BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[kryppy@.]

On 27 May 2007 08:01:38 -0700, wrote:


>Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
>where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
>have solved people's aiptasia problems.
>
>We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
>aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
>on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
>break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
>foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.
>
>Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
>peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
>to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
>assuming you have the right species of shrimp.
>
>Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
>people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
>week. If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
>aiptasia.
>
>If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
>predators.


Hopefully you won't take my last post as an attack on you, I assure
you it isn't.

You are wrong about peppermints being hit or miss, they are 100%
effective in my experience...the problems reported are from camel
shrimp who eat everything but aptasia. How someone can't tell the
difference is beyond me.

I have often wondered if a peppermint would eat an aptasia, since they
look quite similar when they are full after a big meal, but I could
never bring myself to actually try it because I assumed they would eat
em.

As far as a suitable tank, well my experience is you can't fit enough
aptasias in a tank to make it suitable. I have tried a variety of ways
to create a self sustaining aptasia/bergia environment, and I always
have to supplement the aptasias with either home grown or wild caught
because they go to the smaller ones first and leave nothing for the
microscopic larva to eat.

They will eat them all but a big one, which always starts the aptasia
cycle again. I know this as a fact, because it is how I grow more
aptasias, and they will always gravitate towards the smaller ones
first assuring nothing for the larva if you don't get them all out.

I have four tanks devoted to this project and if I felt they were
suitable, I would have started selling them months ago. As you must
know, with a good food supply it is trivial to have 100 ready in 30
days.

I have nothing against people who do sell them, I had originally
intended to do the same thing. I have shifted my breeding focus to
peppermints even though I can get them most of the year from the wild
for free. I really feel they are a hundred times better for this
problem...which isn't that big of a problem anyway IMO.

I have probably screwed around with aptasias more than anyone in a
variety of attempts to BOOST their reproduction rate and they just
don't grow all that fast. When I find any in my display tanks, I
extract them with forceps and nothing ever sprouts from the base.

I rip them from the glass and it is 50/50 whether another one will
even sprout. I chopped them up and tried to make 100, all that
happened is they slimed the water and rotted...

I have even hit them with low doses of joes juice because of the
reports from people, and it just stunted their growth with no joy on a
massive outbreak.

I have found the very best way to get them (aptasia) to reproduce is
keep them in the dark for a month, but that is a pain in the ass for
me and messes up the action I have going.

I have been considering selling viable egg swirls, since I cull most
of them anyway, but without preparing a tank full of microscopic
aptasias or chopping and feeding them every freaking day with a scope
it is next to impossible to raise them from an egg IME. I doubt many
people would have success.

I am glad someone is out there supplying them, because they make a
very cool pet, I just found them ineffective in my tanks...and I
always have aptasia because 99% of my stuff comes from the Keys, home
of the bergias and aptasias.

My vote goes to peppermint shrimp in case anyone who made it this far
down didn't take that from what I have already written. ;) It is what
I use and I have a steady supply of nudis for free.

Please don't let any of this persuade anyone from buying bergias if
you have predators who will eat the shrimp, they are very neat to
watch and pretty easy to raise....don't cry when your $60 worth of
bergias disappear into the rocks, never to be seen again and your
aptasias are flourishing, you have been warned.

BTW: They live about 60 days from start to finish, and if you don't
have a TON of microscopic aptasia the bloodline will end.

[kryppy@.]

On Sun, 27 May 2007 13:54:19 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:

>Well your a ****ing idiot then as the name you stated is far from
>being what peppermints are.you ****ing babbling dumbass! I don't care
>if yur doing it for a 100 yeras your ****ing wrong wrong wrong you
>asshole! I'm not talking camel shrimp asshole I am talking peppermint,
>realpeppermint, yu evidently live n wayne salle world of fiction and
>wish. dumbass moron! Your theone that assumes, moron since you make
>assinne claims that do not hold true ..take a ****ing hike yuu
>babbling moronic baboon without a clue. No better yet your welcome
>here with the rest of the ****ing idiots that hang uot here....duh!
>


Clearly you are an idiot. The name I supplied is the scientific name
for 'bergias' jerkoff.

I can't even believe a moron with what looks like third grade English
skills has the audacity to even address me.

What the **** is a pond faggot doing in a reef group anyway. Do you
even have a salt water tank?

Go lick one of your gold fish and leave the adults to discuss things
that happen in the ocean.




>On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:22:03 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
>
><<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:
><<>>
><<>>>On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
><<>>>snip a bunch of assumptions:
><<>>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful. ;)
><<>>>
><<>>>Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
><<>>>the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.
><<>>>
><<>>>
><<>>>snip some more crap
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
><<>>Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.
><<>>
><<>>I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
><<>>wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
><<>>period.
><<>>
><<>>Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
><<>>sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
><<>>moron like you.
><<>>
><<>>I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
><<>>so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
><<>>studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
><<>>and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
><<>>subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
><<>>has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.
><<>>
><<>>On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
><<>>a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
><<>>crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
><<>>cure.
><<>>
><<>>BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
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>
>
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>I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[kryppy@.]

On Wed, 23 May 2007 17:04:18 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:

>Peppermint are known t eat it but like th coipper band there is n
>guarantee. Give aip long enough and eventually you risk your tank
>getting over run with them....nuke it now or take your changes. And by
>the way you do not inject them with Joes Joice you merely squirt the
>milky white crap over them and it does the trick, as does lemon juice
>or kalk wasser....lemon juice is best injected.
>
>Odds are if yu do nt feed any food to yur critters that copper band
>will get hungry enough to eat the aip. Why eat crap like aip when
>better stuff is handed to them.Its the only way I can get peppermints
>to eat aip or emeral crabs to eat bubble algae and the same with m,ost
>any critter......if it gets hungry enough it will eat the
>undesireables. OR pull your ocrals and other critter osut and turn
>that tank into a tank of undesireables, and throw all your
>undesireable crap init like manjano';s bristle worms, mantis shrimp or
>rogue hermits etc. Let it run rampant, do not worry about water
>changes on a scheduled basis, and even an odd damsel or two does good
>in it. Yu would be surprised how meat looking such a tank and how
>diverse such a tank can get...I personally would not be caught with
>out a "undesireables tank" and I prefer to look at my undesireables
>than most of my other tanks.......

Do they have a babble fish translator to decipher what this moron
writes?

Get the dick out of your hand and try and concentrate on the task at
hand, like making a coherent post.

Hahahahahahah, I love the usenet. I have spent way to much time on
webforums with moderators.

I like you dick head, I would probably have just went back to
reefcentral and never again visited this newsgroup if it wasn't for
you. I will now follow your pathetic ass around to every newsgroup you
post in just to **** with you..because the only thing I have done
longer than reefs is torture ass holes on fidonet, AND then the
internet.

HAHAHAahahhahaHAHHHAHAHAHAHAhahahahhahahaAHAhhaHA! !!!!

[kryppy@.]

What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
and make a post someone can understand???
I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
written by a third grader.

[Wayne Sallee]

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


kryppy@. wrote on 5/27/2007 3:24 PM:
> What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
> and make a post someone can understand???
> I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
> written by a third grader.
>
>
>
>

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[kryppy@.]

On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
> wrote:

>Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. ;) Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise. ;)

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though. ;)

[Pondmeister]

Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
Afterall I OWN you dumbass!

Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!

Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.



On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

<<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>>Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
<<>>to do it.
<<>>
<<>>This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
<<>>see some action here. ;) Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
<<>>just makes them post more and nymshift.
<<>>
<<>>Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
<<>>experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise. ;)
<<>>
<<>>Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
<<>>basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
<<>>reply to me.
<<>>
<<>>Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
<<>>queer who is afraid to reply.
<<>>
<<>>I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
<<>>junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though. ;)
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pondmeister]

On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:56:04 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:

>Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
>Afterall I OWN you dumbass!
>
>Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
>rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
>rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!
>
>Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
>like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
>a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.

I am going to visit where you seem to only be able to dream of. I will
make you smile today, without the condom it normally takes. ;)


>
>
>
>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
>
><<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
> wrote:
><<>>
><<>>>Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
><<>>to do it.
><<>>
><<>>This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
><<>>see some action here. ;) Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
><<>>just makes them post more and nymshift.
><<>>
><<>>Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
><<>>experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise. ;)
><<>>
><<>>Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
><<>>basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
><<>>reply to me.
><<>>
><<>>Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
><<>>queer who is afraid to reply.
><<>>
><<>>I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
><<>>junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though. ;)
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>
>
>
>
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pondmeister]

Where is that Kryppy.....u0p your sisters asshole. I know your momma
lets yu do her and yur dogs, but yuor sister has been a hold out for
money, but gives t to others for free.......Been there done that
sister is not as good as yur momma is dude, so quite fussing ver it.!

Our Mr. Wayne Sallee is master at arms of plonking..............are yu
not Wayne? See what happens when you ignore on topic posters because
they know more than you do! If you were just half as smart ass me and
kryppy you may be worth whle listening to........oh that dress ooks
good n you Wayne, did Pszemol give it too you?


On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:18:40 -0400, Pondmeister >
wrote:

<<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:56:04 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>>Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
<<>>>Afterall I OWN you dumbass!
<<>>>
<<>>>Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
<<>>>rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
<<>>>rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!
<<>>>
<<>>>Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
<<>>>like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
<<>>>a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.
<<>>
<<>>I am going to visit where you seem to only be able to dream of. I will
<<>>make you smile today, without the condom it normally takes. ;)
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>><<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
> wrote:
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>>Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
<<>>><<>>to do it.
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
<<>>><<>>see some action here. ;) Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
<<>>><<>>just makes them post more and nymshift.
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
<<>>><<>>experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise. ;)
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
<<>>><<>>basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
<<>>><<>>reply to me.
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
<<>>><<>>queer who is afraid to reply.
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
<<>>><<>>junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though. ;)
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>><<>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>-------
<<>>I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Pondmeister]

On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:24:51 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:

>
>
>Where is that Kryppy.....u0p your sisters asshole. I know your momma
>lets yu do her and yur dogs, but yuor sister has been a hold out for
>money, but gives t to others for free.......Been there done that
>sister is not as good as yur momma is dude, so quite fussing ver it.!
>
>Our Mr. Wayne Sallee is master at arms of plonking..............are yu
>not Wayne? See what happens when you ignore on topic posters because
>they know more than you do! If you were just half as smart ass me and
>kryppy you may be worth whle listening to........oh that dress ooks
>good n you Wayne, did Pszemol give it too you?


you will luv it. I'm curious, where did da original pondmeister go?


>
>
>On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:18:40 -0400, Pondmeister >
>wrote:
>
><<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:56:04 -0500, Pondmeister
> wrote:
><<>>
><<>>>Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
><<>>>Afterall I OWN you dumbass!
><<>>>
><<>>>Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
><<>>>rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
><<>>>rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!
><<>>>
><<>>>Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
><<>>>like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
><<>>>a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.
><<>>
><<>>I am going to visit where you seem to only be able to dream of. I will
><<>>make you smile today, without the condom it normally takes. ;)
><<>>
><<>>
><<>>>
><<>>>
><<>>>
><<>>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
><<>>>
><<>>><<>>On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
> wrote:
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>>Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
><<>>><<>>to do it.
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
><<>>><<>>see some action here. ;) Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
><<>>><<>>just makes them post more and nymshift.
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
><<>>><<>>experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise. ;)
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
><<>>><<>>basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
><<>>><<>>reply to me.
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
><<>>><<>>queer who is afraid to reply.
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
><<>>><<>>junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though. ;)
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>><<>>
><<>>>
><<>>>
><<>>>
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!