New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat

[Gill Passman]

Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
seem to care in the slightest....

So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....

But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
- so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated

TIA
Gill

[A. Paul. Ing]

Well look it here the person responsible for all the crap in the
aquaria groups, through her hate group geared at turmoil and trolls,
is asking such a bunch as this whom she behind the scenes used to
ridicule for them being assinine dumbasses, but now she needs their
****nig help. How quaint!

Maybe folks need to re read the hate group and a few of your emails
about Wayne and Pszemol and Kurt in this group!


Remember too folks, that she slipped in there and started to delete
her posts trying to cover up her ways.....but there is still more than
enough reading to make yu leary of dealing with this person. Just key
in n the quoted texts or replies, her statements are still there, even
though her original statment was deleted by her......To bad she did
not think enough of her friend to give them any warning or time to do
what she did.........Hate mongors and grup agitaotrs is what they were
in a hidden behind the scenes events. All because she did not like
Carol Gulley aka Reel Mckoi and her upper hand on the aquaria groups
was slipping daily......NOw its all but gone! hahahahahaaha

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/reclaimourfishgroups/topics

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:39:08 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
<<>>problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
<<>>unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
<<>>seem to care in the slightest....
<<>>
<<>>So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
<<>>the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
<<>>changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
<<>>corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....
<<>>
<<>>But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
<<>>- so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
<<>>with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
<<>>can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
<<>>probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....
<<>>
<<>>Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated
<<>>
<<>>TIA
<<>>Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Wayne Sallee]

Put some fans on it.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 6/11/2007 6:39 PM:
> Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
> problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
> unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
> seem to care in the slightest....
>
> So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
> the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
> changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
> corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....
>
> But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
> - so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
> with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
> can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
> probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....
>
> Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated
>
> TIA
> Gill

[Gill Passman]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Put some fans on it.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
Yes, I thought about doing that but I also have a big tank in an air
conditioned room that I can put the corals into........my question would
be how temperture tolerant would the clown fish be if I don't move them
- it is still an option as the new tank only has 6 green chromis at the
moment.....

Gill

[KurtG]

Gill Passman wrote:
> Yes, I thought about doing that but I also have a big tank in an air
> conditioned room that I can put the corals into........my question would
> be how temperture tolerant would the clown fish be if I don't move them
> - it is still an option as the new tank only has 6 green chromis at the
> moment.....

What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop
as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.

--Kurt

[Gill Passman]

KurtG wrote:

>
> What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop
> as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
> have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.
>
> --Kurt

The ambient temperature is 72F at the moment (quite low for the time of
year). The Nano is up to 88F. The new tank is 80F before I switched on
the AC. There is no AC in the room where the nano is.

My thinking is that if I move the corals out into the big tank then I
can keep the nano as a FOWLR and reduce the lighting accordingly. The
fish do not appear to be showing any signs of distress - just the corals.

Gill

[KurtG]

Gill Passman wrote:
> The Nano is up to 88F.

That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.

Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
same sump?

There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CW1111.html

--Kurt

[Gill Passman]

KurtG wrote:
> Gill Passman wrote:
>
>>The Nano is up to 88F.
>
>
> That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
> handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.
>
> Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
> same sump?
>
> There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
> http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CW1111.html
>
> --Kurt

Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and
leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting
for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I
think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move
the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some
star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins
appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock.

Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across
here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything
similar for future use.

Thanks
Gill

[KurtG]

> powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply
> and draws less than 50 watts.

That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these
days will take either 120/220.

If you want a controller, it looks like you need this:
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CW1113

Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how
low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid.

--Kurt




Gill Passman wrote:
> KurtG wrote:
>> Gill Passman wrote:
>>
>>> The Nano is up to 88F.
>>
>>
>> That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
>> handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.
>>
>> Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
>> same sump?
>>
>> There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
>> http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CW1111.html
>>
>> --Kurt
>
> Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and
> leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting
> for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I
> think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move
> the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some
> star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins
> appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock.
>
> Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across
> here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything
> similar for future use.
>
> Thanks
> Gill

[Gill Passman]

KurtG wrote:
>>powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply
>>and draws less than 50 watts.
>
>
> That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these
> days will take either 120/220.
>
> If you want a controller, it looks like you need this:
> http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CW1113
>
> Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how
> low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid.
>
> --Kurt
>
>
Thanks for the offer....generally ordering from the US isn't a problem
for kit apart from the power issue but hubby is sharp on that sort of
thing. I'll see what is available locally first though.

Temp is now down to 84F. I've moved the capnella and one of the star
polyp colonies over to the other tank. The capnella is looking a bit
better but still bent in the middle but I'm sure it will recover. The
stars aren't out yet so I'll give them a bit more time. I couldn't get
the other star colony out of the tank as the female clownfish decided it
needed to be protected and kept biting me whenever I went near it. The
mushrooms and xenia seem fine for now. I've located the other urchin and
it seems OK. I'll stick to just the two tubes again tomorrow and see how
things go.

Gill

[Peter Pan]

A friend of mine who needed a chiller, he used a mini refrigerator. He
drilled 2 holes in the side of the refrigerator, He used filter tubing,
rapping it around the freezer coil several times before the water returned
to his tank. If he needed the water colder, he would add more tubing around
the freezer coil. It was a hit or miss process until he got the proper
length for what he needed.
What I can not remember is if the tubing, on one end was hooked to his
filtration system or if he used some sort of power head to move the water.

[KurtG]

Gill Passman wrote:
> I couldn't get
> the other star colony out of the tank as the female clownfish decided it
> needed to be protected and kept biting me whenever I went near it.

I have a mated pair of tomato clowns now. I'm surprised by the size of
the female. I bet she'll bite as well. I'll need to be a little more
careful around them.

--Kurt

[Dave]

On Jun 12, 4:40 am, KurtG > wrote:
>
I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
> have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.
>
> --Kurt

What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)? I am on my
first reef and haven't started stocking yet. I keep my house at about
78 during the day and 75 at night. With halide lights, is this too
warm of an ambient room temp?

Thanks,
Dave in Simi

[Wayne Sallee]

I have a fan on my reef tank to cool it. The ambient
room temp, depends on a lot of factors, but I have a
personal rule, that the aquarium temp is ok untill
it hits 86. If it hits 86, then the lights go out.
If the air conditioner is on, then the air temp is
kept at about 80.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Dave wrote on 6/13/2007 11:32 AM:
> On Jun 12, 4:40 am, KurtG > wrote:
> I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
>> have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.
>>
>> --Kurt
>
> What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)? I am on my
> first reef and haven't started stocking yet. I keep my house at about
> 78 during the day and 75 at night. With halide lights, is this too
> warm of an ambient room temp?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave in Simi
>

[Gill Passman]

KurtG wrote:

>
> I have a mated pair of tomato clowns now. I'm surprised by the size of
> the female. I bet she'll bite as well. I'll need to be a little more
> careful around them.
>
> --Kurt

My female only tends to bite if I put my hand in one side of the tank.
She doesn't care about anywhere else. This appears to be their chosen
spawning spot - I've found the odd egg in the substrate but no serious
activity. I've only had them since November and they were young when I
got them. The funny thing is that when "in the mood" both male and
female will attack their reflections in the glass - worried me the first
time I saw it but it happens so often now I'm not bothered about it
anymore. Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Clownfish (thanks) -
by Joyce D. Wilkerson - makes a good read even though I'm not quite
ready to attempt to raise fry

Gill

PS When she does nip it hurts so definitely not recommended

[A. Paul. Ing]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:30:13 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<<>>KurtG wrote:
<<>>
<<>>>
<<>>> I have a pair of gonads unlike Wayne. I'm surprised by the size of
<<>>> the things. I bet they can swellup if fondledl. I'll need to be a little more
<<>>> careful around them.
<<>>>
<<>>> --Kurt
<<>>
<<>>My female only tends to bite if I put myfingers in the wrong hole.
<<>>She doesn't care about anywhere else. This appears to be her chosen
<<>>spawning spot - I've found the odd egg in her coozie but no serious
<<>>activity. I've only had sex with her since November and she was young when I
<<>>go really horny. The funny thing is that when "in the mood" both male and
<<>>female will finger their selves - worried me the first
<<>>time I saw it but it happens so often now I'm not bothered about it
<<>>anymore. Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Diaper Wearing and Period Sex (thanks) -
<<>>by Bloody Mary D. Wilkerson - makes a good read even though I'm not quite
<<>>ready to attempt to eat the carpet during that timey
<<>>
<<>>Gill
<<>>
<<>>PS When she does bite my nip it hurts so definitely not recommended.....and no chewing on the clitty either!
<<>>Bloody well hurts it does!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

[Gill Passman]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> I have a fan on my reef tank to cool it. The ambient room temp, depends
> on a lot of factors, but I have a personal rule, that the aquarium temp
> is ok untill it hits 86. If it hits 86, then the lights go out. If the
> air conditioner is on, then the air temp is kept at about 80.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>

My personal rule is that if the rooms where my tanks are get too hot for
me then they are too hot for the tanks. Before we got the aircon I used
to have to run airpumps and vent the tanks by leaving the tops open and
turning off the lights (these were the freshwater ones). Observation is
also important. If the fish/inverts, and as I've just learnt corals,
start showing signs of distress and there is no other factor in water
quality then it could be heat.

This is my first summer with the reef tanks so very much a learning
curve. But from FW experience clear signs of oxygen depletion are the
fish at the surface and heavy gilling and I can't think it would be any
different with the marine.

BTW cutting the lighting and venting the tank by leaving the lid about
1" ajar has meant that the Nano only hit 82F max today and the ambient
temperature was higher than yesterday.

Gill

[KurtG]

Gill Passman wrote:
> Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Clownfish (thanks) -
> by Joyce D. Wilkerson

Strange. It's the second time in a 24 hrs that somebody recommended
that book. I have it on my wish list now.

I'm going to attempt it when I get a chance. My clowns have snuggled
into their 100 gallon tank and seem happy. They slept on their anemone
last night and they are roaming the tank this morning.

I'll need to work on some food for them. So far, they have only eaten
flake.

--Kurt

[KurtG]

Dave wrote:
> What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)?

Because I use fans to cool the tank it depends on both ambient room temp
and humidity. With humidity in the 50's (%-wise) then the room temp is
around 77 degrees. I usually keep my house at 78 during the summer, but
I don't want the temp to climb much over 83 degrees.

I'm also away from home a lot, so the systems need to be automated. I
just invested in a 3400 watt standby generator which will keep the pumps
going for 24+ hrs (among other things).

--Kurt