Adding Betta Fish with Corys and White Mountain Cloud Minnows.

[Steven Schneider]

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Hi,

I'm just wondering about the wisdom of something I'm planning on
doing. Now recently I acquired a Betta from my sister and her
family who had in turn acquired it from a friend of theirs.
Apparently, my sister's family was finding it to be more
maintenance than they wished to deal with.

About a year, or more, prior to this, we had lost our own Betta that
we had had for over a year. Unfortunately, it died from stress
related causes, but that's another story.

Anyhow, I have a 20 Gal aquarium that is populated by three albino
Cory Cats, and five White Mountain Cloud Minnows. What I'm planning
to do, at some point in the not to distant future, is transfer the
Betta to the aquarium. Now, I know that a lot has to do with the
temperaments of the individual fish, but in general is this not a
very wise idea?

I understand that the aquarium is probably near capacity as it is,
and that with the addition of the Betta I'll have to do more
frequent water changes. Bearing that in mind I'm currently more
worried about compatibility. From what I understand, Betta's are
_generally_ docile with other species of fish, and that Corys and
White Mountain Clouds are quite docile themselves.

Any insight/thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. Many
thanks to all group members who have helped in the past who might
still be current.

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[A. Paul. Ing]

**** it, just flush that Betta, they are too cheapo to be concerned
with anyhow........or put it in a mason jar and stick it on the window
sill where it can get full afternoon sun.......it does a betta good,
getting allthat Vitimin C and D by way of natural sunlight. Use
chlorinated watera s they are labryinth fish so ghey can be dumped in
chlorinated water, and that water keeps crap like ICH etc down, and
yur betta will be much healthier too. Just toss in a big old earthworm
for food. It will eventually drown and starata rotting, and this gives
the betta bite sized pieces of food for a long long time, and all you
have to do is top it off with dishwater or tap water once or so a
week......Bettas are pretty darn maintenance free fish, evidently your
sister is a lazy ass


On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:11:04 GMT, Steven Schneider
> wrote:

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<<>>Hi,
<<>>
<<>>I'm just wondering about the wisdom of something I'm planning on
<<>>doing. Now recently I acquired a Betta from my sister and her
<<>>family who had in turn acquired it from a friend of theirs.
<<>>Apparently, my sister's family was finding it to be more
<<>>maintenance than they wished to deal with.
<<>>
<<>>About a year, or more, prior to this, we had lost our own Betta that
<<>>we had had for over a year. Unfortunately, it died from stress
<<>>related causes, but that's another story.
<<>>
<<>>Anyhow, I have a 20 Gal aquarium that is populated by three albino
<<>>Cory Cats, and five White Mountain Cloud Minnows. What I'm planning
<<>>to do, at some point in the not to distant future, is transfer the
<<>>Betta to the aquarium. Now, I know that a lot has to do with the
<<>>temperaments of the individual fish, but in general is this not a
<<>>very wise idea?
<<>>
<<>>I understand that the aquarium is probably near capacity as it is,
<<>>and that with the addition of the Betta I'll have to do more
<<>>frequent water changes. Bearing that in mind I'm currently more
<<>>worried about compatibility. From what I understand, Betta's are
<<>>_generally_ docile with other species of fish, and that Corys and
<<>>White Mountain Clouds are quite docile themselves.
<<>>
<<>>Any insight/thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. Many
<<>>thanks to all group members who have helped in the past who might
<<>>still be current.
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[Tynk]

On Jun 19, 2:11?pm, Steven Schneider >
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> Hi,
>
> I'm just wondering about the wisdom of something I'm planning on
> doing. Now recently I acquired a Betta from my sister and her
> family who had in turn acquired it from a friend of theirs.
> Apparently, my sister's family was finding it to be more
> maintenance than they wished to deal with.
>
> About a year, or more, prior to this, we had lost our own Betta that
> we had had for over a year. Unfortunately, it died from stress
> related causes, but that's another story.
>
> Anyhow, I have a 20 Gal aquarium that is populated by three albino
> Cory Cats, and five White Mountain Cloud Minnows. What I'm planning
> to do, at some point in the not to distant future, is transfer the
> Betta to the aquarium. Now, I know that a lot has to do with the
> temperaments of the individual fish, but in general is this not a
> very wise idea?
>
> I understand that the aquarium is probably near capacity as it is,
> and that with the addition of the Betta I'll have to do more
> frequent water changes. Bearing that in mind I'm currently more
> worried about compatibility. From what I understand, Betta's are
> _generally_ docile with other species of fish, and that Corys and
> White Mountain Clouds are quite docile themselves.
>
> Any insight/thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. Many
> thanks to all group members who have helped in the past who might
> still be current.
>
Hi Steven.
Pay no attention to *A. Pail. Ing*...he's a moron and you can
obviously see why to ignore him.
As for your Betta, it will depend on his individual personality.
Each is different. Some are perfectly fine with tank mates and some
aren't.
I would go ahead and try it out. but do watch for the White clouds to
be nippy. If they are, remove the Betta.
I'm curious as to what temp this tank is. You have warm water and cool
water fish together, so you should have it at a happy medium for
both. *76f is the lowest I'd ever keep a Betta at, and I wouldn't
recommend keeping one under it.
Bettas actually prefer it on the warmer side. 78-80*f is optimal for
the Betta, but you do have the clouds to think of.
When first adding the male he may huff and puff and little and then
become bored with his new tank mates.
Some take a few days to used to the idea of sharing a tank, while
others have to work on learning to swim with those long fins!
Just remember to have a back up plan ready in case it doesn't work
out.

[Tynk]

On Jun 19, 2:11?pm, Steven Schneider >
wrote:

Oh, I forgot to let you know.......

There was a new group formed that doesn't have any of the nonsense
that this one does.
You'll have to join, but all the regs are there! = )
Here's the link.


http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium?lnk=li&hl=en

[Steven Schneider]

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* Tynk > [2007-06-19]:
> Hi Steven.

Hi. :-)

> Pay no attention to *A. Pail. Ing*...he's a moron and you can
> obviously see why to ignore him.

Yeah, I've been lurking the past couple of days and have taken the
trouble to killfile him. Unfortunately, I seem to have a score in
my killfile to kill posts from all AOLers too. If I hadn't thought
to tell my newsreader to specifically look for children to this
post, I'd have never seen your post, or .

I'll have to make a slight modification to my AOL score. :-)

> I would go ahead and try it out. but do watch for the White clouds to
> be nippy. If they are, remove the Betta.

K, I'll keep an eye on the little nippers.

> I'm curious as to what temp this tank is. You have warm water and cool
> water fish together, so you should have it at a happy medium for
> both. *76f is the lowest I'd ever keep a Betta at, and I wouldn't
> recommend keeping one under it.

It's ~22 C (~72 F) on cool/cold days. This being summer, in a south
facing apartment, even in Canada it's often 27 C (80 F) or better.
I keep the water level lower so the output from the filter can
splash onto the surface, and we have fan that runs when the room is
in use.

> Just remember to have a back up plan ready in case it doesn't work
> out.
>
Thanks, for the advice. I have a couple of little Betta bowls that
I could use for a standby, for now. Currently, the Betta is
occupying one of the bowls as part of his quarantine. :-)

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[Steven Schneider]

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* Tynk > [2007-06-19]:
> There was a new group formed that doesn't have any of the nonsense
> that this one does.
> You'll have to join, but all the regs are there! = )
> Here's the link.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium?lnk=li&hl=en
>
Thanks, I had forgotten that this forum existed. I was surprised
to learn that I was already a member. Obviously, I joined up near
the beginning, and then forgot about it. :-)

I'll have to make a point of visiting it more often. Maybe I'll
even post something. :-)

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[Steven Schneider]

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* Steven Schneider > [2007-06-20]:

Hurray, following up my own post. How lame. :-(

* Tynk > [2007-06-20]
>
>> Pay no attention to *A. Pail. Ing*...he's a moron and you can
>> obviously see why to ignore him.
>
> Yeah, I've been lurking the past couple of days and have taken the
> trouble to killfile him. Unfortunately, I seem to have a score in
> my killfile to kill posts from all AOLers too. If I hadn't thought
> to tell my newsreader to specifically look for children to this
> post, I'd have never seen your post, or .
>
> I'll have to make a slight modification to my AOL score. :-)
>
Upon closer inspection, you're a google grouper. I checked my
scorefile and sure enough I killfile all googlegroupers, though not
replies to them, by default.

See http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html for details.

Fixed for Tynk now. :-)

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[Tynk]

On Jun 19, 8:59?pm, Steven Schneider >
wrote:

> It's ~22 C (~72 F) on cool/cold days. This being summer, in a south
> facing apartment, even in Canada it's often 27 C (80 F) or better.
> I keep the water level lower so the output from the filter can
> splash onto the surface, and we have fan that runs when the room is
> in use.


72*f is a bit too cold for Bettas and Cories.
If you're water temp usually hangs around 80*f, that's fine.
However, if it's fluxuating back and forth, depending on the weather,
you may want to get a heater.
That way the temp will be steady. That's pretty important, as
fluxuating temps can really stress a fish.
The thermostat in the heater will turn it off when it's not needed and
back on when it does.

[Jürgen Exner]

Steven Schneider wrote:
> doing. Now recently I acquired a Betta from my sister and her
> Anyhow, I have a 20 Gal aquarium that is populated by three albino
> Cory Cats, and five White Mountain Cloud Minnows. What I'm planning
> to do, at some point in the not to distant future, is transfer the
> Betta to the aquarium.

Bettas and Cory Cats get along just fine, no problem there.
Can't say anything about the Minnows.

jue

[Steven Schneider]

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* Tynk > [2007-06-20]:
> On Jun 19, 8:59?pm, Steven Schneider >
> wrote:
>
>> It's ~22 C (~72 F) on cool/cold days. This being summer, in a south
>> facing apartment, even in Canada it's often 27 C (80 F) or better.
>
> However, if it's fluxuating back and forth, depending on the weather,
> you may want to get a heater.
>
Actually, I have a heater. I'll just have to make sure to turn it
up a notch or two. :-)

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[Steven Schneider]

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* Jürgen Exner > [2007-06-20]:
> Steven Schneider wrote:
>> doing. Now recently I acquired a Betta from my sister and her
>> Anyhow, I have a 20 Gal aquarium that is populated by three albino
>> Cory Cats, and five White Mountain Cloud Minnows. What I'm planning
>> to do, at some point in the not to distant future, is transfer the
>> Betta to the aquarium.
>
> Bettas and Cory Cats get along just fine, no problem there.
> Can't say anything about the Minnows.
>
K, thanks. I guess it'll be a bit of an experiment then. I'll make
sure to post what I observe. :-)

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* Tynk > [2007-06-20]:
> On Jun 19, 8:59?pm, Steven Schneider >
> wrote:
>
>> It's ~22 C (~72 F) on cool/cold days. This being summer, in a south
>> facing apartment, even in Canada it's often 27 C (80 F) or better.
>
> 72*f is a bit too cold for Bettas and Cories.
> If you're water temp usually hangs around 80*f, that's fine.

Well, I had bumped up the temperature on the tank heater to 24 C a
couple of weeks ago. The corys and the minnows seemed to be doing
fine, and the betta didn't seem to have any illnesses. On monday
(09 July) I finally transplanted the betta into his new home.

I'm still keeping an eye on things, but the new tankmates seem to
be getting along quite well. The minnows were initally curious of
the betta, but seem to leave him alone for the most part. Whereas
the betta just seems to be happy lurking around the plastic pants.
It was pretty obvious that the betta probably wasn't used to being
in so much water. :-) The corys never paid the minnows any
attention, and they pay the betta about the same amount.

Truth be told, the betta seems to be more interested in humans and
human activity than in fish and fish activity. I had almost
forgotten how much bettas reminded me of puppies in that respect.
:-)

Oh well, that's all I have to report about my rather mixed-up
community tank at this time. Just though I'd share so it'd be in
the archives. :-)

Thanks again,

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[Tynk]

On Jul 13, 1:29?am, Steven Schneider >
wrote:

>
> Truth be told, the betta seems to be more interested in humans and
> human activity than in fish and fish activity. I had almost
> forgotten how much bettas reminded me of puppies in that respect.
> :-)
>
> Oh well, that's all I have to report about my rather mixed-up
> community tank at this time. Just though I'd share so it'd be in
> the archives. :-)
>
> Thanks again,



Hey Steven!
Sounds like things are going good. = )
Bettas are always interested in what's going on outside their tanks
too.
They become quite tame to their owners and do show their happiness to
you.
That wiggle dance they do isn't always begging for food, hehe.
So do spend some time with your new Betta. People don't often think of
needing to spend time with a fish, but they beg for attention.
Some will even flare in the excitement too.
I just picked up a lovely male Black Crown tail. He's gorgeous.
I also had a round tail male shipped, and he's doing well too.
Found several females at a couple different Petsmarts. They get good
quality from time to time, and they were probably a breeder's culls.
Gorgeous fish.
Just yesterday I couldn't pass up a white and blue marble crown tail
male. I was just going for Bloodworms, I swear! = )~

\

[Iduna[_2_]]

When I put my hand in the tank to fix something or grab some plant
matter, my Bettas will swim around my hand and brush it. Sometimes I
have to sneak my hand in to do it. Alarmed me the first time. I swear
they want to be petted.

I put three juvenile male guppies in with one of my male bettas about a
week ago. It was funny. They wanted to hide, he wanted to see what
they were. Even now if he can't see one, he will go looking for it. It
was like that too, when I put the algae eater in there a month ago. It
hid under the log - the betta dug under the log to find him. As long as
he could see it, it was ok. When it hid, he went looking for it. Silly
thing.

TYNK, another one! I wish I had room for more. I often have to tell
myself don't look . . . don't look . . . don't look, when I just run in
quick for something.

Iduna

Tynk wrote:
> On Jul 13, 1:29?am, Steven Schneider >
> wrote:
>
>> Truth be told, the betta seems to be more interested in humans and
>> human activity than in fish and fish activity. I had almost
>> forgotten how much bettas reminded me of puppies in that respect.
>> :-)
>>
>> Oh well, that's all I have to report about my rather mixed-up
>> community tank at this time. Just though I'd share so it'd be in
>> the archives. :-)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Hey Steven!
> Sounds like things are going good. = )
> Bettas are always interested in what's going on outside their tanks
> too.
> They become quite tame to their owners and do show their happiness to
> you.
> That wiggle dance they do isn't always begging for food, hehe.
> So do spend some time with your new Betta. People don't often think of
> needing to spend time with a fish, but they beg for attention.
> Some will even flare in the excitement too.
> I just picked up a lovely male Black Crown tail. He's gorgeous.
> I also had a round tail male shipped, and he's doing well too.
> Found several females at a couple different Petsmarts. They get good
> quality from time to time, and they were probably a breeder's culls.
> Gorgeous fish.
> Just yesterday I couldn't pass up a white and blue marble crown tail
> male. I was just going for Bloodworms, I swear! = )~
>
> \
>
>

[Tynk]

On Jul 14, 2:16?am, Iduna > wrote:
> When I put my hand in the tank to fix something or grab some plant
> matter, my Bettas will swim around my hand and brush it. Sometimes I
> have to sneak my hand in to do it. Alarmed me the first time. I swear
> they want to be petted.
>
> I put three juvenile male guppies in with one of my male bettas about a
> week ago. It was funny. They wanted to hide, he wanted to see what
> they were. Even now if he can't see one, he will go looking for it. It
> was like that too, when I put the algae eater in there a month ago. It
> hid under the log - the betta dug under the log to find him. As long as
> he could see it, it was ok. When it hid, he went looking for it. Silly
> thing.
>
> TYNK, another one! I wish I had room for more. I often have to tell
> myself don't look . . . don't look . . . don't look, when I just run in
> quick for something.
>
> Iduna

LOL....
Yes, another one.
There's no use in trying to resist. It's futile.
Pics coming soon.......

[peterriitz]

As far as I know, the aquarium could be close to capacity, because it is in addition, the beta will I have to do more frequently changing the water. With this in mind, I am now more worry about compatibility. I understand that Tony is home generally gentle with other species of fish, and the Coreys and baishan Yun is very tame themselves.