Re: ****tyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ****tyFLL..LOL

[bob&carole]

On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
> On Jun 27, 5:51 pm, wrote this humorous response
> in regards to faggot ****tyLLL's lack of self control.:
>
>
>
> > > > No, it's clear from the above exchange that you are laughing at
> > > > hilarious farts. Funny stuff, Blobby! Especially to second-graders
>
> > > As funny as your alcoholism??
>
> > No
>
LOL ?Nothing is as funny as poor pathetic ****head, ****tyFLL's
lack of self control. Even usenet tard parsifal admits it.

****tyFLL is a proven liar and will
netKKKop you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi,
because I am anonymized to perfection. My pet monkey lc,
recently named "Little ****" thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent
psycho stalker sniper 308 thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic
colon choker jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the
Three Spooges do you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or
none of the above?

We all remember when a very confident ****tyFLL posted this gem.

"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL

And then he/it tried to lie and say he/it didn't post it after it was
seen by everyone.

I think we've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me. :-)
Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
around" :-)

We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)


We've established the fact that scotty WILL lie...about what he
posts,
about his deviant habits and lifestyle. And he/it will lie about
other
purveyors of truth like myself. Also we've established the fact that
he is a ****head, which could explain his incoherent babbling and
his willingness to believe posts with forged headers are authentic.

He's a liar AND a netKKKop. You can't get much lower than that.

Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
he has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.faggots/msg/7a684d3c7919c791?


>From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:

Squirt! Squirt! ROTF!!!!!!

[ScottyFLL]

On Jun 28, 11:57 am, bob&carole > wrote:

> We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
> alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
> has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
> babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)

Blobby, I don't drink. But it is all-telling that you think that
alcoholism is funny. It's as funny as terminal cancer! LOL!

[bobandcarole[_14_]]

On Jun 28, 1:59?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 11:57 am, bob&carole > wrote:
>
> > We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
> > alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
> > has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
> > babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)
>
> Blobby, I don't drink.

LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?


?But it is all-telling that you think that
> alcoholism is funny.

YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>> Blobby, I don't drink.
>
>LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?


Same reason Blobby posts in alt.support.boy-lovers, and
alt.support.chicken-****ing

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud

[A. Paul Ing]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:19:40 GMT, Sniper .308 > wrote:

<<>>On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>>YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL
<<>>
<<>>LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud
Hi y'all....welcome to ther reef forum...if it was not for the
gracious heart of Gill Passman and her buddy Wayne Sallee you all
woudl not have gotten the invite to participate in this group. We
talk about it all, from your grandmothers sagging titties to your
bosses big Buick and Uncle Joes limp dick!

[Jaye Elke]

Sniper .308 wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
> > wrote:
>
>
>> YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL
>
> LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud

ROFL!!!

[bobandcarole[_14_]]

On Jun 28, 2:42?pm, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >> Blobby, I don't drink.
>
> >LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?
>
> Same reason Blobby posts in alt.support.boy-lovers, and
> alt.support.chicken-****ing

No, ****tard..read his aa posts, ie: "What makes a good
sponsor" combine that with the fact that he doesn't deny
being an alcoholic and presto...a faggot lush. He claims
he doesn't drink, not that he isn't a ****head.

Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
idle threats and has zero credibility. We're still waiting for
you to prove you have my personal info and are coming to
visit. I guess it will be a LONG wait huh? The clock is
ticking.....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
frustration, psychotic tendencies and his predisposition to lie..

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:48:35 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
>idle threats and has zero credibility.

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

[bobandcarole[_15_]]

On Jun 29, 2:36?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:48:35 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
> >idle threats and has zero credibility.
>
> LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>>
>> LOOK WHO IS TALKING
>
>We are!!!
>

WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count

[bobandcarole[_15_]]

On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
>
> >> LOOK WHO IS TALKING
>
> >We are!!!
>
> WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count

Lie for us again....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:42:07 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> LOOK WHO IS TALKING
>>
>> >We are!!!
>>
>> WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count
>

Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?


>Lie for us again....
>
>"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
>Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper.
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[bobandcarole[_15_]]

On Jun 29, 2:43?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:42:07 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> LOOK WHO IS TALKING
>
> >> >We are!!!
>
> >> WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count
>
> Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

Come on..tell us another lie...

You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en


>
>
>
> >Lie for us again....
>
> >"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
> >Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc4...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:44:42 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:



WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN?, Your imaginary friends don't
count

Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

[bobandcarole[_15_]]

On Jun 29, 2:46?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:44:42 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
>
> WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN?, Your imaginary friends don't
> count
>
> Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!

You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:48:08 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
>of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!

Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

>
>You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
>Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jun 29, 3:14?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:48:08 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
> >of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!
>
> Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple


You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc4...

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:24:03 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>> Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?
>
>The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple

Coming from a pathologically lying bag of **** like you, that is just
too funny.

>
>You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
>Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc4...
>

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jun 29, 3:25?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:24:03 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >> Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?
>
> >The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple
>
> Coming from a pathologically lying bag of **** like you, that is just
> too funny.

The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:


"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en


How humiliating!

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:29:52 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:

The HYSTERICAL part is how you post it over and over PROVING you are
IMPOTENT ****ING IDIOT

>
>
>"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
>Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en
>
>
>How humiliating!

FOR YOU

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jun 29, 3:34?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:29:52 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:
>
> The HYSTERICAL part is how you post it over and over PROVING you are
> IMPOTENT ****ING IDIOT
>
>
>
> >"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
> >Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc4...
>
> >How humiliating!
>
> FOR YOU

LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
nothing more.



"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:41:33 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>> >How humiliating!
>>
>> FOR YOU
>
>LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
>nothing more.

Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

>
>"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
>Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jun 29, 3:45?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:41:33 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >> >How humiliating!
>
> >> FOR YOU
>
> >LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
> >nothing more.
>
> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?


"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en


>
>
>
>
>
> >"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
> >Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc4...- Hide quoted text -

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
>> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>
>Where's your cites?
>

There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

[bobandcarole[_11_]]

On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
> >> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>
> >Where's your cites?
>
> There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:38:22 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:


>> There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>
>Sidestep is noted. Liar

WHAT side step?, it is a fact you lying ****ing retard

[ScottyFLL]

On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole > wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
> > >> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>
> > >Where's your cites?
>
> > There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>
> Sidestep is noted. Liar

Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:20:21 -0700, ScottyFLL >
wrote:


>Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
>then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

No different than his constant cut & paste two step, just proves he is
incapable of coming up with any sort of intelligent response.

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jun 29, 12:20?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
> > > >> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>
> > > >Where's your cites?
>
> > > There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>
> > Sidestep is noted. Liar
>
> Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
> then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)
>
> Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
> ****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"
>
> We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
> deny their existence.

He's a liar like I've never seen.

[Jaye Elke]

bobandcarole wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:20?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
>> On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole > wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
>>>>>> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>>>>> Where's your cites?
>>>> There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>>> Sidestep is noted. Liar
>> Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
>> then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.
>
> faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)
>> Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
>> ****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.
>
> Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"
>> We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
>> deny their existence.
>
> He's a liar like I've never seen.
>
>

You're a worthless lying piece of garbage, loser Blob.

[Jaye Elke]

bobandcarole wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>>
>> > wrote:
>>>> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
>>>> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
>>> Where's your cites?
>> There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>
> Sidestep is noted. Liar
>

You are a lying kook, Blob. You know it and so does everyone else.

[James Norris]

On Jun 30, 4:26 am, James Norris > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 3:25?am, someone2 > wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 1:55 am, James Norris > wrote:
>
> > Design for a Conscious Mechanoid
>
> > [Just to deter the predictable 'define what you mean by conscious'
> > posting: 'Conscious' means 'aware of reality' - a human being is
> > conscious, but a piece of paper is not conscious. If there is still a
> > problem with understanding the word 'conscious', try using a
> > dictionary.]
>
> > Start off with millions of identical ordinary (non-conscious) robots.
> > Each robot is pre-programmed to collect things from the environment at
> > random (twigs, elastic bands, teadcups, wheels, orange peel etc), and
> > incorporate them into itself, gradually replacing all its original
> > component parts as it does so. Now let the robots free to interact
> > with the environment, and watch what happens.
>
> > Most of the robots would cease to function quite rapidly, of course.
> > They might replace one of their vital components (the computer
> > program, for example), with a piece of orange peel and immediately
> > stop working permanently. Some might continue to function for quite a
> > while, making meaningless minor alterations to their original
> > structure, without affecting their basic operation as a programmed
> > mechanical device, which we knew to be non-conscious. We can ignore
> > robots which have replaced themselves with biological material which
> > was already conscious, because that is obviously not what we are
> > interested in.
>
> > The robots we are interested in are those which manage to replace all
> > their constituent components, including their original computer
> > hardware and software, but are still functioning. They, like
> > ourselves, have been created out of material from the environment, so
> > they might be conscious, as we are.
>
> > A certain amount of complexity is required for consciousness, and this
> > could be provided, for example, by using the twigs to twang the
> > elastic bands - the vibrational properties of the elastic bands could
> > easily carry any complexity necessary for the occurrence of thought.
> > For that to happen by chance is extremely unlikely of course, as is
> > the likelihood of millions of monkeys randomly operating typewriters
> > producing the occasional Shakespeare sonnet by chance, but if you left
> > them long enough, they would eventually do it!
>
> > Consciousness is a subjective experience, so there is no way of
> > determining whether or not anything or anybody is conscious. In the
> > design above, the construction allows the possibility that
> > consciousness might occur in a device which was originally non-
> > conscious. The random self-modifying behaviour may have led to a
> > wheeled mechanism made out of orange peel, teacups and elastic bands
> > held together with bits of wood, with its understanding of reality
> > contained in the vibrational processes occurring in the twig-twanged
> > elastic bands, which wanders around in the natural environment
> > apparently decorating itself with the bits of garbage it picks up.
> > Perhaps the device has improved on its original design and is now
> > conscious? At any rate, it certainly wouldn't be less conscious than
> > it was to begin with.
>
> > James Norris
>
> > > > > I read your thread. Was it a satirical portrayal of atheist
> > > > > "reasoning"?
>
> > > > No, it was a design for a conscious entity, neither biological nor
> > > > computer-based.
>
> > > > > I especially liked the bit:
>
> > > > > "A certain amount of complexity is required for consciousness, and
> > > > > this could be provided, for example, by using the twigs to twang the
> > > > > elastic bands - the vibrational properties of the elastic bands could
> > > > > easily carry any complexity necessary for the occurrence of thought."
>
> > > > > You could imagine atheists setting themselves up as authorities on
> > > > > which tunes played on a guitar gave rise to consciousness, and whether
> > > > > one string, or all the strings, or the whole guitar had the
> > > > > experiences. They could debate on to what extent they could
> > > > > anthropomorphise the conscious experience a certain song gave.
>
> > > > The notion of vibrations carrying information was an example of how
> > > > the necessary complexity for 'thoughts' might arise in the mechanism.
> > > > I understand from your earlier postings that you believe that human
> > > > beings have a non-physical 'soul', so I'm not sure why you think my
> > > > suggestion is so laughable.
>
> > > > > Though the part where you said, "consciousness is a subjective
> > > > > experience, so there is no way of determining whether or not anything
> > > > > or anybody is conscious", did illustrate that from an atheist
> > > > > perspective there would be no experimental difference expected whether
> > > > > something was or wasn't consciously experiencing, which is something a
> > > > > few of them here are having problems coming to terms with.
>
> > > > I don't know why you pick on atheists in particular as having a
> > > > problem with the unverifiability of subjective experiences, but
> > > > anyway, perhaps many of us do - I personally don't.
>
> > > > > Still, very amusing, assuming of course you weren't being serious, and
> > > > > an absolute nutter.
>
> > > > An absolute nutter in your opinion might be someone who believed that
> > > > they had four souls, rather than just the one, I suppose.
>
> > > > The Design for a Conscious Mechanoid is quite serious - a hypothetical
> > > > example of how a constructed 'mechanical' (ie non-biological) being
> > > > might be conscious. I'm not suggesting that it would ever work in
> > > > reality, any more than that a million monkeys typing on a million
> > > > typewriters for a million years to produce the works of Shakespeare
> > > > would ever work in reality. The example draws attention to the
> > > > salient aspects of an interesting question. I'm glad you found it
> > > > amusing though. I always try to make my postings interesting and
> > > > memorable, and humour is a well-known didactic tool.
>
> > > The problem with no experimental difference expected whether something
> > > was or wasn't consciously experiencing, is that it means whether it
> > > was or wasn't, couldn't be thought to influence behaviour. If that was
> > > the case, it would have to be a coincidence that our behaviour
> > > expressed the conscious experiences we actually have (it couldn't have
> > > been influenced by their existance).
>
> > You are trying to discuss consciousness using behavioural concepts.
> > The behavioural understanding of the psyche has little to say about
> > consciousness - the brain reacts to external stimuli and produces
> > behaviour in the organism, which is studied to give an understanding
> > of the workings of the brain. Cognitive models of consciousness,
> > which you should look into as they might help you express your
> > argument, are inside-out compared to the behavioural viewpoint. The
> > 'mind' (which is believed to exist because of processes occurring in
> > the brain) is considered as an Ego, with Superego, Id and various
> > other paraphernalia, and these all contribute to goal-directed
> > behaviour caused by subjective 'needs' which the conscious being tries
> > to satisfy.
>
> > > Anyway, interesting post. So have you any thoughts on which tunes
> > > played on a guitar might be give rise to, the string(s) or the guitar
> > > thinking? Any thoughts on what those thoughts might be? I ask you, as
> > > I guess you would be the closest thing to a world authority on the
> > > concept, or have you got competition?
>
> No, you haven't really grasped the point about the vibrations in the
> example. I was just pointing out that a certain amount of complexity
> is required for consciousness, so complexity is needed somewhere in
> the mechanoid. Vibrating systems can contain information of arbitrary
> complexity - they don't have to be made out of physical elastic
> bands. Vibrations occur in strings in general, these could be the
> theoretical strings of string-theory, or hair-like cilia made from
> millions of tiny pinheads all oscillating in a plasma field, if you
> think elastic bands are too primitive a device to be worth
> considering. Some people think that Mobius strips are weirdly clever
> - perhaps if millions of elastic bands were Mobius strips interacting
> in a complex 3-d lattice, with carefully placed twigs and twiglets to
> provide the necessary resonance and feedback effects, it would be
> rather more likely to have the necessary complexity for conscious
> awareness of reality, than using just the one guitar string that you
> suggest?

Discuss.

Jim





On Jun 30, 6:29?am, Jaye Elke > wrote:
> bobandcarole wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> >> > wrote:
> >>>> Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
> >>>> k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
> >>> Where's your cites?
> >> There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
>
> > Sidestep is noted. Liar
>
> You are a lying kook, Blob. You know it and so does everyone else.

[Sniper .308]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:52:15 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)

Jealous, you illeterate ****

>>
>> Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
>> ****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.
>
>Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"

Nothing questionable about them

>>
>> We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
>> deny their existence.
>
>He's a liar like I've never seen.

Look who is yapping

[bobandcarole[_13_]]

On Jun 30, 3:38?pm, Sniper .308 > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:52:15 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)
>
> Jealous, you illeterate ****
>
>
>
> >> Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
> >> ****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.
>
> >Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"
>
> Nothing questionable about them

Why can't the cocksucker find a genuine post?
Because none exist.
>
>
>
> >> We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
> >> deny their existence.
>
> >He's a liar like I've never seen.
>
> Look who is yapping

Look who's tap-dancing again
<tosses cap-gun a watermelon>

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
frustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/52e8dc47b2f9f189?&hl=en

[Sniper .308]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:44:26 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>> Look who is yapping
>
>Look who's tap-dancing again

That would be you Blobby