Kicking atheist ass

[bobandcarole[_27_]]

"There are no atheists in foxholes"



U.S. backs churches in atheist fight
July 19, 2007

BY DAVID ASHENFELTER

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

The U.S. Department of Justice has waded into a legal brawl between a
national atheist group and the Detroit Downtown Development Authority,
which pledged $734,570 in grants to three historic churches in a major
downtown face-lift in time for the 2006 Super Bowl.

A federal judge in Detroit is expected to rule soon in the case, which
could have national implications as to what role the government has in
helping to preserve historic churches.

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American Atheists Inc. sued Detroit's DDA in U.S. District Court last
year, saying the grants violated the constitutional separation between
church and state. The DDA pledged the money to the churches as partial
reimbursement for improvements the churches made to their properties.

"The churches should be paying for those projects, not taxpayers,"
American Atheists President Ellen Johnson told the Free Press last
week. She said the projects amount to public support of religion.

But the development authority, the churches and their recent ally, the
Justice Department's Civil Division, say the funds, which the churches
haven't received, don't involve Bibles, prayer books or religious
indoctrination -- only grants that enabled the churches to participate
in a program that helped downtown property owners spruce up their
property. They compared the grants to communities providing police and
fire protection for churches.

"It's been nightmarish," said the Rev. Kevin Turman, pastor of Second
Baptist Church in Greektown. He and other pastors said that without
the grants, which were due more than a year ago, the churches have
been forced to renegotiate loans, pay more interest and divert funds
from church projects.

The decision is expected to come soon from U.S. District Judge Avern
Cohn. The Justice Department said an adverse ruling could jeopardize
future national preservation grants to historic churches.

Justice Department lawyer Kathryn Wyer told Cohn that the federal
government has long recognized the importance of preserving national
historic church sites. In 2003, she said, the National Parks Service
awarded the Old North Church in Boston a $317,000 grant to restore its
windows.

The church, occupied by an Episcopal congregation, was made famous in
April 1775 when its sexton displayed two lanterns from the steeple to
warn American Revolutionary War patriot Paul Revere that the British
were advancing on Lexington, Mass.

"Federal bricks-and-mortar programs serve important secular interests
in preserving our national heritage and in providing tangible
assistance after major catastrophes," Wyer told Cohn in court papers
in April. She declined to be interviewed.

"Detroit's program, while on a smaller scale than these federal
programs, similarly serves the important purpose of bringing a
downtown area back to life," Wyer added.

American Atheists Inc., a New Jersey nonprofit founded in the 1960s by
the legendary late atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, sued the authority
in April 2006, after learning of the grants to Central United
Methodist Church and St. John's Episcopal Church on Woodward near the
Fox Theatre, and Second Baptist Church on Monroe.

The churches used the grant pledges to obtain $1.7 million in loans to
repair their building facades and parking lots and make other
improvements. Property owners were offered 50% reimbursement -- up to
$150,000 for building facades and $30,000 for parking lots -- to
improve their property. The grants, totaling $11.5 million, were
designed to generate $23 million in improvements.

"We agreed to provide assistance to the churches, not as churches but
as property owners," said Art Papapanos, vice president of the Detroit
Economic Growth Corp., which is affiliated with the DDA. "We didn't
differentiate between whether it was religious, political, private or
government entity."

Authority lawyers argued that the church projects complied with U.S.
Supreme Court decisions allowing governments to award grants to
religious organizations if the grants don't advance or inhibit
religion or result in religious indoctrination.

The atheist group was joined in its suit by Steve Walker, a political
science professor at Wayne County Community College, and Dennis
Vatsis, a Detroit lawyer who lives in West Bloomfield.

"I have nothing against these churches, but why would I want to
subsidize them with my tax money?" asked Walker.

Added Vatsis: "I'm just tired of working 60 hours a week to fund these
government schemes to dole out my tax money, particularly when we have
a constitutional prohibition against it."

[Mark Earnest]

"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no atheists.

Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
people say about him.

Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
atheist means.

People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.

[Lucifer]

On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are no atheists.
>
> Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
> people say about him.
>
> Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
> atheist means.
>
> People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.


In your case, that would be any words.

Atheist - without a deity.

I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.

--

Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor

The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom

Convicted by Earthquack

"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

[ScottyFLL[_5_]]

On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:

> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!

[guest]

Use your brain. support science, not superstition.

[Mark Earnest]

"Lucifer" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >
> > oups.com...
> >
> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> > There are no atheists.
> >
> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
what
> > people say about him.
> >
> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
> > atheist means.
> >
> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
>
> In your case, that would be any words.
>
> Atheist - without a deity.
>
> I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.

Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that word,
deity.

It encompasses more than you now realize.

[bobandcarole[_28_]]

On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>
> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!

I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.


ScottyFLL or ****tyFLL as he is known in APH
is a proven liar and keep in mind that he will netKKKop
you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi, because I am
anonymized to perfection. My usenet longevity is proof positive of
that assertion. But keep in mind that he strives to be a pussy
netKKKop coward. Why? Because ****tyFLL IS a coward.

My pet monkey lc, recently named "Little ****" {Also a netKKKop
wannabe} thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent psycho stalker sniper
308 aka "cap-gun" thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic colon choker
jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the Three Spooges do
you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or none of the above?


We all remember when a foolishly confident ****tyFLL posted this
priceless gem:


"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL


A tagline for the ages to be sure!


After I shoved his delusional rant down his throat,
he lied and said he didn't post it after it was
witnessed by everyone. ****tyFLL IS a liar!


We've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me.
Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
around" :-) ****tyFLL IS delusional


His forgeries are well documented.
This is ****tyFLLs "screenshot"


http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bcfullpersonaladscreenslz4.jpg


This is the authentic version:


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2849/bcos5.jpg


~~****tyFLL...usenets biggest sot~~


We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no discipline or self control and that fact is laughable to
say the least! . One has to wonder if his babbling tirades
regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)


We've established, beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact that scotty
WILL lie...about what he posts and about his deviant habits and
lifestyle. And he/it will lie about other purveyors of truth like
myself. Also we've established the fact that he is a ****head, which
could explain his incoherent babbling and his willingness to believe
posts with forged headers are authentic.


He's a proven liar, faggot, forger AND a pussy netKKKop. You can't
get
much lower than that.


Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?



http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.faggots/msg/7a684d3c7919c791?

<Tosses ScottyFLL a five spot>


Have another drink ****ty, this one's on me....



>From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:


~~~"Squirt! Squirt!"~~~~ ROTF!!!!!!











"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL


"I threatened suit, you changed your illegal
behavior because you're a scared little pussy,
and I let it go"--Documented liar ScottyFLL


http:://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/c77847ce4ccc4e4e?
dmode=source&hl=en

BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Uncle Vic]

bobandcarole wrote:
> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

This article has nothing to do with that canard.
<snip>

>
> The U.S. Department of Justice has waded into a legal brawl between a
> national atheist group and the Detroit Downtown Development Authority,
> which pledged $734,570 in grants to three historic churches in a major
> downtown face-lift in time for the 2006 Super Bowl.

I tend to agree with the DDDA. Nothing wrong with sprucing up the town.
The problem is, the Church doesn't pay any taxes, so this benefit is
basically a free ride emburdened by the tax payers. When the Church
starts being a part of the taxpaying community, then it deserves the
benefits thereof.

--
Uncle Vic
#2011

[Uncle Vic]

Mark Earnest wrote:
> "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are no atheists.
>
> Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
> people say about him.
>
> Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
> atheist means.
>
> People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
> People fart sloppily and crap in their pants when they don't sound impressive.

> Oh, man. I just made a mess in my pants.

[John Baker]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>"There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are no intelligent people in your house either.

[ScottyFLL[_5_]]

On Jul 28, 3:52 pm, John Baker > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >"There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are no intelligent people in your house either.

For those unaware, Blob's "house" = "mobile home parked on the edge of
a swamp".

[bobandcarole[_28_]]

On Jul 28, 3:24?pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
> On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
>
> > On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>
> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> > How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!
>
> I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.
>
> ScottyFLL or ****tyFLL as he is known in APH
> is a proven liar and keep in mind that he will netKKKop
> you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi, because I am
> anonymized to perfection. My usenet longevity is proof positive of
> that assertion. But keep in mind that he strives to be a pussy
> netKKKop coward. Why? Because ****tyFLL IS a coward.
>
> My pet monkey lc, recently named "Little ****" {Also a netKKKop
> wannabe} thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent psycho stalker sniper
> 308 aka "cap-gun" thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic colon choker
> jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the Three Spooges do
> you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or none of the above?
>
> We all remember when a foolishly confident ****tyFLL posted this
> priceless gem:
>
> "I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
> parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL
>
> A tagline for the ages to be sure!
>
> After I shoved his delusional rant down his throat,
> he lied and said he didn't post it after it was
> witnessed by everyone. ****tyFLL IS a liar!
>
> We've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me.
> Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
> failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
> around" :-) ****tyFLL IS delusional
>
> His forgeries are well documented.
> This is ****tyFLLs "screenshot"
>
> http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bcfullpersonaladscreenslz4.jpg
>
> This is the authentic version:
>
> http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2849/bcos5.jpg
>
> ~~****tyFLL...usenets biggest sot~~
>
> We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
> alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
> has no discipline or self control and that fact is laughable to
> say the least! . One has to wonder if his babbling tirades
> regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)
>
> We've established, beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact that scotty
> WILL lie...about what he posts and about his deviant habits and
> lifestyle. And he/it will lie about other purveyors of truth like
> myself. Also we've established the fact that he is a ****head, which
> could explain his incoherent babbling and his willingness to believe
> posts with forged headers are authentic.
>
> He's a proven liar, faggot, forger AND a pussy netKKKop. You can't
> get
> much lower than that.
>
> Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
> has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.faggots/msg/7a684d3c7919c791?
>
> <Tosses ScottyFLL a five spot>
>
> Have another drink ****ty, this one's on me....
>
> >From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:
>
> ~~~"Squirt! Squirt!"~~~~ ROTF!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
> parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL
>
> "I threatened suit, you changed your illegal
> behavior because you're a scared little pussy,
> and I let it go"--Documented liar ScottyFLL
>
> http:://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/c77847ce4ccc4e4e?
> dmode=source&hl=en
>
> BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
> try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ScottyFLL[_5_]]

On Jul 28, 3:52 pm, John Baker > wrote:


> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole

> > wrote:
> >"There are no atheists in foxholes"


> There are no intelligent people in your house either.



For those unaware, Blob's "house" = "mobile home parked on the edge
of
a swamp".

[Conspiracy of Doves]

On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "Lucifer" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com...
>
> > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> > > There are no atheists.
>
> > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> what
> > > people say about him.
>
> > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
> word
> > > atheist means.
>
> > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
> > In your case, that would be any words.
>
> > Atheist - without a deity.
>
> > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>
> Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that word,
> deity.
>
> It encompasses more than you now realize.

You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.

I do not believe in any kind of god. I have never seen evidence of a
god. If you have evidence, present it.

If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
attention to you.

[Mark Earnest]

"Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> >
> > oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >
> > > oups.com...
> >
> > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> > > > There are no atheists.
> >
> > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > what
> > > > people say about him.
> >
> > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
the
> > word
> > > > atheist means.
> >
> > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
impressive.
> >
> > > In your case, that would be any words.
> >
> > > Atheist - without a deity.
> >
> > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
> >
> > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
word,
> > deity.
> >
> > It encompasses more than you now realize.
>
> You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.

No need to get your feathers all ruffled. I am only expanding your
horizons, and taking away your fear of what you know may happen if God does
turn out to in fact be real.


>
> I do not believe in any kind of god. I have never seen evidence of a
> god. If you have evidence, present it.
>
> If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
> anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
> attention to you.

God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in, like
light,
intelligence, compassion, and perfection.

[Daniel Kolle]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:22:22 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> wrote:

>
>"Lucifer" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
>> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > oups.com...
>> >
>> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> > There are no atheists.
>> >
>> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
>what
>> > people say about him.
>> >
>> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
>word
>> > atheist means.
>> >
>> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>>
>>
>> In your case, that would be any words.
>>
>> Atheist - without a deity.
>>
>> I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>
>Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that word,
>deity.

Well, enlighten us.

>It encompasses more than you now realize.

See above.

[Conspiracy of Doves]

On Jul 28, 5:00 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com...
>
> > > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>
> > > > oups.com...
>
> > > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> > > > > There are no atheists.
>
> > > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > > what
> > > > > people say about him.
>
> > > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
> the
> > > word
> > > > > atheist means.
>
> > > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> impressive.
>
> > > > In your case, that would be any words.
>
> > > > Atheist - without a deity.
>
> > > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>
> > > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
> word,
> > > deity.
>
> > > It encompasses more than you now realize.
>
> > You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.
>
> No need to get your feathers all ruffled. I am only expanding your
> horizons, and taking away your fear of what you know may happen if God does
> turn out to in fact be real.
>
>
>
> > I do not believe in any kind of god. I have never seen evidence of a
> > god. If you have evidence, present it.
>
> > If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
> > anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
> > attention to you.
>
> God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in, like
> light,
> intelligence, compassion, and perfection.

None of which are 'god'.

[Pt. Lurk]

"Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
news:13anbjm1hirpt33@corp.
>
> God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in, like
> light,
> intelligence, compassion, and perfection.

How absolutely, desperately *pitiful*....

L.

[Mark Earnest]

"Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 28, 5:00 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in
ooglegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> >
> > > oups.com...
> >
> > > > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >
> > > > > oups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> > > > > > There are no atheists.
> >
> > > > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather
than
> > > > what
> > > > > > people say about him.
> >
> > > > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know
what
> > the
> > > > word
> > > > > > atheist means.
> >
> > > > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> > impressive.
> >
> > > > > In your case, that would be any words.
> >
> > > > > Atheist - without a deity.
> >
> > > > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as
that.
> >
> > > > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use
that
> > word,
> > > > deity.
> >
> > > > It encompasses more than you now realize.
> >
> > > You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.
> >
> > No need to get your feathers all ruffled. I am only expanding your
> > horizons, and taking away your fear of what you know may happen if God
does
> > turn out to in fact be real.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I do not believe in any kind of god. I have never seen evidence of a
> > > god. If you have evidence, present it.
> >
> > > If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
> > > anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
> > > attention to you.
> >
> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in,
like
> > light,
> > intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>
> None of which are 'god'.

Yes they are, and you know it.
You are merely deceiving yourself.
>

[Mark Earnest]

"Daniel Kolle" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:22:22 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Lucifer" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >> On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> >> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >> >
> >> > There are no atheists.
> >> >
> >> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> >what
> >> > people say about him.
> >> >
> >> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
the
> >word
> >> > atheist means.
> >> >
> >> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
impressive.
> >>
> >>
> >> In your case, that would be any words.
> >>
> >> Atheist - without a deity.
> >>
> >> I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
> >
> >Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
word,
> >deity.
>
> Well, enlighten us.

A deity, any deity, is a being that transcends the normal. We interact with
them
every time we dwell upon the unusual, the mysterious, or the perfect.

>
> >It encompasses more than you now realize.
>
> See above.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" > wrote in
>:
>
>"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
>There are no atheists.
>
>Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
>people say about him.

Please tell me how I believe in a god.

>Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
>atheist means.
>
>People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
Tell me what I believe.

[V]

On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> U.S. backs churches in atheist fight
> July 19, 2007
>
> BY DAVID ASHENFELTER
>
> FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
>
> The U.S. Department of Justice has waded into a legal brawl between a
> national atheist group and the Detroit Downtown Development Authority,
> which pledged $734,570 in grants to three historic churches in a major
> downtown face-lift in time for the 2006 Super Bowl.
>
> A federal judge in Detroit is expected to rule soon in the case, which
> could have national implications as to what role the government has in
> helping to preserve historic churches.
>
> Advertisement
>
> American Atheists Inc. sued Detroit's DDA in U.S. District Court last
> year, saying the grants violated the constitutional separation between
> church and state. The DDA pledged the money to the churches as partial
> reimbursement for improvements the churches made to their properties.
>
> "The churches should be paying for those projects, not taxpayers,"
> American Atheists President Ellen Johnson told the Free Press last
> week. She said the projects amount to public support of religion.
>
> But the development authority, the churches and their recent ally, the
> Justice Department's Civil Division, say the funds, which the churches
> haven't received, don't involve Bibles, prayer books or religious
> indoctrination -- only grants that enabled the churches to participate
> in a program that helped downtown property owners spruce up their
> property. They compared the grants to communities providing police and
> fire protection for churches.
>
> "It's been nightmarish," said the Rev. Kevin Turman, pastor of Second
> Baptist Church in Greektown. He and other pastors said that without
> the grants, which were due more than a year ago, the churches have
> been forced to renegotiate loans, pay more interest and divert funds
> from church projects.
>
> The decision is expected to come soon from U.S. District Judge Avern
> Cohn. The Justice Department said an adverse ruling could jeopardize
> future national preservation grants to historic churches.
>
> Justice Department lawyer Kathryn Wyer told Cohn that the federal
> government has long recognized the importance of preserving national
> historic church sites. In 2003, she said, the National Parks Service
> awarded the Old North Church in Boston a $317,000 grant to restore its
> windows.
>
> The church, occupied by an Episcopal congregation, was made famous in
> April 1775 when its sexton displayed two lanterns from the steeple to
> warn American Revolutionary War patriot Paul Revere that the British
> were advancing on Lexington, Mass.
>
> "Federal bricks-and-mortar programs serve important secular interests
> in preserving our national heritage and in providing tangible
> assistance after major catastrophes," Wyer told Cohn in court papers
> in April. She declined to be interviewed.
>
> "Detroit's program, while on a smaller scale than these federal
> programs, similarly serves the important purpose of bringing a
> downtown area back to life," Wyer added.
>
> American Atheists Inc., a New Jersey nonprofit founded in the 1960s by
> the legendary late atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, sued the authority
> in April 2006, after learning of the grants to Central United
> Methodist Church and St. John's Episcopal Church on Woodward near the
> Fox Theatre, and Second Baptist Church on Monroe.
>
> The churches used the grant pledges to obtain $1.7 million in loans to
> repair their building facades and parking lots and make other
> improvements. Property owners were offered 50% reimbursement -- up to
> $150,000 for building facades and $30,000 for parking lots -- to
> improve their property. The grants, totaling $11.5 million, were
> designed to generate $23 million in improvements.
>
> "We agreed to provide assistance to the churches, not as churches but
> as property owners," said Art Papapanos, vice president of the Detroit
> Economic Growth Corp., which is affiliated with the DDA. "We didn't
> differentiate between whether it was religious, political, private or
> government entity."
>
> Authority lawyers argued that the church projects complied with U.S.
> Supreme Court decisions allowing governments to award grants to
> religious organizations if the grants don't advance or inhibit
> religion or result in religious indoctrination.
>
> The atheist group was joined in its suit by Steve Walker, a political
> science professor at Wayne County Community College, and Dennis
> Vatsis, a Detroit lawyer who lives in West Bloomfield.
>
> "I have nothing against these churches, but why would I want to
> subsidize them with my tax money?" asked Walker.
>
> Added Vatsis: "I'm just tired of working 60 hours a week to fund these
> government schemes to dole out my tax money, particularly when we have
> a constitutional prohibition against it."






Not good to kick any ass...atheist or theist.

Once ass starts getting kicked the ass kicker is subject to getting
their own ass kicked when the tables turn.

Much better to offer peace to others than an ass kicking.

.....my discussion of this topic from an earlier post.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/f4006812a06f9ddf




Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

[Denis Loubet]

"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

The Associated Press reported that in the last moments before Tillman died,
another soldier was hugging the ground at Tillman's side, and Tillman said,
"Would you shut your [expletive] mouth? God's not going to help you; you
need to do something for yourself, you sniveling -"


--
Denis Loubet

http//www.io.com/~dloubet

[Dionisio]

bobandcarole wrote:

> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

Actually, there are. The military allows official designation of atheist symbols on
headstones. They also allow the use of the Wiccan symbol for practitioners of that religion.


--
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English is a funny language. A fat chance and a slim chance are the same thing.

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[Mark Earnest]

"Free Lunch" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, in alt.atheism
> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in
> >:
> >
> >"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> >There are no atheists.
> >
> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
> >people say about him.
>
> Please tell me how I believe in a god.

Do you believe in truth? in justice? in brilliance of thought? in
perfection?
Then you believe in God, whom is all these things, and others.

>
> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
> >atheist means.
> >
> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
> >
> Tell me what I believe.

You are an atheist, and an atheist believes in God. They just believe in
what God is, rather than what men say about him.

[Douglas Berry]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:58:22 -0500 there was an Ancient "Denis
Loubet" > who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
>
>"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
>The Associated Press reported that in the last moments before Tillman died,
>another soldier was hugging the ground at Tillman's side, and Tillman said,
>"Would you shut your [expletive] mouth? God's not going to help you; you
>need to do something for yourself, you sniveling -"

Now THAT'S a Ranger!
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

[Douglas Berry]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:14:48 -0400 there was an Ancient Dionisio
> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
>bobandcarole wrote:
>
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
>Actually, there are. The military allows official designation of atheist symbols on
>headstones. They also allow the use of the Wiccan symbol for practitioners of that religion.

More importantly, "atheist" is allowed to be used on official
documents in the DD-201 file and on a soldier's dogtags.
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

[Andrealphus]

In News ,, Dionisio at
, typed this:

> bobandcarole wrote:
>
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> Actually, there are. The military allows official designation of
> atheist symbols on headstones. They also allow the use of the Wiccan
> symbol for practitioners of that religion.

Atheists have a symbol? That's a new one on me. How do you symbolize
that which is not?

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:

> "There are no atheists in foxholes"

There are ONLY atheists in foxholes.

Nobody who believes in an all powerful "god" that will protect them or
"call them home" to paradise is going to be cowering in a foxhole, afraid
for his life.

Every person in a foxhole is an atheist.

Every.

Single.

One.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:

> "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are no atheists.

That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:22:22 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
>> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > oups.com...
>> >
>> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> > There are no atheists.
>> >
>> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> what
>> > people say about him.
>> >
>> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
>> > the
> word
>> > atheist means.
>> >
>> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
>> > impressive.
>>
>>
>> In your case, that would be any words.
>>
>> Atheist - without a deity.
>>
>> I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>
> Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
> word, deity.
>
> It encompasses more than you now realize.

I'm curious.

Do you understand that every single person in alt.atheism thinks you have
serious mental problems?

Do you get understand that at all?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."

- Dr. House

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:00:47 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:


> "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
>> > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > oups.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
>> > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > > oups.com...
>> >
>> > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> > > > There are no atheists.
>> >
>> > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather
>> > > > than
>> > what
>> > > > people say about him.
>> >
>> > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know
>> > > > what
> the
>> > word
>> > > > atheist means.
>> >
>> > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> impressive.
>> >
>> > > In your case, that would be any words.
>> >
>> > > Atheist - without a deity.
>> >
>> > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>> >
>> > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
> word,
>> > deity.
>> >
>> > It encompasses more than you now realize.
>>
>> You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.
>
> No need to get your feathers all ruffled. I am only expanding your
> horizons, and taking away your fear of what you know may happen if God
> does turn out to in fact be real.

No, you're being an insulting asshole.

(But you're a theist so that's expected)

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jul 28, 10:20?pm, "Andrealphus" > wrote:
> In News ,, Dionisio at
> , typed this:
>
> > bobandcarole wrote:
>
> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> > Actually, there are. The military allows official designation of
> > atheist symbols on headstones. They also allow the use of the Wiccan
> > symbol for practitioners of that religion.
>
> Atheists have a symbol? That's a new one on me. How do you symbolize
> that which is not?

"ARealPUSS"

[bobandcarole[_16_]]

On Jul 28, 10:29?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are ONLY atheists in foxholes.
>
> Nobody who believes in an all powerful "god" that will protect them or
> "call them home" to paradise is going to be cowering in a foxhole, afraid
> for his life.

So you're saying that atheists are cowards and Christians are heros.
I'll buy that........


>
> Every person in a foxhole is an atheist.
>
> Every.
>
> Single.
>
> One.
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
> alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
> it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
> - H. L. Mencken

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:44:50 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:

> On Jul 28, 10:29?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
>> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>>
>> There are ONLY atheists in foxholes.
>>
>> Nobody who believes in an all powerful "god" that will protect them or
>> "call them home" to paradise is going to be cowering in a foxhole,
>> afraid for his life.
>
> So you're saying that atheists are cowards and Christians are heros.
> I'll buy that........

I'm saying that deep down, you *all* know your god is a myth. You fear
death just as much as anybody because you *know* it's the end.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:51:32 -0500, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" > wrote in
>:
>
>"Free Lunch" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, in alt.atheism
>> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in
>> >:
>> >
>> >"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> >There are no atheists.
>> >
>> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
>> >people say about him.
>>
>> Please tell me how I believe in a god.
>
>Do you believe in truth? in justice? in brilliance of thought? in
>perfection?
>Then you believe in God, whom is all these things, and others.

Your definition of god entails everything and nothing. It is utterly
meaningless.
>>
>> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
>word
>> >atheist means.
>> >
>> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>> >
>> Tell me what I believe.
>
>You are an atheist, and an atheist believes in God. They just believe in
>what God is, rather than what men say about him.
>
Nonsense.

[Stephen Knight]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>"There are no atheists in foxholes"

I'm an atheist and I was in a foxhole. If I saw someone praying
instead of shooting to protect his brothers, I would cap him. A
christian piece of **** sleeping on guard duty gets the same. No god
ever protected anybody while asleep.

I call it superstitious dues.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Mark Earnest]

"Free Lunch" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:51:32 -0500, in alt.atheism
> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in
> >:
> >
> >"Free Lunch" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, in alt.atheism
> >> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in
> >> >:
> >> >
> >> >"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >> >
> >> >There are no atheists.
> >> >
> >> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
what
> >> >people say about him.
> >>
> >> Please tell me how I believe in a god.
> >
> >Do you believe in truth? in justice? in brilliance of thought? in
> >perfection?
> >Then you believe in God, whom is all these things, and others.
>
> Your definition of god entails everything and nothing. It is utterly
> meaningless.
> >>
> >> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
the
> >word
> >> >atheist means.
> >> >
> >> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
impressive.
> >> >
> >> Tell me what I believe.
> >
> >You are an atheist, and an atheist believes in God. They just believe in
> >what God is, rather than what men say about him.
> >
> Nonsense.

What you know does not make sense to you.

[Dionisio]

Andrealphus wrote:

> Atheists have a symbol? That's a new one on me. How do you symbolize
> that which is not?

Vapid answer? A circle with a slash through it.

Non-vapid, "don't know." The article didn't include a depiction of the symbol.


--
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I once complained to my father that I didn't seem to be able to do things the same way
other people did. Dad's advice? “Margo, don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.”
--Margo Kaufman

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[Andrealphus]

In News ,, Dionisio at
, typed this:

> Andrealphus wrote:
>
>> Atheists have a symbol? That's a new one on me. How do you
>> symbolize that which is not?
>
> Vapid answer? A circle with a slash through it.
>
> Non-vapid, "don't know." The article didn't include a depiction of
> the symbol.

Ah... Dept. of Veteran's Affairs.

http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp

[Uncle Vic]

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
us up with this:

>> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in,
>> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>>
>> None of which are 'god'.
>
> Yes they are, and you know it.

Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence of
"god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including yours?

We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.

> You are merely deceiving yourself.

You've been doing this since you became religious. When was this,
childhood? Teenage? Adulthood?



--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

[bobandcarole[_6_]]

On Jul 28, 11:17?pm, Stephen Knight > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> > wrote:
> >"There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> I'm an atheist and I was in a foxhole.

LOL!!!!!

If I saw ?someone praying
> instead of shooting to protect his brothers, I would cap him.

You're a liar. You don't 'cap' another soldier


A
> christian piece of **** sleeping on guard duty gets the same. No god
> ever protected anybody while asleep.
>
> I call it superstitious dues.

I call you a lying ass clown that is caught spewing a
fictitious line of bull****.

[Mark Earnest]

"Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
> us up with this:
>
> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in,
> >> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> >>
> >> None of which are 'god'.
> >
> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>
> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence of
> "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including yours?
>
> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.

Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
believe in.

>

[Uncle Vic]

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
bloodied us up with this:

>
> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
>> bloodied us up with this:
>>
>> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
>> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>> >>
>> >> None of which are 'god'.
>> >
>> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>>
>> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
>> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
>> yours?
>>
>> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
>> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
>> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
>> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
>
> Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
> atheists believe in.
>

These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

[Mark Earnest]

"Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> bloodied us up with this:
>
> >
> > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> >> bloodied us up with this:
> >>
> >> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
> >> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> >> >>
> >> >> None of which are 'god'.
> >> >
> >> > Yes they are, and you know it.
> >>
> >> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
> >> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
> >> yours?
> >>
> >> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> >> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> >> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> >> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
> >
> > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
> > atheists believe in.
> >
>
> These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
> correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.

How can perfect virtues not be qualities of the infinite?

> --
> Uncle Vic
> aa Atheist #2011
> Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
> chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
> Convicted by Earthquack.
>
>

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:15:06 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
>> bloodied us up with this:
>>
>> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
>> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>> >>
>> >> None of which are 'god'.
>> >
>> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>>
>> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence of
>> "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
>> yours?
>>
>> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural. We know what
>> produces intelligence, it is not supernatural. We know what produces
>> compassion, it is not supernatural. Perfection is a pipe dream of those
>> who believe in the supernatural.
>
> Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
> believe in.

Your inability to distinguish between your internal states and those of
others is a sign of serious mental illness.

Get help.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:15:06 -0500, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" > wrote in
>:
>
>"Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
>> us up with this:
>>
>> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in,
>> >> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>> >>
>> >> None of which are 'god'.
>> >
>> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>>
>> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence of
>> "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including yours?
>>
>> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
>> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
>> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
>> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
>
>Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
>believe in.

God has no qualities.

[Sniper .308]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:24:01 -0700, bobandcarole
> wrote:

>On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
>> On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>>
>> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>>
>> How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!
>
>I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.
>

PROVE IT!

[Pondmeister]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> wrote:

>
>"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
>There are no atheists.
>
>Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
>people say about him.
>
>Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
>atheist means.
>
>People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>


I believe in god as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

[Mark Earnest]

"Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> > There are no atheists.
>
> That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.

That's right.
You say there is no God.
I say there are no atheists.

Now we are even.

[Virgil]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> wrote:


>There are no atheists.
>
>Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
what
>people say about him.
>
>Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
>atheist means.
>
>People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.

"Mark Earnest" marks himself as un-earnest in extremist.

By what sort of mindreading powers does Mark claim to have access to tp
the innermost thoughts of peoples minds?

He must believe not only in a god but that he, himself, has access to
the powers ofd that god, if he can claim to be so certain of what others
think.

[Mark Earnest]

"Virgil" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >There are no atheists.
> >
> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> what
> >people say about him.
> >
> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
> word
> >atheist means.
> >
> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
> "Mark Earnest" marks himself as un-earnest in extremist.
>
> By what sort of mindreading powers does Mark claim to have access to tp
> the innermost thoughts of peoples minds?
>
> He must believe not only in a god but that he, himself, has access to
> the powers ofd that god, if he can claim to be so certain of what others
> think.

I just have been around a lot of atheists during my life, even once having
a girlfriend atheist.

I know how they think.

[Mark Earnest]

"Pondmeister" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> >There are no atheists.
> >
> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
> >people say about him.
> >
> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
> >atheist means.
> >
> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
> >
>
>
> I believe in god as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

You should believe in both.

[les_on_usenet]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:05:49 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> wrote:


>I say there are no atheists.

If his definition of atheist is correct then I am not one for
starters.


Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

[Dionisio]

Andrealphus wrote:

> Ah... Dept. of Veteran's Affairs.
>
> http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp

Fascinating. Thank you.


--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:

If you can talk brilliantly about a problem; It can create the consoling illusion that is
has been mastered.
--Stanley Kubrick

(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)

[Mark K. Bilbo]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:05:49 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:
>>
>> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> > There are no atheists.
>>
>> That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.
>
> That's right.
> You say there is no God.
> I say there are no atheists.
>
> Now we are even.

Well, since there are no atheists, there is no alt.atheism newsgroup and
you're hallucinating...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

[Smiler]

"Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Virgil" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >There are no atheists.
>> >
>> >Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
>> what
>> >people say about him.
>> >
>> >Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
>> word
>> >atheist means.
>> >
>> >People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>>
>> "Mark Earnest" marks himself as un-earnest in extremist.
>>
>> By what sort of mindreading powers does Mark claim to have access to tp
>> the innermost thoughts of peoples minds?
>>
>> He must believe not only in a god but that he, himself, has access to
>> the powers ofd that god, if he can claim to be so certain of what others
>> think.
>
> I just have been around a lot of atheists during my life, even once having
> a girlfriend atheist.

I don't believe you, airhead.
I don't believe you ever had a girlfriend and, certainly, no atheist would
go out with you.

Smiler,
The godless one

[Conspiracy of Doves]

On Jul 29, 12:54 am, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > bloodied us up with this:
>
> > > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > >> bloodied us up with this:
>
> > >> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
> > >> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>
> > >> >> None of which are 'god'.
>
> > >> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>
> > >> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
> > >> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
> > >> yours?
>
> > >> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > >> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > >> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > >> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
>
> > > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
> > > atheists believe in.
>
> > These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
> > correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.
>
> How can perfect virtues not be qualities of the infinite?
>

There are no 'perfect virtues'

[Mark Earnest]

"Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 29, 12:54 am, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > > bloodied us up with this:
> >
> > > > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > > >> bloodied us up with this:
> >
> > > >> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist
believe
> > > >> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> >
> > > >> >> None of which are 'god'.
> >
> > > >> > Yes they are, and you know it.
> >
> > > >> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are
evidence
> > > >> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods,
including
> > > >> yours?
> >
> > > >> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > > >> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > > >> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > > >> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the
supernatural.
> >
> > > > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
> > > > atheists believe in.
> >
> > > These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
> > > correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.
> >
> > How can perfect virtues not be qualities of the infinite?
> >
>
> There are no 'perfect virtues'

Nothing makes sense unless it is perfect.
Like what you just said became imperfect
when you enclosed it by meaningles single quotes.

[Jaye Elke]

bobandcarole wrote:
> On Jul 28, 3:24?pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>> On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>>>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>>> How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!
>> I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.
>>
>> ScottyFLL or ****tyFLL as he is known in APH
>> is a proven liar and keep in mind that he will netKKKop
>> you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi, because I am
>> anonymized to perfection. My usenet longevity is proof positive of
>> that assertion. But keep in mind that he strives to be a pussy
>> netKKKop coward. Why? Because ****tyFLL IS a coward.
>>
>> My pet monkey lc, recently named "Little ****" {Also a netKKKop
>> wannabe} thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent psycho stalker sniper
>> 308 aka "cap-gun" thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic colon choker
>> jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the Three Spooges do
>> you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or none of the above?
>>
>> We all remember when a foolishly confident ****tyFLL posted this
>> priceless gem:
>>
>> "I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
>> parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL
>>
>> A tagline for the ages to be sure!
>>
>> After I shoved his delusional rant down his throat,
>> he lied and said he didn't post it after it was
>> witnessed by everyone. ****tyFLL IS a liar!
>>
>> We've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me.
>> Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
>> failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
>> around" :-) ****tyFLL IS delusional
>>
>> His forgeries are well documented.
>> This is ****tyFLLs "screenshot"
>>
>> http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bcfullpersonaladscreenslz4.jpg
>>
>> This is the authentic version:
>>
>> http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2849/bcos5.jpg
>>
>> ~~****tyFLL...usenets biggest sot~~
>>
>> We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
>> alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
>> has no discipline or self control and that fact is laughable to
>> say the least! . One has to wonder if his babbling tirades
>> regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)
>>
>> We've established, beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact that scotty
>> WILL lie...about what he posts and about his deviant habits and
>> lifestyle. And he/it will lie about other purveyors of truth like
>> myself. Also we've established the fact that he is a ****head, which
>> could explain his incoherent babbling and his willingness to believe
>> posts with forged headers are authentic.
>>
>> He's a proven liar, faggot, forger AND a pussy netKKKop. You can't
>> get
>> much lower than that.
>>
>> Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
>> has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.faggots/msg/7a684d3c7919c791?
>>
>> <Tosses ScottyFLL a five spot>
>>
>> Have another drink ****ty, this one's on me....
>>
>> >From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:
>>
>> ~~~"Squirt! Squirt!"~~~~ ROTF!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
>> parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL
>>
>> "I threatened suit, you changed your illegal
>> behavior because you're a scared little pussy,
>> and I let it go"--Documented liar ScottyFLL
>>
>> http:://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/c77847ce4ccc4e4e?
>> dmode=source&hl=en
>>
>> BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
>> try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> BTW...when you give him several usenet cockslaps he threatens to sue,
> try it, it's fun!...ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

LOL! Stupid loser Blob thinks he can "cockslap" some one! Keep those
jokes coming, loser Blob!!!!! You're a laugh a minute! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaye Elke]

ScottyFLL wrote:
> On Jul 28, 3:52 pm, John Baker > wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> There are no intelligent people in your house either.
>
> For those unaware, Blob's "house" = "mobile home parked on the edge of
> a swamp".
>
Blob and Squirty are losers who can't even afford to buy a mobile home.

[Jaye Elke]

bobandcarole wrote:
> On Jul 28, 3:05?pm, ScottyFLL > wrote:
>> On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>>
>>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!
>
> I've been there, unlike YOU, pathetic pussy queer.
>

LOL! Cowardly loser Blob says he was in a foxhole! Keep those jokes
coming, stupid loser Blob! You're a laugh a minute! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaye Elke]

ScottyFLL wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2:45 pm, bobandcarole > wrote:
>
>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> How the **** would YOUR fat ass know, you lazy blobtarded ****wit?!!
>

LOL!!!!!

[Jaye Elke]

bobandcarole wrote:
> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>

Also there are no real Christians doing the things that you do. You're
going to Hell, stupid loser liar Blob.

[Geoff]

"Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
>> bloodied us up with this:
>>
>> >
>> > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
>> >> bloodied us up with this:
>> >>
>> >> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
>> >> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> None of which are 'god'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>> >>
>> >> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
>> >> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
>> >> yours?
>> >>
>> >> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
>> >> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
>> >> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
>> >> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
>> >
>> > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
>> > atheists believe in.
>> >
>>
>> These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
>> correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.
>
> How can perfect virtues not be qualities of the infinite?

Define "perfect virtue".

Show how light, intelligence, and compassion satisfy that definition.

Define "infinite" in terms that require that light, intelligence, and
compassion are qualities of it.

[Kenneth Doyle]

bobandcarole > wrote in
ups.com:

> On Jul 28, 10:29?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
>> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>>
>> There are ONLY atheists in foxholes.
>>
>> Nobody who believes in an all powerful "god" that will protect them
>> or "call them home" to paradise is going to be cowering in a foxhole,
>> afraid for his life.
>
> So you're saying that atheists are cowards and Christians are heros.
> I'll buy that........
>

It sounds to me like he's saying that this is just another example of how
theists consistantly act in a way that is contrary to their professed
belief.

[Conspiracy of Doves]

On Jul 29, 11:47 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 12:54 am, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> > > > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > > > bloodied us up with this:
>
> > > > > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> > > > >> bloodied us up with this:
>
> > > > >> >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist
> believe
> > > > >> >> > in, like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
>
> > > > >> >> None of which are 'god'.
>
> > > > >> > Yes they are, and you know it.
>
> > > > >> Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are
> evidence
> > > > >> of "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods,
> including
> > > > >> yours?
>
> > > > >> We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > > > >> We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > > > >> We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > > > >> Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the
> supernatural.
>
> > > > > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which
> > > > > atheists believe in.
>
> > > > These "qualities of god" are of your own invention, and they usually
> > > > correspond to the qualities of common sense, which require no gods.
>
> > > How can perfect virtues not be qualities of the infinite?
>
> > There are no 'perfect virtues'
>
> Nothing makes sense unless it is perfect.
> Like what you just said became imperfect
> when you enclosed it by meaningles single quotes.

There are no perfect virtues for the simple fact that there is no such
thing as perfection. Calling something perfect makes no sense.

[John Baker]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:18:17 GMT, Jaye Elke >
wrote:

>ScottyFLL wrote:
>> On Jul 28, 3:52 pm, John Baker > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:45:44 -0700, bobandcarole
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>>> There are no intelligent people in your house either.
>>
>> For those unaware, Blob's "house" = "mobile home parked on the edge of
>> a swamp".
>>
>Blob and Squirty are losers who can't even afford to buy a mobile home.


Hey, come on, guys. I lived in a tralier when I was first married. <G>

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>
> There are no atheists.
>
> Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than what
> people say about him.
>
> Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the word
> atheist means.
>
> People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.

Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an atheist is:

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]

Emmett's last line is just for you !

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > oups.com...
> > >
> > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > >
> > > There are no atheists.
> > >
> > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> what
> > > people say about him.
> > >
> > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
> word
> > > atheist means.
> > >
> > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
> >
> >
> > In your case, that would be any words.
> >
> > Atheist - without a deity.
> >
> > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
>
> Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that word,
> deity.
>
> It encompasses more than you now realize.

...............so speaks the typical 'Brainwashed one'

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > oups.com...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > oups.com...
> > >
> > > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > >
> > > > > There are no atheists.
> > >
> > > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > > what
> > > > > people say about him.
> > >
> > > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
> the
> > > word
> > > > > atheist means.
> > >
> > > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> impressive.
> > >
> > > > In your case, that would be any words.
> > >
> > > > Atheist - without a deity.
> > >
> > > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
> > >
> > > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
> word,
> > > deity.
> > >
> > > It encompasses more than you now realize.
> >
> > You are an idiot. Don't you DARE tell us what we do or don't believe.
>
> No need to get your feathers all ruffled. I am only expanding your
> horizons, and taking away your fear of what you know may happen if God does
> turn out to in fact be real.

...............no fear of that my friend, you have been listening to too many
pastors.

If you and your dog get lost in a wilderness and die together you will both
decompose exactly the same way.



>
>
> >
> > I do not believe in any kind of god. I have never seen evidence of a
> > god. If you have evidence, present it.
> >
> > If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
> > anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
> > attention to you.
>
> God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in, like
> light,
> intelligence, compassion, and perfection.

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> ...
> > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
> > us up with this:
> >
> > >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in,
> > >> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> > >>
> > >> None of which are 'god'.
> > >
> > > Yes they are, and you know it.
> >
> > Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence of
> > "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including yours?
> >
> > We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
>
> Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
> believe in.

your invisible never to bee seen or heard of god is simply an invention of
stupid humans like yourself.

Grow up.

Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god list.........

Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
Ahura Mazda
Agrona [goddesss] Destroyer of life
Achall [goddess]Earth and Nature; unhappiness. Ireland
Achtan [goddess] Hunting and wild animals. Ireland
Allah
Adsullata [goddess]
Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Abalim[Judaic] Abba Amona[Judaic]
Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Aibell [goddess] Beauty; Arts; Magic
Aille [goddess]Justice. Ireland
Aige [goddess] Demi-animals
Aimend [goddess] Sun and Day. Ireland
Aine [goddess] Love and Sexuality
Ailinn [goddess] Love. Ireland
Aidin [goddess] [Aideen] Love and sexuality. Ireland
Aibheaog [goddess] Fire.
Airmed [goddess] Health and healing; Immortality Ireland
Aide [goddess] Water. Ireland - Wife of the Irish god Enna
Artio [goddess] Hunting and Wild Animals Switzerland
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic [goddess] Goodness. Ireland
Abaangui Guarani
Aba-khatun [goddess] Russia
Abaris Greek
Abas Greek
Abassi Nigeria/Africa
Abderus Greek
Abeguwo [goddess] Oceania
Abeona [goddess] Roman
Abere [goddess] Oceania
Ab Kin Xoc Maya
Abnoba [goddess] Celtic
Abraxas Roman
Abuk [goddess] Dinka/Africa
Abundantia [goddess] Roman
Acamas Greek
Acantha [goddess] Greek
Acat Maya
Acaviser [goddess] Roman
Acca [goddess] Roman
Acca Larentia [goddess] Roman
Achall [goddess] Irish
Achelois [goddess] Greek
Achelous Greek
Achilles Greek
Achtan [goddess] Irish
Achtland [goddess] Celtic
Acis Greek
Aclla [goddess] Inca
Acna [goddess] Maya/Mexico
Actaeon Greek
Adad Babylonian
Adamanthea [goddess] Greek
Adamisil Wedo [goddess] Haiti
Adapa Babylonian
Adaro Oceania
Adeona [goddess] Roman
Aditi [goddess] Asian
Adityas Asian
Admeta [goddess] Roman
Admete [goddess] Greek
Admetus Greek
Adonis Greek
Adrammelech Babylonia
Adrastus Greek
Adsagsona [goddess] Celtic
Adu Ogyinae Ashanti/Africa
Aeacus Greek
Aebh [goddess] Celtic
Aed Celtic
AŽdon [goddess] Greek
Aedos [goddess] Roman
Aega [goddess] Greek
Aegeria [goddess] Roman
Aegeus Greek
Aegina [goddess] Greek
Aegir Norse
Aegis Greek
Aegisthus Greek
Aegyptus Greek
Aello [goddess] Greek Amazon
Aeneas Greek
Aeneas Roman
Aeolus Greek
Aero [goddess] Greek
Aeron Celtic
Aerope [goddess] Greek
Aesculapius Asclepius Greek
Aesir Norse
°s S£dhe Celtic
Aestas [goddess] Roman
Aether Greek
Aethra [goddess] Greek
Aetna [goddess] Roman
Afekan [goddess] Oceania
Agaman Nibo [goddess] Haiti
Agamedes Greek
Agamemnon Greek
Agasaya [goddess] Semite
Agave [goddess] Greek
Agdos [goddess] Asia Minor
AgŽ Dahomey/Africa
Aglaia [goddess] Greek
Aglauros [goddess] Greek
Agni India
Agwe [goddess] Benin/Africa
Agwe [goddess] Haiti
Agweta [goddess] Haiti
Ahat [goddess] Egypt
Ahau


>
>
> >

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:
> >
> > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > >
> > > There are no atheists.
> >
> > That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.
>
> That's right.
> You say there is no God.
> I say there are no atheists.

When someone produces a god we atheists will all disappear in a puff
of smoke

Wanna have a try?


>
>
> Now we are even.

[Mark Earnest]

"bob young" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
bloodied
> > > us up with this:
> > >
> > > >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
in,
> > > >> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> > > >>
> > > >> None of which are 'god'.
> > > >
> > > > Yes they are, and you know it.
> > >
> > > Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
of
> > > "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
yours?
> > >
> > > We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > > We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > > We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > > Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
> >
> > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
> > believe in.
>
> your invisible never to bee seen or heard of god is simply an invention of
> stupid humans like yourself.

No, it is you who are an invention of God's imagination.

>
> Grow up.
>
> Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god
list.........
>
> Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
> Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
> Ahura Mazda

So what? Who cares?

[Mark Earnest]

"bob young" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > > >
> > > > There are no atheists.
> > > >
> > > > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > what
> > > > people say about him.
> > > >
> > > > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
the
> > word
> > > > atheist means.
> > > >
> > > > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
impressive.
> > >
> > >
> > > In your case, that would be any words.
> > >
> > > Atheist - without a deity.
> > >
> > > I don't believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist. Simple as that.
> >
> > Yes you do, you just don't know what you are saying when you use that
word,
> > deity.
> >
> > It encompasses more than you now realize.
>
> ..............so speaks the typical 'Brainwashed one'

Don't knock it. Your brain could use a good washing.

[Mark Earnest]

"bob young" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> > "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:
> > >
> > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > > > oups.com...
> > > >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > > >
> > > > There are no atheists.
> > >
> > > That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.
> >
> > That's right.
> > You say there is no God.
> > I say there are no atheists.
>
> When someone produces a god we atheists will all disappear in a puff
> of smoke


No one produces God. God produces you.

[Mark Earnest]

"bob young" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >
> > There are no atheists.
> >
> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
what
> > people say about him.
> >
> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
word
> > atheist means.
> >
> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>
> Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an atheist
is:
>
> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
> human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
> cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an old
> religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has
> been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
> simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
>
> Emmett's last line is just for you !

People try to define things, but they often don't succeed.
An atheist, rather, is one whom believes in what God is, rather than what
men say about him.
So there is no such thing as an atheist.

[Smiler]

"Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
...
>
> "bob young" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>
>> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >
>> > There are no atheists.
>> >
>> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> what
>> > people say about him.
>> >
>> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what the
> word
>> > atheist means.
>> >
>> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound impressive.
>>
>> Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an atheist
> is:
>>
>> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
>> is
>> human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
> mind
>> cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
> an old
>> religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
> never has
>> been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
>> simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
> madness."
>> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
>>
>> Emmett's last line is just for you !
>
> People try to define things, but they often don't succeed.
> An atheist, rather, is one whom believes in what God is, rather than what
> men say about him.
> So there is no such thing as an atheist.
>

So we're all figments of your imagination!
Why are you talking to people that don't exist, Mark?
More voices inside your head?
Get help now.

Smiler,
The godless one

[Mark Earnest]

"Smiler" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "bob young" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Earnest wrote:
> >>
> >> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> >> > oups.com...
> >> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> >> >
> >> > There are no atheists.
> >> >
> >> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > what
> >> > people say about him.
> >> >
> >> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
the
> > word
> >> > atheist means.
> >> >
> >> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
impressive.
> >>
> >> Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an atheist
> > is:
> >>
> >> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
> >> is
> >> human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
> > mind
> >> cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
> > an old
> >> religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
> > never has
> >> been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its
> >> simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
> > madness."
> >> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
> >>
> >> Emmett's last line is just for you !
> >
> > People try to define things, but they often don't succeed.
> > An atheist, rather, is one whom believes in what God is, rather than
what
> > men say about him.
> > So there is no such thing as an atheist.
> >
>
> So we're all figments of your imagination!
> Why are you talking to people that don't exist, Mark?
> More voices inside your head?
> Get help now.

The people here exist, but their atheism does not, so there are no atheists.

[Smiler]

"Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Smiler" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "bob young" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark Earnest wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>> >> > oups.com...
>> >> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
>> >> >
>> >> > There are no atheists.
>> >> >
>> >> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
>> > what
>> >> > people say about him.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
> the
>> > word
>> >> > atheist means.
>> >> >
>> >> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> impressive.
>> >>
>> >> Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an
>> >> atheist
>> > is:
>> >>
>> >> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
>> >> Atheism
>> >> is
>> >> human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
>> > mind
>> >> cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
> not
>> > an old
>> >> religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
>> > never has
>> >> been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
> its
>> >> simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
>> > madness."
>> >> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
>> >>
>> >> Emmett's last line is just for you !
>> >
>> > People try to define things, but they often don't succeed.
>> > An atheist, rather, is one whom believes in what God is, rather than
> what
>> > men say about him.
>> > So there is no such thing as an atheist.
>> >
>>
>> So we're all figments of your imagination!
>> Why are you talking to people that don't exist, Mark?
>> More voices inside your head?
>> Get help now.
>
> The people here exist, but their atheism does not, so there are no
> atheists.
>

How do you know what we believe or don't believe?
What psychological qualifications do you hold to be able to tell us what we
believe?
I'm sorry if your mindset doesn't allow for reality, but that is what we
are....atheists.

Now go away and talk to your invisible non-existent friend and leave us
alone.

Smiler,
The godless one

[Uncle Vic]

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
us up with this:

>> Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god
> list.........
>>
>> Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
>> Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
>> Ahura Mazda
>
> So what? Who cares?
>

That's exactly how I feel about the one you keep pushing on us.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

[Darwin123]

On Jul 28, 5:00 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> "Conspiracy of Doves" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > "Lucifer" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com...
>
> > > > On Jul 28, 7:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" > wrote:
> > > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
>
> > If you want to redefine the word 'god' so that it no longer means
> > anything, then go right ahead. We are not obligated to pay any
> > attention to you.
>
> God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe in, like
> light,
> intelligence, compassion, and perfection.

Great sex, Star Trek reruns, comic books, the great high, the
great lows, mercy, justice, cruelty, revenge, chaos, order, ....

[Mark Earnest]

"Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" > bloodied
> us up with this:
>
> >> Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god
> > list.........
> >>
> >> Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
> >> Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
> >> Ahura Mazda
> >
> > So what? Who cares?
> >
>
> That's exactly how I feel about the one you keep pushing on us.

One? One what?

[Uncle Vic]

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
bloodied us up with this:

>
> "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
>> bloodied us up with this:
>>
>> >> Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god
>> > list.........
>> >>
>> >> Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
>> >> Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
>> >> Ahura Mazda
>> >
>> > So what? Who cares?
>> >
>>
>> That's exactly how I feel about the one you keep pushing on us.
>
> One? One what?
>
>
>

God damn, I can't remember either.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "bob young" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Mark Earnest wrote:
> >
> > > "Uncle Vic" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Mark Earnest" >
> bloodied
> > > > us up with this:
> > > >
> > > > >> > God is not redefined. He has always been things atheist believe
> in,
> > > > >> > like light, intelligence, compassion, and perfection.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> None of which are 'god'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes they are, and you know it.
> > > >
> > > > Why on earth would an atheist know that your references are evidence
> of
> > > > "god" when said atheist does not believe in *any* gods, including
> yours?
> > > >
> > > > We know what produces light, it is not supernatural.
> > > > We know what produces intelligence, it is not supernatural.
> > > > We know what produces compassion, it is not supernatural.
> > > > Perfection is a pipe dream of those who believe in the supernatural.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is not supernatural, but it is qualities of God, which atheists
> > > believe in.
> >
> > your invisible never to bee seen or heard of god is simply an invention of
> > stupid humans like yourself.
>
> No, it is you who are an invention of God's imagination.
>
> >
> > Grow up.
> >
> > Here - have a pray to some of the gods in section 'A' of my god
> list.........
> >
> > Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
> > Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
> > Ahura Mazda
>
> So what? Who cares?

Indeed - who cares, religion is a mental sickness,

so caring people 'care'

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "bob young" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Mark Earnest wrote:
> >
> > > "Mark K. Bilbo" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:55:46 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > > > > oups.com...
> > > > >> "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no atheists.
> > > >
> > > > That's right, nobody's here in alt.atheism. You can leave now.
> > >
> > > That's right.
> > > You say there is no God.
> > > I say there are no atheists.
> >
> > When someone produces a god we atheists will all disappear in a puff
> > of smoke
>
> No one produces God. God produces you.

More cop outs ?

[bob young]

Mark Earnest wrote:

> "Smiler" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Mark Earnest" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "bob young" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mark Earnest wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > "bobandcarole" > wrote in message
> > >> > oups.com...
> > >> > > "There are no atheists in foxholes"
> > >> >
> > >> > There are no atheists.
> > >> >
> > >> > Atheists believe in God, but just believe in what he is, rather than
> > > what
> > >> > people say about him.
> > >> >
> > >> > Some people call themselves atheists, but they don't even know what
> the
> > > word
> > >> > atheist means.
> > >> >
> > >> > People use words that they don't understand to try to sound
> impressive.
> > >>
> > >> Well this should impress you, as you are about to learn what an atheist
> > > is:
> > >>
> > >> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
> > >> is
> > >> human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
> > > mind
> > >> cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
> not
> > > an old
> > >> religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
> > > never has
> > >> been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
> its
> > >> simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
> > > madness."
> > >> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
> > >>
> > >> Emmett's last line is just for you !
> > >
> > > People try to define things, but they often don't succeed.
> > > An atheist, rather, is one whom believes in what God is, rather than
> what
> > > men say about him.
> > > So there is no such thing as an atheist.
> > >
> >
> > So we're all figments of your imagination!
> > Why are you talking to people that don't exist, Mark?
> > More voices inside your head?
> > Get help now.
>
> The people here exist, but their atheism does not, so there are no atheists.

that's the way you would love it to be, if you could,
we question your silly mythology and you don't like it

Get used to it, as long as there are weak folks grasping at imaginary gods
there will always be others that question their logic

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

[snips]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:47:42 -0500, Mark Earnest wrote:

>> There are no 'perfect virtues'
>
> Nothing makes sense unless it is perfect.

I have a mug of coffee here, but it's not perfect. Bugger, coffee makes
no sense!

I have a computer here, but it's not perfect. Damn, computers make no
sense.

I have a desk here, but it's not perfect. Crap, desks make no sense.

I have a chair here, but it's not perfect. Smeg, chairs make no sense.


Well, all that aside, I'm comfortable in my chair, at my desk, using my
computer to do my work while drinking my coffee.

You can worry about perfect; the rest of us are happy to deal with this
universe.