Re: Horror for our poor little Bristlenose

[Flash Wilson]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:17:45 +1000, Dave Ello
> wrote:
>I'm feeling sick as I type this. Perhaps someone could answer the
>question - how long will a mature and strong Bristlenose last attached to a
>damp rock at about 20 deg C out of the water?

Oh no :( Poor thing. Still, it looks like you've proved he can last 12 hours
(not to be funny, but if he's still alive then you've answered
your own question...)

I just got a Bristlenose and he's the cutest thing, very small though and
not making much inroads into my algae, but slowly we will get there. He's
king of hiding, it's very hard to find him, so don't blame yourself. At
least yours is alive. Lucky you found him.

I would just give him as much peace and quiet as possible, and keep an
eye that he doesn't develop any illness as a result of the stress.

Good luck.

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[Jim Brown]

Dave Ello > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm feeling sick as I type this. Perhaps someone could answer the
> question - how long will a mature and strong Bristlenose last attached to
a
> damp rock at about 20 deg C out of the water?
>
> Yesterday, the wife and I removed all rocks/vegetation from our 5' tank to
> catch some Crabros to take to the LFS - taking great care that none of our
> fish were in any of the rock cavities. We were unavoidably detained and
> didn't return home for about 12 hours. We replanted, put everything back
in
> the tank and sat back to check on our fish.
>
> Much searching and we couldn't find Bristle, realising that we'd forgotten
> to check for him in the tank after removing all the rocks/vegetation. All
> day we'd come to the tank and no sign. Eventually, I saw the end of his
(or
> her) tail in an obscure cavity in his fav. rock. I touched the tail and
it
> moved - much relief. Overnight and all day today Bristle remained in
> precisely the same spot so we elected to take the rock out and have a
check
> thinking he may have actually been out for 12 hours and needed some help
> (Bristle is very active in our tank).
>
> To our horror, he had wedged himself in an apparently impossible situation
> and I tried very gently to get him out - but backwards. We took the view
> that he would have been stuck there to his detriment and so after some
> coaxing - he struggled but we got him out. He floated to the bottom of
the
> tank and was obviously distressed and perhaps a little injured. Tomorrow
> we'll find out more and will keep you posted.
>
> - Firstly, is it at all likely that he was in the rock out of the water
for
> all that time and survived?
> - Secondly, he looked very tightly wedged in a very cramped spot as if
he'd
> been struggling in desperation. His natural grain made it appear that he
> had no chance to get out - the only way was backwards. Can they control
> their grain and move backwards in a tight spot?
> - Thirdly, what should we do to assist his recovery from obvious shock, a
> possible eternity out of water (12 hrs) and injury?
>
> I probably won't sleep much tonight and hope our little guy is OK. Any
> answers will be greatly received.
>
> Dave
>
>

There have been a few bushynose plecos get stuck in the plants and algae
when the pond gets emptied. They survived longer periods in hotter temp's
than you describe, possibly because of the moisture in the plants.
The wedged in could be as a result of a defence mechanism. The spiny parts
of the dorsal and pectoral fins would have extended so the fish couldn't be
pulled out by a predator. Once settled, they can relax and back out in most
situations.
Just observe the fish for possible damage. Their body armour protects them,
so the real concern will be a possible drying out and damage to the gills.
Good luck.

Jim

[NetMax]

"Dave Ello" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm feeling sick as I type this. Perhaps someone could answer the
> question - how long will a mature and strong Bristlenose last attached
to a
> damp rock at about 20 deg C out of the water?

<snip>

> - Firstly, is it at all likely that he was in the rock out of the water
for
> all that time and survived?

Yes, AFAIK, Bristlenose plecs can process oxygen through their gut, so
they can go a long time out of water. Their plates (sides) also delay
harm from drying out. They do get very stiff but this alone is not
irreversable.

> - Secondly, he looked very tightly wedged in a very cramped spot as if
he'd
> been struggling in desperation. His natural grain made it appear that
he
> had no chance to get out - the only way was backwards. Can they
control
> their grain and move backwards in a tight spot?

When relaxed, they can usually wiggle out backwards, unless it was a very
tight fit to start with.

> - Thirdly, what should we do to assist his recovery from obvious shock,
a
> possible eternity out of water (12 hrs) and injury?

Keep the other fish from pestering him. Provide a dark shelter for his
convalesing. Watch for any onset of fungus, either on the eyes, or any
patches of skin which might have dried excessively. Be ready to treat
the fungus with a mild dosage (medicinal dosages are also stressful, and
we don't want to push him over the edge with good intentions). Keep the
tank well aerated with some flow directed towards the bottom (reduces the
work on his gills, and so he doesn't need to go to the surface for a gulp
of air as much). good luck!

NetMax

> I probably won't sleep much tonight and hope our little guy is OK. Any
> answers will be greatly received.
>
> Dave
>
>

[Dave Ello]

Hi folks,

This morning the little guy came out to wander the tank and settled on the
front glass. He's got a few marks on the belly region but otherwise seems
OK.

Many thanks to all who responded. Your advice has been very helpful and now
hopefully we're back on track with a happy Bristlenose.

Cheers,
Dave



"Dave Ello" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm feeling sick as I type this. Perhaps someone could answer the
> question - how long will a mature and strong Bristlenose last attached to
a
> damp rock at about 20 deg C out of the water?
>
> Yesterday, the wife and I removed all rocks/vegetation from our 5' tank to
> catch some Crabros to take to the LFS - taking great care that none of our
> fish were in any of the rock cavities. We were unavoidably detained and
> didn't return home for about 12 hours. We replanted, put everything back
in
> the tank and sat back to check on our fish.
>
> Much searching and we couldn't find Bristle, realising that we'd forgotten
> to check for him in the tank after removing all the rocks/vegetation. All
> day we'd come to the tank and no sign. Eventually, I saw the end of his
(or
> her) tail in an obscure cavity in his fav. rock. I touched the tail and
it
> moved - much relief. Overnight and all day today Bristle remained in
> precisely the same spot so we elected to take the rock out and have a
check
> thinking he may have actually been out for 12 hours and needed some help
> (Bristle is very active in our tank).
>
> To our horror, he had wedged himself in an apparently impossible situation
> and I tried very gently to get him out - but backwards. We took the view
> that he would have been stuck there to his detriment and so after some
> coaxing - he struggled but we got him out. He floated to the bottom of
the
> tank and was obviously distressed and perhaps a little injured. Tomorrow
> we'll find out more and will keep you posted.
>
> - Firstly, is it at all likely that he was in the rock out of the water
for
> all that time and survived?
> - Secondly, he looked very tightly wedged in a very cramped spot as if
he'd
> been struggling in desperation. His natural grain made it appear that he
> had no chance to get out - the only way was backwards. Can they control
> their grain and move backwards in a tight spot?
> - Thirdly, what should we do to assist his recovery from obvious shock, a
> possible eternity out of water (12 hrs) and injury?
>
> I probably won't sleep much tonight and hope our little guy is OK. Any
> answers will be greatly received.
>
> Dave
>
>

[Top_Bhoy]

"Dave Ello" > wrote in message
...
> Hi folks,
>
> This morning the little guy came out to wander the tank and settled on the
> front glass. He's got a few marks on the belly region but otherwise seems
> OK.
>
> Many thanks to all who responded. Your advice has been very helpful and
now
> hopefully we're back on track with a happy Bristlenose.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> >


Good news on your fish. Have you removed the rock it got wedged in - just in
avoid lightning striking twice.

Top_Bhoy