Sick Goldfish

[liltoodles18]

Hi there. I have a very sick goldfish on my hands and I'm not sure what I'm
doing to treat her is correct. A couple days ago I noticed she was kind of
just laying around her tank and then I noticed some white spots on the base
of her tail. I looked around online and found some information on Ich. I went
out and bought some QuICK Cure and put it in her tank right away. The next
day, she didn't look any better, her tail was starting to fray with brown
spots where the white ones were & white spots on her back. I drove into
PetSmart and told them my dilemma. They advised me to get a bigger tank (my
fish is 2 inches long), conditioning salt to add to her water, and some
medicine called LifeGuard, made by Jungle. They advised me to stop using
QuICK Cure, which I did, and start with this new medicine right away. I came
home, put in her medicine and added some salt to her water. That night, I
drove to PetCo to test my pH because I thought it was too low. Turned out,
the water was alright, but the guy I talked to advised me to get Stress Coat,
made by API, to add to her water to help repair her tail and skin damage. Now
today, she looks a lot worse, but some of the white spots have fell off and
the brown spots are completely gone. Her tail is still fraying and now she
has white spots all over her body and around her eyes, and now it looks sort
of like a white film? She isn't swimming around, just floating and breathing,
and won't eat because it's too hard for her to swim. If anyone could let me
know what I'm doing is correct or like to share some advice, I'd GLADLY
appreciate it soo much! I'm a wreck & I hate to see my fish be like this. :(
Thanks.

[TYNKS Headache]

On Sep 13, 5:00 pm, "liltoodles18" <u37418@uwe> wrote:
> Hi there. I have a very sick goldfish on my hands and I'm not sure what I'm
> doing to treat her is correct. A couple days ago I noticed she was kind of
> just laying around her tank and then I noticed some white spots on the base
> of her tail. I looked around online and found some information on Ich. I went
> out and bought some QuICK Cure and put it in her tank right away. The next
> day, she didn't look any better, her tail was starting to fray with brown
> spots where the white ones were & white spots on her back. I drove into
> PetSmart and told them my dilemma. They advised me to get a bigger tank (my
> fish is 2 inches long), conditioning salt to add to her water, and some
> medicine called LifeGuard, made by Jungle. They advised me to stop using
> QuICK Cure, which I did, and start with this new medicine right away. I came
> home, put in her medicine and added some salt to her water. That night, I
> drove to PetCo to test my pH because I thought it was too low. Turned out,
> the water was alright, but the guy I talked to advised me to get Stress Coat,
> made by API, to add to her water to help repair her tail and skin damage. Now
> today, she looks a lot worse, but some of the white spots have fell off and
> the brown spots are completely gone. Her tail is still fraying and now she
> has white spots all over her body and around her eyes, and now it looks sort
> of like a white film? She isn't swimming around, just floating and breathing,
> and won't eat because it's too hard for her to swim. If anyone could let me
> know what I'm doing is correct or like to share some advice, I'd GLADLY
> appreciate it soo much! I'm a wreck & I hate to see my fish be like this. :(
> Thanks.

Well first off how much money do you want to spend on gas and
unecessary supplies as well as wear and tear on a vehicle. Are yuo
capable of taking an insult without getting yur panties all wadded
up?
First off do not pay those assholes any attention in PETDUMB or
DEATHCO. You did not say how big the tank is that you have the fish
in, but if itsonly 2" for now even a gold fish bowl will suffice, but
to be honest, godies need a large tanka dn a larger yet filtration
system as compared to tropical fish. A goldie is not a tropical
fish.......Do a water change and keep doping a water change dialey of
at least 50% for now. Its going to be hard to do water changes and be
up on how much salt you have as well, but you need to take the salt
level up on the tank as well. Also if your gonna keep fish, at least
invest inthe proper test kits.................Look for some malachite
green / formalin mix. It sounds like the fish has a fungal infection
or rot. They also make a product sold by MARACYN (Blue and white
packages) in Petsdumb and Deathco.with a variety of meds to treat
various diseases. Do your self a favor. go to one of those stroes,
find a package of meds and open it up and pull out that little
information phamplet and give it a good going over and match yuor
symtoms to those listed. Maracyn products are relatively good and work
as advertised if you make the right diagnosis...........So what if
Petsmart associates get their panties in a wad because you opened up a
package.They are not sealed with a seal and yu did not openm up the
meds, your just reading the inclosed info phamplet......so no harm is
done. Don;t pay the Petsmart associates any attention and for now it
would be best to do a google search as there is a ton of info on
this,. Add salt and bring up salinity of tank, do major water changes
with dechorinated / water. No need to buy crap like quick cure or
Stress coat etc..............or a product called Mela Fix or Pima
fix......that is unless you like to throw money away........Really the
best solution with the most knowedge would be to pay http://www.koiphen.com
a visit. and sign up and join them, It only takes a minute and odds
are there is already info posted in the library sectin that will
address your situation. Except for one or two folks here allthe others
are just blowing smoke and do not have a clue. They think they do, but
they are out in left field when you compare what they nknow to what is
on the koiphen.com forum................Keeping fish without knowing
first hand what is involved and having the proper items on hand (test
kits etc) is like playing with a mad dog, sooner or later its gonna
bite you.
Spend some time readiing up on godfish etc in the various articles
online and in the koiphen foruom. Koiphen forum has vetrinarians that
specialize in fish care as well as some big names in fish kee[ping and
husbandry that are only too glad to help and provide the proper
information. Reel Mckoi is a very knowledgeable person when it
comes to fish.......but be leary of some like Dr. Solo as she uses
other fokls info and passes it on to appear like its form her.Her info
has gottenothers in to trouble big time since she is really
clueless..........

[Mel]

Poor water quality is almost certainly responsible for your fish's
condition. Have you tested for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? You dont say
how big your tank is but for one goldfish you should have at least a 9 or 10
gallon tank with good filtration. Unless you sort the water quality out no
amount of salt/medication is going to help the situation in the long term.
Mel.

"TYNKS Headache" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Sep 13, 5:00 pm, "liltoodles18" <u37418@uwe> wrote:
>> Hi there. I have a very sick goldfish on my hands and I'm not sure what
>> I'm
>> doing to treat her is correct. A couple days ago I noticed she was kind
>> of
>> just laying around her tank and then I noticed some white spots on the
>> base
>> of her tail. I looked around online and found some information on Ich. I
>> went
>> out and bought some QuICK Cure and put it in her tank right away. The
>> next
>> day, she didn't look any better, her tail was starting to fray with brown
>> spots where the white ones were & white spots on her back. I drove into
>> PetSmart and told them my dilemma. They advised me to get a bigger tank
>> (my
>> fish is 2 inches long), conditioning salt to add to her water, and some
>> medicine called LifeGuard, made by Jungle. They advised me to stop using
>> QuICK Cure, which I did, and start with this new medicine right away. I
>> came
>> home, put in her medicine and added some salt to her water. That night, I
>> drove to PetCo to test my pH because I thought it was too low. Turned
>> out,
>> the water was alright, but the guy I talked to advised me to get Stress
>> Coat,
>> made by API, to add to her water to help repair her tail and skin damage.
>> Now
>> today, she looks a lot worse, but some of the white spots have fell off
>> and
>> the brown spots are completely gone. Her tail is still fraying and now
>> she
>> has white spots all over her body and around her eyes, and now it looks
>> sort
>> of like a white film? She isn't swimming around, just floating and
>> breathing,
>> and won't eat because it's too hard for her to swim. If anyone could let
>> me
>> know what I'm doing is correct or like to share some advice, I'd GLADLY
>> appreciate it soo much! I'm a wreck & I hate to see my fish be like this.
>> :(
>> Thanks.
>
> Well first off how much money do you want to spend on gas and
> unecessary supplies as well as wear and tear on a vehicle. Are yuo
> capable of taking an insult without getting yur panties all wadded
> up?
> First off do not pay those assholes any attention in PETDUMB or
> DEATHCO. You did not say how big the tank is that you have the fish
> in, but if itsonly 2" for now even a gold fish bowl will suffice, but
> to be honest, godies need a large tanka dn a larger yet filtration
> system as compared to tropical fish. A goldie is not a tropical
> fish.......Do a water change and keep doping a water change dialey of
> at least 50% for now. Its going to be hard to do water changes and be
> up on how much salt you have as well, but you need to take the salt
> level up on the tank as well. Also if your gonna keep fish, at least
> invest inthe proper test kits.................Look for some malachite
> green / formalin mix. It sounds like the fish has a fungal infection
> or rot. They also make a product sold by MARACYN (Blue and white
> packages) in Petsdumb and Deathco.with a variety of meds to treat
> various diseases. Do your self a favor. go to one of those stroes,
> find a package of meds and open it up and pull out that little
> information phamplet and give it a good going over and match yuor
> symtoms to those listed. Maracyn products are relatively good and work
> as advertised if you make the right diagnosis...........So what if
> Petsmart associates get their panties in a wad because you opened up a
> package.They are not sealed with a seal and yu did not openm up the
> meds, your just reading the inclosed info phamplet......so no harm is
> done. Don;t pay the Petsmart associates any attention and for now it
> would be best to do a google search as there is a ton of info on
> this,. Add salt and bring up salinity of tank, do major water changes
> with dechorinated / water. No need to buy crap like quick cure or
> Stress coat etc..............or a product called Mela Fix or Pima
> fix......that is unless you like to throw money away........Really the
> best solution with the most knowedge would be to pay
> http://www.koiphen.com
> a visit. and sign up and join them, It only takes a minute and odds
> are there is already info posted in the library sectin that will
> address your situation. Except for one or two folks here allthe others
> are just blowing smoke and do not have a clue. They think they do, but
> they are out in left field when you compare what they nknow to what is
> on the koiphen.com forum................Keeping fish without knowing
> first hand what is involved and having the proper items on hand (test
> kits etc) is like playing with a mad dog, sooner or later its gonna
> bite you.
> Spend some time readiing up on godfish etc in the various articles
> online and in the koiphen foruom. Koiphen forum has vetrinarians that
> specialize in fish care as well as some big names in fish kee[ping and
> husbandry that are only too glad to help and provide the proper
> information. Reel Mckoi is a very knowledgeable person when it
> comes to fish.......but be leary of some like Dr. Solo as she uses
> other fokls info and passes it on to appear like its form her.Her info
> has gottenothers in to trouble big time since she is really
> clueless..........
>

[TYNKS Headache]

On Sep 14, 1:39 pm, Tynk > wrote:
> On Sep 13, 5:00?pm, "liltoodles18" <u37418@uwe> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi there. I have a very sick goldfish on my hands and I'm not sure what I'm
> > doing to treat her is correct. A couple days ago I noticed she was kind of
> > just laying around her tank and then I noticed some white spots on the base
> > of her tail. I looked around online and found some information on Ich. I went
> > out and bought some QuICK Cure and put it in her tank right away. The next
> > day, she didn't look any better, her tail was starting to fray with brown
> > spots where the white ones were & white spots on her back. I drove into
> > PetSmart and told them my dilemma. They advised me to get a bigger tank (my
> > fish is 2 inches long), conditioning salt to add to her water, and some
> > medicine called LifeGuard, made by Jungle. They advised me to stop using
> > QuICK Cure, which I did, and start with this new medicine right away. I came
> > home, put in her medicine and added some salt to her water. That night, I
> > drove to PetCo to test my pH because I thought it was too low. Turned out,
> > the water was alright, but the guy I talked to advised me to get Stress Coat,
> > made by API, to add to her water to help repair her tail and skin damage. Now
> > today, she looks a lot worse, but some of the white spots have fell off and
> > the brown spots are completely gone. Her tail is still fraying and now she
> > has white spots all over her body and around her eyes, and now it looks sort
> > of like a white film? She isn't swimming around, just floating and breathing,
> > and won't eat because it's too hard for her to swim. If anyone could let me
> > know what I'm doing is correct or like to share some advice, I'd GLADLY
> > appreciate it soo much! I'm a wreck & I hate to see my fish be like this. :(
> > Thanks.
>
> What are the ingredients in the new med you were told use (LifeGuard)?
> What you've described sounds to me like your goldie has Ich as well as
> a secondary bacterial infection. This can happen when a fish is
> fighting off parasites.
> Personally, I find Quick Cure to be a great parasitic medication.
> However, what you need to do is find out what antibacterial med can be
> used with it.
> Unfortunately, I don't know this.
> What size tank is the fish in now?
> How long has it been set up and running (with fish)?
> Water change schedule..how much and how often?
> Type of filtration?
> Carbon in or out of filtration system?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Go **** yourself you clueless moron. We do not need any transexuals in
this group. TYNK the chick with a dick..............Whats a matter
yuor wife or would that be husband run your looney ass off TYNK.
Perhaps if you stopped trying to be a chick with a dick which none of
us really want to know about and go back home and take care opf your
kids like a good parent, you would be more readily accepted in these
groups.....But no you like to drag your kinky and sexual crap into all
the groups you play in yuo ****tard..........

[Zebulon Whateley]

"TYNKS Headache" > wrote in message
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> > Go **** yourself you clueless moron. We do not need any transexuals in
> this group. TYNK the chick with a dick..............Whats a matter
> yuor wife or would that be husband run your looney ass off TYNK.
> Perhaps if you stopped trying to be a chick with a dick which none of
> us really want to know about and go back home and take care opf your
> kids like a good parent, you would be more readily accepted in these
> groups.....But no you like to drag your kinky and sexual crap into all
> the groups you play in yuo ****tard..........
>

report the scumbag that calls itself "TYNKS Headache", just as I am about
to do.

decent usenet users should not have to read rubbish like this from complete
& utter
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him & close his account. don't forget to copy/paste all the details along
with the
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Forward the WHOLE of this e-mail to the more
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From: TYNKS Headache >
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[TYNKS Headache]

On Sep 14, 3:11 pm, "Zebulon Whateley" > wrote:
> "TYNKS Headache" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > > Go **** yourself you clueless moron. We do not need any transexuals in
> > this group. TYNK the chick with a dick..............Whats a matter
> > yuor wife or would that be husband run your looney ass off TYNK.
> > Perhaps if you stopped trying to be a chick with a dick which none of
> > us really want to know about and go back home and take care opf your
> > kids like a good parent, you would be more readily accepted in these
> > groups.....But no you like to drag your kinky and sexual crap into all
> > the groups you play in yuo ****tard..........
>
> report the scumbag that calls itself "TYNKS Headache", just as I am about
> to do.
>
> decent usenet users should not have to read rubbish like this from complete
> & utter
> morons. left - click on any of *TYNKS Headache's" posts' headers & then
> select properties ... details. it makes it easier for this clown's e-mail
> server to trace
> him & close his account. don't forget to copy/paste all the details along
> with the
> abusive post
>
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Google accounts for usenets are like 1 inutes worth of time to make
and plus they are considered disposbale. Made exactly for assholes
like you to play netkop with.................I could care less and
would be back online before yu coujld do a copy paste and send off
another abuse. ****tard!

[Zebulon Whateley]

"TYNKS Headache" > wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 3:11 pm, "Zebulon Whateley" > wrote:
>
Google accounts for usenets are like 1 inutes worth of time to make
and plus they are considered disposbale. Made exactly for assholes
like you to play netkop with.................I could care less and
would be back online before yu coujld do a copy paste and send off
another abuse. ****tard!

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[liltoodles18 via PetKB.com]

Thanks for your help everyone but I'm sorry to say that my goldfish didn't
make it. What she had started like Ich but kept getting worse and worse:
white stuff all over, tail rot, clamping, then swim bladder. I started
realizing that it was a bacterial thing, but it was too late. It's probably
for the better, she was suffering so much and that broke my heart. She's in a
better place now.

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http://www.petkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/goldfish/200709/1

[TYNKS Headache]

On Sep 14, 8:19 pm, "liltoodles18 via PetKB.com" <u37418@uwe> wrote:
> Thanks for your help everyone but I'm sorry to say that my goldfish didn't
> make it. What she had started like Ich but kept getting worse and worse:
> white stuff all over, tail rot, clamping, then swim bladder. I started
> realizing that it was a bacterial thing, but it was too late. It's probably
> for the better, she was suffering so much and that broke my heart. She's in a
> better place now.
>
> --
> Message posted via PetKB.comhttp://www.petkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/goldfish/200709/1

Yep out of the hands of a bubbling idiot...........at least it was not
in the hands of a imbecile like Zebulon Whateley.......who is overly
impressed his fish is smarter than he is...........I seen roadkill
oppossums that were smarter than Zebulon. NOw go buy a pet rock or
chia pet.

[Zebulon Whateley]

"TYNKS Headache" > wrote in message
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> snipped the masturbator's useless ****ty text>


The unemployable, jobless prick "Tristie" ( *TYNKS Headache*) lives off OUR
taxes .

Do not feed this homosexual troll.

Hopefully, soon, the police will find the Pakistani pimp that imported
Tristie & it's scumbag family .. & deport the wasting ****s.

[[email protected]]

what Mel said was correct. the minute you notice a fish acting weird
or listless you need to check the water parameters and start doing
water changes and add a bit of salt, typically 1 teaspoon per 5
gallons. brown spots where the white ones were sounds a lot like
ammonia burn. you now have added too many things to the tank and it
has probably become a toxic brew.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/care/care1.htm#essentials
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/

the white film is her slime coat getting really thick due to toxic
water and/or parasites. GF can typically go a few weeks without food,
so dont be overly concerned.

If she is still alive, I would do a 39 second salt dip on her
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#SALT%20DIPS
and then right into fresh water and do the tub to tub method with her.
Ingrid

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:00:13 GMT, "liltoodles18" <u37418@uwe> wrote:
>Hi there. I have a very sick goldfish on my hands and I'm not sure what I'm
>doing to treat her is correct. A couple days ago I noticed she was kind of
>just laying around her tank and then I noticed some white spots on the base
>of her tail. I looked around online and found some information on Ich. I went
>out and bought some QuICK Cure and put it in her tank right away. The next
>day, she didn't look any better, her tail was starting to fray with brown
>spots where the white ones were & white spots on her back. I drove into
>PetSmart and told them my dilemma. They advised me to get a bigger tank (my
>fish is 2 inches long), conditioning salt to add to her water, and some
>medicine called LifeGuard, made by Jungle. They advised me to stop using
>QuICK Cure, which I did, and start with this new medicine right away. I came
>home, put in her medicine and added some salt to her water. That night, I
>drove to PetCo to test my pH because I thought it was too low. Turned out,
>the water was alright, but the guy I talked to advised me to get Stress Coat,
>made by API, to add to her water to help repair her tail and skin damage. Now
>today, she looks a lot worse, but some of the white spots have fell off and
>the brown spots are completely gone. Her tail is still fraying and now she
>has white spots all over her body and around her eyes, and now it looks sort
>of like a white film? She isn't swimming around, just floating and breathing,
>and won't eat because it's too hard for her to swim. If anyone could let me
>know what I'm doing is correct or like to share some advice, I'd GLADLY
>appreciate it soo much! I'm a wreck & I hate to see my fish be like this. :(
>Thanks.

[liltoodles18 via PetKB.com]

how is the tub to tub method done? I've never heard of it.

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:29:25 GMT, "liltoodles18 via PetKB.com"
<u37418@uwe> wrote:

>how is the tub to tub method done? I've never heard of it.